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Title: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: OhioGreen on February 02, 2013, 09:38:03 PM
Blow this team up, and have a major FIRE SALE!???

Was away for the last day and a half, and just found out about Sully!  Seriously??? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon, we now have 11 healthy(technically anyways) bodies, 3 of which(Melo, Collins, and Wilcox) are virtually worthless, leaving 8, and two of those can't play more than 30 minutes! Please, optimism is one thing---being just plain freakin' delusional is another!
Danny needs to let every GM no they can have whomever they want for a pick and an expiring!  Whatever it takes not to win another game this season, and maybe get a top 3/5 pick!
Keep AB, and hopefully have a healthy Sully and RR next season, with a bunch of picks and start over.
It's sad but true---this season is over after 46 games!! Any wins from here on just push us down in the draft and makes things worse.
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 02, 2013, 09:44:12 PM
Blow this team up, and have a major FIRE SALE!???

Was away for the last day and a half, and just found out about Sully!  Seriously??? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon, we now have 11 healthy(technically anyways) bodies, 3 of which(Melo, Collins, and Wilcox) are virtually worthless, leaving 8, and two of those can't play more than 30 minutes! Please, optimism is one thing---being just plain freakin' delusional is another!
Danny needs to let every GM no they can have whomever they want for a pick and an expiring!  Whatever it takes not to win another game this season, and maybe get a top 3/5 pick!
Keep AB, and hopefully have a healthy Sully and RR next season, with a bunch of picks and start over.
It's sad but true---this season is over after 46 games!! Any wins from here on just push us down in the draft and makes things worse.

[Edited]. I think most of the world is an agreement with you tho.

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[Edited.  Please review our posting rules about labeling others and personal attacks. -RH]
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 02, 2013, 09:48:01 PM
we just beat the heat like it was nothing. We can hang with the best, so we have to go for it. throwing away our best players for a draft pick in the worst draft ever is pretty illogical.
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: BballTim on February 02, 2013, 09:48:41 PM
Blow this team up, and have a major FIRE SALE!???

Was away for the last day and a half, and just found out about Sully!  Seriously??? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon, we now have 11 healthy(technically anyways) bodies, 3 of which(Melo, Collins, and Wilcox) are virtually worthless, leaving 8, and two of those can't play more than 30 minutes! Please, optimism is one thing---being just plain freakin' delusional is another!
Danny needs to let every GM no they can have whomever they want for a pick and an expiring!  Whatever it takes not to win another game this season, and maybe get a top 3/5 pick!
Keep AB, and hopefully have a healthy Sully and RR next season, with a bunch of picks and start over.
It's sad but true---this season is over after 46 games!! Any wins from here on just push us down in the draft and makes things worse.

You will quickly learn there are still plenty of delusional homers on here that think the celtics are winning banner 18 still. I think most of the world is an agreement with you tho.

  Quite a switch from all your talk about what a great team this is without Rondo. This team's already won 20 games and there's like 10 teams with worse records than ours. We aren't getting a top pick at this point in time. Besides, while this season may be over, next year isn't yet.
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 02, 2013, 09:53:39 PM
Blow this team up, and have a major FIRE SALE!???

Was away for the last day and a half, and just found out about Sully!  Seriously??? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon, we now have 11 healthy(technically anyways) bodies, 3 of which(Melo, Collins, and Wilcox) are virtually worthless, leaving 8, and two of those can't play more than 30 minutes! Please, optimism is one thing---being just plain freakin' delusional is another!
Danny needs to let every GM no they can have whomever they want for a pick and an expiring!  Whatever it takes not to win another game this season, and maybe get a top 3/5 pick!
Keep AB, and hopefully have a healthy Sully and RR next season, with a bunch of picks and start over.
It's sad but true---this season is over after 46 games!! Any wins from here on just push us down in the draft and makes things worse.

You will quickly learn there are still plenty of delusional homers on here that think the celtics are winning banner 18 still. I think most of the world is an agreement with you tho.

  Quite a switch from all your talk about what a great team this is without Rondo. This team's already won 20 games and there's like 10 teams with worse records than ours. We aren't getting a top pick at this point in time. Besides, while this season may be over, next year isn't yet.

If you actually read all of my posts instead of just reading a few and jumping to judgment then you would know where i stand which you clearly don't.

