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Title: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: yagru on January 31, 2013, 02:19:31 AM
for the regular season. When its really going to hurt them is playoff time when the game changes.

Also, I still think the Cs should make a move for a ball handler. They don't have one right now and its already shown itself a few times. Once teams realize they can pressure the ball then the Cs are going to struggle.. they've already shown signs of it.

Wilcox also needs as many minutes as he can handle. The Cs are going to need him to be somewhat effective to keep this going.

Doc still needs to do better with his rotations as he can be the ultimate "ice" machine. Once again he sits someone for extended periods of time who had been hot (Jeff Green).

I am not feeling Barbosas game right now.. too many forced shots. I like what he can do but he needs to be a little more selective. Ideally we could trade him for anyone who can handle the ball.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: eugen on January 31, 2013, 09:23:31 AM
They play better of course. Watching last to games, in clear that Cs do not need Rondo. The play better wothout him
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: scaryjerry on January 31, 2013, 09:28:51 AM
They play better of course. Watching last to games, in clear that Cs do not need Rondo. The play better wothout him


They're not better without him...they certainly do play harder and with an actual sense of urgency. Probably one and done in the playoffs though
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: manl_lui on January 31, 2013, 09:31:49 AM
+1 for the optimism...

I also think the Cs will do fine without Rondo...
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: Snakehead on January 31, 2013, 09:38:17 AM
Better perimeter defense helps.

With the bump the injury causes in team effort, I think we will be better on average.  We will be better against bad or average teams like Sacramento.

Our upside is less though and we won't have Rondo to be Rondo in the playoffs.  We just won't have firepower to really challenge Miami in a series.  There's also less room for injury and getting the ball up the court and into a set will be an issue.

Right now we are also in a very dangerous position with bigs, unrelated to Rondo.  If Sully is out and Wilcox goes down again it'll be ugly.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: dreamgreen on January 31, 2013, 09:46:37 AM
By ok you mean a .500 team right?

When your best player can only play 28 mins a game I don't expect much. This team we hoped was going to be a challenger, now the expectations are lower. On top of that Doc will play PP more mins and he will even slower and more painful to watch, in a month from now keeping this core together I will be shocked if they are better than .500, but right now I'd rather have a lottery pick I guess.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: Fafnir on January 31, 2013, 09:53:17 AM
Jeff Green was hot shooting, but he screwed up several plays badly (helping lead to TOs) and also picked up a two fouls.

So Doc didn't go out of his way to keep him out there. (playing him at SG or playing him at PF) and just put Pierce back in with his normal rotations.

We were up 6 when he left the game and up 21 at half, it worked pretty well.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: yagru on January 31, 2013, 11:25:47 AM
they will be better than .500 in the regular season. they are already 2 - 0. With the depth they have they can muscle out regular season wins. With shortened rotations and elevated defense i dont think they will go far in the playoffs unless they can add another piece.

I know why doc took Jeff out, but he did not need to wait so long to put him back in. Doc does this consistently.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: Fafnir on January 31, 2013, 11:27:33 AM


I know why doc took Jeff out, but he did not need to wait so long to put him back in. Doc does this consistently.
Play Paul Pierce more than Jeff Green? Yup he sure does.

On nights when Paul doesn't have his legs, its frustrating. But on the whole I understand it and Paul was playing very well last night, much better than Green.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: Evantime34 on January 31, 2013, 11:28:51 AM
Jeff Green was hot shooting, but he screwed up several plays badly (helping lead to TOs) and also picked up a two fouls.

So Doc didn't go out of his way to keep him out there. (playing him at SG or playing him at PF) and just put Pierce back in with his normal rotations.

We were up 6 when he left the game and up 21 at half, it worked pretty well.
For someone who comes off as extremely intelligent in interviews and social media his basketball intelligence is shockingly low.

I did like that he looked to score almost every time he got the ball, that takes thinking out of the equation and allows his athleticism to take over
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: Fafnir on January 31, 2013, 11:31:39 AM
Jeff Green was hot shooting, but he screwed up several plays badly (helping lead to TOs) and also picked up a two fouls.

So Doc didn't go out of his way to keep him out there. (playing him at SG or playing him at PF) and just put Pierce back in with his normal rotations.

We were up 6 when he left the game and up 21 at half, it worked pretty well.
For someone who comes off as extremely intelligent in interviews and social media his basketball intelligence is shockingly low.

