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Title: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: nickagneta on January 31, 2013, 01:19:22 PM
http://sulia.com/channel/basketball/f/71b89385-dd45-485d-9b1f-6d829255216c/?source=twitter

He also hints that this year might be it for KG. What's everyone else think? With Rondo gone for the year and maybe part of next and an almost impossible road to the ECFs in front of them, does KG hang them up after this year?
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Roy H. on January 31, 2013, 01:22:06 PM
No wonder twitter has a character limit.

I think KG will be back next year, but I don't think it will shock anybody if he does decide to retire.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Lucky17 on January 31, 2013, 01:22:48 PM
I don't know. I feel that he's going to come back next season, but might retire after that.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: CelticG1 on January 31, 2013, 01:24:33 PM
Doubt it.

People have been talking about KG retiring each year since he had the injury.

People underestimate his love for the game (don't know why).

Ill prob just skip the debate and wait till we see him next season (like I did last year)
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 31, 2013, 01:26:26 PM
And we almost traded Rondo for Gasol.

More he said she said I think, IMO stuff.

Is it possible he retires? Sure. Is it possible he doesnt? Sure. He looks much older this year. But Kevin Willis played til he was 42. Kurt Thomas is still starting for the Knicks on occassion. If KG wants to plat he will have a limited role somewhere.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Eddie20 on January 31, 2013, 01:27:25 PM
From the article, this really shocked me. And honestly, I don't see it.


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his athleticism and mobility have fallen off precipitously this season.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Who on January 31, 2013, 01:31:53 PM
Ric Bucher is not a credible reporter.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: edwardjkasche on January 31, 2013, 01:34:58 PM
If Ainge trades away Pierce or Rondo, then, yeah, I bet KG retires.

If the team primarily stays together, then KG will be back.

This all depends on health, of course.  An injury could change this.

People underestimate KG's love for his teammates and Doc.  KG is not going to simply abandon them or force Boston to buy him out of his contract.  I could see KG staying on and continuing to play fewer minutes while still mentoring the likes of Sully and Melo.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: ssspence on January 31, 2013, 01:35:01 PM
Not sure I follow Bucher's logic. If KG will retire when he's not able to contribute at a high level -- whether it's this summer or next -- then he'd a be good trade choice for a contender, not a poor one.

I can't imagine any GM thinks they'd have to give up all that much to get him anyway.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: nickagneta on January 31, 2013, 01:36:56 PM
And we almost traded Rondo for Gasol.

More he said she said I think, IMO stuff.

Is it possible he retires? Sure. Is it possible he doesnt? Sure. He looks much older this year. But Kevin Willis played til he was 42. Kurt Thomas is still starting for the Knicks on occassion. If KG wants to plat he will have a limited role somewhere.
I agree. If KG wants to play there will be a place for him.

But KG doesn't give me the impression he's an Hakeem or Willis or Parish or Moses Malone type that hangs around years past his being a top 5-8 player at his position.

He disappears in the off season and loves his privacy. I say if he gets a feeling that this was the last chances at a ring, he might retire after this year, regardless of how well he can still play.

And, yes, from what I have seen of KG this year, his athleticism and speed and movement are quite different than years past. He was undeserving of an All-Star nod. He could possibly have to give up on the idea of being a starter as early as sometime next season.

Not sure his ego or competitive spirit will go for that.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 31, 2013, 01:47:22 PM
He looked finished last year too, until about this time of year. (And his numbers over the last five games have been very good).

I hate to say it, but his revitalization in the second half last season was a bit fishy. If he does it again this year, I will really start to wonder.
Title: KG retiring
Post by: Smitty77 on January 31, 2013, 01:50:47 PM
Roy,

If KG officially retires, does his money count against our cap?  Or do we get that money off our cap?

Thanks,

Smitty77
Title: Re: KG retiring
Post by: Fafnir on January 31, 2013, 01:56:13 PM
Roy,

If KG officially retires, does his money count against our cap?  Or do we get that money off our cap?

