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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticConcourse on February 01, 2013, 05:00:52 PM
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I hate how every time an injury happens, we write off the team. Gosh. Without Rondo, Sully we can still go far.
Last year we lost Green, Wilcox, O'Neal too, And this year our backcourt isn't THAT far from last year's backcourt.
And plus, our front out is the same.
Take it into proportion and we haven't even lost that much,
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We are just as good as last year, talent-wise.
If we don't trade, I still like our chances at reaching the ECF at the minimum.
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One and done.
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We have many solid guys and should be able to make lots of noise in the second round and then the ECF vs Miami
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Lets be real here... unless Danny somehow pulls something miraculously out of the air, this teams a first round exit as is
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One and done.
I am not even sure we can get to the playoffs. Not only did we lose two of our top 5 players this week, but one of the teams chasing for the #8 see may have gotten significantly stronger (Detroit).
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One and done.
I am not even sure we can get to the playoffs. Not only did we lose two of our top 5 players this week, but one of the teams chasing for the #8 see may have gotten significantly stronger (Detroit).
Tayshaun Prince was a pretty valuable player for them.
I think Calderon for Prince will end up being a lateral move.
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I voted Banner 18. Take that! ;D
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One and done.
I am not even sure we can get to the playoffs. Not only did we lose two of our top 5 players this week, but one of the teams chasing for the #8 see may have gotten significantly stronger (Detroit).
Tayshaun Prince was a pretty valuable player for them.
I think Calderon for Prince will end up being a lateral move.
Eh, maybe, but I think they DESPERATELY needed a PG. They have been playing SGs as PGs since Billups left, and have suffered greatly. While Calderon and Prince are pretty even players, I just think Calderon fills a need that was greater than anything Prince gave them.
Now without Prince, they can slide Stuckey and Knight over to their more comfortable SG position, and move Singler to SF, where he really can give close to what Prince can give.
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One and done.
I am not even sure we can get to the playoffs. Not only did we lose two of our top 5 players this week, but one of the teams chasing for the #8 see may have gotten significantly stronger (Detroit).
Tayshaun Prince was a pretty valuable player for them.
I think Calderon for Prince will end up being a lateral move.
Eh, maybe, but I think they DESPERATELY needed a PG. They have been playing SGs as PGs since Billups left, and have suffered greatly. While Calderon and Prince are pretty even players, I just think Calderon fills a need that was greater than anything Prince gave them.
Now without Prince, they can slide Stuckey and Knight over to their more comfortable SG position, and move Singler to SF, where he really can give close to what Prince can give.
Philadelphia might be a threat if Andrew Bynum comes back sometime soon.
I haven't heard when he is expected back.
Bynum can resume work on Sunday, and although there is no timetable for his return, the prevailing hope is that he will be able to play as early as February 20 after the All-Star break
Philly only 3 games back on Boston.
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Why are you comparing green, Wilcox and Oneal to rondo and sullinger?
green never played a game for last years team and Wilcox and Oneal suck...that argument missing them is the reason we didn't go further last year was delusional
Voted first round exit but we could end up the 9th seed
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We have many solid guys and should be able to make lots of noise in the second round and then the ECF vs Miami
Hmmmmmm yeah kg and pp didn't find the fountain of youth did they?
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I think they are going all the way ::) Seriously though, I think unless a move is made to get a solid big man, they will finish in 9th.
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We have many solid guys and should be able to make lots of noise in the second round and then the ECF vs Miami
Hmmmmmm yeah kg and pp didn't find the fountain of youth did they?
Check the stats, do they say KG and Pierce are significantly worse than last year? NO
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I think I get what is happening now. Each time the Celtics lose a player for the year their chances improve. ;D
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I think I get what is happening now. Each time the Celtics lose a player for the year their chances improve. ;D
Not significantly lower.
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We have many solid guys and should be able to make lots of noise in the second round and then the ECF vs Miami
Hmmmmmm yeah kg and pp didn't find the fountain of youth did they?
Check the stats, do they say KG and Pierce are significantly worse than last year? NO
Eye test says pierce is significantly worse.
