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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: The Rondo Show on February 01, 2013, 09:46:17 PM
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Anyone notice how much better the spacing has been these last 3 games? Jeff Green seems to really have benefited from it. It seems that since the ball is moving he is getting more touches in space. Thus, he has more opportunities to make plays--especially athletic plays.
It's also great to see him doing more than standing still on the week side to touch the ball one out of every six possessions. If you think about it, it was kind of ridiculous to expect him to make those athletic plays in that role.
Hope to see more of it going forward.
Wishing a speedy recovery to Rondo and Sully
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I've noticed that his whole career.
Iso-ing him works too.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
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He's always been un-aggressive and doesn't like to pick his spots or clear out the court. He plays with the flow, but if the team gives him the side of the floor, he is able to take advantage of it.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
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Anyone notice how much better the spacing has been these last 3 games? Jeff Green seems to really have benefited from it. It seems that since the ball is moving he is getting more touches in space. Thus, he has more opportunities to make plays--especially athletic plays.
It's also great to see him doing more than standing still on the week side to touch the ball one out of every six possessions. If you think about it, it was kind of ridiculous to expect him to make those athletic plays in that role.
Hope to see more of it going forward.
Wishing a speedy recovery to Rondo and Sully
very sad rondo had to get hurt for our offense to start moving the ball and to allow lee and jet to dribble drive. hopefully doc has woken up and seen the light.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
One good team two crappy teams. I love the way we're playing but not enough evidence yet. Lets see how we do against the clippers.
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
what is wrong with beating crappy teams?? last i checked we lost a ton of games to crappy teams all year. at least we are beating them now right? ;D
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
what is wrong with beating crappy teams?? last i checked we lost a ton of games to crappy teams all year. at least we are beating them now right? ;D
True
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
what is wrong with beating crappy teams?? last i checked we lost a ton of games to crappy teams all year. at least we are beating them now right? ;D
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Yes, it is true but they finally realized with the injuries that every game is going to matter when it comes to making the playoffs...they're flat out playing hard...even against crappy teams...before injuries they were collectively sleep walking waiting to turn it on after the all star break in my opinion
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
what is wrong with beating crappy teams?? last i checked we lost a ton of games to crappy teams all year. at least we are beating them now right? ;D
True
Yes, it is true but they finally realized with the injuries that every game is going to matter when it comes to making the playoffs...they're flat out playing hard...even against crappy teams...before injuries they were collectively sleep walking waiting to turn it on after the all star break in my opinion
I think rondo having the ball in his hands 95percent of the time had alot to do with the sleep walking.
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
what is wrong with beating crappy teams?? last i checked we lost a ton of games to crappy teams all year. at least we are beating them now right? ;D
True
Yes, it is true but they finally realized with the injuries that every game is going to matter when it comes to making the playoffs...they're flat out playing hard...even against crappy teams...before injuries they were collectively sleep walking waiting to turn it on after the all star break in my opinion
I think rondo having the ball in his hands 95percent of the time had alot to do with the sleep walking.
bingo
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
what is wrong with beating crappy teams?? last i checked we lost a ton of games to crappy teams all year. at least we are beating them now right? ;D
True
Yes, it is true but they finally realized with the injuries that every game is going to matter when it comes to making the playoffs...they're flat out playing hard...even against crappy teams...before injuries they were collectively sleep walking waiting to turn it on after the all star break in my opinion
I think rondo having the ball in his hands 95percent of the time had alot to do with the sleep walking.
bingo
Thats on doc rivers...if rondo was somehow going against the team and what doc wanted he should have benched...butttt he was doing what he was coached to do.
Im convinced we're worse until we're scouted better and win a playoff series or 2, then you may have a point
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JEFF GREEN IS A TANK.