Thanks,

Smitty77
If he retires and forgoes his salary it comes off the cap. Only money actually paid counts.
Title: Re: KG retiring
Post by: Roy H. on January 31, 2013, 01:56:24 PM
Roy,

If KG officially retires, does his money count against our cap?  Or do we get that money off our cap?

Thanks,

Smitty77

If he formally retires before next league year starts, his money comes off the cap.

If he retires after the new league year starts, it would depend upon what the payment schedule of his contract is.  Any payments we make to him would be carried on our cap.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Chris on January 31, 2013, 01:59:23 PM
Ric Bucher is not a credible reporter.

This.  And the report doesn't really make sense. 

First, KG won't retire next season just to save the C's from luxury tax money.  He will play if he wants to play. 

Second. KG is still one of the best centers in the league, and hasn't shown any signs of walking away.  He seems like he might be Favresque in continuing to play until he has no choice but to quit. 
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 31, 2013, 02:01:31 PM
The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that he will keep playing.

I can't think of another player who just seems to love being out on the court more than KG.

This is assuming his body holds up.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Mencius on January 31, 2013, 02:03:57 PM
I could see him calling it quits after this season.  Seems like he had to think long and hard about whether to come back this season, and that was after our unexpected run to the ECF.

Much depends on how the rest of this season plays out.  It can't much be about the money any more, and I'm not sure if he wants to put the enormous amount of work in to prepare his body for another season for a non-contender next year.
Title: Re: KG retiring
Post by: PhoSita on January 31, 2013, 02:07:49 PM
Roy,

If KG officially retires, does his money count against our cap?  Or do we get that money off our cap?

Thanks,

Smitty77

If he formally retires before next league year starts, his money comes off the cap.

If he retires after the new league year starts, it would depend upon what the payment schedule of his contract is.  Any payments we make to him would be carried on our cap.

This is why I don't understand Bucher's reasoning.

If other GMs are really convinced KG is going to retire after this season, or at the latest after next season, then doesn't that make him more attractive as a trade piece? 

He seems to be saying that other teams wouldn't want to take on KG's 3 year contract knowing he's only going to play out the rest of this season. 

But if KG is going to retire that basically makes him a 10 million dollar expiring contract.  Right?
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: LooseCannon on January 31, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
One assumption here is that KG shares the opinions of anonymous NBA executives about his own ability to play and the team's ability to contend next season.
Title: Re: KG retiring
Post by: Roy H. on January 31, 2013, 02:11:26 PM
Roy,

If KG officially retires, does his money count against our cap?  Or do we get that money off our cap?

Thanks,

Smitty77

If he formally retires before next league year starts, his money comes off the cap.

If he retires after the new league year starts, it would depend upon what the payment schedule of his contract is.  Any payments we make to him would be carried on our cap.

This is why I don't understand Bucher's reasoning.

If other GMs are really convinced KG is going to retire after this season, or at the latest after next season, then doesn't that make him more attractive as a trade piece? 

He seems to be saying that other teams wouldn't want to take on KG's 3 year contract knowing he's only going to play out the rest of this season. 

But if KG is going to retire that basically makes him a 10 million dollar expiring contract.  Right?

Maybe the assumption is that teams won't give up a major asset if it's just for a rental? 

My guess is the Celtics would want a legit asset, rather than just a late #1 or something.  Maybe that price tag is too high for a retiring player?

My guess is that KG wouldn't agree to a trade (he has a no-trade clause) if he only planned on playing there for 2 months.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Chief on January 31, 2013, 02:12:08 PM
Heavy minutes please!!!
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: LB3533 on January 31, 2013, 02:15:02 PM
KG seems to have way more giddy up in his legs these last few games.

Anyone else noticing the manner in which he is grabbing rebounds recently? I have.
Title: Re: KG retiring
Post by: PhoSita on January 31, 2013, 02:15:54 PM
Roy,

If KG officially retires, does his money count against our cap?  Or do we get that money off our cap?

