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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: CelticSooner on January 30, 2013, 09:16:53 PM
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Do you see Detroit buying out Calderon? I wonder if he would like playing in green. Would be a nice addition for the vet min.
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Do you see Detroit buying out Calderon? I wonder if he would like playing in green. Would be a nice addition for the vet min.
Why in the world would they do that? Any reasoning or just because you think it'd be good for us?
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I could see Detroit buying our Calderon if they didnt see any upside in him remaining in Detroit.
But, I have a different question; if Detroit buys out Calderon, could he resign in Toronto?
He was traded by the raptors to the grizzlies, then by the grizzlies to the pistons.
So if he were bought out, would he be restricted from resigning with Memphis, Toronto, or both under the CBA?
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Maybe they want to save some cash. I don't see Calderon being in their plans for the future. Seems like filler for cap space.
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I could see Detroit buying our Calderon if they didnt see any upside in him remaining in Detroit.
But, I have a different question; if Detroit buys out Calderon, could he resign in Toronto?
He was traded by the raptors to the grizzlies, then by the grizzlies to the pistons.
So if he were bought out, would he be restricted from resigning with Memphis, Toronto, or both under the CBA?
Not surprisingly, Larry Coon has described precisely this scenario:
Interestingly, by the letter of the rule a player could be traded to a third team, waived by the third team, and be eligible to re-sign with his original team before the waiting period expires. However, the league likely would disallow such signing per the general prohibition on circumvention (see question number 103) if this was done in order to circumvent the rule
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I could see Detroit buying our Calderon if they didnt see any upside in him remaining in Detroit.
But, I have a different question; if Detroit buys out Calderon, could he resign in Toronto?
He was traded by the raptors to the grizzlies, then by the grizzlies to the pistons.
So if he were bought out, would he be restricted from resigning with Memphis, Toronto, or both under the CBA?
Not surprisingly, Larry Coon has described precisely this scenario:
Interestingly, by the letter of the rule a player could be traded to a third team, waived by the third team, and be eligible to re-sign with his original team before the waiting period expires. However, the league likely would disallow such signing per the general prohibition on circumvention (see question number 103) if this was done in order to circumvent the rule
I could see some legitimate complaint from the Raptors if this was disallowed. The trade from Memphis was a legitimate one, and did not benefit the Raptors in any way. It would be hard to show any kind of evidence that it was done to circumvent the rule.
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I could see Detroit buying our Calderon if they didnt see any upside in him remaining in Detroit.
But, I have a different question; if Detroit buys out Calderon, could he resign in Toronto?
He was traded by the raptors to the grizzlies, then by the grizzlies to the pistons.
So if he were bought out, would he be restricted from resigning with Memphis, Toronto, or both under the CBA?
Not surprisingly, Larry Coon has described precisely this scenario:
Interestingly, by the letter of the rule a player could be traded to a third team, waived by the third team, and be eligible to re-sign with his original team before the waiting period expires. However, the league likely would disallow such signing per the general prohibition on circumvention (see question number 103) if this was done in order to circumvent the rule
I could see some legitimate complaint from the Raptors if this was disallowed. The trade from Memphis was a legitimate one, and did not benefit the Raptors in any way. It would be hard to show any kind of evidence that it was done to circumvent the rule.
Useless talk, seeing as Toronto traded Calderon away because they already had Lowry and didn't need Calderon anymore. Signing him again would be rather pointless.
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I could see Detroit buying our Calderon if they didnt see any upside in him remaining in Detroit.
But, I have a different question; if Detroit buys out Calderon, could he resign in Toronto?
He was traded by the raptors to the grizzlies, then by the grizzlies to the pistons.
So if he were bought out, would he be restricted from resigning with Memphis, Toronto, or both under the CBA?
I don't think Toronto can pick him right back up after a trade. I think its one of the new rules, keeping teams from trading, getting good players for their good players and then just resigning them a week later after the team buys them out.
Could be wrong, but Im pretty sure.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5n5WNmzfOo
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I could see Detroit buying our Calderon if they didnt see any upside in him remaining in Detroit.
