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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: ctrey on February 01, 2013, 03:51:39 PM
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For drafting Sullinger. Everyone new this kid had an issue and he wasted a pick on him. Our medical staff should get the axe as well. You never fully recover from a back injury. We are Celtics fans here, remember Bird? Once a back goes, no matter the age of the individual, it is gone. We are toast because of this. Meanwhile Well run teams like the Thunder get Perry Jones in the draft.
Danny this is on your head.
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What player would you rather have after # 20?
Perry Jones?
Ezeli?
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So, should teams never take risks on injury prone players in the draft?
(I can't tell if this is sarcasm, due to the Perry Jones crack. Jones was medically red-flagged for his knee.)
EDIT: Based on comments in another thread, I guess this isn't sarcasm. Rather, it's a really bad argument.
"You should be fired for taking that medically red-flagged guy in the draft! You should have known enough to take the other medically red-flagged guy who was drafted even later in the first round!"
I don't get it.
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LOL
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Imo if Ainge should be fired, it should be over bringing back this core instead of starting the rebuilding process.
I loved the Sullinger pick as it was great value. It's not like he was a top 10 pick.
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Ummm...no.
Look what the kid did before he was out for the season. Lots of reason to look up.
Of course, there is uncertainty going forward but the kid is only a rookie. Its not like this is the nail in the coffin of his career.
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I mean, I wanted Ezelli, but I wanted him over Fab.
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Is this thread real life?
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So, should teams never take risks on injury prone players in the draft?
(I can't tell if this is sarcasm, due to the Perry Jones crack. Jones was medically red-flagged for his knee.)
Haha took the thought right out of my mind.
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Is this thread real life?
I hope only imaginary real life.
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These are the risks you take when you are drafting in the 20's. Let's see how Sully returns after the surgery.
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Lets see how the back takes to the surgery before we hang DA.
I remember they were talking surgery before the season started, but they thought they could do alternatives, which is the smart thing to do.
Also was it some thing Sully could have prevented? Did he feel some pain before the game and decided to man up? Why don't you throw him under the bus as well.
Funny how people Call DA a genius for drafting the kid, right until he gets hurt. Then is "Hand Him!"
Part of GM ing is taking some risks from time to time. Rondo,Bradly could be some of those risks, they turned out okay...
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Oh man, come on please.
Everyone knew this and I guarentee you weren't complaining before.
If he works out he has a Kevin Love-esque ceiling.
Who else would you have drafted? All those great contributors after him?
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For drafting Sullinger. Everyone new this kid had an issue and he wasted a pick on him. Our medical staff should get the axe as well. You never fully recover from a back injury. We are Celtics fans here, remember Bird? Once a back goes, no matter the age of the individual, it is gone. We are toast because of this. Meanwhile Well run teams like the Thunder get Perry Jones in the draft.
Danny this is on your head.
Sully>>Jones.
End of argument.
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Back surgery is nothing now a days... I have a couple, I am not a pro athlete but I work in construction, skate, surf, snowboard, mountain bike etc.. On a regular basis and have NO issues!
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For drafting Sullinger. Everyone new this kid had an issue and he wasted a pick on him. Our medical staff should get the axe as well. You never fully recover from a back injury. We are Celtics fans here, remember Bird? Once a back goes, no matter the age of the individual, it is gone. We are toast because of this. Meanwhile Well run teams like the Thunder get Perry Jones in the draft.
Danny this is on your head.
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No way, it was a good pick on upside alone. Sullinger has already shown he can play.
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How come it is all the "fire him", "trade him" etc threads that seem like they're written without any knowledge of The NBA?
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The Thunder just won a game in a blowout. The OP's perfect prospect Perry Jones played 4 minutes.
[Edited. Personal attacks are not allowed. -RH]
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So, should teams never take risks on injury prone players in the draft?
(I can't tell if this is sarcasm, due to the Perry Jones crack. Jones was medically red-flagged for his knee.)
EDIT: Based on comments in another thread, I guess this isn't sarcasm. Rather, it's a really bad argument.
"You should be fired for taking that medically red-flagged guy in the draft! You should have known enough to take the other medically red-flagged guy who was drafted even later in the first round!"
