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Title: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: crownontherocks on February 05, 2013, 06:27:47 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/21651933/video-paul-pierce-takes-fab-melo-to-school

Celtics rookie Feb Melo was working on his post moves at the end of practice, and you'll see future-Hall-of-Fame legend Paul Pierce notice him
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: manl_lui on February 05, 2013, 06:41:16 PM
love it, love how the captain is teaching the rookie how its done!

Fab Melo needs to be more aggressive if he's going to help us anytime soon...

this isn't the D-League...he needs to be mean!
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 05, 2013, 06:56:35 PM
He is what he is, but his hands are poor and he is weak.   PP was pushing him around from what I saw, he is raw.  Everytime they made contact Melo went backwards.  He has improved since we got him but he needs a lot more work on his hands and strength.   Both things that can be fixed with time.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: Surferdad on February 05, 2013, 06:58:16 PM
Great stuff. So the rook gets stuffed on his first try, but then sinks a nice jump hook over the vet on the second try.  Fast learner!

Why is Paul wearing Blazers shorts?  lol
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: manl_lui on February 05, 2013, 06:58:54 PM
He is what he is, but his hands are poor and he is weak.   PP was pushing him around from what I saw, he is raw.  Everytime they made contact Melo went backwards.  He has improved since we got him but he needs a lot more work on his hands and strength.   Both things that can be fixed with time.

yeh I saw more or less the same thing...doesn't Fab have a good 5 inches and a good 40 pounds on Pierce??

you can't let Pierce push you around like that...this guy needs a speed course with KG

I can see him as a good help defender like Ibaka and DeAndre Jordan but I cannot see him as a good post defender like Perk was...well at least not yet...
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: timobusa on February 05, 2013, 07:02:44 PM
He is what he is, but his hands are poor and he is weak.   PP was pushing him around from what I saw, he is raw.  Everytime they made contact Melo went backwards.  He has improved since we got him but he needs a lot more work on his hands and strength.   Both things that can be fixed with time.

yeh I saw more or less the same thing...doesn't Fab have a good 5 inches and a good 40 pounds on Pierce??

you can't let Pierce push you around like that...this guy needs a speed course with KG

I can see him as a good help defender like Ibaka and DeAndre Jordan but I cannot see him as a good post defender like Perk was...well at least not yet...

Pretty sure he is stronger than what this video has shown, You can't rough up PP, he's the man. Can't go hard on him, But PP is still PP, he has a really good post up game for his size, so crafty.

Hope Fab gets a mean streak like Green has found in the last couple of games.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: perks-a-beast on February 05, 2013, 07:19:08 PM
Pierce is still stupid good.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: ScottHow on February 05, 2013, 07:21:19 PM
Cool video. I'd love to sit in for a full practice, all that behind the scene stuff is awesome.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: scaryjerry on February 05, 2013, 07:54:27 PM
Pierce is still stupid good.

Yup but the video didn't do a whole lot to show it off
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 05, 2013, 07:56:30 PM
I have always heard PP was really strong for his size.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 05, 2013, 07:56:47 PM
TP.  !         enjoyed the video.    got a huge laugh


Pierce. hacking Fab....... ;D
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: CelticG1 on February 05, 2013, 08:00:14 PM
Pierce is the man

As for Fab i dont think he was trying to get too physical with the face of the franchise for the past 15 years in little joking around basketball sequence.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: BlountTrauma30 on February 05, 2013, 08:05:37 PM
Why is Paul wearing Blazers shorts?  lol

He probably got them last year or maybe in 2005, just in case...
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: scaryjerry on February 05, 2013, 08:07:36 PM
I have always heard PP was really strong for his size.

Well he's 6'7 ... I guess by nba standards that's normal but in reality yes he's very big and strong and uses his body well
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: timobusa on February 05, 2013, 08:24:57 PM
I have always heard PP was really strong for his size.