They're also missing their best player and playoff performer, not Jeff green and Chris Wilcox
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I think I get what is happening now. Each time the Celtics lose a player for the year their chances improve. ;D
Not significantly lower.
did you become a Celtics and NBA fan last season? Curious
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I think I get what is happening now. Each time the Celtics lose a player for the year their chances improve. ;D
Not significantly lower.
I think you are right. I think if one more guy gets hurt the Celts are a shoe-in for the championship. They have now lost their first or second best player and in my opinion their 4th best player, who is also their best rebounder. No problem.
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I think I get what is happening now. Each time the Celtics lose a player for the year their chances improve. ;D
Not significantly lower.
I think you are right. I think if one more guy gets hurt the Celts are a shoe-in for the championship. They have now lost their first or second best player and in my opinion their 4th best player, who is also their best rebounder. No problem.
Haha - humor is good during these trying times.
At least we have AB, Jeff Green, and Wilcox healthy - these three were said to be difference makers for us last yr.....
...and now Rondo isn't here...
Guess it's time for others to step up, as impossible as it seems.
Doc is having to play Whack a Mole with this roster, now. He's done it before, so he's used to it.
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Give it a chance, yeah.
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6th seed is the Charity line.
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What sucks is this team still has enough talent to be a playoff team with ZERO chance of winning the championship.
Wen need to make a trade that gets us out of the playoffs but helps us next year. ???
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I think we are dead in the water the blow up is coming folks. If it doesn't come then DA needs fired. We have zero chance to win a series with our injuries and w/o Rondo.
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We have many solid guys and should be able to make lots of noise in the second round and then the ECF vs Miami
Hmmmmmm yeah kg and pp didn't find the fountain of youth did they?
Check the stats, do they say KG and Pierce are significantly worse than last year? NO
Eye test says pierce is significantly worse.
They're also missing their best player and playoff performer, not Jeff green and Chris Wilcox
Pierce is playing at about the same level as he was last year.
Last year he was an All-Star
Just because he has struggled past month doesn't mean he can't be as good.
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I'm incredulous at the amount of people that don't think this team amounts to much.
I think many naysayers are up for a rude awakening about what this team is made of.
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I'm incredulous at the amount of people that don't think this team amounts to much.
I think many naysayers are up for a rude awakening about what this team is made of.
They have a decent chance to get the 8th seed and a decent chance to finish 9th. 7th seed would be a long shot as would any lower than 9th. They lost their first or second best player in Rondo, and the best rebounder on the team. What am I missing? The front court consists of KG who is still a beast, but limited in minutes; Chris Wilcox who I love, but who has never been able to stay healthy; and Brandon Bass, a dwarf power forward. Again, what am I missing? What is the rude awakening I and everyone else is in for?
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I'm incredulous at the amount of people that don't think this team amounts to much.
I think many naysayers are up for a rude awakening about what this team is made of.
They have a decent chance to get the 8th seed and a decent chance to finish 9th. 7th seed would be a long shot as would any lower than 9th. They lost their first or second best player in Rondo, and the best rebounder on the team. What am I missing? The front court consists of KG who is still a beast, but limited in minutes; Chris Wilcox who I love, but who has never been able to stay healthy; and Brandon Bass, a dwarf power forward. Again, what am I missing? What is the rude awakening I and everyone else is in for?
There's a reason we got depth this year... and I find it funny the amount of panic when we're actually going to put that depth to use.
Our two majorly problems this year have been chemistry with Rondo (regardless of how you feel about Rondo being our best player on the team or not) and our perimeter defense.
Those two issues have been taken care off, and sadly it took Rondo getting injured for it to happen.
All that remain is to solidify our big man rotation, and we have two open roster spots available, but sorry if I don't get too down in a playoff series if I have to go with a 3-man rotation of KG-Bass-Wilcox with occasional minutes of Green, and then Collins against certain match-ups.
This is the best constructed team we've had in some years, and I'd argue the best constructed team in the KG era.