I don't get it.
Don't forget all the people who were killing him for not getting Brandon Roy.
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My thought is, that with the two picks, you are able to take a flier on the injury and get a player with the second one. Who knows what Melo will be, he could turn out to be very good. Let's wait it out.
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Sully is by no means done, and it's laughable that Ainge should be fired.
He's not a perfect GM, but he just put together the greatest 5.5 season run since the true Bird glory days.
He's a good GM. Jeez.
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For drafting Sullinger. Everyone new this kid had an issue and he wasted a pick on him. Our medical staff should get the axe as well. You never fully recover from a back injury. We are Celtics fans here, remember Bird? Once a back goes, no matter the age of the individual, it is gone. We are toast because of this. Meanwhile Well run teams like the Thunder get Perry Jones in the draft.
Danny this is on your head.
You must know something that the rest of us don't about Sully's prognosis. I haven't heard anything yet.
Dwight Howard is recovering from a back injury. Larry Bird played years (and incredibly well) with a bad back. Dennis Rodman had back issues for about the last 10 years of his career. Brad Daugherty had a brief (8 years) but very good NBA career with a bad back. All these guys except DH played in the medical dark ages compared to today.
We are all worried about his future but you shouldn't pretend you know something that you don't know. He may have a solid NBA career which is all you can hope for with a 21st pick.
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Sully is by no means done, and it's laughable that Ainge should be fired.
He's not a perfect GM, but he just put together the greatest 5.5 season run since the true Bird glory days.
He's a good GM. Jeez.
So true...we will look back at this era admirably and ainge engineered the whole thing....
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It isn't that bad.
Still better than JJJ
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Are you kidding me? This basically signals that we aren't going to take any more unnecessary risks this season. They're trying to prevent a more serious injury to Sullinger in the future and hopefully taking care of the problem now. I think it was a smart move.
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Sullinger was an awesome pick and risk...sorry bub... such a shame this had to happen.
I do however think our medical stuff SUCKS...but this wasnt on them...but it was laughable they said he was day to day
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Well, I've never really liked Danny to begin with so....this is like throwing a log on a forest fire.
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Taking a flyer on a talented kid at #20 in the draft shouldn't make or break our season. He wasn't a lottery pick, but he was a nice addition that provided way more that expected.
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So when Sully comes back next season and plays a huge role for this team going forward you still gonna say Danny should be fired for taking the kid at 21??
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Orlando Magic should be shot for drafting dwight howard and him having a back injury!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chicago GM should be fired for drafting D rose and him doing his ACL
spare me...... the kid was red flagged, gave us SOLID!!!!!! production until the moment he got hurt. Id rather he not get hurt now but better now then end of the year where it will interupt with his pres season. Sully will be back practising before the season is even over. I know its Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. news but seriously. Ainge got the big 3 together
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lol this thread is funny.
Seems like just yesterday we were arguing about whether Jared Sullinger should be considered as valuable as a lottery pic in an imaginary trade for DeMarcus Cousins. ANd now here we are... arguing that Danny Ainge should be fired for even taking him as a late 1st rounder.
You remember those days?... when fans were arguing that they would nevah give up Sully for Josh Smith... and I'm all like, "Ya, but like... lets pretend Sully actually HAD been drafted as a lotto pick. At most he's as valuable as Meyers Leonard, right?... someone who was actually taken 11th?... wouldn't you give up Meyers Leonard for Josh Smith?" and guys were all like, "Nah it's totes different... Sully be way more valuable than Meyers Leonard!". I miss those days :(
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lol this thread is funny.
Seems like just yesterday we were arguing about whether Jared Sullinger should be considered as valuable as a lottery pic in an imaginary trade for DeMarcus Cousins. ANd now here we are... arguing that Danny Ainge should be fired for even taking him as a late 1st rounder.
You remember those days?... when fans were arguing that they would nevah give up Sully for Josh Smith... and I'm all like, "Ya, but like... lets pretend Sully actually HAD been drafted as a lotto pick. At most he's as valuable as Meyers Leonard, right?... someone who was actually taken 11th?... wouldn't you give up Meyers Leonard for Josh Smith?" and guys were all like, "Nah it's totes different... Sully be way more valuable than Meyers Leonard!". I miss those days :(
Pretty sure only the OP wants Danny fired for taking sullinger
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The difference between Sully and PJ3 is that if we'd drafted PJ3 and he'd just been declared out for the season, we wouldn't be fretting about how we could replace his production.
