This team has already won too much to start tanking now.
Their odds in the lottery would be pretty bad.
This team has already won too much to start tanking now.
Their odds in the lottery would be pretty bad.
This team has already won too much to start tanking now.
Their odds in the lottery would be pretty bad.
Thats actually true, but we can still use that mid round pick as a trade asset. Its still better than a late first.
Its not a question that lends itself to a quick response.This team has already won too much to start tanking now.
Their odds in the lottery would be pretty bad.
Thats actually true, but we can still use that mid round pick as a trade asset. Its still better than a late first.
I asked this question before, and no one responded:
What is the difference between the #11 pick in this year's draft (late lottery finish) and the #16 pick (making the playoffs as an 8 seed)?
This team has already won too much to start tanking now.
Their odds in the lottery would be pretty bad.
Thats actually true, but we can still use that mid round pick as a trade asset. Its still better than a late first.
I asked this question before, and no one responded:
What is the difference between the #11 pick in this year's draft (late lottery finish) and the #16 pick (making the playoffs as an 8 seed)?
This team has already won too much to start tanking now.
Their odds in the lottery would be pretty bad.
Thats actually true, but we can still use that mid round pick as a trade asset. Its still better than a late first.
This team has already won too much to start tanking now.
Their odds in the lottery would be pretty bad.
Thats actually true, but we can still use that mid round pick as a trade asset. Its still better than a late first.
Eh Im going with Dono on this one. Why tank at this point? Id rather have a playoff run and a late round pick than a mid round pick in a weak draft. Especially with KG and Pierce on the team. They are still built for the playoffs. Lets not screw that up by tanking to get into the lottery.
This team has already won too much to start tanking now.
Their odds in the lottery would be pretty bad.
This team has already won too much to start tanking now.
Their odds in the lottery would be pretty bad.
Thats actually true, but we can still use that mid round pick as a trade asset. Its still better than a late first.
I asked this question before, and no one responded:
What is the difference between the #11 pick in this year's draft (late lottery finish) and the #16 pick (making the playoffs as an 8 seed)?
BAD idea.
I hate the idea of a team "tanking"
And why should the Celtics tank? This Rondo stuff is getting out of control
Nothing against the OP, just all this talk about how the team is neutered without Rondo is irritating.
This year draft class is not that good..usually theres a clear #1 pick but not this year. If I was a lottery team, i would trade my pick for a proven player
BAD idea.
I hate the idea of a team "tanking"
And why should the Celtics tank? This Rondo stuff is getting out of control
Nothing against the OP, just all this talk about how the team is neutered without Rondo is irritating.
none taken. I hate tanking as well, it's just an idea that for now I think is making sense, seeing as I agree that we can't get anything of significant value for any trades we might pull.
If the tank mode is on, why not do right by Pierce and Garnett?
Pierce to Clippers for Odom, Butler, LAC #1 to Boston
Garnett, Wilcox to Spurs for Splitter, Diaw, Bonner
Boston picks up another first and their center of the future in Splitter
I don't understand the hate for tanking, those ping pong balls have always helped the Celtics out.
I don't understand the hate for tanking, those ping pong balls have always helped the Celtics out.
Maybe they're due?
I don't think they want to end their careers on losing teams that don't have a whole lot of hope or opportunity to pull out of it. At least I wouldn't if I were them.If the tank mode is on, why not do right by Pierce and Garnett?
Pierce to Clippers for Odom, Butler, LAC #1 to Boston
Garnett, Wilcox to Spurs for Splitter, Diaw, Bonner
Boston picks up another first and their center of the future in Splitter
I don't know that PP and KG would consider trading them away to be doing right by them.
I don't understand the hate for tanking, those ping pong balls have always helped the Celtics out.
Maybe they're due?
This team has already won too much to start tanking now.
Their odds in the lottery would be pretty bad.
Thats actually true, but we can still use that mid round pick as a trade asset. Its still better than a late first.