But, I have a different question; if Detroit buys out Calderon, could he resign in Toronto?
He was traded by the raptors to the grizzlies, then by the grizzlies to the pistons.
So if he were bought out, would he be restricted from resigning with Memphis, Toronto, or both under the CBA?
Not surprisingly, Larry Coon has described precisely this scenario:
Interestingly, by the letter of the rule a player could be traded to a third team, waived by the third team, and be eligible to re-sign with his original team before the waiting period expires. However, the league likely would disallow such signing per the general prohibition on circumvention (see question number 103) if this was done in order to circumvent the rule
I could see some legitimate complaint from the Raptors if this was disallowed. The trade from Memphis was a legitimate one, and did not benefit the Raptors in any way. It would be hard to show any kind of evidence that it was done to circumvent the rule.
Useless talk, seeing as Toronto traded Calderon away because they already had Lowry and didn't need Calderon anymore. Signing him again would be rather pointless.
I think they'd take him back if all it cost was a contract. They reportedly like him better than Lowry.
They made the trade to get Gay, not to get away from Calderon. That said, I'm sure there are better options for Calderon than to go back to Toronto.
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I could see Detroit buying our Calderon if they didnt see any upside in him remaining in Detroit.
But, I have a different question; if Detroit buys out Calderon, could he resign in Toronto?
He was traded by the raptors to the grizzlies, then by the grizzlies to the pistons.
So if he were bought out, would he be restricted from resigning with Memphis, Toronto, or both under the CBA?
Not surprisingly, Larry Coon has described precisely this scenario:
Interestingly, by the letter of the rule a player could be traded to a third team, waived by the third team, and be eligible to re-sign with his original team before the waiting period expires. However, the league likely would disallow such signing per the general prohibition on circumvention (see question number 103) if this was done in order to circumvent the rule
I could see some legitimate complaint from the Raptors if this was disallowed. The trade from Memphis was a legitimate one, and did not benefit the Raptors in any way. It would be hard to show any kind of evidence that it was done to circumvent the rule.
Useless talk, seeing as Toronto traded Calderon away because they already had Lowry and didn't need Calderon anymore. Signing him again would be rather pointless.
I think they'd take him back if all it cost was a contract. They reportedly like him better than Lowry.
They made the trade to get Gay, not to get away from Calderon. That said, I'm sure there are better options for Calderon than to go back to Toronto.
I've read multiple reports saying the Raptors organization prefers Lowry over Calderon.
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I've read multiple reports saying the Raptors organization prefers Lowry over Calderon.
I think I've read reports that the front office was split over who they preferred.
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I've read multiple reports saying the Raptors organization prefers Lowry over Calderon.
Ken Berger recently reported the opposite:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/21614044/postups-whether-dealing-gasol-howard-or-standing-pat-lakers-in-bind
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I could see Detroit buying our Calderon if they didnt see any upside in him remaining in Detroit.
But, I have a different question; if Detroit buys out Calderon, could he resign in Toronto?
He was traded by the raptors to the grizzlies, then by the grizzlies to the pistons.
So if he were bought out, would he be restricted from resigning with Memphis, Toronto, or both under the CBA?
I don't think Toronto can pick him right back up after a trade. I think its one of the new rules, keeping teams from trading, getting good players for their good players and then just resigning them a week later after the team buys them out.
Could be wrong, but Im pretty sure.
The rule, as I understand it (and backed by the Coons quote from Roy above) is that it only limits the most recent team to trade away the player. Since the trade went Calderon to Memphis, then Memphis to Detroit, techinically I believe Toronto could pick him up after the buyout.
This is of course assuming the NBA doesn't just veto the whole thing.
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this is from HoopsHype:
Keith Langlois @Keith_Langlois
PIstons came close on Calderon on draft day 2011. Toronto pulled out when Valanciunas fell to them. They obviously like his PG skills.
looks like they like him, and will probably keep him.
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I could see Detroit buying our Calderon if they didnt see any upside in him remaining in Detroit.
