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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Tr1boy on February 06, 2013, 11:40:41 PM
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We are in dire need of a pf/c. When kg is sitting down in a game or may need a game or two off due to maintenance/injury, who is going to step in on both ends of the court?? If we had sully i don't think the issue is as worrisome.
We need to think big this season with kg and pp's career's winding down. Fab Melo might turn out to be the next Deandre Jordan, or maybe a dud but nothing will result anytime soon. I think the intrigue for him is there, bc of his ability to block shots
The list of guys that can fit our need are:
- Okafor and 2nd for (1st, Melo, Bass and Lee)
= Former top pick is still at an ok age, and better not being the go to guy. He is pretty athletic, strong and would be more than a decent pickup. Bc he is only signed for another year worth about 13 million, its not like he will mess up our cap for the long run. Who knows, maybe we want to keep him after anyways. Wizards are done and need prepare for the draft again. As for the loss of Bass , Green can easily take his min and as for Lee, Barbosa can step in. We would definitely need to make some other pickups. For example Shelvin Mack, is a pretty good defensive guard down at the nbdl
- Dalembert for Lee ( Dalmbert had a huge 35 point night the other day. Bucks might just keep him)
We could use him badly. Could of had him cheaper , if danny made a move sooner. Again fits the description for the rest of this year
- Byron Mullens for (1st, Melo)
I think his time with the bobcats is coming to an end. It just hasn't worked out. He is still cheap to keep for another year so thats why it might take a little more than usual to snatch him away. He definitely has the talent and size. High risk, high reward possibility. Worse case, he will be able to fill in for a resting kg and get you 10 points and 7 rebounds consistently.
- JJ Hickson for (2nd , Melo , Bass or Lee)
Worried about his attitude and being fully focused about playing team ball since he will be a FA next year. He has really come around and is a tough inside player that can also dunk with authority coming from the key. Has the foot speed to play help defense. Would likely just be a 1 year rental so its a risk to give up so much to get him.
Worse case have to pickup somebody cheap list:
- Mozgov
- Aaron Gray or Haddadi
but these guys will turn out to be like Collins. Just not enough speed/skill to play an important role in the lineup.
Also i didn't include Gortat in this list bc rumor is he wants out due to not getting enough touches. If this rumor is true, he has no place in our lineup.
any other realistic suggestions?
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Got to make sure you match salaries.
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Nothing we couldn't get after the waiver period for the vet min.
Melo has zero trade value on his own. Our pick probably doesn't have much either.
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Got to make sure you match salaries.
Yup the salaries match or are very close.
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Nothing we couldn't get after the waiver period for the vet min.
Melo has zero trade value on his own. Our pick probably doesn't have much either.
Our pick does have value by the 21st of Feb. Likely we won't keep winning and lose a few here and there and still be the 7th or 8th seed. Thats lottery zone. Plus the Rondo effect, some teams think we might not even make the playoffs.
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Melo is OUR project.!!
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Nothing we couldn't get after the waiver period for the vet min.
Melo has zero trade value on his own. Our pick probably doesn't have much either.
Our pick does have value by the 21st of Feb. Likely we won't keep winning and lose a few here and there and still be the 7th or 8th seed. Thats lottery zone. Plus the Rondo effect, some teams think we might not even make the playoffs.
The chances of the Celtics missing the playoffs are very slim. The Eastern Conference is weak, and if we were trading for a player expected to help our playoff push, most any team would definitely assume we would.
Also, this years draft is projected to be very weak. A non-lottery pick in a weak draft has very little value.
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Worse case have to pickup somebody cheap list:
- Mozgov
- Aaron Gray or Haddadi
but these guys will turn out to be like Collins. Just not enough speed/skill to play an important role in the lineup.
Also i didn't include Gortat in this list bc rumor is he wants out due to not getting enough touches. If this rumor is true, he has no place in our lineup.
any other realistic suggestions?
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i don't think so
mozgov can get 7 rebounds per game
and 11+ points per game
mozgov is better than collins
aaron gray 3.4 PPG and 3.5 RPG
haddadi is a bench player to me
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Worse case have to pickup somebody cheap list:
- Mozgov
- Aaron Gray or Haddadi
but these guys will turn out to be like Collins. Just not enough speed/skill to play an important role in the lineup.
Also i didn't include Gortat in this list bc rumor is he wants out due to not getting enough touches. If this rumor is true, he has no place in our lineup.
any other realistic suggestions?
i don't think so
mozgov can get 7 rebounds per game
and 11+ points per game
mozgov is better than collins
aaron gray 3.4 PPG and 3.5 RPG
haddadi is a bench player to me
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You have to realize that nobody knows if mozgov can do 10pts , 7rb on a consistent basis. I mean Wilcox can also do and has a few times done 10pts , 7 rbs. Right now we need proven more than the unknown.