I see us playing elite defense going forward, and we'll be tough to beat when that happens. Do you think we won't be good defensively?
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I'm incredulous at the amount of people that don't think this team amounts to much.
I think many naysayers are up for a rude awakening about what this team is made of.
They have a decent chance to get the 8th seed and a decent chance to finish 9th. 7th seed would be a long shot as would any lower than 9th. They lost their first or second best player in Rondo, and the best rebounder on the team. What am I missing? The front court consists of KG who is still a beast, but limited in minutes; Chris Wilcox who I love, but who has never been able to stay healthy; and Brandon Bass, a dwarf power forward. Again, what am I missing? What is the rude awakening I and everyone else is in for?
There's a reason we got depth this year... and I find it funny the amount of panic when we're actually going to put that depth to use.
Our two majorly problems this year have been chemistry with Rondo (regardless of how you feel about Rondo being our best player on the team or not) and our perimeter defense.
Those two issues have been taken care off, and sadly it took Rondo getting injured for it to happen.
All that remain is to solidify our big man rotation, and we have two open roster spots available, but sorry if I don't get too down in a playoff series if I have to go with a 3-man rotation of KG-Bass-Wilcox with occasional minutes of Green, and then Collins against certain match-ups.
This is the best constructed team we've had in some years, and I'd argue the best constructed team in the KG era.
I see us playing elite defense going forward, and we'll be tough to beat when that happens. Do you think we won't be good defensively?
They will be good defensively. That's about it. They will struggle to make the playoffs with the current roster. Depth made up of a lot of role players doesn't win championships or take you deep into the playoffs. I honestly have never seen anything like this in my life. Not specifically focused on you, but this is the only time I can remember a team losing two of its top 5-6 players and fans thinking they still have a good chance to win a championship. It really is mind-boggling.
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I'm incredulous at the amount of people that don't think this team amounts to much.
I think many naysayers are up for a rude awakening about what this team is made of.
They have a decent chance to get the 8th seed and a decent chance to finish 9th. 7th seed would be a long shot as would any lower than 9th.
I am not real convinced about Milwaukee. I think that 7th seed is still up for grabs.
That 6th seed looks a lot harder to get. That might be more about Atlanta possibly faltering down the stretch than Boston's possible strong play.
I'd say the 6th seed is a long shot but the 7th seed is still well in sight but that is in large part because I have no confidence in the Milwaukee Bucks.
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I'm incredulous at the amount of people that don't think this team amounts to much.
I think many naysayers are up for a rude awakening about what this team is made of.
They have a decent chance to get the 8th seed and a decent chance to finish 9th. 7th seed would be a long shot as would any lower than 9th. They lost their first or second best player in Rondo, and the best rebounder on the team. What am I missing? The front court consists of KG who is still a beast, but limited in minutes; Chris Wilcox who I love, but who has never been able to stay healthy; and Brandon Bass, a dwarf power forward. Again, what am I missing? What is the rude awakening I and everyone else is in for?
There's a reason we got depth this year... and I find it funny the amount of panic when we're actually going to put that depth to use.
Our two majorly problems this year have been chemistry with Rondo (regardless of how you feel about Rondo being our best player on the team or not) and our perimeter defense.
Those two issues have been taken care off, and sadly it took Rondo getting injured for it to happen.
All that remain is to solidify our big man rotation, and we have two open roster spots available, but sorry if I don't get too down in a playoff series if I have to go with a 3-man rotation of KG-Bass-Wilcox with occasional minutes of Green, and then Collins against certain match-ups.
This is the best constructed team we've had in some years, and I'd argue the best constructed team in the KG era.
I see us playing elite defense going forward, and we'll be tough to beat when that happens. Do you think we won't be good defensively?
They will be good defensively. That's about it. They will struggle to make the playoffs with the current roster. Depth made up of a lot of role players doesn't win championships or take you deep into the playoffs. I honestly have never seen anything like this in my life. Not specifically focused on you, but this is the only time I can remember a team losing two of its top 5-6 players and fans thinking they still have a good chance to win a championship. It really is mind-boggling.
Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
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A healthy Pierce & a Healthy K.G. is all this team needs... Throw anyone surrounding them we're winning #18
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All that remain is to solidify our big man rotation, and we have two open roster spots available, but sorry if I don't get too down in a playoff series if I have to go with a 3-man rotation of KG-Bass-Wilcox with occasional minutes of Green, and then Collins against certain match-ups.
I think it is going to be important to find a 4th rotation quality big man to round out that big man rotation. If they can find a solid piece there, I think it would make a big difference to Boston's depth. Not a high end backup five. Just a passable one.
I don't think KG, Bass and Wilcox are suited to a three player big man rotation. Bass is a limited power forward who is best off in the 20-25 minute bracket. So too is Chris Wilcox. Garnett is minutes limited around the 30mpg marker. They need another body in there. Somebody who can soak up some minutes without killing the team (like Collins is liable to do on a fairly regular basis).
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I'm incredulous at the amount of people that don't think this team amounts to much.
I think many naysayers are up for a rude awakening about what this team is made of.
They have a decent chance to get the 8th seed and a decent chance to finish 9th. 7th seed would be a long shot as would any lower than 9th. They lost their first or second best player in Rondo, and the best rebounder on the team. What am I missing? The front court consists of KG who is still a beast, but limited in minutes; Chris Wilcox who I love, but who has never been able to stay healthy; and Brandon Bass, a dwarf power forward. Again, what am I missing? What is the rude awakening I and everyone else is in for?
There's a reason we got depth this year... and I find it funny the amount of panic when we're actually going to put that depth to use.
Our two majorly problems this year have been chemistry with Rondo (regardless of how you feel about Rondo being our best player on the team or not) and our perimeter defense.
Those two issues have been taken care off, and sadly it took Rondo getting injured for it to happen.
All that remain is to solidify our big man rotation, and we have two open roster spots available, but sorry if I don't get too down in a playoff series if I have to go with a 3-man rotation of KG-Bass-Wilcox with occasional minutes of Green, and then Collins against certain match-ups.
This is the best constructed team we've had in some years, and I'd argue the best constructed team in the KG era.
I see us playing elite defense going forward, and we'll be tough to beat when that happens. Do you think we won't be good defensively?
They will be good defensively. That's about it. They will struggle to make the playoffs with the current roster. Depth made up of a lot of role players doesn't win championships or take you deep into the playoffs. I honestly have never seen anything like this in my life. Not specifically focused on you, but this is the only time I can remember a team losing two of its top 5-6 players and fans thinking they still have a good chance to win a championship. It really is mind-boggling.
Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
Bunch of role players = Brandon Bass, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Jeff Green, Jason Collins, Leandro Barbosa, Chris Wilcox and so on. And yes, they have the aging KG, who is still a beast, but whose minutes have to be limited, and an aging Paul Pierce who also should have his minutes limited. As with the other night with the irrational talk about Rondo, I am going to quit now. There is really no arguing with people who still think this is a contending team.
I am going to sit back and enjoy the silly season here
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I'm incredulous at the amount of people that don't think this team amounts to much.
I think many naysayers are up for a rude awakening about what this team is made of.
They have a decent chance to get the 8th seed and a decent chance to finish 9th. 7th seed would be a long shot as would any lower than 9th. They lost their first or second best player in Rondo, and the best rebounder on the team. What am I missing? The front court consists of KG who is still a beast, but limited in minutes; Chris Wilcox who I love, but who has never been able to stay healthy; and Brandon Bass, a dwarf power forward. Again, what am I missing? What is the rude awakening I and everyone else is in for?
There's a reason we got depth this year... and I find it funny the amount of panic when we're actually going to put that depth to use.
Our two majorly problems this year have been chemistry with Rondo (regardless of how you feel about Rondo being our best player on the team or not) and our perimeter defense.
Those two issues have been taken care off, and sadly it took Rondo getting injured for it to happen.
