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Title: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on February 02, 2013, 02:23:31 PM
Sorry I'm at work at saw on celtics realgm twitter feed that someone tweeted @CelticsBlog that a guy definitely saw Greg in Walthem.. Any word on this? Sorry this is from my phone and was wondering if it's true
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 02, 2013, 02:25:55 PM
https://twitter.com/MaddenBible/status/297776907649421312

Don't know who this guy is, but here's where the rumor is coming from.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 02, 2013, 02:26:53 PM
For whatever this is worth:
http://twitter.com/MaddenBible/status/297776907649421312


99 percent sure Greg Oden is at the Boston Airport right now


Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on February 02, 2013, 02:27:38 PM
Yeah some guy said he was going to the gym and Oden was going into some sports medicine office
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 02:28:17 PM
Hopefully Doc and Danny gave him the full court press to sell him in signing with us.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on February 02, 2013, 02:30:19 PM
Interested if he can still offer anything to a team
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 02, 2013, 02:31:36 PM
Interested if he can still offer anything to a team

I'm not to concerned on this respect, I don't think he plans on playing this year anyways.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on February 02, 2013, 02:32:34 PM
Interested if he can still offer anything to a team

I'm not to concerned on this respect, I don't think he plans on playing this year anyways.


I'm just saying even for the future.. What a comeback story that would be
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 02, 2013, 02:33:33 PM
Honestly, I see absolutely no harm in giving him a minimum contract for the rest of the season. If he pans out, then we could make a little playoff run. If he doesn't, no big deal, and we move on with our lives. It's not like he could ruin us. What's there to ruin?
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 02:35:17 PM
Interested if he can still offer anything to a team

I'm not to concerned on this respect, I don't think he plans on playing this year anyways.

Exactly, this would be a move for the future, and totally worth the risk imo. Imagine, ending the KG era while getting the guy we missed out on which lead to us trading for KG. After losing Rondo and Sullinger, we should totally focus on next season and beyond, but without tossing guys away for basically money savings. This would be one way of doing it.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on February 02, 2013, 02:35:56 PM
Honestly, I see absolutely no harm in giving him a minimum contract for the rest of the season. If he pans out, then we could make a little playoff run. If he doesn't, no big deal, and we move on with our lives. It's not like he could ruin us. What's there to ruin?


I agree with this as well.. i would be excited to grab him and stash him
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: rondohondo on February 02, 2013, 02:36:29 PM
hmmm Rondo, Sully and Oden all coming back from major injuries next year. They would either be really good or a lotto team ( if PP and KG are gone)...
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: Redz on February 02, 2013, 02:36:30 PM
Isn't there a prosthetics office in Waltham?
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 02:36:50 PM
Honestly, I see absolutely no harm in giving him a minimum contract for the rest of the season. If he pans out, then we could make a little playoff run. If he doesn't, no big deal, and we move on with our lives. It's not like he could ruin us. What's there to ruin?

He won't play this year. He's looking to sign on with a team to get ready for next year. He has interest from a number of teams including the heat and the cavs, so it will take more than the minimum I guess. Totally worth the risk though imo.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: PhoSita on February 02, 2013, 02:36:57 PM
Well, if he came to the Celtics he'd have as good a chance as anybody at earning that starting center spot next season and beyond, if he indeed can actually stay healthy for any significant stretch of time.

Not to many teams have that large a hole at starting center.


Really, though, Oden should be looking to play in Phoenix, for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: SparzWizard on February 02, 2013, 02:38:12 PM
Interested if he can still offer anything to a team

I'm not to concerned on this respect, I don't think he plans on playing this year anyways.

Exactly, this would be a move for the future, and totally worth the risk imo. Imagine, ending the KG era while getting the guy we missed out on which lead to us trading for KG. After losing Rondo and Sullinger, we should totally focus on next season and beyond, but without tossing guys away for basically money savings. This would be one way of doing it.

It would be great to have him in our squad and potentially a strong boost for the future, but he already made it clear that he wants to go to the Heat or Cavs unfortunately.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: PhoSita on February 02, 2013, 02:40:21 PM
Having Greg Oden on our team would be so stressful.  Just watch a video of him playing.  Every time he comes down from jumping for a block or a rebound you half expect his legs to buckle and shatter.  He just looks so big and heavy, and we know his knees are made of silly puddy.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 02:41:42 PM
Interested if he can still offer anything to a team

I'm not to concerned on this respect, I don't think he plans on playing this year anyways.

