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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: crownontherocks on January 30, 2013, 04:00:26 PM
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Jared Sullinger was not named to the BBVA Rising Stars Challenge roster
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That's just silly.
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That don't makea no sense
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Who was named ahead of him?
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More fuel to his workout/training fire
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What the heck? ???
Makes no sense at all.
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Wow that is a shock. Sully has been playing really well. I know he isn't a contender for rookie of the year or anything, but I would have thought him a top 6 or 7 rookies this year. Hmmm.
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sophomores Kenneth Faried, Kyrie Irving, Brandon Knight, Kawhi Leonard, Chandler Parsons, Klay Thompson, and Tristan Thompson; Nikola Vučević
and rookies Harrison Barnes, Bradley Beal, Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Damian Lillard, Alexey Shved, Dion Waiters, and Tyler Zeller as the competitors in the 2013 event.
The specific teams won't be revealed until February 7th
Shved made the team?
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This is from Houston Chronicle. The player pool for the Rising Stars Challenge.
All-Star Weekend
Friday, Feb. 15 at Houston
Rookies
Bradley Beal, Washington, G
Anthony Davis, New Orleans, F
Andre Drummond, Detroit, C
Harrison Barnes, Golden State, F
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Charlotte, G-F
Damian Lillard, Portland, G
Dion Waiters, Cleveland, G
Tyler Zeller, Cleveland, F-C
Second-Year
Kenneth Faried, Denver, F
Kyrie Irving, Cleveland, G
Brandon Knight, Detroit, G
Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio, F
Chandler Parsons, Houston, F
Alexey Shved, Minnesota, G
Klay Thompson, Golden State, G
Tristan Thompson, Cleveland, F
Nikola Vucevic, Orlando, C
Kemba Walker, Charlotte, G
The fact that Shved and Tyler Zeller made it but not Sullinger makes me, in the words of CM Punk, SICK!
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I can't see Zeller over Sully.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=sullija01&y1=2013&p2=zellety01&y2=2013
Sully is just better. He crushes Zeller in terms of FG% and rebound rate.
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Zeller should be over Sully, but Sully still should have made it. :(
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Shved deserve in too. He was one of the best rookies in the first month or two.
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???
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Zeller should be over Sully, but Sully still should have made it. :(
If you're putting Zeller and Shved on the team, who are you booting to make room for Sully?
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Wow. Very surprised. Dumb decision.
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Wow thats bs. Hope he has a monster game tonight
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I can't see Zeller over Sully.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=sullija01&y1=2013&p2=zellety01&y2=2013
Sully is just better. He crushes Zeller in terms of FG% and rebound rate.
Me either. Sully has completely outplayed Zeller.
Zeller has played very badly for Cleveland this year. Inefficient offense combined with lousy defense and weak rebounding. What is the attraction? The guy has sucked.
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Sully higher efficiency than Dion Waiters:_(((
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp?league=00&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=0&splitDD=All%20Teams
Why does the rookie team only get 8 players, but the sophomores get 10????????
Please explain the logic of that to me!!!
I hope this lights a fire under Sully and he starts to play even better.
Smitty77
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PPG is an overvalued stat. It is unsurprising that the eight rookies happen to be the top eight in PPG among players drafted in 2012.
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Zeller should be over Sully, but Sully still should have made it. :(
Last 10 Games
Zeller: 34mpg, 36% fg shooting, 9 pts & 9 rbs
Sullinger: 25mpg, 54% fg shooting, 8 pts & 8 rbs
I think it's pretty clear that Sullinger is already the better, more efficient basketball player. He needs to be on the squad over Zeller. CLE already has Waiters in there because of volume playing time, no need for Zeller, too.
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Sully higher efficiency than Dion Waiters:_(((
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp?league=00&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=0&splitDD=All%20Teams
Why does the rookie team only get 8 players, but the sophomores get 10????????
Please explain the logic of that to me!!!
I hope this lights a fire under Sully and he starts to play even better.
Smitty77
It's a misprint by somebody who doesn't understand that Alexey Shved is a rookie.
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I can't see Zeller over Sully.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=sullija01&y1=2013&p2=zellety01&y2=2013
Sully is just better. He crushes Zeller in terms of FG% and rebound rate.
Me either. Sully has completely outplayed Zeller.
Zeller has played very badly for Cleveland this year. Inefficient offense combined with lousy defense and weak rebounding. What is the attraction? The guy has sucked.
Raw numbers - Zeller has more PPG and starts, a few more blocks too. It seems like a surprising number of voters just look at the primary stats.
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PPG is an overvalued stat. It is unsurprising that the eight rookies happen to be the top eight in PPG among players drafted in 2012.
Hahaha, didn't realize it was that straightforward. Yup.
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Foolish, but you know what? I'd rather have all Celtics resting throughout the All-Star break, so in a sense I'm glad Sully didn't make it. Ditto for Pierce.
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Sully has been a top 10 rookie for the last few months. Been improving every month as well.