All that remain is to solidify our big man rotation, and we have two open roster spots available, but sorry if I don't get too down in a playoff series if I have to go with a 3-man rotation of KG-Bass-Wilcox with occasional minutes of Green, and then Collins against certain match-ups.
This is the best constructed team we've had in some years, and I'd argue the best constructed team in the KG era.
I see us playing elite defense going forward, and we'll be tough to beat when that happens. Do you think we won't be good defensively?
They will be good defensively. That's about it. They will struggle to make the playoffs with the current roster. Depth made up of a lot of role players doesn't win championships or take you deep into the playoffs. I honestly have never seen anything like this in my life. Not specifically focused on you, but this is the only time I can remember a team losing two of its top 5-6 players and fans thinking they still have a good chance to win a championship. It really is mind-boggling.
Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
Bunch of role players = Brandon Bass, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, Jeff Green, Jason Collins, Leandro Barbosa, Chris Wilcox and so on. And yes, they have the aging KG, who is still a best, but whose minutes have to be limited, and an aging Paul Pierce who also should have his minutes limited. As with the other night with the irrational talk about Rondo, I am going to quit now. There is really no arguing with people who still think this is a contending team.
Same there really is no arguing with people who don't think this is a contending team O.o
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce could be a 50 win caliber team.
If in a well-balanced roster.
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All that remain is to solidify our big man rotation, and we have two open roster spots available, but sorry if I don't get too down in a playoff series if I have to go with a 3-man rotation of KG-Bass-Wilcox with occasional minutes of Green, and then Collins against certain match-ups.
I think it is going to be important to find a 4th rotation quality big man to round out that big man rotation. If they can find a solid piece there, I think it would make a big difference to Boston's depth. Not a high end backup five. Just a passable one.
I don't think KG, Bass and Wilcox are suited to a three player big man rotation. Bass is a limited power forward who is best off in the 20-25 minute bracket. So too is Chris Wilcox. Garnett is minutes limited around the 30mpg marker. They need another body in there. Somebody who can soak up some minutes without killing the team (like Collins is liable to do on a fairly regular basis).
Agree, which is why I keep pointing to our 2 open roster spots. But not too concerned about that 3 man rotation myself if needed be, more concerned with the depth aspect than anything. We'll see.
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce in a well balanced roster could be a 50 win caliber team.
So they have 22 wins now. and they have 37 games left. Are you suggesting they can go 28-9 the rest of the way?
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce could be a 50 win caliber team.
If in a well-balanced roster.
Which I think this is, but apparently most disagree, and our roster is not even finished yet.
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce could be a 50 win caliber team.
If in a well-balanced roster.
Which I think this is, but apparently most disagree, and our roster is not even finished yet.
I will ask you the same question. Are they going 28-9 the rest of the way to get to 50 wins?
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Play the season out.
If the proverbial Bass for Mozgov + Randolph trade happens I like the chances to get the #6 seed. Then anything can happen in the playoffs. Terry may seem like a role player, but he deserved to be co-MVP in the 2011 Finals.
With Sully out for the season, I wouldn't mind Kenyon Martin on this team, as washed as he is. We cannot trust Collins/oft-injured Wilcox. I can see Fab Melo in the Ryan Hollins role and doing well, though.
Go Celtics!!!
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce could be a 50 win caliber team.
If in a well-balanced roster.
Which I think this is, but apparently most disagree, and our roster is not even finished yet.
I will ask you the same question. Are they going 28-9 the rest of the way to get to 50 wins?
Don't care, and don't know what this question tries to explore.
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How far can a team go with PP and KG, plus two recent 6POY winners, two possible all-NBA defense guards, plus whatever Jeff Green is?
IMO, the team, collectively, will more than make up for Rondo's loss. I have to agree with the Fanpost that makes the case that by moving the ball through more of these talented players' hands, a more effective offense will result.
I think we're becoming the most dangerous team in the league.
I predict a winning record the rest of the way by a solid (but not outstanding) margin.
Doc does his best work when he has the least work to do, substitution wise. I'd put a small side bet on 22-15 the rest of the way.
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce could be a 50 win caliber team.
