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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: ScottHow on February 01, 2013, 10:16:09 PM
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When I first heard about Sully I was so bummed and worried about his long term future as a Celtic.
But from what I understood from pregame live the Celtics knew he was eventually going to need this at some point to correct it. And he can actually come out of this "fixed" and have a longer healthier career.
Did anyone else hear it this way, or am I trying to put way to much positive spin on this crappy situation?
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yea I heard the same thing too, but still skeptical . The only good thing is Sully is used to using his IQ and strong body, and not athleticism .
By the way in the pre game show Tanguay said he wants Sully to lose 25 lbs. He thinks he has so much skill that he can still be effective 25lbs less. Donny was disagreeing , saying it would affect his game too much .
What do you guys think ?
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it would affect his game because like big baby, they use their weight for positioning and boxing out.
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I wouldn't say 25 lbs, but 10-15 would do wonders in my opinion. That's less weight on his back, would make him more explosive, quicker on second jumps, help his conditioning so he could play at a high level longer, and make his postional defense even better.
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I wouldn't say 25 lbs, but 10-15 would do wonders in my opinion. That's less weight on his back, would make him more explosive, quicker on second jumps, help his conditioning so he could play at a high level longer, and make his postional defense even better.
And soon enough, we'll have Brandon Bass v2.0!
But I think he needs weight somehow. Hm. Lose 15 would be good.
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yea I heard the same thing too, but still skeptical . The only good thing is Sully is used to using his IQ and strong body, and not athleticism .
By the way in the pre game show Tanguay said he wants Sully to lose 25 lbs. He thinks he has so much skill that he can still be effective 25lbs less. Donny was disagreeing , saying it would affect his game too much .
What do you guys think ?
I agree with Tanguay. He should drop 25 pounds, and then add muscle weight. He should take cues from David Lee and Kevin Love. And delete Glen Davis' number if he has it
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yea I heard the same thing too, but still skeptical . The only good thing is Sully is used to using his IQ and strong body, and not athleticism .
By the way in the pre game show Tanguay said he wants Sully to lose 25 lbs. He thinks he has so much skill that he can still be effective 25lbs less. Donny was disagreeing , saying it would affect his game too much .
What do you guys think ?
His large frame is part of his game, if he's going to lose some pounds it should not be more than 10. He seems fine workung with the large body, 10 pounds should be enough.
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i think he just needs to put on solid muscle
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Losing 25 completely, yes that would affect his game. Losing 25 pounds of fat (which he certainly has to lose, and adding 10 pounds of lean muscle would do him wonders. It would help his back to no end. Especially with the amount of core strengthening he is going to be doing over the next 9 months
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i fully expect sully to be the incredible hulk next season.
could you imagine a muscular and leaner sullinger with a stronger core.
great hands, soft touch, big backside to box out with.
and plays like an 80's bigman.
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I don't think people understand that Sullinger has 10% body fat. What's your body fat percentage?
If Sullinger lost 25 pounds, that would include a significant amount of muscle. He's not a great athlete. Sully has to have size down low to do what he does. If he lost a bunch of weight it would seriously hurt his game. More than the potential added agility or lift would help it.
Losing weight for big bruisers is not always a good thing. Look how much it helped Perk to lose a ton of weight (not one bit).
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I wouldn't say 25 lbs, but 10-15 would do wonders in my opinion. That's less weight on his back, would make him more explosive, quicker on second jumps, help his conditioning so he could play at a high level longer, and make his postional defense even better.
And soon enough, we'll have Brandon Bass v2.0!
But I think he needs weight somehow. Hm. Lose 15 would be good.
Sully has way higher iq than bass so i don't worry bout v2.0.lol but i do agree that he needs to lose weight and gain lean muscles instead.
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He seems very strong. He's not cut up but I'm sure he has plenty of muscle under his flab. I wouldn't mind him taking off 7-10 lbs of fat and then evaluate the results. I'm sure it would help his game. I've never really seen a player get worse from getting in better shape.
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i think he just needs to put on solid muscle
When a professional basketball player has to suck in his stomach for a photo, he's probably got a little fat he could well part with.
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He seems very strong.
He only benched 185 lbs 9 times at the combo that is pathetic. I am sure he is stronger now with pro workouts but when he came here he was big but not strong. Some guys know how to use their butt and their body. He does have that in spades. I do think he has the potential to be very strong and the best is yet to come. Guys can play strong without being strong. Sully has foot work and positioning so he plays much stronger than what he is folks.
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I had noticed the pat several weeks Sully had put on weight and seemed to move slower and less effective.the effort was there, but I guess he was hurting. And keeping it to himself and inside the locker room.
Sully really needs to trim down and hit the weights...........
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Sully needs to lose some abdominal fat and strengthen up his core. He's transitioning from fat kid to pro athlete.
Sully is listed at 280 pounds. I don't believe he's at 10% body fat. I'm guessing he's at around 13%. That would give him around 37 pounds of fat on his body and 243 pounds of lean mass.