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Nothing we couldn't get after the waiver period for the vet min.
Melo has zero trade value on his own. Our pick probably doesn't have much either.
Our pick does have value by the 21st of Feb. Likely we won't keep winning and lose a few here and there and still be the 7th or 8th seed. Thats lottery zone. Plus the Rondo effect, some teams think we might not even make the playoffs.
The chances of the Celtics missing the playoffs are very slim. The Eastern Conference is weak, and if we were trading for a player expected to help our playoff push, most any team would definitely assume we would.
Also, this years draft is projected to be very weak. A non-lottery pick in a weak draft has very little value.
You have a point about getting better thus picks get worse. But I disagree this is a weak draft. There are some big talents all the way to the end of lotto. Also what will the wiz do with okafor? The team can't win with him. Imo my proposal can entice the wiz.
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Nothing. You will get only a peanuts for an unproven, very raw project. How about letting him develop and have a good looks so Danny can sell him high?
People on this board are really short-sighted...
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No interest in B.Mullens. Minimal interest in JJ Hickson. I wouldn't give up anything of value for Hickson. I don't want to take on Okafor's contract with Rondo out injured.
Dalembert works for me.
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Worse case have to pickup somebody cheap list:
- Mozgov
- Aaron Gray or Haddadi
but these guys will turn out to be like Collins. Just not enough speed/skill to play an important role in the lineup.
Also i didn't include Gortat in this list bc rumor is he wants out due to not getting enough touches. If this rumor is true, he has no place in our lineup.
any other realistic suggestions?
i don't think so
mozgov can get 7 rebounds per game
and 11+ points per game
mozgov is better than collins
aaron gray 3.4 PPG and 3.5 RPG
haddadi is a bench player to me
You have to realize that nobody knows if mozgov can do 10pts , 7rb on a consistent basis. I mean Wilcox can also do and has a few times done 10pts , 7 rbs. Right now we need proven more than the unknown.
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that is the most cheapest and can play 20+ minutes than collins,
don't everybody wants kg to rest for a couple of minutes
i think mozgov still got it
because of koufos and mcgee
he ain't got any playing time
thats a good big rotation for next year
when kg and sully are in PF, sully and kg minutes are balanced
while we got ODEN MOZGOV WILCOX etc; or even collins and melo, depends,
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cheap and capable are two words that are like oil and water in this case.
I just want someone to clog the middle.
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cheap and capable are two words that are like oil and water in this case.
I just want someone to clog the middle.
did you think mozgov can't do it?
i think he really can,
can kenyon martin clog the middle?
maybe birdman is better than him at this moment
i don't think fysynko can, 5 rebounds a game?
dalembert on the list is ok, but will danny ainge give him the max contract?
straight trade for bass?
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they can't clog the basket, but they can protect the basket
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Mozgov is a center, so Garnett would be at the 4. Mozgov is a good positional defender. He can make defenses change up their shots, and he can clog the middle better than Dalembert. But like said, Dalembert is quicker off his feet and a better shot blocker.
Mozgov is slow. Dalembert can run the floor better, block shots, and has better range.
Dalembert had 8 pts. 11 rebs. 4 blks. and 5 stls. today. He is consistent with his rebounding and shot blocking. That's why I think he is the more suitable player for the Celtics.
but would you give them lee? picks? bass? terry? by breaking the 4 sg rotation?
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but we have to think does bucks really needs a PF bass?
giving us dalembert give us more chance on winning,
would bucks want to help us?
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but we have to think does bucks really needs a PF bass?
giving us dalembert give us more chance on winning,
would bucks want to help us?
Bucks can use another sg. Giving lee works, if they like him. Btw sell high for Melo? When will the time for that arrive? We need to make moves to get another shot at the title b4 kg and pp are retired or whatever. Time is now. Imo a recent 1st round pick that broke the single game nbdl blocks record is going warrant some interest
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Joel Pryz. Don't worry, he'll soon enough become a future HOF when KG talks him into it
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Also i didn't include Gortat in this list bc rumor is he wants out due to not getting enough touches. If this rumor is true, he has no place in our lineup.
any other realistic suggestions?
Gortat (will cost more) and Dalembert are my choices.
Gortat wants more touches on THAT team because it is a team bereft of talent and he deserves them. He's always done the "dirty work" and plays a team game.
I doubt very much if we were lucky enough to get Gortat that he would have a problem with not getting his touches here, given our talent and skilled players vs, the Suns.
He'll know his role and buy into it.
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In my opinion our best bet would be to pick up a guy on a couple 10day contracts like Hassan Whiteside or some other D-League guy and wait for buyouts after the trading deadline.
