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Title: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: rutzan on February 02, 2013, 07:02:52 PM
The Heat are 0-2 against the Knicks, 0-1 against the Bulls, and 0-2 against the Pacers.

Pierce/Green can slow down Bron, AB can slow down Wade and KG can slow down Bosh...i think our supporting cast after that is better than their's

i think we may have more match-up problems with the Knicks and Bulls...but will only probably play one of them...
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: ScottHow on February 02, 2013, 07:05:13 PM
I'm still ready to blow it up.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: Who on February 02, 2013, 07:12:47 PM
I would be feeling really good right now about Boston's chances of knocking Miami off if Rajon Rondo and Jared Sullinger where still healthy and available.

Without them though ... Miami are vulnerable but they are not that vulnerable. Boston don't have the horses to knock them off in a 7 game series.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: hwangjini_1 on February 02, 2013, 07:14:36 PM
I'm still ready to blow it up.

i understand. but i dont think the celtics would get much at all in return for pierce and KG now.

i would rather the celtics take one last fling at the ring. a 5% of winning this year is better than starting the rebuild one year sooner, especially with a thin and weak draft predicted for 2013.

i dont think much is gained by an immediate blow up. many people may believe that ainge can get great assets for the current players, but that does not seem to be accurate.

the rebuild will come soon enough. this team could beat miami in a 7 game series, not a likely event, but not preposterous either.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: wiley on February 02, 2013, 07:16:28 PM
Agree with OP.

1. The Heat BARELY beat us last year.  After two full years together
that threesome of superstar vet players BARELY beat us.

True, they walked over a good Thunder team and were playing very
well at that point. (As an aside, I actually think the refs set a horrible tone in that series
by treating Durant like a rookie in the first couple of games and
letting Lebron do whatever he wanted, and if those teams meet again
I expect more balanced officiating and a harder road for the Heat.)

2.  Repeating is hard, period.

3.  Why should we consider the Heat a dynasty after only one title?

4. Does the way Lebron and Wade are officiated, and the way ESPN has annointed
     them, add an unwarranted aura of invincibility to the Heat.  (answer = yes)

5. injuries, major and minor, do happen and do cause havoc for teams.



Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: bfrombleacher on February 02, 2013, 07:32:38 PM
Agree with OP.

1. The Heat BARELY beat us last year.  After two full years together
that threesome of superstar vet players BARELY beat us.

True, they walked over a good Thunder team and were playing very
well at that point. (As an aside, I actually think the refs set a horrible tone in that series
by treating Durant like a rookie in the first couple of games and
letting Lebron do whatever he wanted, and if those teams meet again
I expect more balanced officiating and a harder road for the Heat.)

2.  Repeating is hard, period.

3.  Why should we consider the Heat a dynasty after only one title?

4. Does the way Lebron and Wade are officiated, and the way ESPN has annointed
     them, add an unwarranted aura of invincibility to the Heat.  (answer = yes)

5. injuries, major and minor, do happen and do cause havoc for teams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshkO8HqQ10

CelticsBlog's reaction to anything positive being said about the team.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: j804 on February 02, 2013, 07:51:37 PM
I would be feeling really good right now about Boston's chances of knocking Miami off if Rajon Rondo and Jared Sullinger where still healthy and available.

Without them though ... Miami are vulnerable but they are not that vulnerable. Boston don't have the horses to knock them off in a 7 game series.
I still like our chances we are more athletic our perimeter defense is better, as a result those guys wont kill us from the three like they did last year. Green/Bradley/Lee and even Barbosa can be weapons against them. The Jet is a Heat killer in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 02, 2013, 08:37:16 PM
Its true that the heat can be beat by the right team. I don't think the celtics are that team. With rondo maybe without him no chance. Unless pierce turns back the clock and matches lebron when he goes off.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: erisred on February 02, 2013, 08:45:44 PM
I'm still ready to blow it up.
Timing is everything. If Danny gets the right deal(s) he'll make them, if not now then summer is coming.

Between now and then let's keep going. You never know what might happen.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: syfy9 on February 02, 2013, 08:58:59 PM
Agree with OP.

1. The Heat BARELY beat us last year.  After two full years together
that threesome of superstar vet players BARELY beat us.


