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Title: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: sinbad on February 02, 2013, 02:21:19 AM
1-Brooklyn 11-4
2-Chicago 10-5
3-Boston 9-6
3-Miami 9-6
3-Indiana 9-6
6-New York 8-7
6-Milwaukee 8-7
6-Detroit 8-7
9-Washington 7-8
10-Atlanta 6-9
10-Cleveland 6-9
10-Philadelphia 6-9
13-Toronto 5-10
14-Charlotte 4-11
15-Oralndo 2-13

I know it'll be tougher going forward without Rondo and Sully but it hasn't been all that bad. For what its worth, the last 15 games coincides around the time of Bradley's return
 
Couple of interesting observations.

* If we continue to win 9 out of every 15 games we'll go 22-14 the rest of the way to finish 45-37. This will probably be good enough to get us out of the 8 seed.

* New York is barely a .500 team in that span and you could take it a bit further. They started the year 18-5 and have been 11-10 since. If they continue to play .500 ball they will finish with a 47-35 record.

* Brooklyn has been rolling and they could end up catching the Knicks

* If Miami is monitoring playoff seedings, the last thing they want to see as the #1 seed is a proud Boston team at #8, and a Derrick Rose led Chicago at #4. Something tells me the Heat would prefer to see Milwaukee at #8 and Brooklyn at #4.

* During that 15 game span, The Cs are limiting teams to 91.6 ppg. Only Indiana and Chicago are better (89.7 ppg) If anything, we have finally gotten back to playing championship caliber defense

* Suddenly that Detroit loss a couple of weeks ago doesn't look so bad. The Pistons are 8-7 in their last 15 games.
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 02, 2013, 02:38:09 AM
Yeah, if only we could erase all of the games before this 15 game span then maybe this thread would mean something.  ;)
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: PhoSita on February 02, 2013, 03:13:23 AM
I don't consider anything less than a 20 game sample to be big enough to draw conclusions.
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: LB3533 on February 02, 2013, 05:16:56 AM
1-Brooklyn 11-4
2-Chicago 10-5
3-Boston 9-6
3-Miami 9-6
3-Indiana 9-6
6-New York 8-7
6-Milwaukee 8-7
6-Detroit 8-7
9-Washington 7-8
10-Atlanta 6-9
10-Cleveland 6-9
10-Philadelphia 6-9
13-Toronto 5-10
14-Charlotte 4-11
15-Oralndo 2-13

I know it'll be tougher going forward without Rondo and Sully but it hasn't been all that bad. For what its worth, the last 15 games coincides around the time of Bradley's return
 
Couple of interesting observations.

* If we continue to win 9 out of every 15 games we'll go 22-14 the rest of the way to finish 45-37. This will probably be good enough to get us out of the 8 seed.

* New York is barely a .500 team in that span and you could take it a bit further. They started the year 18-5 and have been 11-10 since. If they continue to play .500 ball they will finish with a 47-35 record.

* Brooklyn has been rolling and they could end up catching the Knicks

* If Miami is monitoring playoff seedings, the last thing they want to see as the #1 seed is a proud Boston team at #8, and a Derrick Rose led Chicago at #4. Something tells me the Heat would prefer to see Milwaukee at #8 and Brooklyn at #4.

* During that 15 game span, The Cs are limiting teams to 91.6 ppg. Only Indiana and Chicago are better (89.7 ppg) If anything, we have finally gotten back to playing championship caliber defense

* Suddenly that Detroit loss a couple of weeks ago doesn't look so bad. The Pistons are 8-7 in their last 15 games.


Thanks for the research and insight. Tp!

I think if we can continue to play like this, and get the most out of our teams talent, we could possibly still win the Atlantic.

Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: Kiorrik on February 02, 2013, 06:18:42 AM
Wow @ negative attitude towards the opening poster. What the heck is wrong with you people?

I found the info pretty interesting. Yes, you take it with a grain of salt. Someone, however, put some time into getting some interesting statistics, so the least you can do is show a little appreciation.