Exactly, this would be a move for the future, and totally worth the risk imo. Imagine, ending the KG era while getting the guy we missed out on which lead to us trading for KG. After losing Rondo and Sullinger, we should totally focus on next season and beyond, but without tossing guys away for basically money savings. This would be one way of doing it.

It would be great to have him in our squad and potentially a strong boost for the future, but he already made it clear that he wants to go to the Heat or Cavs unfortunately.

He indicated he was interested in those two teams, but also boston was still in the mix. He in no way has decided yet.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 02, 2013, 02:43:16 PM
Honestly, I see absolutely no harm in giving him a minimum contract for the rest of the season. If he pans out, then we could make a little playoff run. If he doesn't, no big deal, and we move on with our lives. It's not like he could ruin us. What's there to ruin?

No harm but we would have to vet min sign him for this year an next year as he is not going to play this season.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 02, 2013, 02:44:15 PM
Man, how rumors spread... one guy says he may have seen him in the airport, now I'm seeing  a couple of Spanish tweets. The first one, seeing Oden spotted at the Celtic's facility, another one later mentioned he's been seen at Celtics' offices...
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Walthem?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 02:44:39 PM
Interested if he can still offer anything to a team

I'm not to concerned on this respect, I don't think he plans on playing this year anyways.

Exactly, this would be a move for the future, and totally worth the risk imo. Imagine, ending the KG era while getting the guy we missed out on which lead to us trading for KG. After losing Rondo and Sullinger, we should totally focus on next season and beyond, but without tossing guys away for basically money savings. This would be one way of doing it.

It would be great to have him in our squad and potentially a strong boost for the future, but he already made it clear that he wants to go to the Heat or Cavs unfortunately.

http://www.thelantern.com/sports/mark-titus-on-greg-oden-s-nba-prospects-he-really-just-has-no-idea-where-he-s-going-to-end-up-1.2980311#.UQ1sSasa-S4

"He really has no idea where he's going to end up"
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: ScottHow on February 02, 2013, 03:27:49 PM
It would be so cool to see Oden in a Celtics jersey.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: diconzo on February 02, 2013, 03:29:02 PM
According to Sherrod on twitter, Oden met with the C's. Says there's more to come on CSNNE.com
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: tonyto3690 on February 02, 2013, 03:31:30 PM
He made it pretty clear he is only interested in the Cavs or Heat.

While this is nice to see Ainge is pushing and working hard, I don't expect much of it, and if anything does happen it'll come in an overpay. 

He's made of glass.  Having talent doesn't matter if you only play 2 games a year.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: Roy H. on February 02, 2013, 03:33:34 PM
I can't imagine he'll sign here, but I'd be all for it.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 03:34:06 PM
He made it pretty clear he is only interested in the Cavs or Heat.

While this is nice to see Ainge is pushing and working hard, I don't expect much of it, and if anything does happen it'll come in an overpay. 

He's made of glass.  Having talent doesn't matter if you only play 2 games a year.

This is simply not true. Read a few of the recent articles, he clearly states he has no idea where he will end up.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 02, 2013, 03:36:25 PM
He makes sense on many levels, maybe Sully is playing the " they are just like OSU" card. 

Quote
While this is nice to see Ainge is pushing and working hard, I don't expect much of it, and if anything does happen it'll come in an overpay.

He's made of glass.  Having talent doesn't matter if you only play 2 games a year.

I agree he is fragile but it's very little risk for us and high reward at this point.  Maybe we can catch lightning in the bottle with a little Bill Walton season of '86 magic for us.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: rondohondo on February 02, 2013, 03:37:01 PM
KG era coming full circle? Oden finally ending up with the c's? Would be an awesome story if he could ever stay healthy , pretty doubtful though.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 02, 2013, 03:41:16 PM
I'd assume our offer is the full (not pro-rated) Bi-annual exception.

