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Title: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: badshar on February 02, 2013, 06:15:12 PM
I rarely make trade threads, but here is an opportunity that I see that would help us a lot.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bao5htb

"Raptors president Bryan Colangelo, in the wake of the Gay trade, is now openly acknowledging that he's shopping former No. 1 overall pick Andrea Bargnani."
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-130201-02/eight-trade-truths-deadline

I'm thinking we send Brandon Bass and Jason Terry and receive Andrea Bargnani and Aaron Gray in return.

I know I will get laughed on for this, but I would still like to know what do you guys think?
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: LooseCannon on February 02, 2013, 06:18:25 PM
I see no good reason to seek to acquire Bargnani.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: PhoSita on February 02, 2013, 06:18:46 PM
Not interested at all.  He's got an awful contract and he doesn't address any of our needs.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: crownontherocks on February 02, 2013, 06:19:04 PM
Bargs is prob going to fakers for gasol.  Bsrgs is back tomorrow i believe , so a trade will prob happen soon if he doest get hurt again
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: esel1000 on February 02, 2013, 06:19:40 PM
another 7 footer that cant rebound? pass
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: moiso on February 02, 2013, 06:20:23 PM
I'd do it.  Bass has been pretty bad this year and maybe Bargnani would be rejuvenated witha change of scenery.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: Atzar on February 02, 2013, 06:20:54 PM
Andrea Bargnani is garbage.  Overpaid, low-efficiency big man who won't rebound and doesn't play defense. 

Not interested.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 06:28:58 PM
No way they give us Bargniani for Bass and Terry. They are trying to trade him to get a player like Pau Gasol, not to downgrade.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: ManUp on February 02, 2013, 06:38:18 PM
No way they give us Bargniani for Bass and Terry. They are trying to trade him to get a player like Pau Gasol, not to downgrade.

Bargnani is hot garbage.

The only reason Gasol is an option is because D'antoni loves stretch fours, hates Gasol and the Lakers are a mess.

Pass.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 06:40:05 PM
No way they give us Bargniani for Bass and Terry. They are trying to trade him to get a player like Pau Gasol, not to downgrade.

Bargnani is hot garbage.

The only reason Gasol is an option is because D'antoni loves stretch fours, hates Gasol and the Lakers are a mess.

Pass.


call him what you want, but the raptors won't trade him to us for Bass and Terry.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: action781 on February 02, 2013, 06:41:54 PM
Andrea Bargnani is garbage.  Overpaid, low-efficiency big man who won't rebound and doesn't play defense. 

Not interested.

He has been the only guy in Toronto capable of scoring the ball ever since he arrived.  Usually when teams have only 1 offensive option, those players have to score at a low efficiency since teams focus all their attention on them.  His efficiency is very similar to Paul Pierce's before the big 3 era in Boston.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 02, 2013, 06:45:16 PM
No thanks.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 06:46:25 PM
Andrea Bargnani is garbage.  Overpaid, low-efficiency big man who won't rebound and doesn't play defense. 

Not interested.

He has been the only guy in Toronto capable of scoring the ball ever since he arrived.  Usually when teams have only 1 offensive option, those players have to score at a low efficiency since teams focus all their attention on them.  His efficiency is very similar to Paul Pierce's before the big 3 era in Boston.

Yes, some people don't seem to understand that though. Big guys who can score like Bargniani don't come around often. On a vet team with a good coach, he would be an offensive force.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: Moranis on February 02, 2013, 07:10:37 PM
Bos - Bargs, Metta
Tor - Gasol
LA - Bass, Green, Fields, Collins, Tor 1st
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: Fafnir on February 02, 2013, 07:14:16 PM
I want no part of Bargnani. He's been a net negative player for a while now, just hasn't developed his talent at all.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: triboy16f on February 02, 2013, 08:00:34 PM
I have a gut feeling , we might get this guy.

I tell you why. He has never played on a good team before. He can flat out shoot the three. He is rebounding better than before but still highly inconsistent player. Just saying for a three point specialist he could be had
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 08:03:16 PM
I have a gut feeling , we might get this guy.