I said that this team would do fine without rondo IN THE REGULAR SEASON. I said once we hit the playoffs that's when we would miss rondo. 

Never ONCE did i say this team was great without rondo, NOT ONCE. If you're going to continue putting words in my mouth this will be my last response to you.
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: gpap on February 02, 2013, 10:14:07 PM
Boy these types of threads really fire me up.

Anyway, I disagree.

First off, Sully was a role player and a rookie.

It's not like he was the glue to the team.

As for Rondo, the Celtics play better without him.

Better ball movement and a more simple offense.

Also, the Celts have beaten Miami and the Knicks without Rondo.

So, I say here's to another championship run.

Let's pick the "blow it up" conversation up after the season is over.
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 02, 2013, 10:24:01 PM
Boy these types of threads really fire me up.

Anyway, I disagree.

First off, Sully was a role player and a rookie.

It's not like he was the glue to the team.

As for Rondo, the Celtics play better without him.

Better ball movement and a more simple offense.

Also, the Celts have beaten Miami and the Knicks without Rondo.

So, I say here's to another championship run.

Let's pick the "blow it up" conversation up after the season is over.

Sully was the best rebounder on a team which is already a bad rebounding team. He is a big loss but could possibly be overcame. Losing rondo, you can't replace that. All tho i do agree that the celtics play better as a team when rondo isn't dominating the ball they are NOT a better team without rondo in the longrun. By long run i mean playoffs when its your best 8 guys against theirs. 
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: manl_lui on February 02, 2013, 10:25:08 PM
Can we please, once and for all...stop these "blow it up" threads...

seriously...the trade deadline is 2 weeks away, can we please just sit back and observe how this team will perform without Rondo/Sullinger...

we still have time to observe and listen to offers and not just throw away players for scrap

the future is important but we have to be patient and wait for the right offers/move to come up
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: j804 on February 02, 2013, 10:28:15 PM
Can we blow you up?

Yawn
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: BballTim on February 02, 2013, 10:30:42 PM
Blow this team up, and have a major FIRE SALE!???

Was away for the last day and a half, and just found out about Sully!  Seriously??? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon, we now have 11 healthy(technically anyways) bodies, 3 of which(Melo, Collins, and Wilcox) are virtually worthless, leaving 8, and two of those can't play more than 30 minutes! Please, optimism is one thing---being just plain freakin' delusional is another!
Danny needs to let every GM no they can have whomever they want for a pick and an expiring!  Whatever it takes not to win another game this season, and maybe get a top 3/5 pick!
Keep AB, and hopefully have a healthy Sully and RR next season, with a bunch of picks and start over.
It's sad but true---this season is over after 46 games!! Any wins from here on just push us down in the draft and makes things worse.

You will quickly learn there are still plenty of delusional homers on here that think the celtics are winning banner 18 still. I think most of the world is an agreement with you tho.

  Quite a switch from all your talk about what a great team this is without Rondo. This team's already won 20 games and there's like 10 teams with worse records than ours. We aren't getting a top pick at this point in time. Besides, while this season may be over, next year isn't yet.

If you actually read all of my posts instead of just reading a few and jumping to judgment then you would know where i stand which you clearly don't.

I said that this team would do fine without rondo IN THE REGULAR SEASON. I said once we hit the playoffs that's when we would miss rondo. 

Never ONCE did i say this team was great without rondo, NOT ONCE. If you're going to continue putting words in my mouth this will be my last response to you.

  You made (from what I remember) quite a few posts about the team playing better without Rondo than with him, none of the posts that I saw said "only during the regular season, not during the playoffs". When you claim one team (or one version of a team) is better than another most people will assume that you mean all of the time unless you specify otherwise. So sorry if I misunderstood you but I'd say it was more due to your not being clear than my putting words in your mouth.
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 02, 2013, 10:32:11 PM
I think it'd be nicer to stay together!
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: OttawaCeltic on February 02, 2013, 10:42:26 PM
I think it'd be nicer to stay together!

Same here!
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: colincb on February 02, 2013, 10:57:58 PM
If you're going to blow it up, blow it up and get rid of Rondo who's in his prime too. You don't go to mediocre, you go to crapola and start accumulating picks (and you really want future picks since this is a crap draft).  I'm not for blowing it up unless there's nio hope and having watched Russell win in 1969, there's always hope when you have guys like PP and KG.