That said, I like where Boston is going, but basketball is a game of runs, through-and-through, so we might go on a bad stretch sooner or later again. I hope not, but it's possible. At the very least though, it shows that we're *capable* of runs again, and the defensive stats are the ones that stood out to me as the most telling ones.

Cheers for posting these.
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: alajet on February 02, 2013, 06:26:23 AM
A few thoughts:

*Brooklyn has improved. They are yet to match up with Miami by any means and they struggle against them, but they are playing better overall.

*Chicago is silently having another great season with Rose.

*Detroit has steadied the ship considerably. Washington, while not as strong as Detroit, made a move forward.

*Toronto, after trading for Gay, and getting Bargnani back from injury (he can't play any worse than he did pre-injury) will not be as easy to get past.

*Philadelphia amongst the playoff contenders and Orlando amongst the bottom ranked teams are struggling (regardless of the record, though, their record also reflected their issues perfectly in that span).

Without Rondo, it won't be easy to make gigantic leaps, but I'm more concerned about the Captain here. He is needed to carry even more of a load now, as not only the go-to scorer, but also the facilitator, so, I hope he doesn't get burned down through regular season.
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: Who on February 02, 2013, 10:05:59 AM
I think a lot of New York's struggles came about because of the loss of Raymond Felton. Their offense has looked really poor without his dribble penetration and drive and kick game. Very stagnant. Shooters not getting as many quality looks as they did earlier in the season.

With Felton coming back now, I think New York will slowly ramp up as he gets into shape and they rebuild chemistry and will finish the season strongly. 
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: relja on February 02, 2013, 10:26:59 AM
I know the Clipper are w/o CP3 but it scared me how easy the Raptors dismantled them. Gay makes them dangeorous and even more athletic.
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: ACF on February 02, 2013, 11:11:25 AM
TP for the breakdown.
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: Redz on February 02, 2013, 11:15:37 AM
How we looking over the last nine?
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: CelticG1 on February 02, 2013, 11:56:32 AM
I think a lot of New York's struggles came about because of the loss of Raymond Felton. Their offense has looked really poor without his dribble penetration and drive and kick game. Very stagnant. Shooters not getting as many quality looks as they did earlier in the season.

With Felton coming back now, I think New York will slowly ramp up as he gets into shape and they rebuild chemistry and will finish the season strongly.

Plus you'd think integrating Amare and Shumpert should help as well.
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: PhoSita on February 02, 2013, 12:03:03 PM
Wow @ negative attitude towards the opening poster. What the heck is wrong with you people?


I'm not trying to have a negative attitude, I just don't think it means much to look at the record for the conference over the last 15 games. 
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: erisred on February 02, 2013, 12:13:10 PM
How we looking over the last nine?

Might as well ask how we're looking over three last 3?

I'm just taking it game by game.

Edit: Oh, but TPs for the work from the op and the one doing the analyses.
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: BballTim on February 02, 2013, 12:26:35 PM
How we looking over the last nine?

  I agree, but I'd rather have a streaky team than a constantly middle of the pack team, there's always a chance you'll get hot at around the same time.
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 02, 2013, 12:39:31 PM
Wow @ negative attitude towards the opening poster. What the heck is wrong with you people?


I'm not trying to have a negative attitude, I just don't think it means much to look at the record for the conference over the last 15 games.

THIS ^
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: mgent on February 02, 2013, 01:06:03 PM
I think a lot of New York's struggles came about because of the loss of Raymond Felton. Their offense has looked really poor without his dribble penetration and drive and kick game. Very stagnant. Shooters not getting as many quality looks as they did earlier in the season.

With Felton coming back now, I think New York will slowly ramp up as he gets into shape and they rebuild chemistry and will finish the season strongly.
I don't care how quality the looks are, no team is going to continue shooting 48% from behind the arc.  Plus they were taking and making a lot of contested shots anyway (Melo and Smith at least).
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: Who on February 02, 2013, 01:17:35 PM
I think a lot of New York's struggles came about because of the loss of Raymond Felton. Their offense has looked really poor without his dribble penetration and drive and kick game. Very stagnant. Shooters not getting as many quality looks as they did earlier in the season.