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
what is wrong with beating crappy teams?? last i checked we lost a ton of games to crappy teams all year. at least we are beating them now right? ;D
True
Yes, it is true but they finally realized with the injuries that every game is going to matter when it comes to making the playoffs...they're flat out playing hard...even against crappy teams...before injuries they were collectively sleep walking waiting to turn it on after the all star break in my opinion
I think rondo having the ball in his hands 95percent of the time had alot to do with the sleep walking.
bingo
Thats on doc rivers...if rondo was somehow going against the team and what doc wanted he should have benched...butttt he was doing what he was coached to do.
Im convinced we're worse until we're scouted better and win a playoff series or 2, then you may have a point
I know, I'm not saying this is rondos fault its docs fault.
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
what is wrong with beating crappy teams?? last i checked we lost a ton of games to crappy teams all year. at least we are beating them now right? ;D
True
Yes, it is true but they finally realized with the injuries that every game is going to matter when it comes to making the playoffs...they're flat out playing hard...even against crappy teams...before injuries they were collectively sleep walking waiting to turn it on after the all star break in my opinion
I think rondo having the ball in his hands 95percent of the time had alot to do with the sleep walking.
bingo
Thats on doc rivers...if rondo was somehow going against the team and what doc wanted he should have benched...butttt he was doing what he was coached to do.
Im convinced we're worse until we're scouted better and win a playoff series or 2, then you may have a point
I know, I'm not saying this is rondos fault its docs fault.
Well Doc suddenly adjusts and coaches the team to do what they shouldve been doing all along...annoying
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
what is wrong with beating crappy teams?? last i checked we lost a ton of games to crappy teams all year. at least we are beating them now right? ;D
True
Yes, it is true but they finally realized with the injuries that every game is going to matter when it comes to making the playoffs...they're flat out playing hard...even against crappy teams...before injuries they were collectively sleep walking waiting to turn it on after the all star break in my opinion
I think rondo having the ball in his hands 95percent of the time had alot to do with the sleep walking.
bingo
Thats on doc rivers...if rondo was somehow going against the team and what doc wanted he should have benched...butttt he was doing what he was coached to do.
Im convinced we're worse until we're scouted better and win a playoff series or 2, then you may have a point
I know, I'm not saying this is rondos fault its docs fault.
Well Doc suddenly adjusts and coaches the team to do what they shouldve been doing all along...annoying
Rondo's ACL (and Sully's back) might have been saved too.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
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I love this - how many of the people here have been saying we play better without Rondo?
All the Rondo fanboys have argued absolutely that this won't happen, and that we will suck and epically fail without Rondo.
Now that Rondo is gone and we are clearly playing better, the Rondo fans turn the blame on to Doc.
Sorry guys but Rondo is out, Doc is still coaching us, and we're playing better.
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
what is wrong with beating crappy teams?? last i checked we lost a ton of games to crappy teams all year. at least we are beating them now right? ;D
True
Yes, it is true but they finally realized with the injuries that every game is going to matter when it comes to making the playoffs...they're flat out playing hard...even against crappy teams...before injuries they were collectively sleep walking waiting to turn it on after the all star break in my opinion
I think rondo having the ball in his hands 95percent of the time had alot to do with the sleep walking.
This!
There were several aggressive drives today which led to scores, which simply wouldn't have happened if Rondo was out there.
Also did anyone notice how much more we are running and scoring on the break without him? Now it's Lee, Barbosa, Terry and Green ALL running and scoring on the break. Basically whoever gets the ball (via rebound or defensive stop) pushes it rather than before, where they would pass it straight to Rondo.
Guys just look like they are having fun out there, rather than standing around falling asleep while they wait for somebody to hopefully pass them the ball.
Special Kudo's to Green for his defense - he's been right up there with Lee and Bradley as out best defensive player this month, no exchageration.
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
what is wrong with beating crappy teams?? last i checked we lost a ton of games to crappy teams all year. at least we are beating them now right? ;D
True
Yes, it is true but they finally realized with the injuries that every game is going to matter when it comes to making the playoffs...they're flat out playing hard...even against crappy teams...before injuries they were collectively sleep walking waiting to turn it on after the all star break in my opinion
I think rondo having the ball in his hands 95percent of the time had alot to do with the sleep walking.