If you are going to blow it up, don't think you can keep players like Rondo that are going to keep you from getting high picks in several drafts.  There's too much delusion about how easy it is to build a contender and under the new CBA, it's going to be tougher than before for the Celtics compared to teams funded by billionaires or in NYC or LA.  We're going to be deep in the muck when we go down, so be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on February 03, 2013, 12:57:35 AM
If you're going to blow it up, blow it up and get rid of Rondo who's in his prime too. You don't go to mediocre, you go to crapola and start accumulating picks (and you really want future picks since this is a crap draft).  I'm not for blowing it up unless there's nio hope and having watched Russell win in 1969, there's always hope when you have guys like PP and KG.

If you are going to blow it up, don't think you can keep players like Rondo that are going to keep you from getting high picks in several drafts.  There's too much delusion about how easy it is to build a contender and under the new CBA, it's going to be tougher than before for the Celtics compared to teams funded by billionaires or in NYC or LA.  We're going to be deep in the muck when we go down, so be careful what you wish for.

this is a fine post. TP.
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: OhioGreen on February 03, 2013, 08:07:58 AM
So many thoughts runnin' thru my head---just really upset when I first heard about Sully!
I was in the defiant "hey, we're still gonna do it" camp after Rondo's injury. Maybe, just maybe I said, but after Sully......Guess I'm just too much of a realist.
Objectively though, we never had a starting Center this year! KG plays it well enough, though disliking it, but the position demands more rebounding than he's capable of giving at this point in his career, and with the amount of time we play him.
We now don't have a point guard, which against many teams will leave us perilously open to full court pressure! Again, in playoff BB, a VERY bad thing.
Now, the little solid rebounding we had with Sully, is gone! No effective, starting caliber Center, no point guard, and no rebounding! Yes, those certainly are the main ingredients any team would want to have on their quest for a title!
Then Doc says, well we're just gonna have to play small ball!!!!!!Ha!!!!!! We'll start out BIG, with KG and BB(?really--6'8" undersized BB is a BIG now!LOL), and after that go with our best five! Since KG and PP only play 30 min a game, THAT should get real interesing!
ANY of this starting to sink in?
I don't think DA saw any FA talent out there worth adding salary for, and hopes of waiting til the trade deadline for castoffs from other teams who would be willing to jump on our sinking ship are unlikely to be much better than the Collins, Wilcox, Melo(at this point in his career) trash at the end of our current bench.
And just to respond to getting rid RR too, in the blow it up process------RR, AB, and Sully, I think most would agree can be part of a championship contender. That's your core! Maybe JG and Melo, but not to the point I would exclude them from deals. I definitely don't want anyone close to collecting SS left, going forward.
The RR,Sully train wreck has left us(ME) in a depressed heap, and I'm ready to move on--with YOUTH, STRENGTH, AND ATHLETICISM--and hopefully the beginnings of the next great Celtics' era!
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: scaryjerry on February 03, 2013, 09:56:43 AM
we just beat the heat like it was nothing. We can hang with the best, so we have to go for it. throwing away our best players for a draft pick in the worst draft ever is pretty illogical.


Beat the heat like it was nothing?
hmmm yeah in double overtime playing harder then they have all year...like nothing!
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: OhioGreen on February 03, 2013, 10:14:13 AM
we just beat the heat like it was nothing. We can hang with the best, so we have to go for it. throwing away our best players for a draft pick in the worst draft ever is pretty illogical.
And to throw in--also AT HOME, with Sully chipping in 7pts,4rbs,3stls, and 2 assists, and PP and KG both playing over 45 minutes!

Beat the heat like it was nothing?
hmmm yeah in double overtime playing harder then they have all year...like nothing!
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 03, 2013, 10:50:29 AM
I've been pancaking a lot the past few days as to whether we should blow it up or not.

I want to blow it up because I love KG and Pierce, and I don't want to see them on a non-contender their last couple years.  Plus, blowing it up now jump-starts the rebuilding process and gives us young, cheap talent that hopefully develops.  Can't forget the excitement of lottery picks either.

I want to keep it together because I love KG and Pierce.  I just love watching them play in the Green and I know they won't go down without a fight if we make it to the playoffs.  I'm not sure if I'm ready to go through a couple playoff-less seasons if we rebuild, so I'd like to see this team go down swinging.