I did like that he looked to score almost every time he got the ball, that takes thinking out of the equation and allows his athleticism to take over
Yeah but it also leads to a lot of out of control drives some games.

Green is a frustrating player to watch, that's for sure. Especially when you see he has the size and athleticism to play with a monster like LeBron. Just makes me appreciate Paul more I guess.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: kozlodoev on January 31, 2013, 12:23:28 PM
Green is a frustrating player to watch, that's for sure. Especially when you see he has the size and athleticism to play with a monster like LeBron. Just makes me appreciate Paul more I guess.
I find Green miscast in his role as a primary backup for 2 or 3 positions. He's not instant offence, and I think he'll be considerably more useful in a starting role, where he can plays as a complementary piece for most of the game, the way he did in OKC.

Unfortunately, I don't see this role being available on our roster for the observable future.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: yagru on January 31, 2013, 05:37:48 PM

On nights when Paul doesn't have his legs, its frustrating. But on the whole I understand it and Paul was playing very well last night, much better than Green.

ok this makes me angry. you dont know what you are talking about.

Jeff Green was 5 for 5 when he left the game (7:39 left 2nd qtr) and had scored 8 out of the last 10 Cs points. He did not re enter the game until 4:43 left in the 3rd quarter. I would not expect anyone to maintain their touch through that time period. Thats over 11 minutes of game time plus intermission etc. Fouls were irrelevant last night.

This is a very bad way to handle subs imo. Pierce could/should have played less minutes. We cant expect so much from Green if hes getting the seat pulled from under him everytime he goes on a run
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: kozlodoev on January 31, 2013, 05:44:51 PM
Jeff Green was 5 for 5 when he left the game (7:39 left 2nd qtr) and had scored 8 out of the last 10 Cs points. He did not re enter the game until 4:43 left in the 3rd quarter. I would not expect anyone to maintain their touch through that time period.
Funny, because that's pretty much what a lot of bench players manage to do just fine.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 31, 2013, 05:49:19 PM

On nights when Paul doesn't have his legs, its frustrating. But on the whole I understand it and Paul was playing very well last night, much better than Green.

ok this makes me angry. you dont know what you are talking about.

Jeff Green was 5 for 5 when he left the game (7:39 left 2nd qtr) and had scored 8 out of the last 10 Cs points. He did not re enter the game until 4:43 left in the 3rd quarter. I would not expect anyone to maintain their touch through that time period. Thats over 11 minutes of game time plus intermission etc. Fouls were irrelevant last night.

This is a very bad way to handle subs imo. Pierce could/should have played less minutes. We cant expect so much from Green if hes getting the seat pulled from under him everytime he goes on a run

This ^ You're making far too much sense for some of the people on these forums tho lol.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: Fafnir on January 31, 2013, 05:51:05 PM

On nights when Paul doesn't have his legs, its frustrating. But on the whole I understand it and Paul was playing very well last night, much better than Green.

ok this makes me angry. you dont know what you are talking about.

Jeff Green was 5 for 5 when he left the game (7:39 left 2nd qtr) and had scored 8 out of the last 10 Cs points. He did not re enter the game until 4:43 left in the 3rd quarter. I would not expect anyone to maintain their touch through that time period. Thats over 11 minutes of game time plus intermission etc. Fouls were irrelevant last night.

This is a very bad way to handle subs imo. Pierce could/should have played less minutes. We cant expect so much from Green if hes getting the seat pulled from under him everytime he goes on a run
I'm sorry that you're angry that Doc feels that Paul Pierce should play more time than Jeff Green.  Jeff Green hit his shots early last night, but he didn't really play that well otherwise. Doc cares a lot more about the other things (especially with Green) than he does makes/misses.

You'll notice the team kept right on going and expanded that 6 point lead when Green left to 20+ points.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 31, 2013, 05:57:32 PM

On nights when Paul doesn't have his legs, its frustrating. But on the whole I understand it and Paul was playing very well last night, much better than Green.

ok this makes me angry. you dont know what you are talking about.

Jeff Green was 5 for 5 when he left the game (7:39 left 2nd qtr) and had scored 8 out of the last 10 Cs points. He did not re enter the game until 4:43 left in the 3rd quarter. I would not expect anyone to maintain their touch through that time period. Thats over 11 minutes of game time plus intermission etc. Fouls were irrelevant last night.