Well he's 6'7 ... I guess by nba standards that's normal but in reality yes he's very big and strong and uses his body well

Yeah, PP is tall and has a wide body. He uses it to its full capacity. PP is a Legend
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: Snakehead on February 05, 2013, 08:31:44 PM
He is what he is, but his hands are poor and he is weak.   PP was pushing him around from what I saw, he is raw.  Everytime they made contact Melo went backwards.  He has improved since we got him but he needs a lot more work on his hands and strength.   Both things that can be fixed with time.

It's a skill to learn how to work against pressure and how to protect the ball, and size doesn't make you not have to know how to do those two things.

He has to learn.

Big men just don't learn low post offense like they once did.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: tonyto3690 on February 05, 2013, 08:34:07 PM
It's not like they were going hard.  I'm sure if Melo wasn't going against the face of the franchise and it was a shootaround he could have stuffed Pierce.  He has like 50 pounds and 4 inches on him. 

What I think it does a good job of showing is the value of having veterans around like Pierce and KG so they can help the younger guys along and also keep the egos in check to make sure they realize they haven't made it.  They can always get better.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: LooseCannon on February 05, 2013, 08:34:22 PM
Well, there is a reason I have suggested that Paul Pierce might make a better smallball 4 than Jeff Green.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: nox45 on February 05, 2013, 08:49:31 PM
pp is wearing the shorts thta oden gave as a gift when GO visited waltham ;D
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on February 05, 2013, 08:53:19 PM
KG is in the background working hard on his craft. Love it
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: bfrombleacher on February 05, 2013, 09:04:00 PM
KG is in the background working hard on his craft. Love it

So was Jason Collins, our secret weapon

Cannot believe some people got "Melo is weak" out of this video. Like some have already pointed out, it's practice against a teammate who is a lot smaller. You really want Pierce injured?

Nice to see that the vets are taking Melo under their wing. Melo has a good work ethic from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: OsirusCeltics on February 05, 2013, 10:05:53 PM
I have always heard PP was really strong for his size.

Well he's 6'7 ... I guess by nba standards that's normal but in reality yes he's very big and strong and uses his body well

Yeah, PP is tall and has a wide body. He uses it to its full capacity. PP is a Legend

Most talented versatile scorer ever IMO
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: Celtics18 on February 05, 2013, 10:49:29 PM
There are two of these threads going.  Shouldn't they be combined?
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 05, 2013, 11:06:59 PM
I have always heard PP was really strong for his size.

Well he's 6'7 ... I guess by nba standards that's normal but in reality yes he's very big and strong and uses his body well

Yeah, PP is tall and has a wide body. He uses it to its full capacity. PP is a Legend

Most talented versatile scorer ever IMO

EVER? O_o
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 05, 2013, 11:15:45 PM
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It's a skill to learn how to work against pressure and how to protect the ball, and size doesn't make you not have to know how to do those two things.

He has to learn.

Big men just don't learn low post offense like they once did.

He only benched 185 nine times in the combo so he is weak by NBA standards.   I think him getting pushed around was about his lack of leg strength. PP got low and use a low center of gravity.  One has to realize that Melo is a neophyte at basketball. 

That being said he looks stronger than he did when he first got drafted.  It may take a year or two to get NBA strong.

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Well he's 6'7 ... I guess by nba standards that's normal but in reality yes he's very big and strong and uses his body well

I've have seen 6'7 guys who are weak and not strong like say Reggie Miller.   Height does give leverage but not always strength.    I am over 6'7" so PP is not a big man to me.  I am probably 1-2" taller than that depending on shoes but I am 6'7" in bare feet.   It took some lifting and hard work to get stronger but it's not automatic ability of size. 

Melo will get there, just takes some time, he is young.   A twenty year old is not a full grown man at peak strength.   PP could guard LeBron straight up and that is no small feat.  That alone ought to show his strength.   I have seen him back down Carmelo too, who is bigger.  Give him a few years and look out he will be a wall down low.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 05, 2013, 11:29:25 PM
I like that Fab doesnt back down after he gets bumped out of position. I thinkn its just basketball instincts. Still need to add more strength in the leg I think, but I like how he doesnt shy away from contacylt.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: Edgar on February 05, 2013, 11:31:29 PM
I have always heard PP was really strong for his size.