The one thing that comforts me is that Danny is one of the few GMs who's willing to go big or go home.  Let's hope he makes the right decision.
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: manl_lui on February 03, 2013, 10:59:53 AM
we just beat the heat like it was nothing. We can hang with the best, so we have to go for it. throwing away our best players for a draft pick in the worst draft ever is pretty illogical.
And to throw in--also AT HOME, with Sully chipping in 7pts,4rbs,3stls, and 2 assists, and PP and KG both playing over 45 minutes!

Beat the heat like it was nothing?
hmmm yeah in double overtime playing harder then they have all year...like nothing!

well technically, we could've beat the Heat in regulation, however it was 2 bad team defense at the end that gave them the opportunity to send it into overtime...

we totally left Ray Allen open and Terry was late to recover...and then the offensive rebound and no pick and roll defense that totally let Lebron hit the open 3...if I remember correctly, Pierce was in the paint somehow and nobody was on James...

if maybe, MAYBE we were playing defense on that last play, Lebron probably wouldn't have hit that 3
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: OhioGreen on February 03, 2013, 11:35:00 AM
we just beat the heat like it was nothing. We can hang with the best, so we have to go for it. throwing away our best players for a draft pick in the worst draft ever is pretty illogical.
And to throw in--also AT HOME, with Sully chipping in 7pts,4rbs,3stls, and 2 assists, and PP and KG both playing over 45 minutes!

Beat the heat like it was nothing?
hmmm yeah in double overtime playing harder then they have all year...like nothing!

well technically, we could've beat the Heat in regulation, however it was 2 bad team defense at the end that gave them the opportunity to send it into overtime...

we totally left Ray Allen open and Terry was late to recover...and then the offensive rebound and no pick and roll defense that totally let Lebron hit the open 3...if I remember correctly, Pierce was in the paint somehow and nobody was on James...

if maybe, MAYBE we were playing defense on that last play, Lebron probably wouldn't have hit that 3

We were also struggling to beat a team ON OUR HOME COURT, which doesn't give much hope for winning on their court!
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: ScottHow on February 03, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
Blow this team up, and have a major FIRE SALE!???

Was away for the last day and a half, and just found out about Sully!  Seriously??? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon, we now have 11 healthy(technically anyways) bodies, 3 of which(Melo, Collins, and Wilcox) are virtually worthless, leaving 8, and two of those can't play more than 30 minutes! Please, optimism is one thing---being just plain freakin' delusional is another!
Danny needs to let every GM no they can have whomever they want for a pick and an expiring!  Whatever it takes not to win another game this season, and maybe get a top 3/5 pick!
Keep AB, and hopefully have a healthy Sully and RR next season, with a bunch of picks and start over.
It's sad but true---this season is over after 46 games!! Any wins from here on just push us down in the draft and makes things worse.

Preach!
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: thirstyboots18 on February 03, 2013, 12:20:32 PM
I was not raised to quit. "You never fail until you quit trying" means everything to me.  I am also not afraid of struggle.  The guys still standing have been given a challenge and an opportunity.  I hope they are allowed to chase their chance as far as they can...and can think of themselves as winners in the end, who gave everything they had to give, rather than a bunch of losers who should be disbanded. 
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: celtics2 on February 03, 2013, 12:29:45 PM
Blow this team up, and have a major FIRE SALE!???

Was away for the last day and a half, and just found out about Sully!  Seriously??? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon, we now have 11 healthy(technically anyways) bodies, 3 of which(Melo, Collins, and Wilcox) are virtually worthless, leaving 8, and two of those can't play more than 30 minutes! Please, optimism is one thing---being just plain freakin' delusional is another!
Danny needs to let every GM no they can have whomever they want for a pick and an expiring!  Whatever it takes not to win another game this season, and maybe get a top 3/5 pick!
Keep AB, and hopefully have a healthy Sully and RR next season, with a bunch of picks and start over.
It's sad but true---this season is over after 46 games!! Any wins from here on just push us down in the draft and makes things worse.

Agree. The Celtics hide behind the word Pride. We'll go 5 years now floundering but Proud. Sit KG and Pierce so they can play with their Grand Children without being crippled. Let the youngsters run wild, get decent draft picks. Replace Danny. He's used up his ammo. Yes he deserves a place in Celtic History but now it's time for a pipe and smoking jacket. He is not moving us forward but backward. I can't stand non action when the rest of the League is moving up and on. We could be in for another decade long free fall. We paid the Devil for that Championship, now the balance is due.
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: Fred Roberts on February 03, 2013, 12:55:48 PM
Blowing it up makes life easier on the Heat, the Knicks and everyone else. Plus, it might push some team that gets a PP or KG over the top for a championship that would leave a sour taste in my mouth.