Just doesn't make sense.
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Thanks Roy. Who then came up with the VERY odd number of 9 per team???
Sully has a higher efficiency rating than Shved as well!!!!
Smitty77
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Zeller should be over Sully, but Sully still should have made it. :(
If you're putting Zeller and Shved on the team, who are you booting to make room for Sully?
Dion Waiters. -.-
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Here's hoping that Sully gets mad about the snub.
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If there's an injury, I'm sure they'll "sull"ect him as the next-best player... get ready for Waiters/Irving to injure themselves 'cuz they always do >_<
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That's stupid. I'd like to think Chuck and Shaq love the kid because he's a guys who likes to bang and play in the paint.
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Zeller should be over Sully, but Sully still should have made it. :(
If you're putting Zeller and Shved on the team, who are you booting to make room for Sully?
Dion Waiters. -.-
Waiters has been more productive than Zeller, and is shooting almost as well as Zeller despite being a guard. In fact, Waiters has a higher eFG% than the much taller Zeller.
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That's stupid. I'd like to think Chuck and Shaq love the kid because he's a guys who likes to bang and play in the paint.
Chuck and Shaq choose the teams they play on, not players to play.
Zeller should be over Sully, but Sully still should have made it. :(
If you're putting Zeller and Shved on the team, who are you booting to make room for Sully?
Dion Waiters. -.-
Waiters has been more productive than Zeller, and is shooting almost as well as Zeller despite being a guard.
The few times I watched him, he screws up Irving by chucking so much!
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Kids going to be the most valuable rookie from the entire class. *&^% whoever made that decision. UNDERDOGS FOR LIFE!
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Seems more to me like a "Popularity" issue.
No doubt in my mind that Jared Sullinger has earned a spot in this thing - BUT:
He hustles...he gets down and dirty...he's smart - just as smart (if not smarter) than any other player on that list.
So..because he doesn't jump out of a gym he's not as....."exciting"....as some of those other players.
Just my two cents.
All I know is that Jared, as a rookie, has helped BOS already this season, and doesn't even play like a rookie.
Whoever did the choosing here is just off.
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In six years, he'll be one of the best in the game. please still be a Celtic then.
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Jared ... doesn't even play like a rookie.
So unrookielike that they thought he wasn't eligible!
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Jared ... doesn't even play like a rookie.
So unrookielike that they thought he wasn't eligible!
LOL...yeah, that's it - I hope.
But I bet the unofficial word is that he's not "Highlight" material.
Well, I know he's loved in BOS.
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Jared ... doesn't even play like a rookie.
So unrookielike that they thought he wasn't eligible!
exactly, everyone forgets he is a rookie cause he's playing like a vet. that was funny.
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Kids going to be the most valuable rookie from the entire class. *&^% whoever made that decision. UNDERDOGS FOR LIFE!
Really? Sully's going to be more valuable than Drummond?
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Kids going to be the most valuable rookie from the entire class. *&^% whoever made that decision. UNDERDOGS FOR LIFE!
Really? Sully's going to be more valuable than Drummond?
He's already as smart (if not smarter) than Drummond or any other rook from this class.
Mind you - I haven't watched every single rookie this yr, but Jared Sullinger just makes plays...gets in the right spots...hustles...unlike any other rookie I've seen in quite a while...
Drummond is using his sheer size and immense athleticism this year...Jared has none of that, but could play a bit longer than someone like Drummond.
No offense to Drummond, though - I really like him as a player.
But in Jared's case if you're smart and know the game and your limitations, you can have a prosperous career in the NBA. Jared can/will do that, I believe.
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I'd have liked to see Sullinger in there, and I think Waiters and Zeller are both iffy.
BUT the guy who really got snubbed here is Andrew Nicholson from the Magic.
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I just realized how they picked the team- they literally selected the 9 rookies who have scored the most points so far, minus Kyle Singler (begging the question- what have they got against Kyle Singler?)
So obviously Waiters and Zeller are on that team because of volume and not because of efficiency.
(too bad they didn't look at rebounds, Jared Sullinger is #2)
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I'd have liked to see Sullinger in there, and I think Waiters and Zeller are both iffy.
BUT the guy who really got snubbed here is Andrew Nicholson from the Magic.
Good point.
I wonder what criteria they use for the choosing? And who does the choosing?
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Barnes, Shved, Waiters and Zeller have all sucked this year. The first three are in by default, since this draft has had few immediate contributors and nobody has outplayed them at their positions.
Zeller has no such excuse. He's an inefficient scorer, a poor rebounder, a nonfactor on defense, and he's soft. Sullinger should have had that spot. I even think Henson has arguably played better than Zeller.
Overall, though, this has been a pretty unremarkable rookie class.
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Barnes, Shved, Waiters and Zeller have all sucked this year. The first three are in by default, since this draft has had few immediate contributors and nobody has outplayed them at their positions.