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lol this thread is funny.
Seems like just yesterday we were arguing about whether Jared Sullinger should be considered as valuable as a lottery pic in an imaginary trade for DeMarcus Cousins. ANd now here we are... arguing that Danny Ainge should be fired for even taking him as a late 1st rounder.
You remember those days?... when fans were arguing that they would nevah give up Sully for Josh Smith... and I'm all like, "Ya, but like... lets pretend Sully actually HAD been drafted as a lotto pick. At most he's as valuable as Meyers Leonard, right?... someone who was actually taken 11th?... wouldn't you give up Meyers Leonard for Josh Smith?" and guys were all like, "Nah it's totes different... Sully be way more valuable than Meyers Leonard!". I miss those days :(
Pretty sure only the OP wants Danny fired for taking sullinger
CB is a lot more fun when you pretend it's just you and one other guy with a thousand accounts.
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OP could not hold DA jockstrap when it comes to GMing. DA has forgot more basketball than the OP ever knew.
DA should blow it up.
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He will be back better than ever. IF he played like this but a bum back and 10 pounds overweight, i can't wait to see how he does, with no back issues and 10 pounds less fat. This kid is going to be a nice celtic for a long while
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Some risks payoff and some don't. Obvious statement but true.
Danny did a great job of taking a chance on Sully based on his pure talent alone. He is tough worker and if anyone can come back from surgery, it will be him.
Let's all hope and pray he comes back as good as new. Their are some players who had back backs and continued to play at a high level. I believe The Chief was one of them.
Get Well Soon Sully.
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Danny should be extended ten more yrs as The Boston Celtic's GM.
Not his fault for Sully. If I were Danny, I would've picked Jared Sullinger, too - no question.
Sully will be back next yr - better than ever, and this period will be behind him.
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Being a GM is hard bro. Danny has tremendous chops doing his job. Let him be.
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lol this thread is funny.
Seems like just yesterday we were arguing about whether Jared Sullinger should be considered as valuable as a lottery pic in an imaginary trade for DeMarcus Cousins. ANd now here we are... arguing that Danny Ainge should be fired for even taking him as a late 1st rounder.
You remember those days?... when fans were arguing that they would nevah give up Sully for Josh Smith... and I'm all like, "Ya, but like... lets pretend Sully actually HAD been drafted as a lotto pick. At most he's as valuable as Meyers Leonard, right?... someone who was actually taken 11th?... wouldn't you give up Meyers Leonard for Josh Smith?" and guys were all like, "Nah it's totes different... Sully be way more valuable than Meyers Leonard!". I miss those days :(
I'd check Sully's and Leonard's stats before I started bragging about that one.
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Danny should be extended ten more yrs as The Boston Celtic's GM.
Not his fault for Sully. If I were Danny, I would've picked Jared Sullinger, too - no question.
Sully will be back next yr - better than ever, and this period will be behind him.
obviously, the sulliger pick is not a reason to fire danny ainge. but what has the guy done since the championship season?
i'm not an anti danny guy, but there is an argument to be made that there have been some really bad decisions putting together the teams since they won the title.
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Because Danny tore Rondo's ACL.
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Danny should be extended ten more yrs as The Boston Celtic's GM.
Not his fault for Sully. If I were Danny, I would've picked Jared Sullinger, too - no question.
Sully will be back next yr - better than ever, and this period will be behind him.
obviously, the sulliger pick is not a reason to fire danny ainge. but what has the guy done since the championship season?
i'm not an anti danny guy, but there is an argument to be made that there have been some really bad decisions putting together the teams since they won the title.
The question in evaluating those teams is, what would a good GM have done differently? Especially without using hindsight?
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Danny should be extended ten more yrs as The Boston Celtic's GM.
Not his fault for Sully. If I were Danny, I would've picked Jared Sullinger, too - no question.
