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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: kozlodoev on February 05, 2013, 12:23:40 PM
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This time for calling a ref "eff-ing female". This is rapidly descending into the comic relief category.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/demarcus-cousins-ejected-calling-ref-effing-female-kings-152341393--nba.html
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If they hadn't changed the rules he'd be rivaling Sheed's record soon at this rate.
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trade for him when his value is low Danny! ;)
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I like him more and more every day.
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trade for him when his value is low Danny! ;)
Thinking the same thing!
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yup ...I like him too , he has spirt . Alot of his whining and antics is because he is such a competitor on the court.
he is so immature , and really raw in many ways........if he could only find coach he would respect. Being on the Kings was such a waste of talent and time.
with the right team mates and coaches I still think there is a star waiting
still hope DA. goes after him
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I think that was sarcasm that you guys missed. I went through that phase of wanting him, but I honestly don't know if we could handle him. He's just too wild and reckless.
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Either, Garnett would whip him into shape, or he'd be out of Boston within 2 seasons. I'd take the risk, but meh.
It's pointless to have a star player if he chooses to not stay on the court at times.
Cousins would have to be a leader-type in order to be the star of a team, but that doesn't look like it's happening anytime soon.
At least Rasheed just spoke his mind, he didn't get all those t's just for the sake of being a punk (mostly).
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Either, Garnett would whip him into shape, or he'd be out of Boston within 2 seasons. I'd take the risk, but meh.
It's pointless to have a star player if he chooses to not stay on the court at times.
Cousins would have to be a leader-type in order to be the star of a team, but that doesn't look like it's happening anytime soon.
At least Rasheed just spoke his mind, he didn't get all those t's just for the sake of being a punk (mostly).
I'm sure Cousins was also speaking his mind when he told the ref he doesn't have to be a you-know-what.
The talent is undeniable. However, I don't think any serious team can afford the distraction that comes with it.
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I'm not even sure he is that talented. Once you dig down into his numbers a little but he looks much less attractive. I think we should stay the heck away from him..
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I'm not even sure he is that talented. Once you dig down into his numbers a little but he looks much less attractive. I think we should stay the heck away from him..
Don't get too lost in the numbers that you ignore his skillset. Cousins does things that no other center in this league can do.
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I'll take him.
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I would just like to say, if the C's were (god forbid) in one of their "90's- early 2000's" type phases, I would TOOOTALLY take this dude, solely for entertainment, unrelated to winning games.
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I'm not even sure he is that talented. Once you dig down into his numbers a little but he looks much less attractive. I think we should stay the heck away from him..
Don't get too lost in the numbers that you ignore his skillset. Cousins does things that no other center in this league can do.
I agree that he is talented but I think people really overglorify him. I mean 17 and 10 per game is good but he is shooting .446% for a center and averages 3 turnovers pergame. He takes 14 shots in 31 minutes... On the KINGS! I feel that any halfway decent player should be able to put up big numbers on the kings. I mean if Jeff Green was on the Kings he might be an MVP candidate this year.
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I'm not even sure he is that talented. Once you dig down into his numbers a little but he looks much less attractive. I think we should stay the heck away from him..
Don't get too lost in the numbers that you ignore his skillset. Cousins does things that no other center in this league can do.
I agree that he is talented but I think people really overglorify him. I mean 17 and 10 per game is good but he is shooting .446% for a center and averages 3 turnovers pergame. He takes 14 shots in 31 minutes... On the KINGS! I feel that any halfway decent player should be able to put up big numbers on the kings. I mean if Jeff Green was on the Kings he might be an MVP candidate this year.
He's a jump-shooting big who takes way too many jump-shots, given his ability to convert them.
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I'm not even sure he is that talented. Once you dig down into his numbers a little but he looks much less attractive. I think we should stay the heck away from him..
Don't get too lost in the numbers that you ignore his skillset. Cousins does things that no other center in this league can do.