The Heat are better this year, and the Celtics (now) are worse than last year.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 02, 2013, 09:05:38 PM
We don't have enough star power to be serious contenders. We have a bunch of role players that are playing really well right now. That's all good and everything but role players don't win championships.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: syfy9 on February 02, 2013, 09:13:37 PM
We don't have enough star power to be serious contenders. We have a bunch of role players that are playing really well right now. That's all good and everything but role players don't have a good chance to win championships.

fixed it for ya.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 02, 2013, 09:26:33 PM
We don't have enough star power to be serious contenders. We have a bunch of role players that are playing really well right now. That's all good and everything but role players don't have a good chance to win championships.

fixed it for ya.

No you didn't, you're taking out of your a** now.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 09:29:21 PM
The Heat are vulnerable...Yes they are. The celtics are in the hunt...not even close. Someone else may take out the Heat, like OKC, Golden State, NY, LAC, but not us.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 02, 2013, 09:30:39 PM
The Heat are vulnerable...Yes they are. The celtics are in the hunt...not even close. Someone else may take out the Heat, like OKC, Golden State, NY, LAC, but not us.
i would bet on KG and pierce beating the heat over the likes of westbrook or curry...



okc took the heat to 5 games pathetically

celtics took the heat to 3-2 and 7 games
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 09:31:45 PM
The Heat are vulnerable...Yes they are. The celtics are in the hunt...not even close. Someone else may take out the Heat, like OKC, Golden State, NY, LAC, but not us.
i would bet on KG and pierce beating the heat over the likes of westbrook or curry...

Unfortunately it's a team sport, and KG and Pierce also can only go all out for about 25 minutes a game nowadays at most, and when they do, they need 5 days to recover.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: LilRip on February 02, 2013, 09:47:06 PM
i hope the pacers knock out the heat, tbh. lol. they just have the personnel to match up well with the heat
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: Celtics18 on February 02, 2013, 10:04:23 PM
I still think we have a chance, however slim that chance may be. 

I'd hate to see Danny blow  it up.  Let these guys have one more go at it.  I think it'll be fun.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 02, 2013, 10:07:20 PM
I still think we have a chance, however slim that chance may be. 

I'd hate to see Danny blow  it up.  Let these guys have one more go at it.  I think it'll be fun.

Losing to the heat again *If we make it that far* will NOT be fun.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: bopna on February 02, 2013, 10:10:28 PM
Unfortunately..regular season games are different than the playoffs, not one of the Knicks and Pacers are gonna stop the cHeat.   the Only team that has a punchers chance against them are the Bulls,but Rose needs to be back to atleast 90% to even have a chance..Our chance to beat them relies on Rondo but he is now out so that also went out of the window.

The only way they do not come out on top of the East is if they all of a sudden develop nagging injuries to their main core which will obviously slow them down.. That will give teams like the Knicks,Bulls or even us a slight chance.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: j804 on February 02, 2013, 10:27:32 PM
We don't have enough star power to be serious contenders. We have a bunch of role players that are playing really well right now. That's all good and everything but role players don't win championships.
miamis "role players" were a big part of the Heat winning it all last year nobody does it alone not even LeBron.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 02, 2013, 10:29:46 PM
One more chance!

One more chance!

One more chance!
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: OttawaCeltic on February 02, 2013, 10:38:15 PM
One more chance!

One more chance!

One more chance!

No thanks, I rather have the Bulls somehow get them off our hands as we just make it to the Finals...
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 02, 2013, 10:41:33 PM
We don't have enough star power to be serious contenders. We have a bunch of role players that are playing really well right now. That's all good and everything but role players don't win championships.
miamis "role players" were a big part of the Heat winning it all last year nobody does it alone not even LeBron.

My biggest pet peeve is when somebody can't take what is said and comprehend it. Obviously dude, obviously you can't do it all alone. That being said you could replace all of miamis role players with other decent role players and miami still has a great shot at a title as long as the stars stay together, lebron wade and bosh.

Stars win championships not role players. Role players assist but they have absolutely no chance at a championship without enough star power to lead them. I hope you understand what i was trying to say now a little better now.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: celts10 on February 02, 2013, 10:45:18 PM
1. The Heat BARELY beat us last year.  After two full years together
that threesome of superstar vet players BARELY beat us.

If Bosh was fully healthy at the start of that series, we'd probably have lost in 5 or 6 games. Although, if we had a healthy Bradley, Green, and Wilcox who knows how things would have turned out. ;)
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: celts10 on February 02, 2013, 10:46:37 PM
Forgot to add, a healthy Ray too...
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 02, 2013, 10:54:31 PM
1. The Heat BARELY beat us last year.  After two full years together
that threesome of superstar vet players BARELY beat us.