This!
There were several aggressive drives today which led to scores, which simply wouldn't have happened if Rondo was out there.
Also did anyone notice how much more we are running and scoring on the break without him? Now it's Lee, Barbosa, Terry and Green ALL running and scoring on the break. Basically whoever gets the ball (via rebound or defensive stop) pushes it rather than before, where they would pass it straight to Rondo.
Guys just look like they are having fun out there, rather than standing around falling asleep while they wait for somebody to hopefully pass them the ball.
Special Kudo's to Green for his defense - he's been right up there with Lee and Bradley as out best defensive player this month, no exchageration.
shhhhh Danny and Doc might see this and decide to blow up the team
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I would temper all this spacing with the fact it was the magic who have only won 13 games. But I too hope it continues.
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It's two mediocre teams, but we've seen "bad Jeff" against both of them before.
I do think spacing and opportunity are a big part of it. I remember a game when Rondo was out, Pierce and KG force fed the ball to Green who initiated the offense. The offense was run through Green and he was given picks, he got some easy layups and his confidence was up and started hitting jumpers as well.
With Rondo he does nothing but sit in the corner and wait for pass for a 3 point shot.
When Green isn't regulated to standing in a spot as a shooter, and he gets some opportunities, he is able to play much more aggressively and surprise surprise, he looks a lot better.
That being said, spacing is also definitely a factor. Last night he had a monster dunk because there was no one in the paint as KG and Pierce spread out their front court so he got an opportunity for an easy dunk.
I expect Doc to try to take advantage of KG/Pierce/Green more and more.
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I love this - how many of the people here have been saying we play better without Rondo?
All the Rondo fanboys have argued absolutely that this won't happen, and that we will suck and epically fail without Rondo.
Now that Rondo is gone and we are clearly playing better, the Rondo fans turn the blame on to Doc.
Sorry guys but Rondo is out, Doc is still coaching us, and we're playing better.
We should revisit this after the Celts match the playoff success they had with Rondo last year, or at minimum finish out the regular season as well as we did last year.
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Jeff Green? "HE DA BEST"
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I would temper all this spacing with the fact it was the magic who have only won 13 games. But I too hope it continues.
This. I enjoyed watching Green take advantage of the hideous Orlando defense in the paint. I was watching that Mexican guy when he was in, and noticed him out of position multiple times leaving gaping lanes to the rim for Green.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
mmmkay and who exactly's job is it to get that effort out of them?
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
mmmkay and who exactly's job is it to get that effort out of them?
mmmkay and exactly who got criticized when people didn't like Rondo's effort? Someone besides Rondo?
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could it be we played two of the crappiest teams in the league? ;)
Love when Green is aggressive though, keep attacking Jeff!
Right after beating the defending champs.
what is wrong with beating crappy teams?? last i checked we lost a ton of games to crappy teams all year. at least we are beating them now right? ;D
True
Yes, it is true but they finally realized with the injuries that every game is going to matter when it comes to making the playoffs...they're flat out playing hard...even against crappy teams...before injuries they were collectively sleep walking waiting to turn it on after the all star break in my opinion
I think rondo having the ball in his hands 95percent of the time had alot to do with the sleep walking.
This!
There were several aggressive drives today which led to scores, which simply wouldn't have happened if Rondo was out there.
Also did anyone notice how much more we are running and scoring on the break without him? Now it's Lee, Barbosa, Terry and Green ALL running and scoring on the break. Basically whoever gets the ball (via rebound or defensive stop) pushes it rather than before, where they would pass it straight to Rondo.
One would wonder what else people noticed. Maybe that we're getting slightly fewer transition points than usual and we're finishing them less efficiently than we normally do? How about the fact that our offensive efficiency hasn't shown any improvement despite playing the teams ranked 11th, 26th and 29th in defense in those games? I'm guessing all these things were somehow missed by the anti-Rondo crowd.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
That's completely false.
