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Title: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: crownontherocks on January 30, 2013, 04:00:26 PM
 Jared Sullinger was not named to the BBVA Rising Stars Challenge roster
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Title: Re: Jared Sullinger was not named to the BBVA Rising Stars Challenge
Post by: Roy H. on January 30, 2013, 04:01:20 PM
That's just silly.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 30, 2013, 04:02:05 PM
That don't makea no sense
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Kane3387 on January 30, 2013, 04:02:24 PM
Who was named ahead of him?
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: ScottHow on January 30, 2013, 04:02:46 PM
More fuel to his workout/training fire
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Donoghus on January 30, 2013, 04:03:22 PM
What the heck?   ???

Makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: blink on January 30, 2013, 04:04:33 PM
Wow that is a shock.  Sully has been playing really well.  I know he isn't a contender for rookie of the year or anything, but I would have thought him a top 6 or 7 rookies this year.  Hmmm.   
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: crownontherocks on January 30, 2013, 04:06:45 PM
sophomores Kenneth Faried, Kyrie Irving, Brandon Knight, Kawhi Leonard, Chandler Parsons, Klay Thompson, and Tristan Thompson;  Nikola Vučević

and rookies Harrison Barnes, Bradley Beal, Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Damian Lillard, Alexey Shved, Dion Waiters, and Tyler Zeller as the competitors in the 2013 event.

The specific teams won't be revealed until February 7th


Shved made the team?
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 30, 2013, 04:07:33 PM
This is from Houston Chronicle. The player pool for the Rising Stars Challenge.

All-Star Weekend
Friday, Feb. 15 at Houston

Rookies
Bradley Beal, Washington, G

Anthony Davis, New Orleans, F

Andre Drummond, Detroit, C

Harrison Barnes, Golden State, F

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Charlotte, G-F

Damian Lillard, Portland, G

Dion Waiters, Cleveland, G

Tyler Zeller, Cleveland, F-C


Second-Year

Kenneth Faried, Denver, F

Kyrie Irving, Cleveland, G

Brandon Knight, Detroit, G

Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio, F

Chandler Parsons, Houston, F

Alexey Shved, Minnesota, G

Klay Thompson, Golden State, G

Tristan Thompson, Cleveland, F

Nikola Vucevic, Orlando, C

Kemba Walker, Charlotte, G


The fact that Shved and Tyler Zeller made it but not Sullinger makes me, in the words of CM Punk, SICK!
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Roy H. on January 30, 2013, 04:08:51 PM
I can't see Zeller over Sully.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=sullija01&y1=2013&p2=zellety01&y2=2013

Sully is just better.  He crushes Zeller in terms of FG% and rebound rate.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 30, 2013, 04:10:17 PM
Zeller should be over Sully, but Sully still should have made it. :(
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 30, 2013, 04:12:01 PM
Shved deserve in too. He was one of the best rookies in the first month or two.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Birdman on January 30, 2013, 04:12:56 PM
 ???
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Roy H. on January 30, 2013, 04:13:17 PM
Zeller should be over Sully, but Sully still should have made it. :(

If you're putting Zeller and Shved on the team, who are you booting to make room for Sully?
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Who on January 30, 2013, 04:14:35 PM
Wow. Very surprised. Dumb decision.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: esel1000 on January 30, 2013, 04:15:46 PM
Wow thats bs. Hope he has a monster game tonight
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Who on January 30, 2013, 04:16:02 PM
I can't see Zeller over Sully.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=sullija01&y1=2013&p2=zellety01&y2=2013

Sully is just better.  He crushes Zeller in terms of FG% and rebound rate.

Me either. Sully has completely outplayed Zeller.

Zeller has played very badly for Cleveland this year. Inefficient offense combined with lousy defense and weak rebounding. What is the attraction? The guy has sucked.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Smitty77 on January 30, 2013, 04:16:18 PM
Sully higher efficiency than Dion Waiters:_(((

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp?league=00&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=0&splitDD=All%20Teams

Why does the rookie team only get 8 players, but the sophomores get 10????????

Please explain the logic of that to me!!!

I hope this lights a fire under Sully and he starts to play even better.