I agree that he is talented but I think people really overglorify him. I mean 17 and 10 per game is good but he is shooting .446% for a center and averages 3 turnovers pergame. He takes 14 shots in 31 minutes... On the KINGS! I feel that any halfway decent player should be able to put up big numbers on the kings. I mean if Jeff Green was on the Kings he might be an MVP candidate this year.
He's 22 years old and being asked to be The Man.
I think being on the Kings hurts his numbers more than it helps. He has to force a ton of shots, leading to TO's and a low FG%, because a bad Cousins shot is a better option for that team than a decent shot from some of their other players. He has to deal with double and sometimes triple-teams.
On a team like the Celtics, he wouldn't be asked to do this stuff. The ppg wouldn't increase, but his efficiency numbers would jump way up.
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This guy could easily end up going down as one the great wastes of talent in NBA history.
Just too many red flags and those stories usually don't end well.
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Gotta love when the rondo detractors drool over the punk that is demarcus cousins, Josh Smith etc
Pick a lane....these guys are everything you claim rondo is and worse...wouldn't surprise me if demarcus never played for a winner, yet so many dying to get him and be the 06 Celtics again
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This guy could easily end up going down as one the great wastes of talent in NBA history.
Just too many red flags and those stories usually don't end well.
The NBA's Benoit Pouliat haha
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This guy could easily end up going down as one the great wastes of talent in NBA history.
Just too many red flags and those stories usually don't end well.
The NBA's Benoit Pouliat haha
I was thinking Jamarcus Russell but Cousins has already illustrated much more at the professional level than Russell ever did.
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Gotta love when the rondo detractors drool over the punk that is demarcus cousins, Josh Smith etc
Pick a lane
The so-called "Rondo detractors" are mostly concerned with (a) Rondo's ability to be the best player on a contending team, and (b) the talent that he could bring in a trade.
I thought everyone did this. But apparently some people's thought process on this is limited to "OMGITSRONDODUH".
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I would still trade Rondo for Cousins and Evans.
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This guy could easily end up going down as one the great wastes of talent in NBA history.
Just too many red flags and those stories usually don't end well.
The NBA's Benoit Pouliat haha
I was thinking Jamarcus Russell but Cousins has already illustrated much more at the professional level than Russell ever did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKaNL0zGTdM
I was going for that haha
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Gotta love when the rondo detractors drool over the punk that is demarcus cousins, Josh Smith etc
Pick a lane
The so-called "Rondo detractors" are mostly concerned with (a) Rondo's ability to be the best player on a contending team, and (b) the talent that he could bring in a trade.
I thought everyone did this. But apparently some people's thought process on this is limited to "OMGITSRONDODUH".
As I said in my edited post..I think demarcus is a loser who will turn us into the kings or the 06 Celtics..I find it funny he's given a pass by the same Celtics fans that hate rondo yet have seen his competitive spirit and will in the playoffs... what good is demarcus or Josh Smith as your best player without rondo? They get you nowhere rondo couldn't
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I would still trade Rondo for Cousins and Evans.
And watch us transform into the 06 Celtics! Al Jefferson and telfair all over again
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I would still trade Rondo for Cousins and Evans.
And watch us transform into the 06 Celtics! Al Jefferson and telfair all over again
right? sad that seemingly half our fanbase wants 06 all over again, are openly aksing Danny to tank...
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Gotta love when the rondo detractors drool over the punk that is demarcus cousins, Josh Smith etc
Pick a lane
The so-called "Rondo detractors" are mostly concerned with (a) Rondo's ability to be the best player on a contending team, and (b) the talent that he could bring in a trade.
I thought everyone did this. But apparently some people's thought process on this is limited to "OMGITSRONDODUH".
As I said in my edited post..I think demarcus is a loser who will turn us into the kings or the 06 Celtics..I find it funny he's given a pass by the same Celtics fans that hate rondo yet have seen his competitive spirit and will in the playoffs... what good is demarcus or Josh Smith as your best player without rondo? They get you nowhere rondo couldn't
Not sure what your point is -- I am not interested in building a team with Cousins or Smith as the best player, and don't see what this has to do with trading Rondo.