But, I have a different question; if Detroit buys out Calderon, could he resign in Toronto?
He was traded by the raptors to the grizzlies, then by the grizzlies to the pistons.
So if he were bought out, would he be restricted from resigning with Memphis, Toronto, or both under the CBA?
Not surprisingly, Larry Coon has described precisely this scenario:
Interestingly, by the letter of the rule a player could be traded to a third team, waived by the third team, and be eligible to re-sign with his original team before the waiting period expires. However, the league likely would disallow such signing per the general prohibition on circumvention (see question number 103) if this was done in order to circumvent the rule
I could see some legitimate complaint from the Raptors if this was disallowed. The trade from Memphis was a legitimate one, and did not benefit the Raptors in any way. It would be hard to show any kind of evidence that it was done to circumvent the rule.
Useless talk, seeing as Toronto traded Calderon away because they already had Lowry and didn't need Calderon anymore. Signing him again would be rather pointless.
Aside from, as others have stated, that the most recent reports state the organization was divided over Lowry/Calderon, what exactly is 'useful talk'? Seems like most of what we do here is actually useless talk since (and Im assuming here) none of us are Brian Colangelo.
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Hamed Haddadi goes from Memphis to Toronto in the trade, but league source says he'll likely be waived and bought out.
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Jose Calderon could still end up in Boston
Jose Calderon was just traded to the Pistons as part of the 3-team Rudy Gay trade. What's interesting about the trade is that the Pistons didn't want Calderon to be their point guard. They were attracted to his expiring contract and the chance to dump Tayshaun Prince's rich deal for a couple more years. If it hasn't been done already, expect Calderon's agent and Pistons GM Joe Dumars to discuss the possibility of a buyout of the remaining millions in Calderon's contract. There a chance that Dumars will want to hold on to Calderon, but in these types of trades, guys get bought out all the time.
Now if Calderon does in fact get bought out that doesn't mean he's Boston bound. Any team wanting a point guard would go after him. But unless (or until) Dumars says he will not consider buying out Calderon, he'll remain a green target of interest. We'll keep you posted.
http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/jose_calderon_could_still_end_up_in_boston/12797728
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Hamed Haddadi goes from Memphis to Toronto in the trade, but league source says he'll likely be waived and bought out.
If is gonna be waived, Cs should get him and waive Collins or Wilcox
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Hamed Haddadi goes from Memphis to Toronto in the trade, but league source says he'll likely be waived and bought out.
If is gonna be waived, Cs should get him and waive Collins or Wilcox
Hamed Haddadi is as awful as Mozgov. Which makes him roundly useless (or at least as "useful" as the bottom of the rotation guys we already have on the roster).
Also, waiving people is not necessary, we have 13 players on the roster.
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Hamed Haddadi goes from Memphis to Toronto in the trade, but league source says he'll likely be waived and bought out.
If is gonna be waived, Cs should get him and waive Collins or Wilcox
Why would we do that?
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Detroit has desperately been looking for a PG for years now, and they finally have one. I see no reason for them to buy him out.
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Detroit has desperately been looking for a PG for years now, and they finally have one. I see no reason for them to buy him out.
Yep, and as weird as it sounds, Detroit actually thinks it might be able to make a run at the playoffs (5.5 behind Boston). Sure they got out of Prince's contract, but they did actually want Calderon.
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Detroit has desperately been looking for a PG for years now, and they finally have one. I see no reason for them to buy him out.
Yep, and as weird as it sounds, Detroit actually thinks it might be able to make a run at the playoffs (5.5 behind Boston). Sure they got out of Prince's contract, but they did actually want Calderon.
Its not weird they traded a top 14 protected pick to the Bobcats. I wouldn't be shocked if they'd rather give it up this year than next. (especially if the protections diminish)
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Detroit has desperately been looking for a PG for years now, and they finally have one. I see no reason for them to buy him out.
Yep, and as weird as it sounds, Detroit actually thinks it might be able to make a run at the playoffs (5.5 behind Boston). Sure they got out of Prince's contract, but they did actually want Calderon.