Thanks,

Smitty77

If he formally retires before next league year starts, his money comes off the cap.

If he retires after the new league year starts, it would depend upon what the payment schedule of his contract is.  Any payments we make to him would be carried on our cap.

This is why I don't understand Bucher's reasoning.

If other GMs are really convinced KG is going to retire after this season, or at the latest after next season, then doesn't that make him more attractive as a trade piece? 

He seems to be saying that other teams wouldn't want to take on KG's 3 year contract knowing he's only going to play out the rest of this season. 

But if KG is going to retire that basically makes him a 10 million dollar expiring contract.  Right?

Maybe the assumption is that teams won't give up a major asset if it's just for a rental? 

My guess is the Celtics would want a legit asset, rather than just a late #1 or something.  Maybe that price tag is too high for a retiring player?

My guess is that KG wouldn't agree to a trade (he has a no-trade clause) if he only planned on playing there for 2 months.

You're probably right on the last bit, although he might be on board with the idea if he were going to a team on the cusp of being truly elite (e.g. being traded to the Clippers or the Thunder).

A team like that might be willing to give up something significant if they felt they were getting that last piece to really put them over the top in a fight against the other top teams (e.g. Bledsoe for the Clippers, or the Raptors lottery pick with the Thunder).
Title: Re: KG retiring
Post by: CelticG1 on January 31, 2013, 02:27:05 PM
Roy,

If KG officially retires, does his money count against our cap?  Or do we get that money off our cap?

Thanks,

Smitty77

If he formally retires before next league year starts, his money comes off the cap.

If he retires after the new league year starts, it would depend upon what the payment schedule of his contract is.  Any payments we make to him would be carried on our cap.

This is why I don't understand Bucher's reasoning.

If other GMs are really convinced KG is going to retire after this season, or at the latest after next season, then doesn't that make him more attractive as a trade piece? 

He seems to be saying that other teams wouldn't want to take on KG's 3 year contract knowing he's only going to play out the rest of this season. 

But if KG is going to retire that basically makes him a 10 million dollar expiring contract.  Right?

Maybe the assumption is that teams won't give up a major asset if it's just for a rental? 

My guess is the Celtics would want a legit asset, rather than just a late #1 or something.  Maybe that price tag is too high for a retiring player?

My guess is that KG wouldn't agree to a trade (he has a no-trade clause) if he only planned on playing there for 2 months.

You're probably right on the last bit, although he might be on board with the idea if he were going to a team on the cusp of being truly elite (e.g. being traded to the Clippers or the Thunder).

A team like that might be willing to give up something significant if they felt they were getting that last piece to really put them over the top in a fight against the other top teams (e.g. Bledsoe for the Clippers, or the Raptors lottery pick with the Thunder).

Even then I don't see KG waiving the no trade.

He's too proud and I think he'd rather just ride it out here as long as we are in the playoffs
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: mgent on January 31, 2013, 02:45:42 PM
And we almost traded Rondo for Gasol.

More he said she said I think, IMO stuff.

Is it possible he retires? Sure. Is it possible he doesnt? Sure. He looks much older this year. But Kevin Willis played til he was 42. Kurt Thomas is still starting for the Knicks on occassion. If KG wants to plat he will have a limited role somewhere.
I agree. If KG wants to play there will be a place for him.

But KG doesn't give me the impression he's an Hakeem or Willis or Parish or Moses Malone type that hangs around years past his being a top 5-8 player at his position.

He disappears in the off season and loves his privacy. I say if he gets a feeling that this was the last chances at a ring, he might retire after this year, regardless of how well he can still play.

And, yes, from what I have seen of KG this year, his athleticism and speed and movement are quite different than years past. He was undeserving of an All-Star nod. He could possibly have to give up on the idea of being a starter as early as sometime next season.