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Gotta love when the rondo detractors drool over the punk that is demarcus cousins, Josh Smith etc
Pick a lane
The so-called "Rondo detractors" are mostly concerned with (a) Rondo's ability to be the best player on a contending team, and (b) the talent that he could bring in a trade.
I thought everyone did this. But apparently some people's thought process on this is limited to "OMGITSRONDODUH".
As I said in my edited post..I think demarcus is a loser who will turn us into the kings or the 06 Celtics..I find it funny he's given a pass by the same Celtics fans that hate rondo yet have seen his competitive spirit and will in the playoffs... what good is demarcus or Josh Smith as your best player without rondo? They get you nowhere rondo couldn't
Not sure what your point is -- I am not interested in building a team with Cousins or Smith as the best player, and don't see what this has to do with trading Rondo.
What other trades involving rondo were thrown out there before his injury this season? I'm noticing the biggest rondo detractors are also fans of getting cousins/Smith and giving cousins pathetic behavior excuse riddled passes while they're known for crushing rondo for being "immature" (both OSirusceltics and shaqattack want rondo traded..but both want cousins)
The irony is amusing to me..if you're telling me we could trade rajon for Russell Westbrook then I'm listening
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Gotta love when the rondo detractors drool over the punk that is demarcus cousins, Josh Smith etc
Pick a lane
The so-called "Rondo detractors" are mostly concerned with (a) Rondo's ability to be the best player on a contending team, and (b) the talent that he could bring in a trade.
I thought everyone did this. But apparently some people's thought process on this is limited to "OMGITSRONDODUH".
As I said in my edited post..I think demarcus is a loser who will turn us into the kings or the 06 Celtics..I find it funny he's given a pass by the same Celtics fans that hate rondo yet have seen his competitive spirit and will in the playoffs... what good is demarcus or Josh Smith as your best player without rondo? They get you nowhere rondo couldn't
Not sure what your point is -- I am not interested in building a team with Cousins or Smith as the best player, and don't see what this has to do with trading Rondo.
What other trades involving rondo were thrown out there before his injury this season? I'm noticing the biggest rondo detractors are also fans of getting cousins/Smith and giving cousins pathetic behavior excuse riddled passes while they're known for crushing rondo for being "immature"
The irony is amusing to me..if you're telling me we could trade rajon for Russell Westbrook then I'm listening
Maybe you should notice better and generalize less. Though this will most certainly make you less amused.
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Gotta love when the rondo detractors drool over the punk that is demarcus cousins, Josh Smith etc
Pick a lane
The so-called "Rondo detractors" are mostly concerned with (a) Rondo's ability to be the best player on a contending team, and (b) the talent that he could bring in a trade.
I thought everyone did this. But apparently some people's thought process on this is limited to "OMGITSRONDODUH".
As I said in my edited post..I think demarcus is a loser who will turn us into the kings or the 06 Celtics..I find it funny he's given a pass by the same Celtics fans that hate rondo yet have seen his competitive spirit and will in the playoffs... what good is demarcus or Josh Smith as your best player without rondo? They get you nowhere rondo couldn't
Not sure what your point is -- I am not interested in building a team with Cousins or Smith as the best player, and don't see what this has to do with trading Rondo.
What other trades involving rondo were thrown out there before his injury this season? I'm noticing the biggest rondo detractors are also fans of getting cousins/Smith and giving cousins pathetic behavior excuse riddled passes while they're known for crushing rondo for being "immature"
The irony is amusing to me..if you're telling me we could trade rajon for Russell Westbrook then I'm listening
Maybe you should notice better and generalize less. Though this will most certainly make you less amused.
Wasn't speaking on your or everyone's behalf...just a few recognized posters defending cousins that I know are fans of trading rondo
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I would still trade Rondo for Cousins and Evans.