Its not weird they traded a top 14 protected pick to the Bobcats. I wouldn't be shocked if they'd rather give it up this year than next. (especially if the protections diminish)
That, plus they have two of the most promising young big men in the league, and they both would benefit greatly from getting a taste of the playoffs.
I actually think Detroit is a very solid team, and were just missing that floor leader to bring it all together. Now that they have them, I think they could be a real threat for that 8th seed.
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Detroit has desperately been looking for a PG for years now, and they finally have one. I see no reason for them to buy him out.
Yep, and as weird as it sounds, Detroit actually thinks it might be able to make a run at the playoffs (5.5 behind Boston). Sure they got out of Prince's contract, but they did actually want Calderon.
Its not weird they traded a top 14 protected pick to the Bobcats. I wouldn't be shocked if they'd rather give it up this year than next. (especially if the protections diminish)
That, plus they have two of the most promising young big men in the league, and they both would benefit greatly from getting a taste of the playoffs.
I actually think Detroit is a very solid team, and were just missing that floor leader to bring it all together. Now that they have them, I think they could be a real threat for that 8th seed.
Yep. And man are they looking good from a cap perspective. This summer, they could cut Stuckey, amnesty CV (i think?), and have quite a bit of space for signings or trades.
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Calderon is 31. Detroit is nothing but young guys now. Brandon Wright still needs a lot of game experience. Detroit got worse in this deal overall because they have no one to play the 3. Magette has been out of the rotation all year.
At 31 and expiring Calderon isn't a fit there. Expect him to be bought out. Doubt he comes to Boston though. The KG thing probably hurt his pride.
Look for him to go to Miami. Great great fit there.
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Calderon is 31. Detroit is nothing but young guys now. Brandon Wright still needs a lot of game experience. Detroit got worse in this deal overall because they have no one to play the 3. Magette has been out of the rotation all year.
At 31 and expiring Calderon isn't a fit there. Expect him to be bought out. Doubt he comes to Boston though. The KG thing probably hurt his pride.
Look for him to go to Miami. Great great fit there.
What reason would Detroit have for buying him out? They just saved like $15mil, and have been looking for a true PG to compliment work with Knight for 2 years.
They're much better off keeping him, testing a fit as a vet, then reviewing their options with him over the summer.
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Calderon is 31. Detroit is nothing but young guys now. Brandon Wright still needs a lot of game experience. Detroit got worse in this deal overall because they have no one to play the 3. Magette has been out of the rotation all year.
At 31 and expiring Calderon isn't a fit there. Expect him to be bought out. Doubt he comes to Boston though. The KG thing probably hurt his pride.
Look for him to go to Miami. Great great fit there.
What reason would Detroit have for buying him out? They just saved like $15mil, and have been looking for a true PG to compliment work with Knight for 2 years.
They're much better off keeping him, testing a fit as a vet, then reviewing their options with him over the summer.
Blocks the development of Wright. Teams are always willing to cut costs when they're not winning. Also what makes you think Jose wouldn't prefer one? Why finish the year out on a lottery team like Detroit if you could go win in a ring in Miami ?
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Is Detroit really going to go with a Calderon-Knight backcourt, and force one of those two to play out of position? It doesn't make sense to me.
Detroit should just look to flip or buy out Calderon. He doesn't fit the roster in the short term, and he can only complicate the development of Knight as the Pistons PG of the future.
Two trade ideas for Detroit: to Dallas for Kaman, or to Utah for Mo Williams. Both those deals save a little money this season, and have no future cap implications. Perhaps Detroit could wrangle some additional sweetener out of the deal in the form of cash or a 2nd rounder. And then flip either Kaman or Williams for another, cheaper expiring contract.
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They play Knight with another PG all the time in Detroit, I don't see why they'd stop now.
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They play Knight with another PG all the time in Detroit, I don't see why they'd stop now.
Knight is the PG. Making Calderon the SG in that lineup sounds like a recipe for disaster on defense, and takes the ball out of his hands on offense.