If Bosh was fully healthy at the start of that series, we'd probably have lost in 5 or 6 games. Although, if we had a healthy Bradley, Green, and Wilcox who knows how things would have turned out. ;)

I hate the barely beat us line. They were missing arguably their second best player for most of the series and they still won. No excuses, if rose was healthy the celtics don't even make it that far.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: colincb on February 02, 2013, 10:59:57 PM
Forgot to add, a healthy Ray too...
...and a healthy Pierce.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: Bombastic Jones on February 02, 2013, 11:15:25 PM
We don't have enough star power to be serious contenders. We have a bunch of role players that are playing really well right now. That's all good and everything but role players don't win championships.

How much star power does a team need?  If Pierce can gain some momentum, Bradley takes another step, and KG just does his thing we would have plenty of star power.  Thats hoping for a lot but the odds of losing Rondo and Sully in the same week were pretty slim, why not hope for the same odds in the other direction.  Be a fan of this team.  Enjoy what they give you. It might not be a banner, but it could still be fun.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: esel1000 on February 02, 2013, 11:19:31 PM
We don't have enough star power to be serious contenders. We have a bunch of role players that are playing really well right now. That's all good and everything but role players don't win championships.

How much star power does a team need?  If Pierce can gain some momentum, Bradley takes another step, and KG just does his thing we would have plenty of star power.  Thats hoping for a lot but the odds of losing Rondo and Sully in the same week were pretty slim, why not hope for the same odds in the other direction.  Be a fan of this team.  Enjoy what they give you. It might not be a banner, but it could still be fun.

How much star power do you need? The NBA is based soley on star power. Teams that win championships have players that can take over games consistently. At one point, this was KG and Pierce. They can still do so at times, just not on a regular basis.

When a team has 2-3 all stars/superstars not named Kobe (brick) Bryant the team will most likely contend. Look what the addition of CP3 has done for the Clips. Heat went from nothing to finals appearances and a championship. And look no further than our own 24-55 2007 celtics team to understand what star power can do for a team.

Basketball is a team sport and role players are very important. However, you need stars to contend. That being said, I do agree with your last line. Contention or not, I'm enjoying this fast break team.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: wiley on February 03, 2013, 12:06:21 AM
1. The Heat BARELY beat us last year.  After two full years together
that threesome of superstar vet players BARELY beat us.

If Bosh was fully healthy at the start of that series, we'd probably have lost in 5 or 6 games. Although, if we had a healthy Bradley, Green, and Wilcox who knows how things would have turned out. ;)

I hate the barely beat us line. They were missing arguably their second best player for most of the series and they still won. No excuses, if rose was healthy the celtics don't even make it that far.

We did smoke them in the regular season with Bradley and Bosh both present.  Blasted the Heat twice if I recall.  The Celtics are a bad ass team when their pieces are healthy and clicking.  In the current situation I have no idea what to expect.

Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: BballTim on February 03, 2013, 12:13:57 AM
1. The Heat BARELY beat us last year.  After two full years together
that threesome of superstar vet players BARELY beat us.

If Bosh was fully healthy at the start of that series, we'd probably have lost in 5 or 6 games. Although, if we had a healthy Bradley, Green, and Wilcox who knows how things would have turned out. ;)

I hate the barely beat us line. They were missing arguably their second best player for most of the series and they still won. No excuses, if rose was healthy the celtics don't even make it that far.

  The Heat were missing arguably their 2nd best player, we were arguably missing our 4th, 5th and 8th best players. If it's no excuses for the Celts it's no excuses for everyone else as well.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: Bombastic Jones on February 03, 2013, 01:04:07 AM
We don't have enough star power to be serious contenders. We have a bunch of role players that are playing really well right now. That's all good and everything but role players don't win championships.

How much star power does a team need?  If Pierce can gain some momentum, Bradley takes another step, and KG just does his thing we would have plenty of star power.  Thats hoping for a lot but the odds of losing Rondo and Sully in the same week were pretty slim, why not hope for the same odds in the other direction.  Be a fan of this team.  Enjoy what they give you. It might not be a banner, but it could still be fun.

How much star power do you need? The NBA is based soley on star power. Teams that win championships have players that can take over games consistently. At one point, this was KG and Pierce. They can still do so at times, just not on a regular basis.

When a team has 2-3 all stars/superstars not named Kobe (brick) Bryant the team will most likely contend. Look what the addition of CP3 has done for the Clips. Heat went from nothing to finals appearances and a championship. And look no further than our own 24-55 2007 celtics team to understand what star power can do for a team.