And watch us transform into the 06 Celtics! Al Jefferson and telfair all over again
right? sad that seemingly half our fanbase wants 06 all over again, are openly aksing Danny to tank...
Telfair isn't even close to Tyreke..
And that team didn't have veterans like the present Paul Pierce, KG, and Jason Terry.
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Sully/Melo/Collins.....
"Make 'em an offer they can't refuse"
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I would still trade Rondo for Cousins and Evans.
And watch us transform into the 06 Celtics! Al Jefferson and telfair all over again
This is why alot of people want Cousins. Rondo and Cousin's attitude/tantrums are equal. Cousins is obviously the more talented one. Don't want to put the words in anyone's mouth. But people are thinking, if both players are hot-heads, why not get more talented one?
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I would still trade Rondo for Cousins and Evans.
And watch us transform into the 06 Celtics! Al Jefferson and telfair all over again
This is why alot of people want Cousins. Rondo and Cousin's attitude/tantrums are equal. Cousins is obviously the more talented one. Don't want to put the words in anyone's mouth. But people are thinking, if both players are hot-heads, why not get more talented one?
I think I disagree, item by item, with absolutely everything you just said.
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Ashylarry,
Were you talking about Rondo not staying on the floor and in games??:-)))))
Smitty77
P.S. Certainly could apply to him as well!!!!
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I would still trade Rondo for Cousins and Evans.
And watch us transform into the 06 Celtics! Al Jefferson and telfair all over again
This is why alot of people want Cousins. Rondo and Cousin's attitude/tantrums are equal. Cousins is obviously the more talented one. Don't want to put the words in anyone's mouth. But people are thinking, if both players are hot-heads, why not get more talented one?
I don't think their attitudes/tantrums are equal at all. I question Cousins' attitude & work ethic a lot more than Rondo's. We have a pretty good read on Rondo & his track record. I still think the jury is out on Cousins. He's a much bigger question mark in my eyes.
I'm also not sure who has the higher ceiling. I lean towards Cousins but its awfully tough given one is a guard while the other, a big.
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I don't think their attitudes/tantrums are equal at all. I question Cousins' attitude & work ethic a lot more than Rondo's. We have a pretty good read on Rondo & his track record. I still think the jury is out on Cousins. He's a much bigger question mark in my eyes.
I'm also not sure who has the higher ceiling. I lean towards Cousins but its awfully tough given one is a guard while the other, a big.
I'd say Rondo's ceiling is best PG in the league. He can pass Chris Paul with dedication on defense, a commitment to keeping the ball moving and improvement at the line (the last of which I honestly feel would open a whole new world for him anyway).
Cousins' ceiling, in my opinion, is that of the second-best center in the league. Dwight Howard, assuming he gets healthy (I think he's still only at about 75%), is going to be the best for some time. Cousins is already more skilled and is a better FT shooter than Howard will ever be, but he can't match the sheer physical dominance and huge defensive impact that a healthy Howard provides.
I don't really question Cousins' work ethic, but his attitude and maturity issues could keep him from ever becoming an All-Star (which, for his size and talent, should be a given). He needs to start respecting somebody or he'll be a bust.
I think KG and Doc could get through to him a lot more than the Sacramento environment can, so I'd be willing to take the chance. For Rondo? No. But for anything else, yes.
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I would still trade Rondo for Cousins and Evans.
And watch us transform into the 06 Celtics! Al Jefferson and telfair all over again
This is why alot of people want Cousins. Rondo and Cousin's attitude/tantrums are equal. Cousins is obviously the more talented one. Don't want to put the words in anyone's mouth. But people are thinking, if both players are hot-heads, why not get more talented one?
I don't think their attitudes/tantrums are equal at all. I question Cousins' attitude & work ethic a lot more than Rondo's. We have a pretty good read on Rondo & his track record. I still think the jury is out on Cousins. He's a much bigger question mark in my eyes.