I asked this question before, and no one responded:
What is the difference between the #11 pick in this year's draft (late lottery finish) and the #16 pick (making the playoffs as an 8 seed)?
I get to watch my team play in the playoffs.
As much as the odds are stacked against them, its better than praying for Lady Luck to deliver us to the promised land with very low odds of pick #11.
There are young guys on the court now that can learn this season playing with KG and Pierce. Why rob them of the opportunity?
There are young guys on the court now that can learn this season playing with KG and Pierce. Why rob them of the opportunity?
KG and PP didn't do Giddens or JJJ much good. We were able to develop Big Al, Perk, TA and Delonte on some bad teams.
Talent/productivity has won out on our team, regardless of circumstance.
There are young guys on the court now that can learn this season playing with KG and Pierce. Why rob them of the opportunity?
KG and PP didn't do Giddens or JJJ much good. We were able to develop Big Al, Perk, TA and Delonte on some bad teams.
Talent/productivity has won out on our team, regardless of circumstance.
AB and Sully have shown talent. Now let them get the best help possible to grow by playing with KG and Pierce.
There are young guys on the court now that can learn this season playing with KG and Pierce. Why rob them of the opportunity?
KG and PP didn't do Giddens or JJJ much good. We were able to develop Big Al, Perk, TA and Delonte on some bad teams.
Talent/productivity has won out on our team, regardless of circumstance.
AB and Sully have shown talent. Now let them get the best help possible to grow by playing with KG and Pierce.
Rondo and Green too
Yeah, it would be hard to get higher than #10 (tank) and if we do make the playoffs I doubt we'll be [better than](edit) around #15 - 18 (7th or 8th seed).This team has already won too much to start tanking now.
Their odds in the lottery would be pretty bad.
Thats actually true, but we can still use that mid round pick as a trade asset. Its still better than a late first.
I asked this question before, and no one responded:
What is the difference between the #11 pick in this year's draft (late lottery finish) and the #16 pick (making the playoffs as an 8 seed)?
9. Marcus Smart PG 6'4" 200
Mike Carter-Williams PG 6'6" 185
10. Rudy Gobert PF/C 7'1" 235
Willie Cauley-Stein C 7'0" 245
11. Alex Poythress SF/PF 6'8" 239
Glenn Robinson III SF 6'6" 210
15. Tony Mitchell SF/PF 6'8" 235
Mason Plumlee PF 6'11" 240
16. Otto Porter SF 6'8" 200
Dario Saric PF 6'10" 225
17. James McAdoo SF/PF 6'9" 226
Archie Goodwin SG 6'4" 198
18. Trey Burke PG 6'0" 180
Trey Burke PG 6'0" 180
It might actually do them more good to not play with KG and PP. Those guys might actually be stunting their growth because they take minutes, they take the crunch time shots, they draw the toughest matchups, etc.There are young guys on the court now that can learn this season playing with KG and Pierce. Why rob them of the opportunity?
KG and PP didn't do Giddens or JJJ much good. We were able to develop Big Al, Perk, TA and Delonte on some bad teams.
Talent/productivity has won out on our team, regardless of circumstance.
AB and Sully have shown talent. Now let them get the best help possible to grow by playing with KG and Pierce.
It might actually do them more good to not play with KG and PP. Those guys might actually be stunting their growth because they take minutes, they take the crunch time shots, they draw the toughest matchups, etc.There are young guys on the court now that can learn this season playing with KG and Pierce. Why rob them of the opportunity?
KG and PP didn't do Giddens or JJJ much good. We were able to develop Big Al, Perk, TA and Delonte on some bad teams.
Talent/productivity has won out on our team, regardless of circumstance.
AB and Sully have shown talent. Now let them get the best help possible to grow by playing with KG and Pierce.
I don't understand the hate for tanking, those ping pong balls have always helped the Celtics out.