With Felton coming back now, I think New York will slowly ramp up as he gets into shape and they rebuild chemistry and will finish the season strongly.
I don't care how quality the looks are, no team is going to continue shooting 48% from behind the arc.  Plus they were taking and making a lot of contested shots anyway (Melo and Smith at least).
I agree. That was unsustainable.

They will shoot a lot better than they have been lately though. simply because they'll generate better quality looks at the basket than they have been able to get without Felton.

Too much one-on-one basketball in front of a set defense the last few weeks.
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: Redz on February 02, 2013, 01:58:57 PM
How we looking over the last nine?

Might as well ask how we're looking over three last 3?


Best in the league  ;)

All you really have to do is play a game over .500 for four 7 game stretches in the spring and you're champs.  Simply enough,right?
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on February 02, 2013, 02:26:10 PM
Wow @ negative attitude towards the opening poster. What the heck is wrong with you people?

I found the info pretty interesting. Yes, you take it with a grain of salt. Someone, however, put some time into getting some interesting statistics, so the least you can do is show a little appreciation.

Cheers for posting these.

I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: j804 on February 02, 2013, 02:32:26 PM
I like us against anybody out east. We will be a problem in the playoffs Rondo or no Rondo and will upset somebody be it NY or the Heat. 
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 02, 2013, 02:46:48 PM
How we looking over the last nine?

Haha.
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: KGs Knee on February 02, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
Expand this to the last 20 games and we're 10-10.

Expand this to the last 25 games and we're 11-14.

Narrow this to the last 10 games and we're 4-6.

Cherry-picking stats is fun!
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: KGs Knee on February 02, 2013, 03:13:43 PM
Bottom line is we're a .500 team and pretty much have been all season.
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: crimson_stallion on February 02, 2013, 03:29:53 PM
The difference is that this coincides with the time we got AB back, and to me that means something because over that stretch we have clearly improved defensively, and have been back to playing championship level defense.

We've had offensive struggles in between but we did last year as well.  Fact is, as long as we play elite level defense we give ourselves a chance to beat anybody.

Our offense seems to be clicking without Rondo as well (better spread of scoring) and I believe were something like 4-1 now in games played without Rondo this season.  Our defense has been suffocating with AB and Lee starting together in the backcourt, and Terry, Green, Barbosa and Lee all look more active offensively when they are given a chance to be more involved in offense.

Call me crazy, but I feel like even Pierce, KG and Bass have been playing with a stronger sense of urgency since Rondo went down. 

Sometimes adversity brings people together, and being underestimated makes a group want to get together and prove their doubters wrong.  With Rondo these guys probably feel less needed, but without him they are probably conscious of the fact that they need to put every bit of effort in if they want to win games.  Plus they probably know being traded is a higher risk now than ever if they don't pull their weight.

Either way we've been much better team since Bradley's return (one or two of our losses in that stretch were without him) and after one little 3 game streak were right back to .500 again. 

Lets have some faith people - our guys have gone further with less in the past!

P.s. TP to the original poster for these stats!
Title: Re: East Conference standings last 15 games
Post by: cman88 on February 02, 2013, 04:01:52 PM
eh, its all about how the teams are trending at the moment. and I would say right now we are trending up. The team is playing some quality basketball right now on both sides of the ball. and if we keep it up they wont remain in the 8th seed for long.

the reason I still give the C's a fighting chance in the playoffs honestly is because even without Rondo we have guys like Pierce/Garnett/Terry..all guys who can hit the big shots and shine on the brightest stages and produce offense in bunches when we need it.

also, our starting back-court of Bradley/Lee is probably one of the scariest defensively in the league IMO

compare that to someone like Chicago....without D.rose who do you have faith in creating offense when its needed and hit big shots?

these are guys with big game experience..and they wont go away quietly