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They play Knight with another PG all the time in Detroit, I don't see why they'd stop now.
Knight is the PG. Making Calderon the SG in that lineup sounds like a recipe for disaster on defense, and takes the ball out of his hands on offense.
Stuckey handled the ball an awful lot when they paired up.
I think they'll keep doing that sort of thing.
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They play Knight with another PG all the time in Detroit, I don't see why they'd stop now.
Knight is the PG. Making Calderon the SG in that lineup sounds like a recipe for disaster on defense, and takes the ball out of his hands on offense.
Stuckey handled the ball an awful lot when they paired up.
I think they'll keep doing that sort of thing.
Well, Stuckey's a 6'5" combo guard who tends to dominate the ball when he's on the floor.
Who do you bench in favor of Stuckey? Calderon or Knight?
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They play Knight with another PG all the time in Detroit, I don't see why they'd stop now.
Knight is the PG. Making Calderon the SG in that lineup sounds like a recipe for disaster on defense, and takes the ball out of his hands on offense.
Stuckey handled the ball an awful lot when they paired up.
I think they'll keep doing that sort of thing.
Well, Stuckey's a 6'5" combo guard who tends to dominate the ball when he's on the floor.
Who do you bench in favor of Stuckey? Calderon or Knight?
Actually I'm pretty sure Stuckey will get benched, or Knight situationally. But by default it'd be Stuckey.
Calderon is a much better option than either of them to run a team's offense. Given Stuckey's outbursts I'd be shocked if his minutes aren't slashed by this.
Of course they could go small with 3 guards some, but I'd think their coach would be smarter than that.
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They play Knight with another PG all the time in Detroit, I don't see why they'd stop now.
Knight is the PG. Making Calderon the SG in that lineup sounds like a recipe for disaster on defense, and takes the ball out of his hands on offense.
Stuckey handled the ball an awful lot when they paired up.
I think they'll keep doing that sort of thing.
Well, Stuckey's a 6'5" combo guard who tends to dominate the ball when he's on the floor.
Who do you bench in favor of Stuckey? Calderon or Knight?
Actually I'm pretty sure Stuckey will get benched, or Knight situationally. But by default it'd be Stuckey.
Calderon is a much better option than either of them to run a team's offense. Given Stuckey's outbursts I'd be shocked if his minutes aren't slashed by this.
Of course they could go small with 3 guards some, but I'd think their coach would be smarter than that.
I agree. I think Stuckey is gone after this season. I don't think Dumars and the rest of that Pistons front office view him as someone to build around. It's Knight, Drummond, and Monroe.
Calderon is the best PG on their roster, but he's only going to be there for 40 games at the most. I'd rather see Detroit fully commit to Knight at PG this season.
Maybe Calderon will accept a time-share/mentoring role, but I don't see him enjoying that.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5n5WNmzfOo
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Haha love this.
Anyways. I wouldnt see why the Pistons would buy Calderon out. He makes their point guard situation this year better. The Pistons are only 5 games away from the 8 spot in the East. They could actually make some sort of run.
Calderon could run a pretty nice pick and roll game with Drummon and Monroe for the remainder of the season and when his contract comes off the books at seasons end, I read somewhere that they are going to have 33 million in cap for this offseason.
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They play Knight with another PG all the time in Detroit, I don't see why they'd stop now.
Knight is the PG. Making Calderon the SG in that lineup sounds like a recipe for disaster on defense, and takes the ball out of his hands on offense.
Stuckey handled the ball an awful lot when they paired up.
I think they'll keep doing that sort of thing.
Well, Stuckey's a 6'5" combo guard who tends to dominate the ball when he's on the floor.
Who do you bench in favor of Stuckey? Calderon or Knight?
Actually I'm pretty sure Stuckey will get benched, or Knight situationally. But by default it'd be Stuckey.
Calderon is a much better option than either of them to run a team's offense. Given Stuckey's outbursts I'd be shocked if his minutes aren't slashed by this.
Of course they could go small with 3 guards some, but I'd think their coach would be smarter than that.
