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Title: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 03, 2013, 04:58:40 PM
I find this debate somewhat fascinating. Forget contracts or any of the numbers. Throw out what you could get for them in a trade.  Just based on who they are and what they bring who do you keep?

It pains me to say a little but I think Id have to go with KG. I feel his intangibles are just far too valuable to trade.
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: Arok325 on February 03, 2013, 05:07:29 PM
You trade Garnett and keep Pierce. Pierce means more to the franchise and fans. He's a career Celtic and those types of players are rare these days. Plus, Pierce is younger and still playing at a higher level.

Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: Atzar on February 03, 2013, 05:08:28 PM
I don't see the point in keeping one but not the other.  If you're going to trade one, that means you're blowing it up; if you're blowing it up, don't just do it halfway. 

Trade neither, or trade both.
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: Roy H. on February 03, 2013, 05:14:26 PM
Trade neither, or trade both.

Agreed.  I vote "trade neither".
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: Birdman on February 03, 2013, 05:16:57 PM
I keep KG
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: droopdog7 on February 03, 2013, 05:19:00 PM
I don't see the point in keeping one but not the other.  If you're going to trade one, that means you're blowing it up; if you're blowing it up, don't just do it halfway. 

Trade neither, or trade both.
Lock the thread. This is the correct answer. 
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: syfy9 on February 03, 2013, 05:19:29 PM
I don't see the point in keeping one but not the other.  If you're going to trade one, that means you're blowing it up; if you're blowing it up, don't just do it halfway. 

Trade neither, or trade both.

You can keep Pierce for sentimental/leadership reasons, I guess.
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 03, 2013, 05:21:25 PM
Trade neither, or trade both.

Agreed.  I vote "trade neither".

Honestly, that would be my vote too. I was just curious to see who fans would pick if forced to choose one? (I understand its not very practical)
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: Who on February 03, 2013, 05:22:00 PM
I don't think there is any talent of talent trade where Danny Ainge can trade KG and upgrade the team. So I definitely keep KG unless blowing up the team in which case I trade both Paul Pierce and Garnett (plus the highly paid role players).

There may be a "non-blow it up" Paul Pierce trade available that makes sense. Rudy Gay is off the market but Pau Gasol is still available. Danny Granger may be a possibility. Pau Gasol could arguably improve the team. Big upgrade to interior play plus Jeff Green can take a larger role. Danny Granger would be a small downgrade but has more years in front of him than Pierce does and improves Boston further down the line.

Outside of those Paul Pierce possibilities, I agree with the "trade them both or trade neither of them" viewpoint.
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 03, 2013, 05:26:20 PM
My preference is to deal Bass/Terry but Terry has been a little better lately and Bass did play ok today.   I don't like the idea of trading PP at all.  KG, I am not as attached to I still find it unpleasant.

If we get the real deals you have to look at them.   I don't see us going deep in the playoffs.   

I think the trade about KG for clips was ridiculous, they'd have no guards so I think that one was a rumor.
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: greenpride32 on February 03, 2013, 05:37:42 PM
I can't really see Pierce playing for any other team.  I don't think there's any way the team deals him, unless he specifically requests it.
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on February 03, 2013, 08:20:37 PM
I find this debate somewhat fascinating. Forget contracts or any of the numbers. Throw out what you could get for them in a trade.  Just based on who they are and what they bring who do you keep?

It pains me to say a little but I think Id have to go with KG. I feel his intangibles are just far too valuable to trade.

KG and it is not even close.
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: ScottHow on February 03, 2013, 08:22:50 PM
Probably KG just so he can add extra years to his Celtics legacy. Plus he is the culture of the team.
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: SCeltic34 on February 03, 2013, 08:29:13 PM
I don't see the point in keeping one but not the other.  If you're going to trade one, that means you're blowing it up; if you're blowing it up, don't just do it halfway. 

Trade neither, or trade both.

Agree with this for sure.

But if I HAD to choose one to trade, it would have to be KG.  Man that's painful to say 'cause KG is a once in a generation type of player when you put his skill, locker room influence/leadership ability, and tenacity together.  Easily my second favorite player of all time.