Bradley was giving you effort every game, Lee was giving you the effort every game, Sully was giving you the effort every game, KG was giving you the effort every game, Terry has given you the effort we want from him for a while (simply missing shots), Green has been off and on, but he's been quite productive in since January.
Bass and Pierce are the only question marks for me, but there's a reason why the bench has been quite consistent this month with small dosages of KG inserted to balance the big man rotation out.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
That's completely false.
Bradley was giving you effort every game, Lee was giving you the effort every game, Sully was giving you the effort every game, KG was giving you the effort every game, Terry has given you the effort we want from him for a while (simply missing shots), Green has been off and on, but he's been quite productive in since January.
Bass and Pierce are the only question marks for me, but there's a reason why the bench has been quite consistent this month with small dosages of KG inserted to balance the big man rotation out.
Rondo's been giving you effort every game as well. If he's fair game so it the rest of the team. You don't think the guys are running harder on the break now, or moving around more/faster on offense, or showing more focus on defense lately? You haven't noticed any more energy than usual the last 2-3 games?
Heck, even if you can't see it Terry actually *said* that the wings were going to run harder so they could play more in transition.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
That's completely false.
Bradley was giving you effort every game, Lee was giving you the effort every game, Sully was giving you the effort every game, KG was giving you the effort every game, Terry has given you the effort we want from him for a while (simply missing shots), Green has been off and on, but he's been quite productive in since January.
Bass and Pierce are the only question marks for me, but there's a reason why the bench has been quite consistent this month with small dosages of KG inserted to balance the big man rotation out.
Rondo's been giving you effort every game as well. If he's fair game so it the rest of the team. You don't think the guys are running harder on the break now, or moving around more/faster on offense, or showing more focus on defense lately? You haven't noticed any more energy than usual the last 2-3 games?
Heck, even if you can't see it Terry actually *said* that the wings were going to run harder so they could play more in transition.
Rondo's efforf has been spotty at best, the rest I'll comment on later.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
mmmkay and who exactly's job is it to get that effort out of them?
mmmkay and exactly who got criticized when people didn't like Rondo's effort? Someone besides Rondo?
sure along with rondo. however,you say rondo was giving effort up above so now you admit it is doc and his philosphy that he was allowing rondo to run that was failing ?
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
mmmkay and who exactly's job is it to get that effort out of them?
mmmkay and exactly who got criticized when people didn't like Rondo's effort? Someone besides Rondo?
sure along with rondo. however,you say rondo was giving effort up above so now you admit it is doc and his philosphy that he was allowing rondo to run that was failing ?
The current team has had issues with consistency and changing roles but I don't think that means that the system was failing. We struggled for a while last year as well but it was Doc's system/philosophy that we were using when we almost made it to the finals, just like it was in 2010 when we almost won the title.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
That's completely false.
Bradley was giving you effort every game, Lee was giving you the effort every game, Sully was giving you the effort every game, KG was giving you the effort every game, Terry has given you the effort we want from him for a while (simply missing shots), Green has been off and on, but he's been quite productive in since January.
Bass and Pierce are the only question marks for me, but there's a reason why the bench has been quite consistent this month with small dosages of KG inserted to balance the big man rotation out.
Rondo's been giving you effort every game as well. If he's fair game so it the rest of the team. You don't think the guys are running harder on the break now, or moving around more/faster on offense, or showing more focus on defense lately? You haven't noticed any more energy than usual the last 2-3 games?
Heck, even if you can't see it Terry actually *said* that the wings were going to run harder so they could play more in transition.
Rondo's efforf has been spotty at best, the rest I'll comment on later.
And I'll stay with my typical points. Rondo's a warrior and doesn't let on when he's hurt. He was hobbled quite a bit by the bone bruise on his hip last month and lately every time you see him he's had an ice pack on his back, I know most people never take things like that into account when they assess his effort. Also, when the other players aren't doing much on offense everyone here calls that "Rondo not bringing it".
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
mmmkay and who exactly's job is it to get that effort out of them?
mmmkay and exactly who got criticized when people didn't like Rondo's effort? Someone besides Rondo?
sure along with rondo. however,you say rondo was giving effort up above so now you admit it is doc and his philosphy that he was allowing rondo to run that was failing ?