We are getting to see Lee, Bradley and Green do what they can do now. We may only have 8 or 9 guys but that's as many as we'd allow to play anyways in a playoff rotation.

Bradley, Lee, PP, Bass, KG
Barbosa, Terry, Green, Wilcox, Collins/Melo/free agent xyz (KMart or whomever)

I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but the Celtics are still a hard out this season. I'd rather have fun watching KG & PP play with some young athletic dudes who can D up hard and challenge good teams, than wait 5 years for lottery players to begin panning out. KG is STILL a top flight big in the NBA. Let's roll with it for now.
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: manl_lui on February 03, 2013, 01:11:07 PM
we just beat the heat like it was nothing. We can hang with the best, so we have to go for it. throwing away our best players for a draft pick in the worst draft ever is pretty illogical.
And to throw in--also AT HOME, with Sully chipping in 7pts,4rbs,3stls, and 2 assists, and PP and KG both playing over 45 minutes!

Beat the heat like it was nothing?
hmmm yeah in double overtime playing harder then they have all year...like nothing!

well technically, we could've beat the Heat in regulation, however it was 2 bad team defense at the end that gave them the opportunity to send it into overtime...

we totally left Ray Allen open and Terry was late to recover...and then the offensive rebound and no pick and roll defense that totally let Lebron hit the open 3...if I remember correctly, Pierce was in the paint somehow and nobody was on James...

if maybe, MAYBE we were playing defense on that last play, Lebron probably wouldn't have hit that 3

We were also struggling to beat a team ON OUR HOME COURT, which doesn't give much hope for winning on their court!

what's your point? the Heat barely beat us in game 2, and we barely beat them on their home floor in game 5
Title: Re: Can we please, once and for all
Post by: cletus1985 on February 03, 2013, 01:13:34 PM
Blow this team up, and have a major FIRE SALE!???

Was away for the last day and a half, and just found out about Sully!  Seriously??? Are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon, we now have 11 healthy(technically anyways) bodies, 3 of which(Melo, Collins, and Wilcox) are virtually worthless, leaving 8, and two of those can't play more than 30 minutes! Please, optimism is one thing---being just plain freakin' delusional is another!
Danny needs to let every GM no they can have whomever they want for a pick and an expiring!  Whatever it takes not to win another game this season, and maybe get a top 3/5 pick!
Keep AB, and hopefully have a healthy Sully and RR next season, with a bunch of picks and start over.
It's sad but true---this season is over after 46 games!! Any wins from here on just push us down in the draft and makes things worse.

Agree. The Celtics hide behind the word Pride. We'll go 5 years now floundering but Proud. Sit KG and Pierce so they can play with their Grand Children without being crippled. Let the youngsters run wild, get decent draft picks. Replace Danny. He's used up his ammo. Yes he deserves a place in Celtic History but now it's time for a pipe and smoking jacket. He is not moving us forward but backward. I can't stand non action when the rest of the League is moving up and on. We could be in for another decade long free fall. We paid the Devil for that Championship, now the balance is due.

We're not getting a top five pick out of this weak draft anyway, so tanking for a pick in the 8-12 range isn't going to help this team. We might as well see if lightning strikes in the playoffs and take our chances, however small that chance is.

Really? Fire Danny because of what? He put the deepest team we've had in years together and got more talent then anyone thought was possible. Doc couldn't fit those pieces together and that's on him, he tried to turn Lee and Terry into Ray Allen instead of incorporating their strengths, and Green didn't get any kind of consistency earlier in the year so of course he's going to play sporadically. Danny is at fault for not getting a better big, but that isn't exactly an easy task, hopefully he finds us something by trade or buyout soon.  You can't blame Danny for not having the resources to bring in superstars and keeping veterans who are worth way more on the floor than anything he can get in a trade. He's done a great job of reloading to keep us competitive and we only have 3 guys in the rotation past their prime, everyone else playing significant minutes are in their 20's and will be able to help us in the future (either by trade or on the court). End rant.