Basketball is a team sport and role players are very important. However, you need stars to contend. That being said, I do agree with your last line. Contention or not, I'm enjoying this fast break team.

That is my point.  We already have one all star (KG); if PP gets his thing going again then we have two all stars.  Bradley is a long shot, but maybe he will develop enough in the final months to play like a borderline all star.  It might be a long shot, but I am not giving up on this team.  And, like you, I am enjoying them no matter how things turn out.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: PhoSita on February 03, 2013, 01:19:48 AM
The Heat are . . . bored.

Nobody in the East can really challenge them unless Rose comes back like Adrian Peterson.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 03, 2013, 01:29:45 AM
1. The Heat BARELY beat us last year.  After two full years together
that threesome of superstar vet players BARELY beat us.

If Bosh was fully healthy at the start of that series, we'd probably have lost in 5 or 6 games. Although, if we had a healthy Bradley, Green, and Wilcox who knows how things would have turned out. ;)

I hate the barely beat us line. They were missing arguably their second best player for most of the series and they still won. No excuses, if rose was healthy the celtics don't even make it that far.

  The Heat were missing arguably their 2nd best player, we were arguably missing our 4th, 5th and 8th best players. If it's no excuses for the Celts it's no excuses for everyone else as well.

That's fine, no matter how you slice it the celtics lost to the heat last year. Even when pretty much everything fell the celtics way. As much as you can hope for anyways.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 03, 2013, 01:30:58 AM
The Heat are . . . bored.

Nobody in the East can really challenge them unless Rose comes back like Adrian Peterson.

Agreed
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: rutzan on February 03, 2013, 01:45:00 AM
Sir Winston Churchill
Harrow School
United Kingdom
October 29, 1941
 
Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: BballTim on February 03, 2013, 07:06:39 AM
1. The Heat BARELY beat us last year.  After two full years together
that threesome of superstar vet players BARELY beat us.

If Bosh was fully healthy at the start of that series, we'd probably have lost in 5 or 6 games. Although, if we had a healthy Bradley, Green, and Wilcox who knows how things would have turned out. ;)

I hate the barely beat us line. They were missing arguably their second best player for most of the series and they still won. No excuses, if rose was healthy the celtics don't even make it that far.

  The Heat were missing arguably their 2nd best player, we were arguably missing our 4th, 5th and 8th best players. If it's no excuses for the Celts it's no excuses for everyone else as well.

That's fine, no matter how you slice it the celtics lost to the heat last year. Even when pretty much everything fell the celtics way. As much as you can hope for anyways.

  Sure, if you call losing Bradley in the playoffs "everything falling the Celts way", not to mention Green/Wilcox.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 03, 2013, 08:42:51 AM
I agree Bron. only playing as hard as he feels like.........LBJ.    now has learned how to put his team on his back and can play like a madman.        when he thinks its necessary.

if the game meant something LBJ would have played up to the task.

shifting his focus away from the game on to something meaningless to everybody but  LBJ is the way to screwup his focus

wade can be shutdown now,  he loses his tempter when he is actually guarded......attract Wade, get technicals on him...take him out of the game.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: staticcc on February 03, 2013, 09:49:48 AM
We don't have enough star power to be serious contenders. We have a bunch of role players that are playing really well right now. That's all good and everything but role players don't win championships.
miamis "role players" were a big part of the Heat winning it all last year nobody does it alone not even LeBron.

My biggest pet peeve is when somebody can't take what is said and comprehend it. Obviously dude, obviously you can't do it all alone. That being said you could replace all of miamis role players with other decent role players and miami still has a great shot at a title as long as the stars stay together, lebron wade and bosh.

Stars win championships not role players. Role players assist but they have absolutely no chance at a championship without enough star power to lead them. I hope you understand what i was trying to say now a little better now.

The 2004 Pistons have something to say about that. No star players there.
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: scaryjerry on February 03, 2013, 09:52:53 AM
No shot without rondo...not buying the knicks and pacers...who really cares? They have no shot either....bulls depending on Rose possibly
Title: Re: The Heat are vulnerable...Stay in the hunt!
Post by: wiley on February 03, 2013, 10:31:30 AM
No shot without rondo...not buying the knicks and pacers...who really cares? They have no shot either....bulls depending on Rose possibly

I think this Bulls team is ready.  When Miami goes small they can now put Deng on Lebron at SF and have Butler at SF, not to mention Butler spelling Deng at SF. That's going to be a 7 game series.  With Rose I think the Bulls could take it in 6.