If he can get to 6%, that would be a weight of around 260 pounds, with 15 pounds of fat and 245 of lean mass. I'd rather have him at 270 with 255 of lean mass and 15 pounds of fat, something he should be able to do in a year, with the right diet and exercise (assuming he can exercise within a couple of months after the surgery).
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Its now official, just like Bradley, Sully will have nagging injuries for the rest of his career... But I still dont want Ainge to trade them
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I missed that Sully already had surgery. (http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/02/04/jared-sullinger-agent-celtics-understood-rookie-eventually-would-need-surgery/X3Vukz1e3gU5BWJUa1GrRN/story.html) Sounds like it went well, which is great news.
Feel like slapping Falk for this though ... “The Celtics knew when they drafted him there was a certain level of risk that required surgery, as did several other teams,” said Falk. “Some teams treated it like he was going to have a heart attack or something. [The Celtics’] Brian McKeon is one of the most confident team doctors I’ve ever dealt with. There were so secrets, nobody was trying to hide any facts. There was a possibility that he could require surgery, but the recovery time is less than an ACL.”
Don't joke about heart conditions for any Celtics player dude.
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I had noticed the pat several weeks Sully had put on weight and seemed to move slower and less effective.the effort was there, but I guess he was hurting. And keeping it to himself and inside the locker room.
Sully really needs to trim down and hit the weights...........
I hadn't paid attention to him in recent games... and was shocked to see him check in one of those right before the injury. Kid looked nothing like he did in training camp, his rear end was GINORMOUS.
I didn't think he had weight issues at the start of the year, but now he clearly does.
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This stuff is so hard to know, because it could all be spin. We do know this was a known issue, because it was widely publicized before the draft. But as far as whether the surgery can actually fix the problem longterm, it's hard to tell.
If his injury in the first place was something that could have been fixed with a surgery, I don't know why they wouldn't have just done that right away.
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This stuff is so hard to know, because it could all be spin. We do know this was a known issue, because it was widely publicized before the draft. But as far as whether the surgery can actually fix the problem longterm, it's hard to tell.
If his injury in the first place was something that could have been fixed with a surgery, I don't know why they wouldn't have just done that right away.
He's got a disc issue in his back. Once you have surgery for this, my understanding is it's all downhill from there (as in, it never goes away, and you may periodically need operative work again).
So I don't think this is going to fix the issue long-term.
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Bad injury. Tough surgery.
Same surgery as Dwight Howard.
The good thing is he is younger and that really helps. He also barely relies on his athleticism. That's a plus.
I mentioned before that I have had this surgery. Sully will never be able to come back 100% to where he was from an athletic standpoint. Yet, since that wasn't a huge part of his game it's hard to tell how impacted he will be.
I don't expect to see as sever a decline in Sully as we have Dwight.
That being said I would wait until he shows something, and then really think about moving him if you can get a good return. After this surgery he is no where near as untouchable as I thought and I no longer believe him to be Kevin Love 2.0.
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Larry Johnson had a known back injury, and had a very productive career
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Who knows how effective the surgery will be but with a guy like Sully (smart, tough, talented with good character) you hope for the best - he looks green in green banging under the boards.
He's not ripped but he looks like one of those guys who is just naturally really strong and probably never had to lift too hard to be stronger than most of the guys he's faced over his career.
I think if he could trim body fat and get about 10-15 lbs of upper body muscle he could really be a load in the paint. He looks small through the shoulders next to guys like Reggie Evans.
The good thing is, it doesn't appear that he has as long of a way to go as Perkins did when he arrived in the league - Perkins was doughy... Sully has "some cut" to him already.
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I missed that Sully already had surgery. (http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/02/04/jared-sullinger-agent-celtics-understood-rookie-eventually-would-need-surgery/X3Vukz1e3gU5BWJUa1GrRN/story.html) Sounds like it went well, which is great news.
Feel like slapping Falk for this though ... “The Celtics knew when they drafted him there was a certain level of risk that required surgery, as did several other teams,” said Falk. “Some teams treated it like he was going to have a heart attack or something. [The Celtics’] Brian McKeon is one of the most confident team doctors I’ve ever dealt with. There were so secrets, nobody was trying to hide any facts. There was a possibility that he could require surgery, but the recovery time is less than an ACL.”
Don't joke about heart conditions for any Celtics player dude.
Or any, ftm
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Sully is most likely used to playing in pain already. Hopefully he can rework his body , strengthen his core. Most of his game comes from his instinctive skills. Since his game is about brute strength. and positioning , I think he'll be ok. Reduced pain and a better weight and more core strength he could actually play better. Sully is ten times smarter than Howard. Howard 's game was above the rimland dunks.....he looks as if he has maybe 80% of his original lift.
I'm confident Sully will return and will still play well......if he works on his body like he should.
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Been around three or four of these, and you never entirely come back.
With appropriate training - and scrupulous weight management - this deal can be managed, although I've never seen a back surgery athlete go more than five years without some sort of problem.
It certainly isn't good news for a player who looked like he was going to be an outstanding pro.