Well he's 6'7 ... I guess by nba standards that's normal but in reality yes he's very big and strong and uses his body well

Yeah, PP is tall and has a wide body. He uses it to its full capacity. PP is a Legend

PP i one of the best ive ever saw in his prime
as clutch as anyone

Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: ItStaysYang on February 06, 2013, 12:00:12 AM
He is what he is, but his hands are poor and he is weak.   PP was pushing him around from what I saw, he is raw.  Everytime they made contact Melo went backwards.  He has improved since we got him but he needs a lot more work on his hands and strength.   Both things that can be fixed with time.

haha spot on analysis of a lazy post-practice set. Go away
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: bfrombleacher on February 06, 2013, 12:06:32 AM
He only benched 185 nine times in the combo so he is weak by NBA standards. 

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/nba-draft-combine-results/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jared-Sullinger-5029/

Apparently Sully did 9 bench presses too.

https://twitter.com/GoldandBlackcom/status/27402324906

Plus Jajuan Johnson bench pressed 325 pounds.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: crownontherocks on February 06, 2013, 01:38:36 AM
There are two of these threads going.  Shouldn't they be combined?

Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: j804 on February 06, 2013, 03:49:41 AM
even just messing around Paul makes it look so easy
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: OsirusCeltics on February 06, 2013, 04:06:13 AM
I have always heard PP was really strong for his size.

Well he's 6'7 ... I guess by nba standards that's normal but in reality yes he's very big and strong and uses his body well

Yeah, PP is tall and has a wide body. He uses it to its full capacity. PP is a Legend

Most talented versatile scorer ever IMO

EVER? O_o

Not the best, didn't say that

But deff the most talented and versatile. Scoring for him is easy. He has infinite amounts of spots on the floor that he can score. Can't say that for alot of players
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: jdz101 on February 06, 2013, 05:39:12 AM
I love that people on here actually tried to take something serious from a 1 minute video of those two dudes messing around.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: j804 on February 06, 2013, 05:47:21 AM
I love that people on here actually tried to take something serious from a 1 minute video of those two dudes messing around.
typical overreacting on Celtics Blog lol
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: TripleOT on February 06, 2013, 09:25:41 AM
There are some things one can get out of these "messing around" videos in practice. I remember seeing Perk in training camp in his second year playing Pierce one and one and I was surprised at how well he moved his feet and guarded the talented SF.

Pierce got his shot off at will, but Perk was on his shooting hand and in decent position most of the time. Perkins also showed more handle with the ball than I thought he had.  Very surprising. 

This Melo video tells me that he plays "too high."  He's got to lower his center of gravity a bit both on offense and defense.  I'm guessing he doesn't have enough core strength yet.   
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: CelticG1 on February 06, 2013, 09:38:04 AM
I love that people on here actually tried to take something serious from a 1 minute video of those two dudes messing around.
typical overreacting on Celtics Blog lol

Ha yeah I can't tell if people are saying things tongue in cheek or if they are serious with their analysis.

If you read it as tongue in cheek they are pretty awesome posts.
Title: Re: Video: Paul Pierce takes Fab Melo to school
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 06, 2013, 09:55:36 AM
I can't resist joining the over-analysis.

Melo didn't look like he was playing very hard (not that he usually does).

He also appears to be drilling baby hooks to the right. Pierce knew where he was going and just took the opportunity to point out that he wasn't protecting the ball. There's a  guy at my gym who is much older and smarter than I am who does the same thing to me, even though I manage to be a pretty effective post player in our games.

Of course Pierce schooled him one-on-one. Melo has literally never stood in front of someone who can score as easily as many ways as Pierce. It wouldn't matter if he was ten feet tall.