By the way, I didn't quite understand what you meant by "sure along with rondo". Are you saying that other people besides Rondo got blamed for his effort?
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
Four straight games over double digits and 50%+ shooting. It's hard not to like this version of Jeff Green.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
Four straight games over double digits and 50%+ shooting. It's hard not to like this version of Jeff Green.
Yeah. It's just hard at this point to pinpoint what makes Jeff Green play well and what makes him disappear. I don't have confidence on any given night predicting which Jeff we'll get.
Maybe it's selective memory, but I do feel like he's had good games more frequently lately compared to the beginning of the season. It could be that he's still gradually working his way back from the heart surgery, and we can expect to see him become more consistent over time.
But with Jeff Green, I'm not going to get my hopes up too much.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
That's completely false.
Bradley was giving you effort every game, Lee was giving you the effort every game, Sully was giving you the effort every game, KG was giving you the effort every game, Terry has given you the effort we want from him for a while (simply missing shots), Green has been off and on, but he's been quite productive in since January.
Bass and Pierce are the only question marks for me, but there's a reason why the bench has been quite consistent this month with small dosages of KG inserted to balance the big man rotation out.
Rondo's been giving you effort every game as well. If he's fair game so it the rest of the team. You don't think the guys are running harder on the break now, or moving around more/faster on offense, or showing more focus on defense lately? You haven't noticed any more energy than usual the last 2-3 games?
Heck, even if you can't see it Terry actually *said* that the wings were going to run harder so they could play more in transition.
Other than Rondo has been playing lazy defense since before the injuries, and that's just the starting point.
I applaud Rondo's ability to play hurt, and do consider him a warrior of sorts in the way he can play hurt as he's shown in the playoffs. But one thing doesn't go with the other.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
That's completely false.
Bradley was giving you effort every game, Lee was giving you the effort every game, Sully was giving you the effort every game, KG was giving you the effort every game, Terry has given you the effort we want from him for a while (simply missing shots), Green has been off and on, but he's been quite productive in since January.
Bass and Pierce are the only question marks for me, but there's a reason why the bench has been quite consistent this month with small dosages of KG inserted to balance the big man rotation out.
Rondo's been giving you effort every game as well. If he's fair game so it the rest of the team. You don't think the guys are running harder on the break now, or moving around more/faster on offense, or showing more focus on defense lately? You haven't noticed any more energy than usual the last 2-3 games?
Heck, even if you can't see it Terry actually *said* that the wings were going to run harder so they could play more in transition.
Lol, rondo didn't give the same consistent effort as the guys the other poster named. Do you watch the games or do you just read the stats afterwards because that's how it seems with some of your comments.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
That's completely false.
Bradley was giving you effort every game, Lee was giving you the effort every game, Sully was giving you the effort every game, KG was giving you the effort every game, Terry has given you the effort we want from him for a while (simply missing shots), Green has been off and on, but he's been quite productive in since January.
Bass and Pierce are the only question marks for me, but there's a reason why the bench has been quite consistent this month with small dosages of KG inserted to balance the big man rotation out.
Rondo's been giving you effort every game as well. If he's fair game so it the rest of the team. You don't think the guys are running harder on the break now, or moving around more/faster on offense, or showing more focus on defense lately? You haven't noticed any more energy than usual the last 2-3 games?
Heck, even if you can't see it Terry actually *said* that the wings were going to run harder so they could play more in transition.
Lol, rondo didn't give the same consistent effort as the guys the other poster named. Do you watch the games or do you just read the stats afterwards because that's how it seems with some of your comments.
...so says the guy who's gone from saying that the rest of the team hustled and Rondo didn't to claiming that the other guys were sleepwalking some of the time but it was Rondo's fault in the course of a few games. You're in no position to claim an abundance of credibility when you talk about hustle and effort.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
That's completely false.