This is a very bad way to handle subs imo. Pierce could/should have played less minutes. We cant expect so much from Green if hes getting the seat pulled from under him everytime he goes on a run
I'm sorry that you're angry that Doc feels that Paul Pierce should play more time than Jeff Green.  Jeff Green hit his shots early last night, but he didn't really play that well otherwise. Doc cares a lot more about the other things (especially with Green) than he does makes/misses.

You'll notice the team kept right on going and expanded that 6 point lead when Green left to 20+ points.

Nobody is saying pulling green caused the celtics to do poorly or anything. Still, green was playing well when he was pulled. Just because his name is "Paul pierce" does not mean he should play more than green especially on the nights where pierce is bricking everything he shoots. If pierce has it going fine but if green has it going play green.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: Fafnir on January 31, 2013, 06:03:04 PM

On nights when Paul doesn't have his legs, its frustrating. But on the whole I understand it and Paul was playing very well last night, much better than Green.

ok this makes me angry. you dont know what you are talking about.

Jeff Green was 5 for 5 when he left the game (7:39 left 2nd qtr) and had scored 8 out of the last 10 Cs points. He did not re enter the game until 4:43 left in the 3rd quarter. I would not expect anyone to maintain their touch through that time period. Thats over 11 minutes of game time plus intermission etc. Fouls were irrelevant last night.

This is a very bad way to handle subs imo. Pierce could/should have played less minutes. We cant expect so much from Green if hes getting the seat pulled from under him everytime he goes on a run
I'm sorry that you're angry that Doc feels that Paul Pierce should play more time than Jeff Green.  Jeff Green hit his shots early last night, but he didn't really play that well otherwise. Doc cares a lot more about the other things (especially with Green) than he does makes/misses.

You'll notice the team kept right on going and expanded that 6 point lead when Green left to 20+ points.

Nobody is saying pulling green caused the celtics to do poorly or anything. Still, green was playing well when he was pulled. Just because his name is "Paul pierce" does not mean he should play more than green especially on the nights where pierce is bricking everything he shoots. If pierce has it going fine but if green has it going play green.
1. Pierce did have it going, he played great last night.

2. Green shot well in the first half, which is great. That doesn't mean he was "playing well".
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: mustang on January 31, 2013, 06:10:07 PM

On nights when Paul doesn't have his legs, its frustrating. But on the whole I understand it and Paul was playing very well last night, much better than Green.

ok this makes me angry. you dont know what you are talking about.

Jeff Green was 5 for 5 when he left the game (7:39 left 2nd qtr) and had scored 8 out of the last 10 Cs points. He did not re enter the game until 4:43 left in the 3rd quarter. I would not expect anyone to maintain their touch through that time period. Thats over 11 minutes of game time plus intermission etc. Fouls were irrelevant last night.

This is a very bad way to handle subs imo. Pierce could/should have played less minutes. We cant expect so much from Green if hes getting the seat pulled from under him everytime he goes on a run
I'm sorry that you're angry that Doc feels that Paul Pierce should play more time than Jeff Green.  Jeff Green hit his shots early last night, but he didn't really play that well otherwise. Doc cares a lot more about the other things (especially with Green) than he does makes/misses.

You'll notice the team kept right on going and expanded that 6 point lead when Green left to 20+ points.

Nobody is saying pulling green caused the celtics to do poorly or anything. Still, green was playing well when he was pulled. Just because his name is "Paul pierce" does not mean he should play more than green especially on the nights where pierce is bricking everything he shoots. If pierce has it going fine but if green has it going play green.
1. Pierce did have it going, he played great last night.

2. Green shot well in the first half, which is great. That doesn't mean he was "playing well".

There's nothing "wrong" with Doc pulling Green when he did, putting him back in when he did etc., it's just a missed opportunity to (1) let a guy returning from injury have a heat check moment or two in a midweek, midseason regular season game against a garbage Western Conference squad and (2) rest the Captain (who's had tired legs for several weeks) a little bit longer.  It's emblematic of the country club atmosphere that seems to be present (for better and for worse) on Doc's Celtics teams.

I love Pierce and want to see him retire a Celtic.  At the same time, from what I can tell, a lot of people (and Doc) think the following:

1. Don't trade Pierce.
2. Don't play Pierce off the bench.
3. Don't reduce Pierce's minutes.
4. Don't experiment with running the offense through anyone other than Pierce when he's on the court.
5. I want the Celtics to win the 2012-13 NBA championship.