If in a well-balanced roster.
Which I think this is, but apparently most disagree, and our roster is not even finished yet.
I will ask you the same question. Are they going 28-9 the rest of the way to get to 50 wins?
Don't care, and don't know what this question tries to explore.
You said you agreed that this roster is a 50-win team. Right now they are 22-23 with 37 games left, so would have to go 28-9 the rest of the way to get to 50 wins.
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce could be a 50 win caliber team.
If in a well-balanced roster.
Which I think this is, but apparently most disagree, and our roster is not even finished yet.
I will ask you the same question. Are they going 28-9 the rest of the way to get to 50 wins?
Don't care, and don't know what this question tries to explore.
You said you agreed that this roster is a 50-win team. Right now they are 22-23 with 37 games left, so would have to go 28-9 the rest of the way to get to 50 wins.
I didn't put thought into the winning speculation, I was agreeing with the well-balanced aspect he mentioned.
A 50-win projection is only applicable if you're starting the season today... not take the current record, and then speculate the type of run we have to go on now to get there.
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce could be a 50 win caliber team.
If in a well-balanced roster.
Which I think this is, but apparently most disagree, and our roster is not even finished yet.
I will ask you the same question. Are they going 28-9 the rest of the way to get to 50 wins?
Don't care, and don't know what this question tries to explore.
You said you agreed that this roster is a 50-win team. Right now they are 22-23 with 37 games left, so would have to go 28-9 the rest of the way to get to 50 wins.
I didn't put thought into the winning speculation, I was agreeing with the well-balanced aspect he mentioned.
A 50-win projection is only applicable if you're starting the season today... not take the current record, and then speculate the type of run we have to go on now to get there.
Got it.
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce in a well balanced roster could be a 50 win caliber team.
So they have 22 wins now. and they have 37 games left. Are you suggesting they can go 28-9 the rest of the way?
No, it means I think the roster has grossly under-performed so far this season.
And also that I think they have enough talent left on the roster to play at an above .500 clip the rest of the way without Rondo and Sullinger. Not at 50 win pace until they fix that big man issue (very important) and maybe make a small lateral move in the backcourt (not sure if that is necessary or not).
Frontcourt = one player shy of proper big man rotation
Backcourt = not sure it's well balanced enough offensively.
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I think the Cs will slip past Milwaukee into that number 7 slot, upset the Knicks, and then fall to the Bulls/Hawks in round 2.
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce in a well balanced roster could be a 50 win caliber team.
So they have 22 wins now. and they have 37 games left. Are you suggesting they can go 28-9 the rest of the way?
No, it means I think the roster has grossly under-performed so far this season.
And also that I think they have enough talent left on the roster to play at an above .500 clip the rest of the way without Rondo and Sullinger. Not at 50 win pace until they fix that big man issue (very important) and maybe make a small lateral move in the backcourt (not sure if that is necessary or not).
Frontcourt = one player shy of proper big man rotation
Backcourt = not sure it's well balanced enough offensively.
Reading your posts for the past week, I can tell you're very conflicted with how our team will perform.
I see your analysis over and over, and it projects to me that this team is a good team, which may need a couple of simple tweaks to really perform as it should.
Then I see you rallying behind the "blow it up" effort on other posts.
Don't know what to make of it.
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce could be a 50 win caliber team.
If in a well-balanced roster.
Which I think this is, but apparently most disagree, and our roster is not even finished yet.
I think this group would be closer to 42-45 wins. Very good but not quite elite defensively (too weak on the boards, not enough defensive quality in the frontcourt besides KG), and skilled but impotent offensively - too reliant on 3 perimeter oriented old guys (KG, PP, JET) to generate looks for a group of mediocre efficiency role players (Lee, Bass, Green, Bradley).
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce could be a 50 win caliber team.
If in a well-balanced roster.
Which I think this is, but apparently most disagree, and our roster is not even finished yet.