I'm also not sure who has the higher ceiling. I lean towards Cousins but its awfully tough given one is a guard while the other, a big.
Cousins is more combustible in my opinion. I wasn't saying do the trade because of Rondo's personality at all. I think Rondo would be more volatile on a different team without KG and Doc and even Paul.
As a result I think Cousins would be better served around them as well.
But Tyreke and Cousins are two potential All-Star caliber players on rookie deals for one All-Star player who just tore his ACL...
To me it's a risk, but when all is said and done I think it is worth taking. The talent coming back is, IMO, better then the talent going out.
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I don't think their attitudes/tantrums are equal at all. I question Cousins' attitude & work ethic a lot more than Rondo's. We have a pretty good read on Rondo & his track record. I still think the jury is out on Cousins. He's a much bigger question mark in my eyes.
I'm also not sure who has the higher ceiling. I lean towards Cousins but its awfully tough given one is a guard while the other, a big.
I'd say Rondo's ceiling is best PG in the league. He can pass Chris Paul with dedication on defense, a commitment to keeping the ball moving and improvement at the line (the last of which I honestly feel would open a whole new world for him anyway).
Cousins' ceiling, in my opinion, is that of the second-best center in the league. Dwight Howard, assuming he gets healthy (I think he's still only at about 75%), is going to be the best for some time. Cousins is already more skilled and is a better FT shooter than Howard will ever be, but he can't match the sheer physical dominance and huge defensive impact that a healthy Howard provides.
I don't really question Cousins' work ethic, but his attitude and maturity issues could keep him from ever becoming an All-Star (which, for his size and talent, should be a given). He needs to start respecting somebody or he'll be a bust.
I think KG and Doc could get through to him a lot more than the Sacramento environment can, so I'd be willing to take the chance. For Rondo? No. But for anything else, yes.
I think most every GM takes second best center in the league over best PG in the league. You can find a solid PG anywhere but finding a great big is extremely difficult.
You're probably thinking, "would the Clippers do a DH for CP3 deal" the answer is probably no, that is b/c they already have Blake and Jordan... they have a good all around team, they needed the best PG . Now, if this is the draft and it was CP3 or Dwight then everyone takes DH.
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I don't think their attitudes/tantrums are equal at all. I question Cousins' attitude & work ethic a lot more than Rondo's. We have a pretty good read on Rondo & his track record. I still think the jury is out on Cousins. He's a much bigger question mark in my eyes.
I'm also not sure who has the higher ceiling. I lean towards Cousins but its awfully tough given one is a guard while the other, a big.
I'd say Rondo's ceiling is best PG in the league. He can pass Chris Paul with dedication on defense, a commitment to keeping the ball moving and improvement at the line (the last of which I honestly feel would open a whole new world for him anyway).
Cousins' ceiling, in my opinion, is that of the second-best center in the league. Dwight Howard, assuming he gets healthy (I think he's still only at about 75%), is going to be the best for some time. Cousins is already more skilled and is a better FT shooter than Howard will ever be, but he can't match the sheer physical dominance and huge defensive impact that a healthy Howard provides.
I don't really question Cousins' work ethic, but his attitude and maturity issues could keep him from ever becoming an All-Star (which, for his size and talent, should be a given). He needs to start respecting somebody or he'll be a bust.
I think KG and Doc could get through to him a lot more than the Sacramento environment can, so I'd be willing to take the chance. For Rondo? No. But for anything else, yes.
I think most every GM takes second best center in the league over best PG in the league. You can find a solid PG anywhere but finding a great big is extremely difficult.
You're probably thinking, "would the Clippers do a DH for CP3 deal" the answer is probably no, that is b/c they already have Blake and Jordan... they have a good all around team, they needed the best PG . Now, if this is the draft and it was CP3 or Dwight then everyone takes DH.
Oh, in a vaccum I'm taking the big every time. I just think this particular situation isn't a cut & dry thing where take the big if you can. I have my reservations on Cousins.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJQXPH75_kw
Keith Smart's look of despair
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I would still trade Rondo for Cousins and Evans.