Sully will be back next yr - better than ever, and this period will be behind him.
obviously, the sulliger pick is not a reason to fire danny ainge. but what has the guy done since the championship season?
i'm not an anti danny guy, but there is an argument to be made that there have been some really bad decisions putting together the teams since they won the title.
What arguments do you have?
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Danny should be extended ten more yrs as The Boston Celtic's GM.
Not his fault for Sully. If I were Danny, I would've picked Jared Sullinger, too - no question.
Sully will be back next yr - better than ever, and this period will be behind him.
obviously, the sulliger pick is not a reason to fire danny ainge. but what has the guy done since the championship season?
i'm not an anti danny guy, but there is an argument to be made that there have been some really bad decisions putting together the teams since they won the title.
What arguments do you have?
Let me help:
Jermaine O'Neal.
Tony Allen.
Keeping Ray.
Rasheed Wallace for 3 yrs.
MarShon Brooks for JaJuan Johnson.
Sheed cost us #18, IMO. A non-lazy player during the season (instead of Sheed) would have put that game 7, and the title, in Boston instead of LA. He thought he could turn it on without conditioning, and he failed the team (who failed him for letting him get away with such a BS season).
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For drafting Sullinger. Everyone new this kid had an issue and he wasted a pick on him. Our medical staff should get the axe as well. You never fully recover from a back injury. We are Celtics fans here, remember Bird? Once a back goes, no matter the age of the individual, it is gone. We are toast because of this. Meanwhile Well run teams like the Thunder get Perry Jones in the draft.
Danny this is on your head.
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We should have traded up and gotten Austin Rivers. He would have contributed immediately without the injuries.
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Danny should be extended ten more yrs as The Boston Celtic's GM.
Not his fault for Sully. If I were Danny, I would've picked Jared Sullinger, too - no question.
Sully will be back next yr - better than ever, and this period will be behind him.
obviously, the sulliger pick is not a reason to fire danny ainge. but what has the guy done since the championship season?
i'm not an anti danny guy, but there is an argument to be made that there have been some really bad decisions putting together the teams since they won the title.
What arguments do you have?
Let me help:
Jermaine O'Neal.
Tony Allen.
Keeping Ray.
Rasheed Wallace for 3 yrs.
MarShon Brooks for JaJuan Johnson.
Sheed cost us #18, IMO. A non-lazy player during the season (instead of Sheed) would have put that game 7, and the title, in Boston instead of LA. He thought he could turn it on without conditioning, and he failed the team (who failed him for letting him get away with such a BS season).
Well, JO played well while healthy...I know "while healthy" was a stretch, but I remember him and KG playing well together defensively vs NY in the playoffs that yr.
JO's play/health was not the sole reason (or even a credible reason) for BOS's success/failure in 10-11 - Rondo going down vs Wade was perhaps the last shoe to drop.
TA? Not sure what you have pro/against TA...are you saying Danny should've signed him long-term or what?
I thought it was TA's choice to leave?
Ray Allen? Are you pro or against Ray? What other trades/rumors were out there that would've brought us back good enough talent - especially the way Ray Allen is playing now?
He's definitely helping MIA.
Sheed? Even with him perhaps mailing it in the reg season, his play was key in the playoffs...that one 17 pt game vs CLE on the road was HUGE.
Sheed's play in that game 7 vs Lakers that yr was courageous, too.
JJ over Marshon? No disrespect, but Marshon isn't playing much in BKN right now, I don't think..
I believe Danny has done a FINE job as GM, all things considered. I hope he's in BOS for the foreseeable future, myself.
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We should have traded up and gotten Austin Rivers. He would have contributed immediately without the injuries.
Really? He of the 37.7 eFG%? He may be good in the future but he isn't contributing anything to any team right now. Wow.
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Now that I think about it Danny should definitely be praised for this. He made the right decision for Sully's future. Btw think about it like this... he was playing through back pain the last few weeks. Imagine how good he could be post surgery with no pain.
If we had continued to play him the injury could have gotten worse and effected Sully much more down the road. Thanks for thinking of the future Danny
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Celtics didnt have nothing to lose with picking Sully in the 20's..who else was available that is doing any good so far??