I tell you why. He has never played on a good team before. He can flat out shoot the three. He is rebounding better than before but still highly inconsistent player. Just saying for a three point specialist he could be had

a gut feeling, WOW, Gary Tanguay, is that you?
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 02, 2013, 08:08:28 PM
I have a gut feeling , we might get this guy.

I tell you why. He has never played on a good team before. He can flat out shoot the three. He is rebounding better than before but still highly inconsistent player. Just saying for a three point specialist he could be had

People are complaining about Terry and Lee's shooting and you want to bring in a player who's shooting it quite worse than them?
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: ejk3489 on February 02, 2013, 09:17:32 PM
He has been the only guy in Toronto capable of scoring the ball ever since he arrived.  Usually when teams have only 1 offensive option, those players have to score at a low efficiency since teams focus all their attention on them.  His efficiency is very similar to Paul Pierce's before the big 3 era in Boston.

Chris Bosh though...

I have a gut feeling , we might get this guy.

I tell you why. He has never played on a good team before. He can flat out shoot the three. He is rebounding better than before but still highly inconsistent player. Just saying for a three point specialist he could be had

In the 21 games he played this season, he shot 31% from deep on 4.5 attempts. That's awful. He also grabbed only 7.9% of available rebounds while he was on the floor, good for 2nd worst in the league among power forwards and centers.

So how exactly will a guy who can't rebound or shoot threes help the Celtics in any way?
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 09:19:29 PM
He has been the only guy in Toronto capable of scoring the ball ever since he arrived.  Usually when teams have only 1 offensive option, those players have to score at a low efficiency since teams focus all their attention on them.  His efficiency is very similar to Paul Pierce's before the big 3 era in Boston.

Chris Bosh though...

I have a gut feeling , we might get this guy.

I tell you why. He has never played on a good team before. He can flat out shoot the three. He is rebounding better than before but still highly inconsistent player. Just saying for a three point specialist he could be had

In the 21 games he played this season, he shot 31% from deep on 4.5 attempts. That's awful. He also grabbed only 7.9% of available rebounds while he was on the floor, good for 2nd worst in the league among power forwards and center.

So how exactly will a guy who can't rebound or shoot threes help the Celtics in any way?

he can shoot very well, and is a pretty good rebounder too. Quoting his numbers from this year which he spent trying to play through an injury is inaccurate.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 02, 2013, 09:23:43 PM
Option for what, an extremely expensive waterboy?

Bargs makes Pau Gasol look like a tough guy, no thanks.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 09:25:25 PM
Option for what, an extremely expensive waterboy?

Bargs makes Pau Gasol look like a tough guy, no thanks.


(http://cdn-9.nflximg.com/images/3876/1043876.jpg)
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 02, 2013, 09:31:20 PM
Option for what, an extremely expensive waterboy?

Bargs makes Pau Gasol look like a tough guy, no thanks.


(http://cdn-9.nflximg.com/images/3876/1043876.jpg)

Yeah, probably should have said "towel boy".  That Bobby Boucher sure was one tough SOB!
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
Option for what, an extremely expensive waterboy?

Bargs makes Pau Gasol look like a tough guy, no thanks.


(http://cdn-9.nflximg.com/images/3876/1043876.jpg)

Yeah, probably should have said "towel boy".  That Bobby Boucher sure was one tough SOB!


LOL! Gotta love the Waterboy!
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: ManUp on February 02, 2013, 10:07:03 PM
No way they give us Bargniani for Bass and Terry. They are trying to trade him to get a player like Pau Gasol, not to downgrade.

Bargnani is hot garbage.

The only reason Gasol is an option is because D'antoni loves stretch fours, hates Gasol and the Lakers are a mess.

Pass.


call him what you want, but the raptors won't trade him to us for Bass and Terry.

The Celtics wouldn't offer Bass and Terry

Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: OttawaCeltic on February 02, 2013, 10:39:25 PM
No way they give us Bargniani for Bass and Terry. They are trying to trade him to get a player like Pau Gasol, not to downgrade.

Bargnani is hot garbage.

The only reason Gasol is an option is because D'antoni loves stretch fours, hates Gasol and the Lakers are a mess.