And watch us transform into the 06 Celtics! Al Jefferson and telfair all over again
This is why alot of people want Cousins. Rondo and Cousin's attitude/tantrums are equal. Cousins is obviously the more talented one. Don't want to put the words in anyone's mouth. But people are thinking, if both players are hot-heads, why not get more talented one?
I don't think their attitudes/tantrums are equal at all. I question Cousins' attitude & work ethic a lot more than Rondo's. We have a pretty good read on Rondo & his track record. I still think the jury is out on Cousins. He's a much bigger question mark in my eyes.
I'm also not sure who has the higher ceiling. I lean towards Cousins but its awfully tough given one is a guard while the other, a big.
Cousins is more combustible in my opinion. I wasn't saying do the trade because of Rondo's personality at all. I think Rondo would be more volatile on a different team without KG and Doc and even Paul.
As a result I think Cousins would be better served around them as well.
But Tyreke and Cousins are two potential All-Star caliber players on rookie deals for one All-Star player who just tore his ACL...
To me it's a risk, but when all is said and done I think it is worth taking. The talent coming back is, IMO, better then the talent going out.
I support this post . well done.
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Ashylarry,
Were you talking about Rondo not staying on the floor and in games??:-)))))
Smitty77
P.S. Certainly could apply to him as well!!!!
Haha this is true in a variety of ways. Rondo's a punk in his own sense, but Cousins is on a Sheed-esque level.
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For those who think Cousins would do better under the influence of a veteran team, how would you feel if the Celtics somehow acquired Cousins to pair with a fully recovered Rondo, but after Pierce and Garnett retire?
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For those who think Cousins would do better under the influence of a veteran team, how would you feel if the Celtics somehow acquired Cousins to pair with a fully recovered Rondo, but after Pierce and Garnett retire?
I'd still take him. Unless there were a better option, but I don't think Greg Monroe ( pf name drop) is walking through that door.
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I think there are a lot of people on here that need to watch more of Cousins games. Yes he has all of the childish issues but we do have solid leadership to keep him stable. And as another poster said the game will be easier for him playing with our core.
But this kids tallent in undeniable. 2nd best center to D Howard. On what plannet. Cousins has more offensive skill in his left hand than D.H has in both. Cousins offensivly is light years ahead of D.H.
When he puts it all together, assuming he matures eventually he has all of the tools to be one of the all time greats. Probably very frustrating for him to be this tallented yet immature. Just not fair. lol
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I'd still do Rondo for D Cous
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I like him less and less as time goes on. I've noticed on offense when he makes a move, a lot of times his upper body goes forward and into the defender, while his legs lag behind like they are stuck in quicksand...and he ends up just throwing the ball toward the basket.
Another thing that as a very bad sign to me are his facial expressions. He doesn't get that angry look that the great players get when they are frustrated. He gets that whiney whimpy mentally soft look like Gerald Green makes after a turnover or Vince Carter used to make when he thought he was fouled. He always literally looks like he is about to cry. In no way would I want a guy like that to be the centerpiece of the Celtics.
As talented as Cousins is, he is a quitter and one of the worst competitors in the league.
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I like him less and less as time goes on. I've noticed on offense when he makes a move, a lot of times his upper body goes forward and into the defender, while his legs lag behind like they are stuck in quicksand...and he ends up just throwing the ball toward the basket.
Another thing that as a very bad sign to me are his facial expressions. He doesn't get that angry look that the great players get when they are frustrated. He gets that whiney whimpy mentally soft look like Gerald Green makes after a turnover or Vince Carter used to make when he thought he was fouled. He always literally looks like he is about to cry. In no way would I want a guy like that to be the centerpiece of the Celtics.
As talented as Cousins is, he is a quitter and one of the worst competitors in the league.
Another effort indicator is that he just can't be bothered playing defense.