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wrong thread
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Celtics didnt have nothing to lose with picking Sully in the 20's..who else was available that is doing any good so far??
Not much!
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Really? Fire Danny? Danny is not to blame at all for anything except bring the expectations of success back to the Celtics. I think Danny Ainge should be sealed up for as long as he wants to stay.
Ridiculous to even think Ainge should be canned.
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ooops wrong thread. ;D
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He shouldn't be fired for drafting sullinger, he should be fired for the rest of the crap he did this summer. Put together a mediocre team and spent a ton of money on a pile of crap and put the Celtics in a situation where it won't be competing for a title for years.
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We should have traded up and gotten Austin Rivers. He would have contributed immediately without the injuries.
good lord almighty! SMH.
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Of all the poor threads i've seen up here lately this is the worst.
We should have traded up and gotten Austin Rivers. He would have contributed immediately without the injuries.
This has to be sarcasm by the way. His rookie year has been historically poor.
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We should have traded up and gotten Austin Rivers. He would have contributed immediately without the injuries.
good lord almighty! SMH.
TP! Austin Rivers?lol
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We should have traded up and gotten Austin Rivers. He would have contributed immediately without the injuries.
good lord almighty! SMH.
TP! Austin Rivers?lol
Back atcha! ;)
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i would still try to trade for austin considering he has upside
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i would still try to trade for austin considering he has upside
i'd rather have e'twaun back than him. playing better all around this season.
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i would still try to trade for austin considering he has upside
A shooting guard that is shooting 33% from the field and 55% from the free throw line?
What upside is there to a shooting guard that cant shoot?
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Wow.
So when he was doing GREAT its all fine and dandy. But now he's hurt and all of a sudden he's a bad pick?
I guess the Clips management should get fired too when they drafted Blake Griffin and he did not play the entire year.
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lol this thread is funny.
Seems like just yesterday we were arguing about whether Jared Sullinger should be considered as valuable as a lottery pic in an imaginary trade for DeMarcus Cousins. ANd now here we are... arguing that Danny Ainge should be fired for even taking him as a late 1st rounder.
You remember those days?... when fans were arguing that they would nevah give up Sully for Josh Smith... and I'm all like, "Ya, but like... lets pretend Sully actually HAD been drafted as a lotto pick. At most he's as valuable as Meyers Leonard, right?... someone who was actually taken 11th?... wouldn't you give up Meyers Leonard for Josh Smith?" and guys were all like, "Nah it's totes different... Sully be way more valuable than Meyers Leonard!". I miss those days :(
I'd check Sully's and Leonard's stats before I started bragging about that one.
why? One has a chronic back problem and the other is averaging like 4 points and 3 boards. Neither is valuable enough to land Josh Smith. That was my point. Some Celtics fans argued otherwise... that Sully was way too much to give up for Smith.
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lol this thread is funny.
Seems like just yesterday we were arguing about whether Jared Sullinger should be considered as valuable as a lottery pic in an imaginary trade for DeMarcus Cousins. ANd now here we are... arguing that Danny Ainge should be fired for even taking him as a late 1st rounder.
You remember those days?... when fans were arguing that they would nevah give up Sully for Josh Smith... and I'm all like, "Ya, but like... lets pretend Sully actually HAD been drafted as a lotto pick. At most he's as valuable as Meyers Leonard, right?... someone who was actually taken 11th?... wouldn't you give up Meyers Leonard for Josh Smith?" and guys were all like, "Nah it's totes different... Sully be way more valuable than Meyers Leonard!". I miss those days :(
I'd check Sully's and Leonard's stats before I started bragging about that one.
why? One has a chronic back problem and the other is averaging like 4 points and 3 boards. Neither is valuable enough to land Josh Smith. That was my point. Some Celtics fans argued otherwise... that Sully was way too much to give up for Smith.
As someone who questioned sending out Sully for Josh, my reasoning on the deals I saw was that we were giving way too much in addition to Sully to get Smith. Throw in the fact I find Smith to have a low BBIQ (Sully seems to have a pretty good one) where he just seems to make way too many bone-headed plays for someone who will also be looking for a max (or very near max) contract after this year.
as for comparing Sully to Leonard. Sully wins that discussion. not even close.