I don't understand the hate for tanking, those ping pong balls have always helped the Celtics out.
The idea my brother had is not just about the ping pong balls. It's also about giving the chunk of minutes to all players we have outside of PP and KG to further evaluate them, see if what roles they really fit into, and as he said "risk/reward possibility of their trade values getting higher or lower.
He doesn't necessarily want the top pick, he's saying that the Celtics are caught in the limbo, where they are to good to not be in the top 10 of the draft, but not good enough to make a deep run in the Playoffs, so why not play the young guys, and the other guys, save up KG and Pierce for on FINAL (he really emphasizes that to me) run next year with maybe a solid rookie and a much better evaluated team.
I hated the tanking idea, but I gotta give baby brother some credit here, because right now it makes sense.
I don't understand the hate for tanking, those ping pong balls have always helped the Celtics out.
The idea my brother had is not just about the ping pong balls. It's also about giving the chunk of minutes to all players we have outside of PP and KG to further evaluate them, see if what roles they really fit into, and as he said "risk/reward possibility of their trade values getting higher or lower.
He doesn't necessarily want the top pick, he's saying that the Celtics are caught in the limbo, where they are to good to not be in the top 10 of the draft, but not good enough to make a deep run in the Playoffs, so why not play the young guys, and the other guys, save up KG and Pierce for on FINAL (he really emphasizes that to me) run next year with maybe a solid rookie and a much better evaluated team.
I hated the tanking idea, but I gotta give baby brother some credit here, because right now it makes sense.
But the young guys are getting their opportunities already. The guys that would be freed for more minutes without Pierce or KG are known NBA quantities.
Yeah, but remember, Big Al, Perk, TA and Delonte all went to the playoffs early on with Pierce. The team got really bad later when Pierce got hurt. Danny didn't expect to go to the bottom of the draft, it just sort of happened and even then he did trades to build the team not picks.There are young guys on the court now that can learn this season playing with KG and Pierce. Why rob them of the opportunity?
KG and PP didn't do Giddens or JJJ much good. We were able to develop Big Al, Perk, TA and Delonte on some bad teams.
Talent/productivity has won out on our team, regardless of circumstance.
Being a winner in the NBA is about more than talent, it is also about attitude. The Celtics need to keep Pierce and KG here and playing, to help instill winning attitudes, to build winner habits, in the players they leave behind. I know it sounds trite, but it is true! A big reason the Celtics were different in the 60's, 70's and 80's is that there were *always* players on those teams that carried the culture and the attitudes forward from "era" to era. The C's added Havlicek to a great Russell teams, Havlicek and Heinson were still there when Cowens, Silas and White came along, Maxwell came in, then Bird and McHale came in...they kept overlapping *Celtics* always with former stars, champions, winners ready to bring the new guys along. Yes, there were dips, rebuilding years, between "eras", but the chain of stars linked across the eras and bound the "dynasty" together.
That chain was broken with the deaths of Bias and then Lewis. The Celtics spent 20 years bouncing around as a not good enough, not bad enough team.
Danny was lucky and he was good! He turned water into wine and got 2 near superstars in Allen and KG to go along with Pierce, another new superstar, for...really...nothing much. He got the train rolling again, folks! Don't uncouple the cars now! The future of the C's success depends upon keeping that winning attitude and that depends upon keeping, at least, one of Pierce and KG here through the rebuild.
This team has already won too much to start tanking now.
Their odds in the lottery would be pretty bad.
agreed. at this point in time i have given up on us getting a nice winning record and a top 4 spot in the playoffs. Now, let's examine what is achievable realistically.
Let's have some pride. IMO no team should be allowed to make the playoffs with a losing record. So if we finish just 1 game above .500 that gives us a winning record. At this point in time if all we can get is the 8th seed, I will take it. not happy but i will take it as long as we are over .500. see what happens in the playoffs then see where to go. I still think we need a trade/or sign for a big this year though and maybe a back up PG.