Not sure his ego or competitive spirit will go for that.
I think he looks the same as he has the last 2 years.  It what ways are he different?  He'll always get a clean look with the turn-around.  He'll always be one of the best shooting big men of all time in the pick and pop.  At 40 he'll still be quicker than most centers due to their bulk.  He already hasn't been able to jump for years.

Defensively he'll always have it just because of how smart he is and how much space he takes up.  That wingspan is just tough to overcome if you know how to use it.  I mean just look at a 38 year old Rasheed.  He can't move at all and he's still been ridiculous defensively for the Knicks, and KG will never come close to being that out of shape.

Like Rasheed who has trouble getting on the court, if Kevin retires it will probably be due to constant injuries.  The knee is what had him contemplating it in the first place.  So long as he's on the court and hitting enough shots to still be able to talk trash he's happy.  He (like Dirk) isn't like most big men, he doesn't do it for money he just genuinely loves to play the game.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: manl_lui on January 31, 2013, 02:50:08 PM
doubt it, KG isn't retiring until his legs falls off
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: j804 on January 31, 2013, 02:58:32 PM
Didnt he learn his lesson from Chris Mannix last year?
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: eugen on January 31, 2013, 03:04:48 PM
http://sulia.com/channel/basketball/f/71b89385-dd45-485d-9b1f-6d829255216c/?source=twitter

He also hints that this year might be it for KG. What's everyone else think? With Rondo gone for the year and maybe part of next and an almost impossible road to the ECFs in front of them, does KG hang them up after this year?

I donít like this...KG or other Cs player cant be Rondos depended. How about trading Rondo for Westbrook or Irving. I think KG can play for at least 2 next seasons
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Roy H. on January 31, 2013, 03:06:07 PM
How about trading Rondo for Westbrook or Irving.

Why would OKC or Cleveland do that trade?
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: StartOrien on January 31, 2013, 03:15:54 PM
"Everybody's got a price"

-Ted Dibiase

You don't walk away from 10 mil a season.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: StartOrien on January 31, 2013, 03:16:54 PM
How about trading Rondo for Westbrook or Irving.

Why would OKC or Cleveland do that trade?

They're totally bummed for us
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Fred Roberts on January 31, 2013, 03:36:33 PM
Ric Bucher is a Kobe Bryant sycophant. That's all I know about him and I don't want to know more.

"No chance" is just a ridiculous thing to say. ****' Sheed is playing right now. KG is better and has WAY more love for the game. 

Anyways, what I mean to state is that I believe Bucher is a tool bag.

KG is a horse and Bucher can keep KG's name "out his mouth".
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: ejk3489 on January 31, 2013, 04:26:22 PM
And we almost traded Rondo for Gasol.

More he said she said I think, IMO stuff.

Is it possible he retires? Sure. Is it possible he doesnt? Sure. He looks much older this year. But Kevin Willis played til he was 42. Kurt Thomas is still starting for the Knicks on occassion. If KG wants to plat he will have a limited role somewhere.

But if you compare KG's minutes to Kurt Thomas, he's played almost double the amount. Among active players, only Kidd has more minutes and games played. Should we make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs, he'll be 37. That's a lot of mileage for a guy like Garnett, who has made a living out of giving every ounce of energy he has onto the floor.

I have no idea whether he'll retire or not, but I know KG has said that when he can't produce anymore or when being around teammates is no longer enjoyable and feels like "work", he'll move onto something else.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 31, 2013, 05:06:52 PM
I think the only way KG retires before age 38-40 is injuries. You can't rule that out, though. Most 7-footers in their 30s go down at some point and can't get back up.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 31, 2013, 05:17:59 PM
Ric Bucher is not a credible reporter.

And that is all.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 31, 2013, 05:21:12 PM
Until I hear it from KG, this report is a bit.....sketchy.