I think this group would be closer to 42-45 wins. Very good but not quite elite defensively (too weak on the boards, not enough defensive quality in the frontcourt besides KG), and skilled but impotent offensively - too reliant on 3 perimeter oriented old guys (KG, PP, JET) to generate looks for a group of mediocre efficiency role players (Lee, Bass, Green, Bradley).
I agree, but might raise it a bit to a 46-win team if this roster started and finished the season together.
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce in a well balanced roster could be a 50 win caliber team.
So they have 22 wins now. and they have 37 games left. Are you suggesting they can go 28-9 the rest of the way?
No, it means I think the roster has grossly under-performed so far this season.
And also that I think they have enough talent left on the roster to play at an above .500 clip the rest of the way without Rondo and Sullinger. Not at 50 win pace until they fix that big man issue (very important) and maybe make a small lateral move in the backcourt (not sure if that is necessary or not).
Frontcourt = one player shy of proper big man rotation
Backcourt = not sure it's well balanced enough offensively.
Reading your posts for the past week, I can tell you're very conflicted with how our team will perform.
I see your analysis over and over, and it projects to me that this team is a good team, which may need a couple of simple tweaks to really perform as it should.
Then I see you rallying behind the "blow it up" effort on other posts.
Don't know what to make of it.
Because a good team (i.e. 50 win team) with no shot at beating the great teams and no future (i.e. a core of 35+year old stars, minimal flexibility to add pieces to make the leap to great team) is better off going into asset accumulation mode.
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce could be a 50 win caliber team.
If in a well-balanced roster.
Which I think this is, but apparently most disagree, and our roster is not even finished yet.
I think this group would be closer to 42-45 wins. Very good but not quite elite defensively (too weak on the boards, not enough defensive quality in the frontcourt besides KG), and skilled but impotent offensively - too reliant on 3 perimeter oriented old guys (KG, PP, JET) to generate looks for a group of mediocre efficiency role players (Lee, Bass, Green, Bradley).
I agree, but might raise it a bit to a 46-win team if this roster started and finished the season together.
IMO, we're one big away, as we were before.
With Rondo out, we have 4 guards: 2 offensive, 2 defensive. It should make matching up easy enough, even for Doc.
KG is, as always, the main cog. Pair him with Gortat and we might have the best frontline since before McHale broke his foot. No joke.
Hence, Rondo for Gortat plus (I like Dragic and a #1) and we win another title. I threw that out there a while back to mixed reviews...
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Bunch of role players? Oh man. What does that even mean? We have KG and Pierce in our team still, what more do you need than a "bunch of role players"?
A bunch of quality role players + Garnett and Pierce in a well balanced roster could be a 50 win caliber team.
So they have 22 wins now. and they have 37 games left. Are you suggesting they can go 28-9 the rest of the way?
No, it means I think the roster has grossly under-performed so far this season.
And also that I think they have enough talent left on the roster to play at an above .500 clip the rest of the way without Rondo and Sullinger. Not at 50 win pace until they fix that big man issue (very important) and maybe make a small lateral move in the backcourt (not sure if that is necessary or not).
Frontcourt = one player shy of proper big man rotation
Backcourt = not sure it's well balanced enough offensively.
Reading your posts for the past week, I can tell you're very conflicted with how our team will perform.
I see your analysis over and over, and it projects to me that this team is a good team, which may need a couple of simple tweaks to really perform as it should.
Then I see you rallying behind the "blow it up" effort on other posts.
Don't know what to make of it.
I am not conflicted. I believe three things:
(1) This is a good solid playoff caliber team even without Rondo
(2) This team is not good enough to compete for a title. It's a one and done or a two and done playoff squad. They do not have enough talent without Rondo to win an NBA title. I did think they had a shot with Rondo.
(3) I am not confident enough in this team's ability to compete for a title next year to keep the core together for another year.
So I say, it's time to move on. Start preparing for the future.
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Because a good team (i.e. 50 win team) with no shot at beating the great teams and no future (i.e. a core of 35+year old stars, minimal flexibility to add pieces to make the leap to great team) is better off going into asset accumulation mode.
Exactly. That is what I am trying to say.