Smitty77
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: LooseCannon on January 30, 2013, 04:18:11 PM
PPG is an overvalued stat.  It is unsurprising that the eight rookies happen to be the top eight in PPG among players drafted in 2012.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: jgod213 on January 30, 2013, 04:18:38 PM
Zeller should be over Sully, but Sully still should have made it. :(

Last 10 Games

Zeller: 34mpg, 36% fg shooting, 9 pts & 9 rbs

Sullinger: 25mpg, 54% fg shooting, 8 pts & 8 rbs

I think it's pretty clear that Sullinger is already the better, more efficient basketball player.  He needs to be on the squad over Zeller.  CLE already has Waiters in there because of volume playing time, no need for Zeller, too.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Roy H. on January 30, 2013, 04:19:48 PM
Sully higher efficiency than Dion Waiters:_(((

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp?league=00&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=0&splitDD=All%20Teams

Why does the rookie team only get 8 players, but the sophomores get 10????????

Please explain the logic of that to me!!!

I hope this lights a fire under Sully and he starts to play even better.

Smitty77

It's a misprint by somebody who doesn't understand that Alexey Shved is a rookie.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 30, 2013, 04:20:18 PM
I can't see Zeller over Sully.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=sullija01&y1=2013&p2=zellety01&y2=2013

Sully is just better.  He crushes Zeller in terms of FG% and rebound rate.

Me either. Sully has completely outplayed Zeller.

Zeller has played very badly for Cleveland this year. Inefficient offense combined with lousy defense and weak rebounding. What is the attraction? The guy has sucked.

Raw numbers - Zeller has more PPG and starts, a few more blocks too.  It seems like a surprising number of voters just look at the primary stats.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 30, 2013, 04:21:41 PM
PPG is an overvalued stat.  It is unsurprising that the eight rookies happen to be the top eight in PPG among players drafted in 2012.

Hahaha, didn't realize it was that straightforward.  Yup.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 30, 2013, 04:21:46 PM
Foolish, but you know what? I'd rather have all Celtics resting throughout the All-Star break, so in a sense I'm glad Sully didn't make it. Ditto for Pierce.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Sketch5 on January 30, 2013, 04:23:51 PM
Sully has been a top 10 rookie for the last few months. Been improving every month as well.

Just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Smitty77 on January 30, 2013, 04:24:19 PM
Thanks Roy.  Who then came up with the VERY odd number of 9 per team???

Sully has a higher efficiency rating than Shved as well!!!!

Smitty77
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 30, 2013, 04:25:10 PM
Zeller should be over Sully, but Sully still should have made it. :(

If you're putting Zeller and Shved on the team, who are you booting to make room for Sully?

Dion Waiters. -.-
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Interceptor on January 30, 2013, 04:25:45 PM
Here's hoping that Sully gets mad about the snub.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 30, 2013, 04:26:08 PM
If there's an injury, I'm sure they'll "sull"ect him as the next-best player... get ready for Waiters/Irving to injure themselves 'cuz they always do >_<
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 30, 2013, 04:27:20 PM
That's stupid.  I'd like to think Chuck and Shaq love the kid because he's a guys who likes to bang and play in the paint.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Roy H. on January 30, 2013, 04:28:06 PM
Zeller should be over Sully, but Sully still should have made it. :(

If you're putting Zeller and Shved on the team, who are you booting to make room for Sully?

Dion Waiters. -.-

Waiters has been more productive than Zeller, and is shooting almost as well as Zeller despite being a guard.  In fact, Waiters has a higher eFG% than the much taller Zeller.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 30, 2013, 04:28:39 PM
That's stupid.  I'd like to think Chuck and Shaq love the kid because he's a guys who likes to bang and play in the paint.

Chuck and Shaq choose the teams they play on,  not players to play.

Zeller should be over Sully, but Sully still should have made it. :(

If you're putting Zeller and Shved on the team, who are you booting to make room for Sully?

Dion Waiters. -.-

Waiters has been more productive than Zeller, and is shooting almost as well as Zeller despite being a guard.

The few times I watched him, he screws up Irving by chucking so much!
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: ianboyextreme on January 30, 2013, 04:31:30 PM
Kids going to be the most valuable rookie from the entire class. *&^% whoever made that decision. UNDERDOGS FOR LIFE!
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 30, 2013, 04:32:15 PM
Seems more to me like a "Popularity" issue.

No doubt in my mind that Jared Sullinger has earned a spot in this thing - BUT:

He hustles...he gets down and dirty...he's smart - just as smart (if not smarter) than any other player on that list.

So..because he doesn't jump out of a gym he's not as....."exciting"....as some of those other players.

Just my two cents.

All I know is that Jared, as a rookie, has helped BOS already this season, and doesn't even play like a rookie.

Whoever did the choosing here is just off.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 30, 2013, 04:32:24 PM
In six years, he'll be one of the best in the game. please still be a Celtic then.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 30, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
Jared ... doesn't even play like a rookie.