Cleveland can offer better money, so I'm guessing he signs there.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: Roy H. on February 02, 2013, 03:49:17 PM
I'd assume our offer is the full (not pro-rated) Bi-annual exception.

I don't believe we're allowed to offer a full bi-annual exception.  I believe the exception begins to pro-rate for all teams after January 10.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: manl_lui on February 02, 2013, 03:54:42 PM
I'll take that risk!
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: Cman on February 02, 2013, 03:58:28 PM
He made it pretty clear he is only interested in the Cavs or Heat.

While this is nice to see Ainge is pushing and working hard, I don't expect much of it, and if anything does happen it'll come in an overpay. 

He's made of glass.  Having talent doesn't matter if you only play 2 games a year.

This is simply not true. Read a few of the recent articles, he clearly states he has no idea where he will end up.

Plus, now that the Heat have signed Birdman, it is less likely they'll want to sign Oden.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: triboy16f on February 02, 2013, 03:58:31 PM
He made it pretty clear he is only interested in the Cavs or Heat.

While this is nice to see Ainge is pushing and working hard, I don't expect much of it, and if anything does happen it'll come in an overpay. 

He's made of glass.  Having talent doesn't matter if you only play 2 games a year.

you got to understand the landscape changed when Sullinger went down. Oden would be looking at major minutes if he is cleared to pay.

He could take more money to be with the Cavs but he would be on the way to losing again.

After the andersen signing , he has no space to be in the heat lineup.

Next best thing is play for us, get a chance at some major minutes, learn from KG, play for a winning org and reap a better contract for start of next year.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: Boris Badenov on February 02, 2013, 04:09:51 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/careless-blazers-goofing-around-with-basketball-sh,18448/
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: dark_lord on February 02, 2013, 04:10:44 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 02, 2013, 04:14:38 PM
I'd assume our offer is the full (not pro-rated) Bi-annual exception.

I don't believe we're allowed to offer a full bi-annual exception.  I believe the exception begins to pro-rate for all teams after January 10.

I could have sworn it was an either/or thing.  You're probably right though.  I haven't brushed up on my CBA facts in a while.

EDIT:  I just checked, and, you are correct, Roy.  We still have a leg up on Miami in terms of money, as they can not use this exception this season having used the tax-payer MLE.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 04:14:47 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt

What's the drawback even if in the worst case he gets injured? We are not contenders this year anymore, so would you prefer using one of the open roster spots on a guy who might develop into a future building block (Oden) or a guy who is washed up (Kenyon Martin for example) or a D-league player who at the maximum best scenario could be a 12th man on a mediocre NBA team?
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: dark_lord on February 02, 2013, 04:15:45 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt

What's the drawback even if in the worst case he gets injured? We are not contenders this year anymore, so would you prefer using one of the open roster spots on a guy who might develop into a future building block (Oden) or a guy who will is washed up (Kenyon Martin for example?)

waste of $. we are already over the cap.

as terrible as collins is, at least he is able to play. would rather have a player that can actually play.  the guy has been an injury prone bust since college
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: rondohondo on February 02, 2013, 04:17:41 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt

What's the drawback even if in the worst case he gets injured? We are not contenders this year anymore, so would you prefer using one of the open roster spots on a guy who might develop into a future building block (Oden) or a guy who will is washed up (Kenyon Martin for example?)

waste of $. we are already over the cap.

what do you care? you're not paying his salary lol
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 04:21:05 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt

What's the drawback even if in the worst case he gets injured? We are not contenders this year anymore, so would you prefer using one of the open roster spots on a guy who might develop into a future building block (Oden) or a guy who will is washed up (Kenyon Martin for example?)

waste of $. we are already over the cap.

as terrible as collins is, at least he is able to play. would rather have a player that can actually play.  the guy has been an injury prone bust since college

at this point Collins is much more of a waste of money. He will never help us win a championship, at least there is some chance Oden could do that in future.

Collins made sense before the Rondo and Sullinger injuries, now he's totally useless. We need to spend money and roster spots on prospects.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: dark_lord on February 02, 2013, 04:30:23 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt

What's the drawback even if in the worst case he gets injured? We are not contenders this year anymore, so would you prefer using one of the open roster spots on a guy who might develop into a future building block (Oden) or a guy who will is washed up (Kenyon Martin for example?)

waste of $. we are already over the cap.

as terrible as collins is, at least he is able to play. would rather have a player that can actually play.  the guy has been an injury prone bust since college

at this point Collins is much more of a waste of money. He will never help us win a championship, at least there is some chance Oden could do that in future.