I'm sorry, but one of these statements is not like the others.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 31, 2013, 06:11:29 PM
Rondo can play lights out ...when he feels like it..

Unless its a big TV game or playoff. Or game Rondo has personal interest in......he often just plays a lazy ball dominating game that puts the rest of the team at odds, they get no rhythm and suck.

Dominating The ball standing around letting the defense set up kills the flow to the game, , he is killing the teams momentum at bad moments.   

,when Rondo decides to play its amazing to watch......just too seldom he brings the effort.

Doc is to blame.....Rondo.  Lazy  brainless turnovers and poor ball movement should have him benched

We will be ok during most of the games long as everybody else is healthy,  Rondo will be seriously missed if the Celtics make the playoffs.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 31, 2013, 06:13:37 PM

On nights when Paul doesn't have his legs, its frustrating. But on the whole I understand it and Paul was playing very well last night, much better than Green.

ok this makes me angry. you dont know what you are talking about.

Jeff Green was 5 for 5 when he left the game (7:39 left 2nd qtr) and had scored 8 out of the last 10 Cs points. He did not re enter the game until 4:43 left in the 3rd quarter. I would not expect anyone to maintain their touch through that time period. Thats over 11 minutes of game time plus intermission etc. Fouls were irrelevant last night.

This is a very bad way to handle subs imo. Pierce could/should have played less minutes. We cant expect so much from Green if hes getting the seat pulled from under him everytime he goes on a run
I'm sorry that you're angry that Doc feels that Paul Pierce should play more time than Jeff Green.  Jeff Green hit his shots early last night, but he didn't really play that well otherwise. Doc cares a lot more about the other things (especially with Green) than he does makes/misses.

You'll notice the team kept right on going and expanded that 6 point lead when Green left to 20+ points.

Nobody is saying pulling green caused the celtics to do poorly or anything. Still, green was playing well when he was pulled. Just because his name is "Paul pierce" does not mean he should play more than green especially on the nights where pierce is bricking everything he shoots. If pierce has it going fine but if green has it going play green.
1. Pierce did have it going, he played great last night.

2. Green shot well in the first half, which is great. That doesn't mean he was "playing well".

lol alright then.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 31, 2013, 06:26:44 PM
Rondo can play lights out ...when he feels like it..

Unless its a big TV game or playoff. Or game Rondo has personal interest in......he often just plays a lazy ball dominating game that puts the rest of the team at odds, they get no rhythm and suck.

Dominating The ball standing around letting the defense set up kills the flow to the game, , he is killing the teams momentum at bad moments.   

,when Rondo decides to play its amazing to watch......just too seldom he brings the effort.

Doc is to blame.....Rondo.  Lazy  brainless turnovers and poor ball movement should have him benched

We will be ok during most of the games long as everybody else is healthy,  Rondo will be seriously missed if the Celtics make the playoffs.

I agree completely. Rondo hurts this team more than people are willing to admit. That being said we won't win a championship without him. Not with this current team anyways.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: mustang on January 31, 2013, 06:36:14 PM
I actually think the C's have a punchers chance to make a run without Rondo this year, and to just as importantly set themselves up to bring him back into the fold of a powerhouse contending team next year. But this requires Doc tweaking things a little bit.

My two cents on how to make this happen:

1. Reduce Pierce's minutes to 30-32, something similar to the KG plan.
2. Start the following lineup the rest of the season:

Bradley
Pierce
Green
Sullinger
KG

Bradley and Green take the toughest covers among guards/wings, and let Pierce bring the ball up and facilitate. Shorten the bench to an eight-man rotation (with spot minutes for the ninth man in, Wilcox):

Lee
Bass
Terry

Bring Lee/Bass in for Pierce/KG halfway through the first and turn on the afterburners.

Then, next season, when Rondo's healthy, make Pierce the sixth man and win a championship for his and KG's farewell tour around the league.  Rinse, repeat.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 31, 2013, 06:38:31 PM
I hope you enjoy .500 ball, because that's what we'll be playing with Rondo out.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: kozlodoev on January 31, 2013, 06:47:20 PM
I hope you enjoy .500 ball, because that's what we'll be playing with Rondo out.
Well, for what it's worth, we were firmly planted in sub-.500 land with Rondo, so...
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: BballTim on January 31, 2013, 06:58:27 PM
Rondo can play lights out ...when he feels like it..

Unless its a big TV game or playoff. Or game Rondo has personal interest in......