So unrookielike that they thought he wasn't eligible!
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 30, 2013, 04:37:46 PM
Jared ... doesn't even play like a rookie.

So unrookielike that they thought he wasn't eligible!

LOL...yeah, that's it - I hope.

But I bet the unofficial word is that he's not "Highlight" material.

Well, I know he's loved in BOS.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: blink on January 30, 2013, 04:47:14 PM
Jared ... doesn't even play like a rookie.

So unrookielike that they thought he wasn't eligible!

exactly, everyone forgets he is a rookie cause he's playing like a vet.  that was funny.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: clover on January 30, 2013, 04:47:43 PM
Kids going to be the most valuable rookie from the entire class. *&^% whoever made that decision. UNDERDOGS FOR LIFE!

Really?  Sully's going to be more valuable than Drummond?
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 30, 2013, 04:55:16 PM
Kids going to be the most valuable rookie from the entire class. *&^% whoever made that decision. UNDERDOGS FOR LIFE!

Really?  Sully's going to be more valuable than Drummond?

He's already as smart (if not smarter) than Drummond or any other rook from this class.

Mind you - I haven't watched every single rookie this yr, but Jared Sullinger just makes plays...gets in the right spots...hustles...unlike any other rookie I've seen in quite a while...

Drummond is using his sheer size and immense athleticism this year...Jared has none of that, but could play a bit longer than someone like Drummond.

No offense to Drummond, though - I really like him as a player.

But in Jared's case if you're smart and know the game and your limitations, you can have a prosperous career in the NBA. Jared can/will do that, I believe.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 30, 2013, 05:01:59 PM
I'd have liked to see Sullinger in there, and I think Waiters and Zeller are both iffy.

BUT the guy who really got snubbed here is Andrew Nicholson from the Magic.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 30, 2013, 05:10:17 PM

I just realized how they picked the team- they literally selected the 9 rookies who have scored the most points so far, minus Kyle Singler (begging the question- what have they got against Kyle Singler?)

So obviously Waiters and Zeller are on that team because of volume and not because of efficiency.

(too bad they didn't look at rebounds, Jared Sullinger is #2)
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 30, 2013, 05:11:00 PM
I'd have liked to see Sullinger in there, and I think Waiters and Zeller are both iffy.

BUT the guy who really got snubbed here is Andrew Nicholson from the Magic.

Good point.

I wonder what criteria they use for the choosing? And who does the choosing?
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Atzar on January 30, 2013, 05:18:02 PM
Barnes, Shved, Waiters and Zeller have all sucked this year.  The first three are in by default, since this draft has had few immediate contributors and nobody has outplayed them at their positions. 

Zeller has no such excuse.  He's an inefficient scorer, a poor rebounder, a nonfactor on defense, and he's soft.  Sullinger should have had that spot.  I even think Henson has arguably played better than Zeller.

Overall, though, this has been a pretty unremarkable rookie class.

Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on January 30, 2013, 05:26:35 PM
Barnes, Shved, Waiters and Zeller have all sucked this year.  The first three are in by default, since this draft has had few immediate contributors and nobody has outplayed them at their positions. 

Zeller has no such excuse.  He's an inefficient scorer, a poor rebounder, a nonfactor on defense, and he's soft.  Sullinger should have had that spot.  I even think Henson has arguably played better than Zeller.

Overall, though, this has been a pretty unremarkable rookie class.

Wasn't there people saying this was going to be one of the best classes in a long time? Wonder what happened...
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 30, 2013, 05:28:08 PM
Sully robbed
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Chris on January 30, 2013, 05:30:00 PM
I'm not super surprised.  There just were a ton of quality big men. 
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: clover on January 30, 2013, 05:33:48 PM
Kids going to be the most valuable rookie from the entire class. *&^% whoever made that decision. UNDERDOGS FOR LIFE!

Really?  Sully's going to be more valuable than Drummond?

He's already as smart (if not smarter) than Drummond or any other rook from this class.

Mind you - I haven't watched every single rookie this yr, but Jared Sullinger just makes plays...gets in the right spots...hustles...unlike any other rookie I've seen in quite a while...

Drummond is using his sheer size and immense athleticism this year...Jared has none of that, but could play a bit longer than someone like Drummond.

No offense to Drummond, though - I really like him as a player.

But in Jared's case if you're smart and know the game and your limitations, you can have a prosperous career in the NBA. Jared can/will do that, I believe.

