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Title: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: krook on February 07, 2013, 07:28:56 AM
Since Heat Acquired Ray Allen
They Have More Floor Spacing
D-wade And Lebron

if you put a zone defense on them
it will be hard for them to attack the basket
force lebron and wade hits mid-shots (jumpshots)
and hope they misses

we also got superior bench productions so its not really a problem for us

The Heat lose their composure when teams go to a zone defense
if you remember the dallas mavericks
chandler waiting for lebron and wade to attack
while noviztki pushes haslem outside
while marion forces lebron to hit jumpshots as green did
Mavericks flustered the Heat
you know chandler is a rebounder, bosh is soft 6'11 while tyson is a defensive player 7'1

all heat players are perimeter shooters, they got a better floor spacing, while lebron wade bosh can attack the basket for good

zone defense, The zone defense allows players to remain more or less in position, this makes the heat more harder to spread the floor

They have lethal perimeter shooters in James Jones, Dwyane Wade and Norris Cole Ray Allen Mike Miller Shane Battier

if kg can go back to pf and put him on haslem and battier,
and lets go for a big guy quick or not, just to out-rebound bosh in terms of height, i think we have a chance
we also need an offensive firepower

if miami heat misses a shot force it into a quick play and transition baskets
if we have a big guy, let him shoot inside and force a foul on him....

we also need some mental toughness
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: slamtheking on February 07, 2013, 07:53:21 AM
how to beat the heat? easy.  have more points at the end of the game  ::)
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: krook on February 07, 2013, 07:54:05 AM
how to beat the heat? easy.  have more points at the end of the game  ::)

have more points at the end of the game?
hahaha
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 07, 2013, 08:04:16 AM
bring back our Hero Ronnnnnnnndooooooo.
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: Roy H. on February 07, 2013, 08:05:09 AM
Kneecap Lebron?
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 07, 2013, 08:06:21 AM
We already beat the Heat, didnt you watch and take notes?
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: krook on February 07, 2013, 08:11:32 AM
We already beat the Heat, didnt you watch and take notes?

celtics with rondo?
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: Roy H. on February 07, 2013, 08:13:48 AM
We already beat the Heat, didnt you watch and take notes?

celtics with rondo?

The Heat game was the first one Rondo missed with his ACL injury. 
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: Fafnir on February 07, 2013, 08:18:31 AM
You need two wing defenders who can be respectable against LeBron, great team defense, and you have to win 2 or 3 other positional battles as you're not winning SF/PF against LeBron.

Its hard, but the C's are decently equipped for it with their full roster. Without Rondo  :(. Spurs/OKC can I believe, other than that? I have a tough time seeing it.
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: scaryjerry on February 07, 2013, 08:24:19 AM
Play better

no secret weapon or reinventing the wheel
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: alajet on February 07, 2013, 08:37:27 AM
We can defeat the Heat even without Rondo. We matchup well with their roster.
But that's not happening in a best-of-seven series. Though, I didn't see it happen even if Rondo was present. Still, it's a pity, because Green's presence would definitely be a big boost for our side against LeBron.

Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 07, 2013, 08:57:03 AM
Maintain integrity of the perimeter and make them shoot jumpshots is a big key, control the defensive boards so they can't break.   Force them to play hero ball.
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: krook on February 07, 2013, 08:58:10 AM
We can defeat the Heat even without Rondo. We matchup well with their roster.
But that's not happening in a best-of-seven series. Though, I didn't see it happen even if Rondo was present. Still, it's a pity, because Green's presence would definitely be a big boost for our side against LeBron.

adding a big man who gets 7 rebounds and 1 or 2 or 3 or 0 blocks, maybe some defense.... if we have really no choice on bigs? will that somehow help

then used a zoned defense?
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: wdleehi on February 07, 2013, 09:09:58 AM
I think have good talented big men and try to force the Heat away from small ball. 


The Heat is loaded in terms of swing stoppers.


I think they are much more limited in trying to stop low post threats.
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: krook on February 07, 2013, 10:37:51 AM
I think have good talented big men and try to force the Heat away from small ball. 


The Heat is loaded in terms of swing stoppers.