Bradley was giving you effort every game, Lee was giving you the effort every game, Sully was giving you the effort every game, KG was giving you the effort every game, Terry has given you the effort we want from him for a while (simply missing shots), Green has been off and on, but he's been quite productive in since January.
Bass and Pierce are the only question marks for me, but there's a reason why the bench has been quite consistent this month with small dosages of KG inserted to balance the big man rotation out.
Rondo's been giving you effort every game as well. If he's fair game so it the rest of the team. You don't think the guys are running harder on the break now, or moving around more/faster on offense, or showing more focus on defense lately? You haven't noticed any more energy than usual the last 2-3 games?
Heck, even if you can't see it Terry actually *said* that the wings were going to run harder so they could play more in transition.
Other than Rondo has been playing lazy defense since before the injuries, and that's just the starting point.
I applaud Rondo's ability to play hurt, and do consider him a warrior of sorts in the way he can play hurt as he's shown in the playoffs. But one thing doesn't go with the other.
He's also shown the ability to play hurt during the season, and he rarely if ever talks about what ailments he has.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
That's completely false.
Bradley was giving you effort every game, Lee was giving you the effort every game, Sully was giving you the effort every game, KG was giving you the effort every game, Terry has given you the effort we want from him for a while (simply missing shots), Green has been off and on, but he's been quite productive in since January.
Bass and Pierce are the only question marks for me, but there's a reason why the bench has been quite consistent this month with small dosages of KG inserted to balance the big man rotation out.
Rondo's been giving you effort every game as well. If he's fair game so it the rest of the team. You don't think the guys are running harder on the break now, or moving around more/faster on offense, or showing more focus on defense lately? You haven't noticed any more energy than usual the last 2-3 games?
Heck, even if you can't see it Terry actually *said* that the wings were going to run harder so they could play more in transition.
Lol, rondo didn't give the same consistent effort as the guys the other poster named. Do you watch the games or do you just read the stats afterwards because that's how it seems with some of your comments.
...so says the guy who's gone from saying that the rest of the team hustled and Rondo didn't to claiming that the other guys were sleepwalking some of the time but it was Rondo's fault in the course of a few games. You're in no position to claim an abundance of credibility when you talk about hustle and effort.
You're putting words in my mouth. Anybody can make someone else look stupid doing that. I said the guys the poster named played with more consistent energy than rondo.
I didn't say they didn't sometimes sleepwalk when rondo was pounding the ball for the whole shotclock. I also didn't say rondo never played with any energy. Hes just had more nights where he looked disinterested than most.
You wanna talk about credibility, you lost that completely when you tried to say rondo played with energy every night. Anybody who watches the games knows that is far from the truth.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
That's completely false.
Bradley was giving you effort every game, Lee was giving you the effort every game, Sully was giving you the effort every game, KG was giving you the effort every game, Terry has given you the effort we want from him for a while (simply missing shots), Green has been off and on, but he's been quite productive in since January.
Bass and Pierce are the only question marks for me, but there's a reason why the bench has been quite consistent this month with small dosages of KG inserted to balance the big man rotation out.
Rondo's been giving you effort every game as well. If he's fair game so it the rest of the team. You don't think the guys are running harder on the break now, or moving around more/faster on offense, or showing more focus on defense lately? You haven't noticed any more energy than usual the last 2-3 games?
Heck, even if you can't see it Terry actually *said* that the wings were going to run harder so they could play more in transition.
Other than Rondo has been playing lazy defense since before the injuries, and that's just the starting point.
I applaud Rondo's ability to play hurt, and do consider him a warrior of sorts in the way he can play hurt as he's shown in the playoffs. But one thing doesn't go with the other.
He's also shown the ability to play hurt during the season, and he rarely if ever talks about what ailments he has.
Huh? Don't know what this has to do with anything I said or how it matters in any shape or form.
Agreed that he's a warrior, and used the playoffs in particular as an example of it. Don't care one way or another, his effort has been subpar this season regardless of playing hurt or not.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
That is a good month, but he had two months where he shot 41 and 42%. Sometimes he plays, sometimes he doesn't
yeah well everybody has to show up every night now. no more dogging it not earning that fat paycheck.