Collins made sense before the Rondo and Sullinger injuries, now he's totally useless. We need to spend money and roster spots on prospects.

how in the world can u say oden can at least give us a chance??  he is always hurt.  face it, the dude is a bust due to injuries. give me a steimsma type player any day of the week over oden
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 04:34:24 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt

What's the drawback even if in the worst case he gets injured? We are not contenders this year anymore, so would you prefer using one of the open roster spots on a guy who might develop into a future building block (Oden) or a guy who will is washed up (Kenyon Martin for example?)

waste of $. we are already over the cap.

as terrible as collins is, at least he is able to play. would rather have a player that can actually play.  the guy has been an injury prone bust since college

at this point Collins is much more of a waste of money. He will never help us win a championship, at least there is some chance Oden could do that in future.

Collins made sense before the Rondo and Sullinger injuries, now he's totally useless. We need to spend money and roster spots on prospects.

how in the world can u say oden can at least give us a chance??  he is always hurt.  face it, the dude is a bust due to injuries. give me a steimsma type player any day of the week over oden

Steimsma's and Collins' are useless when you have no stars for them to support. Oden didn't have his leg cut off or anything, he will be back in the NBA. The question is what does he have left in terms of athleticism. Players are recovering from knee surgeries much better nowadays. Look at Rubio, Shumpert, Rose, etc. Oden has as much of a chance or more of being a key player on a good team as Andrew Bynum does.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: Cman on February 02, 2013, 04:34:38 PM
I don't really see this as big news.

The Cs are keeping tabs on a player who has potential, but has been in and out of b-ball for a while bc of injuries. Many teams are keeping tabs on said player.

Would he help us much this year? Doubtful, but enough potential there to kick the tires...

EDIT: put differently, signing Oden this year is not going to be the difference between a championship run or not, but its just smart business to keep apprised of players out there on the FA market.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: crownontherocks on February 02, 2013, 04:38:44 PM

The Celtics have met with free agent Greg Oden about a contract.
"We wanted to talk to Greg to see where he is physically," Danny Ainge said. The Celtics are extremely thin in their frontcourt with the loss of Jared Sullinger (back) for the season and even Jason Collins saw 11 minutes of action. Nothing is imminent and owners should just wait and see if anything develops.

Source: Boston Herald Feb 2 - 3:44 PM
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: rondohondo on February 02, 2013, 04:42:11 PM
(http://redsarmy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Oden.jpg)

Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 04:44:46 PM
(http://redsarmy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Oden.jpg)

How did his knees look? Did you have him do lateral cuts?
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: dark_lord on February 02, 2013, 04:49:14 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt

What's the drawback even if in the worst case he gets injured? We are not contenders this year anymore, so would you prefer using one of the open roster spots on a guy who might develop into a future building block (Oden) or a guy who will is washed up (Kenyon Martin for example?)

waste of $. we are already over the cap.

as terrible as collins is, at least he is able to play. would rather have a player that can actually play.  the guy has been an injury prone bust since college

at this point Collins is much more of a waste of money. He will never help us win a championship, at least there is some chance Oden could do that in future.

Collins made sense before the Rondo and Sullinger injuries, now he's totally useless. We need to spend money and roster spots on prospects.

how in the world can u say oden can at least give us a chance??  he is always hurt.  face it, the dude is a bust due to injuries. give me a steimsma type player any day of the week over oden

Steimsma's and Collins' are useless when you have no stars for them to support. Oden didn't have his leg cut off or anything, he will be back in the NBA. The question is what does he have left in terms of athleticism. Players are recovering from knee surgeries much better nowadays. Look at Rubio, Shumpert, Rose, etc. Oden has as much of a chance or more of being a key player on a good team as Andrew Bynum does.

if ur willing to pay guaranteed millions of dollars on a guy who has been hurt his entire career, so be it.  not me, i will pass.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: dark_lord on February 02, 2013, 04:50:25 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt

What's the drawback even if in the worst case he gets injured? We are not contenders this year anymore, so would you prefer using one of the open roster spots on a guy who might develop into a future building block (Oden) or a guy who will is washed up (Kenyon Martin for example?)

waste of $. we are already over the cap.

what do you care? you're not paying his salary lol

i care because it could hurt us in the long run.  obviously im not paying his salary, duh!
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: rondohondo on February 02, 2013, 04:52:28 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt

What's the drawback even if in the worst case he gets injured? We are not contenders this year anymore, so would you prefer using one of the open roster spots on a guy who might develop into a future building block (Oden) or a guy who will is washed up (Kenyon Martin for example?)

waste of $. we are already over the cap.

what do you care? you're not paying his salary lol

i care because it could hurt us in the long run.  obviously im not paying his salary, duh!

how does a vet min contract hurt us in the long run?
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 02, 2013, 04:54:40 PM
greg oden is worth the risk. Saying he's always injured is ridiculous. Ilgauskas was always injured at one point in his career, and then he never got injured again.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: dark_lord on February 02, 2013, 04:55:37 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt

What's the drawback even if in the worst case he gets injured? We are not contenders this year anymore, so would you prefer using one of the open roster spots on a guy who might develop into a future building block (Oden) or a guy who will is washed up (Kenyon Martin for example?)

waste of $. we are already over the cap.

what do you care? you're not paying his salary lol

i care because it could hurt us in the long run.  obviously im not paying his salary, duh!

how does a vet min contract hurt us in the future?

i would only do it if it werent garunteed, which oden would never do. it hurts bc its $ we could invest someplace else. it hurts bc it could take a roster spot from someone else. it hurts bc if he gets hurt, its $ money down the drain (when we are over the cap already).

if u would do it, so be it. we have different opinions.  the guy is just a waste of $, time, and space imo bc he will get hurt
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: dark_lord on February 02, 2013, 04:56:48 PM
greg oden is worth the risk. Saying he's always injured is ridiculous.

ok, how is this:

"he has NEVER been healthy"
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 05:00:47 PM
greg oden is worth the risk. Saying he's always injured is ridiculous.

ok, how is this:

"he has NEVER been healthy"

he was healthy in college, so that's false
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: OsirusCeltics on February 02, 2013, 05:00:52 PM
greg oden is worth the risk. Saying he's always injured is ridiculous.

ok, how is this:

"he has NEVER been healthy"

Hahahahaha
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 02, 2013, 05:00:59 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt

What's the drawback even if in the worst case he gets injured? We are not contenders this year anymore, so would you prefer using one of the open roster spots on a guy who might develop into a future building block (Oden) or a guy who will is washed up (Kenyon Martin for example?)

waste of $. we are already over the cap.

what do you care? you're not paying his salary lol

i care because it could hurt us in the long run.  obviously im not paying his salary, duh!

how does a vet min contract hurt us in the future?

i would only do it if it werent garunteed, which oden would never do. it hurts bc its $ we could invest someplace else. it hurts bc it could take a roster spot from someone else. it hurts bc if he gets hurt, its $ money down the drain (when we are over the cap already).

if u would do it, so be it. we have different opinions.  the guy is just a waste of $, time, and space imo bc he will get hurt
there are 15 roster spots on a team, and teams in the playoffs normally go through 8-9 man rotations in the playoffs. Whats wrong with rolling the dice on someone who can potetially change the game?

Id rather have injured greg oden on my team rather than a healthy jarvis varnado, but thats just me.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: dark_lord on February 02, 2013, 05:02:49 PM
greg oden is worth the risk. Saying he's always injured is ridiculous.

ok, how is this:

"he has NEVER been healthy"

he was healthy in college, so that's false

ok......hows this:

"he has NEVER been healthy as a pro" ::)

Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: dark_lord on February 02, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt

What's the drawback even if in the worst case he gets injured? We are not contenders this year anymore, so would you prefer using one of the open roster spots on a guy who might develop into a future building block (Oden) or a guy who will is washed up (Kenyon Martin for example?)

waste of $. we are already over the cap.

what do you care? you're not paying his salary lol

i care because it could hurt us in the long run.  obviously im not paying his salary, duh!

how does a vet min contract hurt us in the future?

i would only do it if it werent garunteed, which oden would never do. it hurts bc its $ we could invest someplace else. it hurts bc it could take a roster spot from someone else. it hurts bc if he gets hurt, its $ money down the drain (when we are over the cap already).

if u would do it, so be it. we have different opinions.  the guy is just a waste of $, time, and space imo bc he will get hurt
there are 15 roster spots on a team, and teams in the playoffs normally go through 8-9 man rotations in the playoffs. Whats wrong with rolling the dice on someone who can potetially change the game?