I think they are much more limited in trying to stop low post threats.

we kill them via big man....
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: Who on February 07, 2013, 11:45:18 AM
I think a zone defense will be useful against Miami again now that they have gone back to Udonis Haslem as a starter instead of Battier.

Haslem's jump-shooting has been dreadful this year. He is not even making one jumper a night. Providing Miami with no floor spacing. Effectively Joel Anthony offensively.

With that bigger lineup (Haslem, C.Andersen or J.Anthony + Bosh) and two slashers in LeBron + Wade on the wing, it is difficult for Miami to get enough three point shot making on the floor to beat the zone.
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: manl_lui on February 07, 2013, 11:49:50 AM
I think a zone defense will be useful against Miami again now that they have gone back to Udonis Haslem as a starter instead of Battier.

Haslem's jump-shooting has been dreadful this year. He is not even making one jumper a night. Providing Miami with no floor spacing. Effectively Joel Anthony offensively.

With that bigger lineup (Haslem, C.Andersen or J.Anthony + Bosh) and two slashers in LeBron + Wade on the wing, it is difficult for Miami to get enough three point shot making on the floor to beat the zone.

this and having both Lee and Bradley take their turn harassing Wade...

Green surprisingly is doing a good job on Lebron, so I guess another combo of Green and Pierce...cuz Pierce can guard Lebron rather well in the post...

other than that, we need our bench players to step up big time against their bench. Make big shots when it matters most...

which is why I am not a big fan of blowing it up or trading KG or Pierce...

i honestly still think we have a chance to win!
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: LooseCannon on February 07, 2013, 12:05:21 PM
One trend in games where the Celtics beat the Heat is Wade generally has a poor offensive game, making a low percentage of shots from the field while getting to the line fewer times than usual.
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 07, 2013, 12:07:31 PM
One trend in games where the Celtics beat the Heat is Wade generally has a poor offensive game, making a low percentage of shots from the field while getting to the line fewer times than usual.

Another trend I notice is that Wade and James start to settle for the outside and fade away jumpers. Fine by me...Terrible move by them.
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: Who on February 07, 2013, 12:12:49 PM
One trend in games where the Celtics beat the Heat is Wade generally has a poor offensive game, making a low percentage of shots from the field while getting to the line fewer times than usual.
Yeah, I think stopping Wade is key to beating Miami.

I am happy enough to let LeBron do his thing and live with whatever damage he creates.

Miami doesn't utilize Bosh well offensively and their role players are mostly limited creators. So if Wade doesn't have it going, they often become too one-dimensional (LeBron) offensively and vulnerable.
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 07, 2013, 12:16:18 PM
One trend in games where the Celtics beat the Heat is Wade generally has a poor offensive game, making a low percentage of shots from the field while getting to the line fewer times than usual.
Yeah, I think stopping Wade is key to beating Miami.

I am happy enough to let LeBron do his thing and live with whatever damage he creates.

Miami doesn't utilize Bosh well offensively and their role players are mostly limited creators. So if Wade doesn't have it going, they often become too one-dimensional (LeBron) offensively and vulnerable.

It's part of the reason why I'm concerned with Doc current guard rotation, having Lee and Bradley as starters severely limits the time they can spend guarding Wade, and to some extent Ray Allen.
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: Kane3387 on February 07, 2013, 12:21:58 PM
Kneecap Lebron?

Pretty much.

The only way to beat Miami is for LeBron to be hurt. The guy is at the peak of his powers and if he is playing at 100% then only OKC has a chance b/c they have a similar talent.

Just think how wide open the East would be if LeBron was somehow unable to play in the playoffs.
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: krook on February 07, 2013, 02:25:16 PM
Kneecap Lebron?

Pretty much.

The only way to beat Miami is for LeBron to be hurt. The guy is at the peak of his powers and if he is playing at 100% then only OKC has a chance b/c they have a similar talent.

Just think how wide open the East would be if LeBron was somehow unable to play in the playoffs.

hire someone then released, haha lol
Title: Re: How To Beat The Miami Heat?
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on February 07, 2013, 05:11:14 PM
I think have good talented big men and try to force the Heat away from small ball. 


The Heat is loaded in terms of swing stoppers.


I think they are much more limited in trying to stop low post threats.
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yep and it was that way last year also. small ball is their game. beat them with bigs down low, pound them into submission.