  Meaning it's not just playoff games, it's not just national tv games, whenever Rondo has a good game people theorize about why he might have a personal interest in the game in order to perpetuate this myth.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 31, 2013, 07:04:47 PM
I hope you enjoy .500 ball, because that's what we'll be playing with Rondo out.
Well, for what it's worth, we were firmly planted in sub-.500 land with Rondo, so...

True.  TP.

Let me rephrase this: I hope the OP enjoys an early playoff exit, because that's where we're headed with Rondo out.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: yagru on January 31, 2013, 07:10:02 PM
fafnir: im not angry at doc, just your illegitimate comment "Green wasnt playing well". In the end this game is about who has more points on the board. period.

to above: who said anything about enjoying rondo being out? Im just commenting that they will do fine in the regular season when its our 10 best guys vs theirs. Nothing has changed from the beginning of the season, the celtics have more talent than most teams.. and that will show better with these rotations. When it doesnt matter is when you get into the playoffs and its our best 7-8 vs theirs.. thats when Rondos absence will be evident.

They could still do something in the playoffs if they remain healthy and find someone become their go to ball handler.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: j804 on January 31, 2013, 07:24:10 PM
Rondo can play lights out ...when he feels like it..

Unless its a big TV game or playoff. Or game Rondo has personal interest in......

  Meaning it's not just playoff games, it's not just national tv games, whenever Rondo has a good game people theorize about why he might have a personal interest in the game in order to perpetuate this myth.
LOL Tim rides Rondo sooo hard he might be the biggest Rondo fan in the world
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: BballTim on January 31, 2013, 07:53:54 PM
Rondo can play lights out ...when he feels like it..

Unless its a big TV game or playoff. Or game Rondo has personal interest in......

  Meaning it's not just playoff games, it's not just national tv games, whenever Rondo has a good game people theorize about why he might have a personal interest in the game in order to perpetuate this myth.
LOL Tim rides Rondo sooo hard he might be the biggest Rondo fan in the world

  ...or maybe someone who's opinion isn't overly influenced by what they read on the internet. Rondo's been an all-star 4 years in a row, 1st or 2nd team all-defense 4 years running, he's 3rd team all-nba, and he's a top 10-12 player according to espn player rankings.

  None of that really proves how good of a player he is, but read the posts in the Rondo threads, consider the things I mentioned (all national things, not just blind homers vote for those things) and tell me my opinion's farther from the mainstream opinion of Rondo than the people who are trashing him.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: Tr1boy on February 01, 2013, 09:50:15 PM
can someone tell me how for the last 3 games we have 5 or more guys score 10 or more points without rondo and with him these kind of nights are rare? I usually remember a pierce shooting 7 out of 20 or something like that.

Great win again. We will give the clippers alot more than they can handle vs the last time. Need KG and Wilcox out there vs Jordan and Griffin. I'd like to see lee, barbosa and bradley give paul all he can handle on the defensive end
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: bfrombleacher on February 01, 2013, 09:53:26 PM
can someone tell me how for the last 3 games we have 5 or more guys score 10 or more points without rondo and with him these kind of nights are rare? I usually remember a pierce shooting 7 out of 20 or something like that.

Great win again. We will give the clippers alot more than they can handle vs the last time. Need KG and Wilcox out there vs Jordan and Griffin. I'd like to see lee, barbosa and bradley give paul all he can handle on the defensive end

Doc.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: FatjohnReturns on February 01, 2013, 10:05:17 PM
Rondo can play lights out ...when he feels like it..

Unless its a big TV game or playoff. Or game Rondo has personal interest in......

  Meaning it's not just playoff games, it's not just national tv games, whenever Rondo has a good game people theorize about why he might have a personal interest in the game in order to perpetuate this myth.
LOL Tim rides Rondo sooo hard he might be the biggest Rondo fan in the world

  ...or maybe someone who's opinion isn't overly influenced by what they read on the internet. Rondo's been an all-star 4 years in a row, 1st or 2nd team all-defense 4 years running, he's 3rd team all-nba, and he's a top 10-12 player according to espn player rankings.

  None of that really proves how good of a player he is, but read the posts in the Rondo threads, consider the things I mentioned (all national things, not just blind homers vote for those things) and tell me my opinion's farther from the mainstream opinion of Rondo than the people who are trashing him.

Just because most people believe it doesnt make it accurate. Everyone in the middle ages believed the world was flat.