Andre Drummond is still a teenager, is already showing better results defensively and offensively than Sully, has far greater physical potential for his position than Sully and plays a harder position to fill.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: snively on January 30, 2013, 05:36:38 PM
PPG is an overvalued stat.  It is unsurprising that the eight rookies happen to be the top eight in PPG among players drafted in 2012.

I'm pretty sure that's how the rosters are picked. 
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: snively on January 30, 2013, 05:38:43 PM
Drummond, Ezeli and Sully have been the most impressive rookie bigs that I've seen.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 30, 2013, 05:40:00 PM
Drummond, Ezeli and Sully have been the most impressive rookie bigs that I've seen.

Ezeli is underrecognized
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 30, 2013, 05:45:23 PM
Barnes, Shved, Waiters and Zeller have all sucked this year.  The first three are in by default, since this draft has had few immediate contributors and nobody has outplayed them at their positions. 

Zeller has no such excuse.  He's an inefficient scorer, a poor rebounder, a nonfactor on defense, and he's soft.  Sullinger should have had that spot.  I even think Henson has arguably played better than Zeller.

Overall, though, this has been a pretty unremarkable rookie class.

Wasn't there people saying this was going to be one of the best classes in a long time? Wonder what happened...

whoa- it's not 2003, but this is still a pretty impressive class. Not as much star-wise, though there will surely be 3-4 all-stars, but depth-wise I think we're looking at easily 20 guys who are sure to stick as starters in the league.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Atzar on January 30, 2013, 05:49:44 PM
I'm not super surprised.  There just were a ton of quality big men.

There really weren't, though.  It was basically Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond at the top.  Sullinger, John Henson, Andrew Nicholson, and Tyler Zeller are the next tier, and of those only Sullinger has had a good rookie season in my opinion.  Ezeli has played fairly well at times, but he's never going to impress people who lean on stats.


Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: snively on January 30, 2013, 05:55:18 PM
Can't believe I forgot Davis!
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 30, 2013, 05:56:00 PM
I'm not super surprised.  There just were a ton of quality big men.

There really weren't, though.  It was basically Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond at the top.  Sullinger, John Henson, Andrew Nicholson, and Tyler Zeller are the next tier, and of those only Sullinger has had a good rookie season in my opinion.  Ezeli has played fairly well at times, but he's never going to impress people who lean on stats.

you forget valenciunas too
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Atzar on January 30, 2013, 05:57:36 PM
I'm not super surprised.  There just were a ton of quality big men.

There really weren't, though.  It was basically Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond at the top.  Sullinger, John Henson, Andrew Nicholson, and Tyler Zeller are the next tier, and of those only Sullinger has had a good rookie season in my opinion.  Ezeli has played fairly well at times, but he's never going to impress people who lean on stats.

you forget valenciunas too

Fair point.  Still, I wouldn't put him over Sullinger.

EDIT:  Oh, I see how I missed him - he was draft the year before and then couldn't get out of his contract overseas.  I just pulled up the 2012 draft and picked the names out.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: aporel#18 on January 30, 2013, 07:03:14 PM
TP for CelticConcourse, you nailed it, he doesn't play like a rookie...

It's better this way, next year when Sully is on the Sophomore list, he'll feel good.

Nicholson is very skilled, but he's not starting and his raw numbers are not so good. Singler and Sully should make the team over Waiters and Zeller, but the assistant coaches have a different take.

Sully will be in the top 5 of this rookie class, with Drummond, MKG, Davis and Lillard... maybe Barnes and Fab Melo  ;) good job Danny!
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 30, 2013, 07:24:16 PM
I agree that Sullinger probably deserved to be in it over Zeller or Waiters, but it's not like some sort of absurdly bad decision, especially given the kind of game this is. Zeller and Waiters are both objectively more fun to watch in a game where the point is to score a bunch of uncontested jumpers and dunks.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: Smitty77 on January 30, 2013, 07:37:19 PM
Mqt,

Are you saying that Zeller is more athletic than Sully?  I don't think so!!  I live in NC and have a daughter that is a junior at UNC and Zeller is NOT a great athlete.  He is tall.  That is all.

Smitty77
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 30, 2013, 07:43:21 PM
Mqt,

Are you saying that Zeller is more athletic than Sully?  I don't think so!!  I live in NC and have a daughter that is a junior at UNC and Zeller is NOT a great athlete.  He is tall.  That is all.

Smitty77

Then the only difference athletically between Sully and Zeller is that Zeller is tall.
Title: Re: Jared Sullinger does not make the NBA rising stars challenge game
Post by: lon3lytoaster on January 30, 2013, 07:49:26 PM
Quite frankly, this is an outrage!