Id rather have injured greg oden on my team rather than a healthy jarvis varnado, but thats just me.

agree to disagree
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 05:04:01 PM
easy pass. he will get hurt

What's the drawback even if in the worst case he gets injured? We are not contenders this year anymore, so would you prefer using one of the open roster spots on a guy who might develop into a future building block (Oden) or a guy who will is washed up (Kenyon Martin for example?)

waste of $. we are already over the cap.

what do you care? you're not paying his salary lol

i care because it could hurt us in the long run.  obviously im not paying his salary, duh!

how does a vet min contract hurt us in the future?

i would only do it if it werent garunteed, which oden would never do. it hurts bc its $ we could invest someplace else. it hurts bc it could take a roster spot from someone else. it hurts bc if he gets hurt, its $ money down the drain (when we are over the cap already).

if u would do it, so be it. we have different opinions.  the guy is just a waste of $, time, and space imo bc he will get hurt
there are 15 roster spots on a team, and teams in the playoffs normally go through 8-9 man rotations in the playoffs. Whats wrong with rolling the dice on someone who can potetially change the game?

Id rather have injured greg oden on my team rather than a healthy jarvis varnado, but thats just me.

the Heat would reportedly dump Birdman or Varnado to sign Oden, and they are contenders who would use that spot on a guy who won't play this year, so it's not just you
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 02, 2013, 05:08:04 PM
I say sign him up.  This can only help.

What's a negative to signing Oden?
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: OttawaCeltic on February 02, 2013, 05:16:42 PM
YES AINGE!
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 02, 2013, 05:20:03 PM
There is absolutely no down side to a deal like this. We are under the hard tax and have room. It would make us a tax payer, but when KG and Pierce retire we won't be tax payers anyway so we won't be a repeat offender.

A lot of players signed for the vet min never see the court. Iff he gets hurt he is still worth the risk, because the reward is so much greater than any other vet min you would see.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: wdleehi on February 02, 2013, 05:20:48 PM
If the Celtics can sign him it would be a good gamble.  Seven footers with skills are not easy to find.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: Snakehead on February 02, 2013, 06:00:46 PM
As others have said, so worth the gamble.

I think you're looking at the league's best defensive center if healthy and one of its best rebounding ones.  There's a ceiling for more as well.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on February 02, 2013, 06:13:05 PM
greg oden is worth the risk. Saying he's always injured is ridiculous.

ok, how is this:

"he has NEVER been healthy"

he was healthy in college, so that's false

You and I seem to remember different realities about Oden's college career. He had a thumb injury half the season. :P

But I agree, Oden on a minimum contract is an objectively great move. Even if he never plays another minute in the NBA, he's worth risking the minimum for.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: JSD on February 02, 2013, 06:27:48 PM
I might be a little late but it's confirmed:

A. Sherrod Blakely: #Celticstalk: The rumor is true. The #Celtics did meet with Greg Oden today in Waltham. More to come on #CSNNE.com. Twitter @SherrodbCSN

Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: TripleOT on February 02, 2013, 06:33:26 PM
I don't know if Oden and Sully are friends, since there was a half decade of time between their Ohio State careers, but Oden and Courtney Lee are both from Indianapolis and both played together in the summers in Indy.

http://thebreakdownshow.com/the-indy-magnificent-7-their-true-hardwood-heaven-story

Oden is going to sign with an organization that can give him the nest shot to get healthy enough to have an NBA career.  Boston has had a lot of medical issues lately, and they've successfully handled them (although heart issues are a lot different than knee injuries).  It can't hurt that the Cs stood by Jeff Green when his career was in jeopardy, and then took a big leap of faith to sign him to a big contract without even seeing him play a minute after his open heart surgery. 

Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: action781 on February 02, 2013, 06:48:56 PM
greg oden is worth the risk. Saying he's always injured is ridiculous.

ok, how is this:

"he has NEVER been healthy"

he was healthy in college, so that's false

Wasn't he limited by a wrist or elbow injury in college?
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: erisred on February 02, 2013, 07:19:18 PM

The Celtics have met with free agent Greg Oden about a contract.
"We wanted to talk to Greg to see where he is physically," Danny Ainge said. The Celtics are extremely thin in their frontcourt with the loss of Jared Sullinger (back) for the season and even Jason Collins saw 11 minutes of action. Nothing is imminent and owners should just wait and see if anything develops.

Source: Boston Herald Feb 2 - 3:44 PM
Even if signed he wouldn't play this year. Oden is still rehabbing. If signed it would be with an eye for next year, no matter the team.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: crownontherocks on February 02, 2013, 07:26:32 PM
The Celtics, reeling from season-ending injuries to two players in the last week, spent Saturday meeting with Greg Oden to find out where the oft-injured seven-footer stands in his own rehabilitation.

CSNNE.com reports Celtics president Danny Ainge’s characterization of the meeting.

“It was just a chance to get to know Greg a little better,” Ainge, president of basketball operations, told CSNNE.com on Saturday. “We meet with free agents all the time.”

“It was a good conversation,” said Ainge, who added that no contract offer was made to Oden. “When he has been healthy, he has been a good player in our league. Like I said, this was just a chance for us to get to know him better. That’s all.”

The Boston Herald adds more from Ainge.

“We wanted to talk to Greg to see where he is physically,” Ainge said.

“We’re just finding out as much as we can and letting Greg know what we have here,” said Ainge. “He’s not ready to play now, but he’s someone who’s very interesting.”

Oden, 25, is an unrestricted free agent after he was released by the Blazers last year. He is currently rehabilitating from multiple knee surgeries in February 2012, including a second microfracture surgery on his left knee and arthroscopic surgery on his right knee. The Associated Press reported recently that Oden said that his goal is to be ready for the 2013-14 season.

The No. 1 pick in the 2007 NBA Draft has not played in an NBA game since Dec. 5, 2009. Still, he’s drawn interest in recent weeks from a number of teams, including the Spurs, Hornets, Bobcats, Pacers and Mavericks, according to ESPN.com. The Heat have been linked to interest in Oden for years and Oden’s agent, Mike Conley Sr., told Fox Sports Florida recently that there is mutual interest. The Cavaliers have also been linked to Oden in a number of reports, including one by the Akron Beacon Journal this week.

Prior to his round of surgeries in April 2012, Oden also had left knee surgery in 2009 after fracturing his patella, microfracture surgery on his left knee in 2010 to address a “defect” that occurred during non-contact rehabilitation work and a microfracture surgery on his right knee in 2007. Oden also reportedly underwent Orthokine injections on both knees back in May 2012.

There are plenty of reasons to be skeptical of an Oden comeback: he was never consistently healthy during his four-plus seasons in Portland, microfracture surgeries are major surgeries, and he developed blood clots in his left ankle that were considered serious enough to delay his February 2012 surgery. Most [dang]ing, Blazers executives admitted following his latest surgeries that Oden was never cleared for full-contact, five-on-five play at any point following his 2009 fractured patella and that significant swelling and pain prevented him from advancing in his rehabilitation work.


http://nba.si.com/2013/02/02/greg-oden-celtics-boston-danny-ainge-meeting-blazers/
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2013, 07:29:08 PM
they forgot to mention his drinking problem:

http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/greg_oden_admits_to_drinking_problem_plans_to_skip_next_year_of_playing_basketball/10757624

Vin Baker-esque

"When I played well, I'd drink to celebrate. And when I played poorly, I'd drink to forget. That second year in Portland I pretty much became an alcoholic."
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 02, 2013, 07:33:20 PM
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Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: erisred on February 02, 2013, 07:34:26 PM
greg oden is worth the risk. Saying he's always injured is ridiculous.

ok, how is this:

"he has NEVER been healthy"

he was healthy in college, so that's false

Wasn't he limited by a wrist or elbow injury in college?
Yes, he was a one handed player half his freshman year. I remember him shooting fts with his left hand in a game on tv back then.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: Chief Macho on February 02, 2013, 09:29:53 PM
its a waste of time.  he'll never stay on the court. 
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: OttawaCeltic on February 02, 2013, 10:36:49 PM
its a waste of time.  he'll never stay on the court.