Zeller has no such excuse. He's an inefficient scorer, a poor rebounder, a nonfactor on defense, and he's soft. Sullinger should have had that spot. I even think Henson has arguably played better than Zeller.
Overall, though, this has been a pretty unremarkable rookie class.
Wasn't there people saying this was going to be one of the best classes in a long time? Wonder what happened...
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Sully robbed
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I'm not super surprised. There just were a ton of quality big men.
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Kids going to be the most valuable rookie from the entire class. *&^% whoever made that decision. UNDERDOGS FOR LIFE!
Really? Sully's going to be more valuable than Drummond?
He's already as smart (if not smarter) than Drummond or any other rook from this class.
Mind you - I haven't watched every single rookie this yr, but Jared Sullinger just makes plays...gets in the right spots...hustles...unlike any other rookie I've seen in quite a while...
Drummond is using his sheer size and immense athleticism this year...Jared has none of that, but could play a bit longer than someone like Drummond.
No offense to Drummond, though - I really like him as a player.
But in Jared's case if you're smart and know the game and your limitations, you can have a prosperous career in the NBA. Jared can/will do that, I believe.
Andre Drummond is still a teenager, is already showing better results defensively and offensively than Sully, has far greater physical potential for his position than Sully and plays a harder position to fill.
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PPG is an overvalued stat. It is unsurprising that the eight rookies happen to be the top eight in PPG among players drafted in 2012.
I'm pretty sure that's how the rosters are picked.
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Drummond, Ezeli and Sully have been the most impressive rookie bigs that I've seen.
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Drummond, Ezeli and Sully have been the most impressive rookie bigs that I've seen.
Ezeli is underrecognized
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Barnes, Shved, Waiters and Zeller have all sucked this year. The first three are in by default, since this draft has had few immediate contributors and nobody has outplayed them at their positions.
Zeller has no such excuse. He's an inefficient scorer, a poor rebounder, a nonfactor on defense, and he's soft. Sullinger should have had that spot. I even think Henson has arguably played better than Zeller.
Overall, though, this has been a pretty unremarkable rookie class.
Wasn't there people saying this was going to be one of the best classes in a long time? Wonder what happened...
whoa- it's not 2003, but this is still a pretty impressive class. Not as much star-wise, though there will surely be 3-4 all-stars, but depth-wise I think we're looking at easily 20 guys who are sure to stick as starters in the league.
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I'm not super surprised. There just were a ton of quality big men.
There really weren't, though. It was basically Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond at the top. Sullinger, John Henson, Andrew Nicholson, and Tyler Zeller are the next tier, and of those only Sullinger has had a good rookie season in my opinion. Ezeli has played fairly well at times, but he's never going to impress people who lean on stats.
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Can't believe I forgot Davis!
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I'm not super surprised. There just were a ton of quality big men.
There really weren't, though. It was basically Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond at the top. Sullinger, John Henson, Andrew Nicholson, and Tyler Zeller are the next tier, and of those only Sullinger has had a good rookie season in my opinion. Ezeli has played fairly well at times, but he's never going to impress people who lean on stats.
you forget valenciunas too
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I'm not super surprised. There just were a ton of quality big men.
There really weren't, though. It was basically Anthony Davis and Andre Drummond at the top. Sullinger, John Henson, Andrew Nicholson, and Tyler Zeller are the next tier, and of those only Sullinger has had a good rookie season in my opinion. Ezeli has played fairly well at times, but he's never going to impress people who lean on stats.
you forget valenciunas too
Fair point. Still, I wouldn't put him over Sullinger.
EDIT: Oh, I see how I missed him - he was draft the year before and then couldn't get out of his contract overseas. I just pulled up the 2012 draft and picked the names out.
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TP for CelticConcourse, you nailed it, he doesn't play like a rookie...
It's better this way, next year when Sully is on the Sophomore list, he'll feel good.
Nicholson is very skilled, but he's not starting and his raw numbers are not so good. Singler and Sully should make the team over Waiters and Zeller, but the assistant coaches have a different take.
Sully will be in the top 5 of this rookie class, with Drummond, MKG, Davis and Lillard... maybe Barnes and Fab Melo ;) good job Danny!
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I agree that Sullinger probably deserved to be in it over Zeller or Waiters, but it's not like some sort of absurdly bad decision, especially given the kind of game this is. Zeller and Waiters are both objectively more fun to watch in a game where the point is to score a bunch of uncontested jumpers and dunks.
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Mqt,
Are you saying that Zeller is more athletic than Sully? I don't think so!! I live in NC and have a daughter that is a junior at UNC and Zeller is NOT a great athlete. He is tall. That is all.
Smitty77
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Mqt,
Are you saying that Zeller is more athletic than Sully? I don't think so!! I live in NC and have a daughter that is a junior at UNC and Zeller is NOT a great athlete. He is tall. That is all.
Smitty77
Then the only difference athletically between Sully and Zeller is that Zeller is tall.
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Quite frankly, this is an outrage!