Remember I told you someday the myth would be broken. Fairly easy to see now Rondo doesnt make his teammates better. The Celtics play better as a team when he is not on the court.

Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on February 01, 2013, 10:19:07 PM
Rondo can play lights out ...when he feels like it..

Unless its a big TV game or playoff. Or game Rondo has personal interest in......

  Meaning it's not just playoff games, it's not just national tv games, whenever Rondo has a good game people theorize about why he might have a personal interest in the game in order to perpetuate this myth.
LOL Tim rides Rondo sooo hard he might be the biggest Rondo fan in the world

  ...or maybe someone who's opinion isn't overly influenced by what they read on the internet. Rondo's been an all-star 4 years in a row, 1st or 2nd team all-defense 4 years running, he's 3rd team all-nba, and he's a top 10-12 player according to espn player rankings.

  None of that really proves how good of a player he is, but read the posts in the Rondo threads, consider the things I mentioned (all national things, not just blind homers vote for those things) and tell me my opinion's farther from the mainstream opinion of Rondo than the people who are trashing him.

Just because most people believe it doesnt make it accurate. Everyone in the middle ages believed the world was flat.

Remember I told you someday the myth would be broken. Fairly easy to see now Rondo doesnt make his teammates better. The Celtics play better as a team when he is not on the court.

Those guards sure are creating more, passing well and even dribble driving now. strange huh?  ;D
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: staticcc on February 01, 2013, 10:22:26 PM
can someone tell me how for the last 3 games we have 5 or more guys score 10 or more points without rondo and with him these kind of nights are rare? I usually remember a pierce shooting 7 out of 20 or something like that.

Great win again. We will give the clippers alot more than they can handle vs the last time. Need KG and Wilcox out there vs Jordan and Griffin. I'd like to see lee, barbosa and bradley give paul all he can handle on the defensive end

Paul probably won't play though
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: BballTim on February 02, 2013, 05:15:21 AM
Rondo can play lights out ...when he feels like it..

Unless its a big TV game or playoff. Or game Rondo has personal interest in......

  Meaning it's not just playoff games, it's not just national tv games, whenever Rondo has a good game people theorize about why he might have a personal interest in the game in order to perpetuate this myth.
LOL Tim rides Rondo sooo hard he might be the biggest Rondo fan in the world

  ...or maybe someone who's opinion isn't overly influenced by what they read on the internet. Rondo's been an all-star 4 years in a row, 1st or 2nd team all-defense 4 years running, he's 3rd team all-nba, and he's a top 10-12 player according to espn player rankings.

  None of that really proves how good of a player he is, but read the posts in the Rondo threads, consider the things I mentioned (all national things, not just blind homers vote for those things) and tell me my opinion's farther from the mainstream opinion of Rondo than the people who are trashing him.

Just because most people believe it doesnt make it accurate. Everyone in the middle ages believed the world was flat.

Remember I told you someday the myth would be broken. Fairly easy to see now Rondo doesnt make his teammates better. The Celtics play better as a team when he is not on the court.

  Sure, everybody knows that just because most people believe it doesnt make it accurate, thanks for the great illustration though. My point wasn't that most people agreeing with me made it right, it was that most peopleagreeing with me means that disputing some of the nonsense that's said about Rondo doesn't put me in the "I think the sun revolves around the earth" group like some people think it does.

  And you'd need to somehow erase the last few years if you wanted to "break the myth of Rondo". It's easy to show that the Celt's offense was better earlier in the year when Rondo was healthier and in a good rhythm, just like it's easy to show that the same was true in the last few seasons. In your mind a smattering of mediocre games when he's in and out of the lineup somehow disproves years of play, that's not really how things work though.

  The people who spent much of the fall complaining about Rondo's play during the assist streak and waxing poetic about how much better the offense looks when he has the ball less sound brilliant to each other, not so much to people who have an inkling about what our ORtg has looked like over that time.
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: BballTim on February 02, 2013, 05:20:43 AM
can someone tell me how for the last 3 games we have 5 or more guys score 10 or more points without rondo and with him these kind of nights are rare? I usually remember a pierce shooting 7 out of 20 or something like that.

  How rare was it for those nights to occur with Rondo playing?
Title: Re: The Cs will be ok without Rondo..
Post by: cltc5 on February 02, 2013, 06:46:36 AM
Before it was Rondo and the Celtics.  Now it's the Celtics.