Are you a Celtic fan? Cause we all know our lesson from KG: "Anything is Possible!"
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: esel1000 on February 02, 2013, 10:39:59 PM
man if he signs here and can somehow stay healthy... what a steal. key words... stay healthy
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 02, 2013, 10:42:04 PM
Yea, I saw him there!
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: Mr Green on February 02, 2013, 11:39:21 PM
For a potential win-win scenario, Danny could try to convince Oden to sign with the Red Claws for the remainder of this season, then if his rehab goes better than expected he can talk about signing a contract with the Cs during the next NBA pre-season.

Personally, I think Oden's career is over.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: saltlover on February 03, 2013, 10:11:09 AM
I would have zero problem if the Celtics offered him the full (pro-rated for this year) Bi-Annual.  This is for several reasons:

1)The Celtics are already over the soft cap level, so the only players they can sign are with the BAE or minimum contracts.  The history of released players we add in late Feb or March helping us pretty low, and really non-existent since 2008.  So no point in saving the BAE to wait for someone next month.

2) The Celtics may be too near the hard-cap next off-season to offer the BAE to anyone, so it's now or never with that exception.  (I don't completely subscribe to this belief completely, which is why I say "may."  Many/most articles I've seen take it as fact, because they think next year's cap will be the same as this year's.  I think it could rise substantially.)

3) While it's not my money, the BAE isn't that much, relative to other contracts.  It would be a shade over $2 million next season, which would make him our 9th or 10th highest paid player.  If he were able to come in and be our 4th big in the rotation, that would be quite valuable, and not the same expectation as him being a starter.

4) If he were able to give us more than 10 quality minutes a game, the BAE would be a bargain.  Furthermore, we would have Early Bird rights in the 2014 offseason.  If he were able to give us 15-20 minutes of quality play, we could potentially offer him enough to keep him here long-term.  Alternatively, we could potentially get something for him in a sign-and-trade if we didn't want to keep him (because he didn't pan out) but someone else wanted to take the risk for 2014-2015.  (Someone else likely will.)

5) If he has a stellar year, we're not keeping him beyond 2014, because he'll then sign a sizable contract somewhere else.  But we'll clearly have gotten our money's worth.

Really, the downside is relatively low (a couple million dollars (again, not my money, I know) that we otherwise wouldn't have been able to spend) for a player who doesn't contribute that much.  The upside ranges from useful rotation player to the center we've longed for since Perk got hurt.

NB: We'd probably have to wait until the beginning of March for the pro-rated number to fall a little bit more to fit both Oden and another March signee under the hard cap, such that Oden would be paid about $1.3 mil this season.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: OmarSekou on February 03, 2013, 01:26:56 PM
Bring in a couple of back/leg specialists. Let Rondo, Oden, and Sully relax next year. Go to the lottery and take our chances.
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 03, 2013, 01:29:53 PM
For a potential win-win scenario, Danny could try to convince Oden to sign with the Red Claws for the remainder of this season, then if his rehab goes better than expected he can talk about signing a contract with the Cs during the next NBA pre-season.

Personally, I think Oden's career is over.
oden is not playing this season. and oden wouldnt be in the d-league where they would try to injure him
Title: Re: Greg Oden spotted in Waltham?
Post by: Roy H. on February 03, 2013, 02:05:17 PM
For a potential win-win scenario, Danny could try to convince Oden to sign with the Red Claws for the remainder of this season, then if his rehab goes better than expected he can talk about signing a contract with the Cs during the next NBA pre-season.

Personally, I think Oden's career is over.
oden is not playing this season. and oden wouldnt be in the d-league where they would try to injure him

I don't know if players would try to injure him.  However, I don't think the risk vs. reward for a $25k or so salary would be worth it.