I haven't seen much good spoken of with Bucher's stuff here on the blog over the years, so I'm believing that this is again the case.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: jyyzzoel on January 31, 2013, 05:37:55 PM
ric bucher is NOT a credible reporter. i remember watching him on espn when lebron, wade, and bosh were all free agents and someone asked him if it was possible they could all join up in miami.  he said it wasn't because miami wouldnt be able to afford three max contracts... and i thought, "well, what if they all take less than a max deal?" - bucher is just a guy with a mike who talks about the nba like he's an insider, but really is just a pretender.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 31, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
If the celtics aren't in a position where they are seriously contending next year then i could definitely see KG hanging it up.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Kane3387 on January 31, 2013, 05:55:43 PM
How about trading Rondo for Westbrook or Irving.

Why would OKC or Cleveland do that trade?

They wouldn't before the ACL injury. Now. There is no way at all.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: nickagneta on January 31, 2013, 06:11:11 PM
I think way to many people are confusing "love for the game" with "desire to stay in the game". KG may have endless love for the game but he doesn't need the game or fame in his life(as evidenced by his complete disappearance every year after the season ends) and he doesn't desire to be playing on losing teams(as evidenced by his wanting out of Minny when he did).

If he feels the C's can't stay competitive for a title and doesn't want to be around for a rebuild, I think he retires. Whether that is after this season or next or the year after is still to be seen, but I think its a better bet to think it will be after this season than after his contract ends.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: LooseCannon on January 31, 2013, 06:35:02 PM
If he feels the C's can't stay competitive for a title and doesn't want to be around for a rebuild, I think he retires. Whether that is after this season or next or the year after is still to be seen, but I think its a better bet to think it will be after this season than after his contract ends.

Do people here think that KG believes in Doc, Rondo, and Pierce so that he will be more optimistic than more fans here about the team's ability to contend next season?

I actually think that KG is most likely to retire in 2014 with one year left on his contract.  The partially guaranteed final year might be used, with KG's approval, in a deal with a team looking to shed salary.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: nickagneta on January 31, 2013, 06:37:47 PM
If he feels the C's can't stay competitive for a title and doesn't want to be around for a rebuild, I think he retires. Whether that is after this season or next or the year after is still to be seen, but I think its a better bet to think it will be after this season than after his contract ends.

Do people here think that KG believes in Doc, Rondo, and Pierce so that he will be more optimistic than more fans here about the team's ability to contend next season?

I actually think that KG is most likely to retire in 2014 with one year left on his contract.  The partially guaranteed final year might be used, with KG's approval, in a deal with a team looking to shed salary.
I think the same thing. He retires after next season. But, I am not completely ruling out retiring after this one just yet. Gotta see how the rest of the season goes and who stays and who goes before the trade deadline.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: Kane3387 on January 31, 2013, 06:59:24 PM
If he feels the C's can't stay competitive for a title and doesn't want to be around for a rebuild, I think he retires. Whether that is after this season or next or the year after is still to be seen, but I think its a better bet to think it will be after this season than after his contract ends.

Do people here think that KG believes in Doc, Rondo, and Pierce so that he will be more optimistic than more fans here about the team's ability to contend next season?

I actually think that KG is most likely to retire in 2014 with one year left on his contract.  The partially guaranteed final year might be used, with KG's approval, in a deal with a team looking to shed salary.
I think the same thing. He retires after next season. But, I am not completely ruling out retiring after this one just yet. Gotta see how the rest of the season goes and who stays and who goes before the trade deadline.

This is my sentiment too.
Title: Re: Ric Bucher: No chance KG plays the remaining two years of his contract
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 31, 2013, 07:57:20 PM
http://sulia.com/channel/basketball/f/71b89385-dd45-485d-9b1f-6d829255216c/?source=twitter

He also hints that this year might be it for KG. What's everyone else think? With Rondo gone for the year and maybe part of next and an almost impossible road to the ECFs in front of them, does KG hang them up after this year?

Depends in great part, I think, on how the Cs fare the rest of this season. If they improve from here on out and finish strong (whether that's in the Finals might not matter), then I can see him coming back, especially if Danny has some grand offseason plans to bring in more help and KG knows about them.