Pass.


call him what you want, but the raptors won't trade him to us for Bass and Terry.

The Celtics wouldn't offer Bass and Terry

I'd do that offer, but if you replace them then I'd reject immediately.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: ejk3489 on February 02, 2013, 11:45:18 PM
He has been the only guy in Toronto capable of scoring the ball ever since he arrived.  Usually when teams have only 1 offensive option, those players have to score at a low efficiency since teams focus all their attention on them.  His efficiency is very similar to Paul Pierce's before the big 3 era in Boston.

Chris Bosh though...

I have a gut feeling , we might get this guy.

I tell you why. He has never played on a good team before. He can flat out shoot the three. He is rebounding better than before but still highly inconsistent player. Just saying for a three point specialist he could be had

In the 21 games he played this season, he shot 31% from deep on 4.5 attempts. That's awful. He also grabbed only 7.9% of available rebounds while he was on the floor, good for 2nd worst in the league among power forwards and center.

So how exactly will a guy who can't rebound or shoot threes help the Celtics in any way?

he can shoot very well, and is a pretty good rebounder too. Quoting his numbers from this year which he spent trying to play through an injury is inaccurate.

I know he can shoot, but that doesn't mean I want him on the Celtics as a "three point specialist".

As far as him being a pretty good rebounder...lets just say I strongly disagree. Among players 6'11 or taller in the history of the NBA (with at least 20mpg averaged over their career) he ranks last in career rebounding rate and career rebounds per 36 min. Let me just say that again: in the history of the NBA, no one is worse.

Rondo and Lowry are about a foot shorter and they're still better on the boards than Bargnani.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 02, 2013, 11:59:02 PM
No Bargs plz.

Rondo is just exceptional, he gets more boards than LOTS of PGs/SFs/SGs/PFs/Cs (aka everyone)
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 03, 2013, 01:20:06 AM
10 mil a year over three years for a bad player?... No thanks.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: Fafnir on February 03, 2013, 01:22:51 AM
He has been the only guy in Toronto capable of scoring the ball ever since he arrived.  Usually when teams have only 1 offensive option, those players have to score at a low efficiency since teams focus all their attention on them.  His efficiency is very similar to Paul Pierce's before the big 3 era in Boston.

Chris Bosh though...

I have a gut feeling , we might get this guy.

I tell you why. He has never played on a good team before. He can flat out shoot the three. He is rebounding better than before but still highly inconsistent player. Just saying for a three point specialist he could be had

In the 21 games he played this season, he shot 31% from deep on 4.5 attempts. That's awful. He also grabbed only 7.9% of available rebounds while he was on the floor, good for 2nd worst in the league among power forwards and center.

So how exactly will a guy who can't rebound or shoot threes help the Celtics in any way?

he can shoot very well, and is a pretty good rebounder too. Quoting his numbers from this year which he spent trying to play through an injury is inaccurate.
hes a terrible rebounder. Paul Pietce has a better career rebound rate and he's a PF/C
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: Moranis on February 03, 2013, 01:42:31 AM
10 mil a year over three years for a bad player?... No thanks.
you mean like Jeff Green.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: PhoSita on February 03, 2013, 02:05:37 AM
10 mil a year over three years for a bad player?... No thanks.
you mean like Jeff Green.

I'd much rather have Jeff Green.  He's slightly cheaper and doesn't expect to take a bunch of shots.  Not to mention Jeff's actually a better rebounder and can defend a chair.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 03, 2013, 04:02:03 AM
jeff green guarded lebron, made lebron shoot 2-11

ill take green over "3 rebounds per game" bargnani
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: j804 on February 03, 2013, 04:56:36 AM
Yuck, no.
Title: Re: Is Raptors' Bargnani an option?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 03, 2013, 05:56:00 AM
If we're going to give up Bass and Collins I'd take it.

Say what you want about Il Mago, he's still a very skilled offensive player. Will his defense and rebounding get fixed, maybe, maybe not. Be he can give us 14-15 points a game off the bench, consistently. And I'd sure take that over what Brandon Bass is giving us right now.

Of course that contract would be the issue, but again, if that's all it would cost, we should go for it.