I know, if the guys out there had been playing as hard and with as much focus and intensity as the are now all year we'd be a top 2-3 seed right now.
Exactly.
I'm a little confused how fans are glossing over the fact some Celtics weren't giving this effort before the injury.
That's completely false.
Bradley was giving you effort every game, Lee was giving you the effort every game, Sully was giving you the effort every game, KG was giving you the effort every game, Terry has given you the effort we want from him for a while (simply missing shots), Green has been off and on, but he's been quite productive in since January.
Bass and Pierce are the only question marks for me, but there's a reason why the bench has been quite consistent this month with small dosages of KG inserted to balance the big man rotation out.
Rondo's been giving you effort every game as well. If he's fair game so it the rest of the team. You don't think the guys are running harder on the break now, or moving around more/faster on offense, or showing more focus on defense lately? You haven't noticed any more energy than usual the last 2-3 games?
Heck, even if you can't see it Terry actually *said* that the wings were going to run harder so they could play more in transition.
Lol, rondo didn't give the same consistent effort as the guys the other poster named. Do you watch the games or do you just read the stats afterwards because that's how it seems with some of your comments.
...so says the guy who's gone from saying that the rest of the team hustled and Rondo didn't to claiming that the other guys were sleepwalking some of the time but it was Rondo's fault in the course of a few games. You're in no position to claim an abundance of credibility when you talk about hustle and effort.
You're putting words in my mouth. Anybody can make someone else look stupid doing that. I said the guys the poster named played with more consistent energy than rondo.
I didn't say they didn't sometimes sleepwalk when rondo was pounding the ball for the whole shotclock. I also didn't say rondo never played with any energy. Hes just had more nights where he looked disinterested than most.
You wanna talk about credibility, you lost that completely when you tried to say rondo played with energy every night. Anybody who watches the games knows that is far from the truth.
Go back and find me some of your older posts where you talk about other players sleepwalking when Rondo's pounding the ball during the entire shot clock. I must have missed those posts.
Better yet, after you do that you might want to consider, if we were talking about anyone other than Rondo, whether the other players sleepwalking on offense might *force* Rondo to keep pounding the ball because, and this is just a thought, he's waiting for someone to get open or make a cut or something.
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Rondo is the issue. Always wanting the ball in his hands, yelling at guys to give it to him , you can't concentrate to do your thing.
Only when there is 10 seconds left and you get the ball from Rondo, you better score
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partially, I feel like part of the problem and the reason for our resurgance of guys who were struggling like Terry/Green
is that offensively they are finally playing them in roles they are most comfortable with.and I partially blame that on Doc Rivers.
look, Terry is Thriving with the ball in his hands and running the pick and roll...instead of running him off screens like he's ray allen...who wouldve though! considering that is what he did in Dallas.
Green is thriving moving without the ball and driving on guys and given more shots...instead of standing at the 3 point line while Rondo pounds the ball for 20 seconds.
are we a better team without Rondo?? No...but unfortunately it took him getting injured for Doc to stop trying to fit square pegs into a round hole and let guys play like they are accustomed to on offense.
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I don't think it's floor spacing. It just sometimes Green comes to play, sometimes he doesn't.
Well, since January... 49% from the field for 9 points off the bench. Good month.
Four straight games over double digits and 50%+ shooting. It's hard not to like this version of Jeff Green.
Yeah. It's just hard at this point to pinpoint what makes Jeff Green play well and what makes him disappear. I don't have confidence on any given night predicting which Jeff we'll get.
Maybe it's selective memory, but I do feel like he's had good games more frequently lately compared to the beginning of the season. It could be that he's still gradually working his way back from the heart surgery, and we can expect to see him become more consistent over time.
But with Jeff Green, I'm not going to get my hopes up too much.
Green is starting to string together multiple good games in a row. He wasn't doing this earlier; he couldn't put three straight good performances together.