But Pierce is a true Celtic.  A Celtic legend.  I'm rollin' with my main man Pierce to the bitter end.
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: Vermont Green on February 03, 2013, 08:29:46 PM
The OP is if you can only keep one, so to say both is kind of missing the point.  Assume a team offered a good young player a decent role player with some salary, plus a good draft pick and then said we will make the deal for either Pierce or KG, you pick, and also assume that the other retires at the end of the season.

I would send out KG, not for basketball reasons but PP played his whole career here so for him to retire here would mean more.
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 03, 2013, 08:36:13 PM
Paul Garnett, Kevin Pierce, I don't know.
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: More Banners on February 03, 2013, 08:41:23 PM
The OP is if you can only keep one, so to say both is kind of missing the point.  Assume a team offered a good young player a decent role player with some salary, plus a good draft pick and then said we will make the deal for either Pierce or KG, you pick, and also assume that the other retires at the end of the season.

I would send out KG, not for basketball reasons but PP played his whole career here so for him to retire here would mean more.

I think it could only go one of two ways:

For KG only, he doesn't waive to leave PP and the C's.  I think he chooses to go down fighting with Paul.

If the offer is for Pierce straight up, it has to be worth losing both Pierce and KG, since I think KG walks w/o Paul.  That kind of deal ain't happening.

If its an offer for BOTH Pierce and KG to go to the same team, then who knows...

But the question is a non-starter, since I don't think it's even a remotely likely scenario.
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: CelticSooner on February 03, 2013, 08:43:38 PM
I don't see the point in keeping one but not the other.  If you're going to trade one, that means you're blowing it up; if you're blowing it up, don't just do it halfway. 

Trade neither, or trade both.

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Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: LooseCannon on February 03, 2013, 08:47:24 PM
If I could re-word the OP-

Consider the following two scenarios:

1) Pierce plus whatever you can get for KG in a trade, and Pierce retires as a Celtic
2) KG plus whatever you can get for Pierce in a trade, and KG retires as a Celtic

Which scenario gives the Celtics the best performance this season?  Which scenario gives the Celtics the best chance at contending for next season?  Which scenario will have the Celtics closer to a title three years from now?
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: bfrombleacher on February 03, 2013, 08:51:13 PM
Ben Rohrbach @brohrbach
KG on Pierce: "He's the original Celtic. Wherever he goes, we go. This is The Truth's house."
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: More Banners on February 03, 2013, 08:55:52 PM
If I could re-word the OP-

Consider the following two scenarios:

1) Pierce plus whatever you can get for KG in a trade, and Pierce retires as a Celtic
2) KG plus whatever you can get for Pierce in a trade, and KG retires as a Celtic

Which scenario gives the Celtics the best performance this season?  Which scenario gives the Celtics the best chance at contending for next season?  Which scenario will have the Celtics closer to a title three years from now?

Okay...

Well, KG is untradable due to the clause.  But I keep him anyway...he is an old soul, and it's Green.

Keeping Pierce is probably a win-now situation, thought trading him would definitely make us better in 3 years by giving us a headstart and/or more assets than letting him retire.  And since I'm high on Green and think we need a big more than anything, trading Rondo or Pierce for a big plus a backup SF would likely make us better this year, too.

What we would need to do is either trade Rondo for a star C or trade Pierce for the same plus a backup SF.  I think either might make us better this year and balance the roster of the future out quite nicely.

Bradley
Lee
Green
Sully
Star Center obtained from trade of Rondo or Pierce
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: Tr1boy on February 03, 2013, 11:05:12 PM
we won 4 in a row. The trade deadline could not pass us any sooner. Both are not going anywhere.
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on February 03, 2013, 11:27:36 PM
we all know both are here till they retire
and that's how it should be
Title: Re: If you can only keep one, is it Pierce or Garnett?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 03, 2013, 11:30:55 PM
we all know both are here till they retire
and that's how it should be

The end.