I like Whiteside because he is efficient, blocks shots, and his per 48 rebounding stats are a gaudy 25. What we need is a guy to come in an give rebounding and a live body for 5 minutes at a time, maybe twice a game. That isn't a lot to ask.
He hasn't been playing much however which makes me wonder if he has an attitude, injury, or someone is trying to hide him so another team doesn't poach him.
Check out his numbers from Dec and early Jan when he was getting double digit minutes every night. He was super efficient which might have all been dunks for all I know. There are a lot of 8-11 ish type games in there.
Jan 07 @ LAD W 127 - 104 20 8-11 0-0 3-5 5 12 17 0 1 5 1 2 19
Jan 04 @ AUS W 118 - 108 6 1-1 0-0 1-2 1 1 2 0 0 2 0 0 3
Jan 01 @ SCW L 93 - 109 10 0-1 0-0 0-0 1 2 3 0 1 0 0 0 0
Date Opponent Result min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a off def reb ast stl blk to pf pts
Dec 29 vs. MNE W 101 - 87 17 5-6 0-0 2-4 2 4 6 1 0 2 1 3 12
Dec 28 vs. MNE L 94 - 106 19 1-2 0-0 5-6 1 8 9 1 0 1 1 3 7
Dec 25 vs. IWA L 80 - 102 23 8-11 0-0 1-2 4 11 15 0 2 3 3 2 17
Dec 21 @ TEX L 102 - 104 11 2-5 0-0 3-4 4 4 8 0 0 1 2 4 7
Dec 15 vs. AUS L 102 - 111 17 7-9 0-0 1-4 0 3 3 0 1 0 0 0 15
Dec 14 vs. AUS W 115 - 105 18 5-8 0-0 4-5 6 4 10 0 1 3 3 1 14
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- JJ Hickson for (2nd , Melo , Bass or Lee)
Let me get this straight, you want to ship out a second-round pick, a project with zero trade value, and a rotation role-player for a starting big man who is averaging 13 an 11?
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any other realistic suggestions?
What do you mean, "other"?! ;D
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The only trades you do now are for the future, no way in hell Danny pulls a trade to make this years team better.
On top of that no one wants are junk, KG is are best trade chip, PP with his flat no lift jump shot is losing value daily.
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The only trades you do now are for the future, no way in hell Danny pulls a trade to make this years team better.
On top of that no one wants are junk, KG is are best trade chip, PP with his flat no lift jump shot is losing value daily.
Yep. Just small pickups.
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I think based on where we are - it makes a lot more sense to see how Fab Melo plays out as opposed to moving him for a career journeyman who isn't likely to affect our final outcome
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but we have to think does bucks really needs a PF bass?
giving us dalembert give us more chance on winning,
would bucks want to help us?
Bucks can use another sg. Giving lee works, if they like him. Btw sell high for Melo? When will the time for that arrive? We need to make moves to get another shot at the title b4 kg and pp are retired or whatever. Time is now. Imo a recent 1st round pick that broke the single game nbdl blocks record is going warrant some interest
you will give lee for dalembert?
really?
did you see lee played tonight?
then we sign old veteran players?
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but we have to think does bucks really needs a PF bass?
giving us dalembert give us more chance on winning,
would bucks want to help us?
Bucks can use another sg. Giving lee works, if they like him. Btw sell high for Melo? When will the time for that arrive? We need to make moves to get another shot at the title b4 kg and pp are retired or whatever. Time is now. Imo a recent 1st round pick that broke the single game nbdl blocks record is going warrant some interest
you will give lee for dalembert?
really?
did you see lee played tonight?
then we sign old veteran players?
If we're talking about recent performances - did you see Dalembert's 35 and 12 game two nights ago?
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With the good play of barbosa recently, we can afford to lose lee. I like lee and he is a strong defender, but shaky on offense. I rather have dalembert, start barb with ab and get another guard who can defend cheap like a shelvin Mack. Much easier to find these kind of guys than say a decent pf/c
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Shelvin Mack profile
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/shelvin-mack
don't expect much for offense. Hasn't had much chance to play. Good nbdl stats. Its the defense energy we could really use off the bench if we lose lee
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I think based on where we are - it makes a lot more sense to see how Fab Melo plays out as opposed to moving him for a career journeyman who isn't likely to affect our final outcome
+1
If he's a prospect in a bigger deal (to dump salary or acquire talent), go for it. But moving him for immediate help would be futile.
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I think based on where we are - it makes a lot more sense to see how Fab Melo plays out as opposed to moving him for a career journeyman who isn't likely to affect our final outcome
+1
If he's a prospect in a bigger deal (to dump salary or acquire talent), go for it. But moving him for immediate help would be futile.
yah
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Did anybody say "none" yet?
There are no capable pf/c's available for just Melo and a 1st.
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Probably nobody.