Who guards the 2?
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They play Knight with another PG all the time in Detroit, I don't see why they'd stop now.
Knight is the PG. Making Calderon the SG in that lineup sounds like a recipe for disaster on defense, and takes the ball out of his hands on offense.
Stuckey handled the ball an awful lot when they paired up.
I think they'll keep doing that sort of thing.
Well, Stuckey's a 6'5" combo guard who tends to dominate the ball when he's on the floor.
Who do you bench in favor of Stuckey? Calderon or Knight?
Actually I'm pretty sure Stuckey will get benched, or Knight situationally. But by default it'd be Stuckey.
Calderon is a much better option than either of them to run a team's offense. Given Stuckey's outbursts I'd be shocked if his minutes aren't slashed by this.
Of course they could go small with 3 guards some, but I'd think their coach would be smarter than that.
Who guards the 2?
Calderon. His biggest problem is that he isn't quick enough to guard 1's anyways. He's not really strong enough to guard 2's, but is it really that much of a mismatch (compared to the default)?
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Hamed Haddadi goes from Memphis to Toronto in the trade, but league source says he'll likely be waived and bought out.
If is gonna be waived, Cs should get him and waive Collins or Wilcox
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND!?! I sure wish Ainge doesn't take this direction, cutting out the heart of our big men Defense... Hey, after that why don't we just waive KG and trade Bass for Robert Sacre? SMH...
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Both Calderon and Knight are listed at 6'3", which seems generous to me.
Fast SGs like Monta Ellis should be able to get around either of them, and big SGs like Paul George should be able to outmuscle and/or shoot over them.
That backcourt's defensive deficiencies will probably overtax the Pistons' interior defense.
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Both Calderon and Knight are listed at 6'3", which seems generous to me.
Fast SGs like Monta Ellis should be able to get around either of them, and big SGs like Paul George should be able to outmuscle and/or shoot over them.
That backcourt's defensive deficiencies will probably overtax the Pistons' interior defense.
They likely won't start that line up. I'm guessing they keep using Singler in that role.
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Hamed Haddadi goes from Memphis to Toronto in the trade, but league source says he'll likely be waived and bought out.
If is gonna be waived, Cs should get him and waive Collins or Wilcox
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND!?! I sure wish Ainge doesn't take this direction, cutting out the heart of our big men Defense... Hey, after that why don't we just waive KG and trade Bass for Robert Sacre? SMH...
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. You just asked someone if they were out of their mind, then you referred to Collins or Wilcox as 'the heart of our big men defense'.
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Both Calderon and Knight are listed at 6'3", which seems generous to me.
Fast SGs like Monta Ellis should be able to get around either of them, and big SGs like Paul George should be able to outmuscle and/or shoot over them.
That backcourt's defensive deficiencies will probably overtax the Pistons' interior defense.
They likely won't start that line up. I'm guessing they keep using Singler in that role.
They should.
But then that goes back to Calderon and Knight splitting time at the point, since playing them together is a liability.
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Calderon is 31. Detroit is nothing but young guys now. Brandon Wright still needs a lot of game experience. Detroit got worse in this deal overall because they have no one to play the 3. Magette has been out of the rotation all year.
At 31 and expiring Calderon isn't a fit there. Expect him to be bought out. Doubt he comes to Boston though. The KG thing probably hurt his pride.
Look for him to go to Miami. Great great fit there.
What reason would Detroit have for buying him out? They just saved like $15mil, and have been looking for a true PG to compliment work with Knight for 2 years.
They're much better off keeping him, testing a fit as a vet, then reviewing their options with him over the summer.
Blocks the development of Wright. Teams are always willing to cut costs when they're not winning. Also what makes you think Jose wouldn't prefer one? Why finish the year out on a lottery team like Detroit if you could go win in a ring in Miami ?
Nope. He'll play a bit more off-guard with JC on the floor. This will allow them to assess their needs better pre draft / FA.
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I think they keep him. A solid point guard helps the development of Monroe and Drummond.