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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: masteremile123 on January 30, 2013, 08:05:58 AM
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http://m.yahoo.com/w/sports/home/news/article?urn=4abf8c30-62b9-3baa-bf8c-aefff812987f&.ts=1359550209&.intl=US&.lang=en&.ysid=9Do179wByNkWnw2Hng_aCgpD
The Grizzlies have inquired with multiple teams over the past several days, searching for a willing partner to facilitate a three-team deal, sources said.
The final hurdle for the salary dump of Memphis Grizzlies forward Rudy Gay to the Toronto Raptors hinges on finding a third team to absorb the expiring contract of Raptors guard Jose Calderon, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
Calderon has a $10.5 million expiring contract.
So ? Any interest in him ? They look desparate as a lot of teams already have good point guard or are rebuilding and don't want anything to do with the story...
Ps: I don't know if this has mentioned , didn't find anything on the forums !
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No cap space to absorb that contract (since it reads as if the main reason for this third team is to not have that large of a contract on the books)
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Nope.
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Calderon would be a nice stopgap for us, but we would have to hand the Raptors 10 million in contracts right back.
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No cap space to absorb that contract (since it reads as if the main reason for this third team is to not have that large of a contract on the books)
true, but you could send a smaller contract back. I just don't think Memphis would want Boston's crap (Green, Bass, Lee, Terry).
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No cap space to absorb that contract (since it reads as if the main reason for this third team is to not have that large of a contract on the books)
true, but you could send a smaller contract back. I just don't think Memphis would want Boston's crap (Green, Bass, Lee, Terry).
Memphis doesn't want a bunch of little contracts. They want someone with Cap space to absorb more of that contract.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ao28dtl
Bos: Calderon + Gray
Mem: Ross + Terry + A. Johnson
Tor: Gay + Bass
Memphis sends out 16 mil and gets back 13. That saves them 3 mil this year and even more in the future (since Gay's deal goes as high as 19.5 mil).
Memphis also gets a solid wing prospect (at the 2 or 3) in Ross, a veteran bench shooter in Terry (something they really need), and a solid young rebounding / shot-blocking big who's reasonably paid (another need).
Bos sends out 11 mil and gets back just over 13 -- both expiring deals.
Bos gets a point guard and a somewhat serviceable backup center while also getting out of some long term money and not giving up future assets.
Tor sends out 21.5 mil and gets back 22.5 mil.
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I was looking at this earlier and mentioned it in another thread...
Bass & Terry or Lee
For
Calderón & Ed Davis
Works in trade machine.
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I was looking at this earlier and mentioned it in another thread...
Bass & Terry or Lee
For
Calderón & Ed Davis
Works in trade machine.
Ed Davis is way, way too good for Toronto to give up for that.
I imagine Toronto wants to pair Davis with Valanciunas moving forward. That's a nice combination.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ao28dtl
Bos: Calderon + Gray
Mem: Ross + Terry + A. Johnson
Tor: Gay + Bass
Memphis sends out 16 mil and gets back 13. That saves them 3 mil this year and even more in the future (since Gay's deal goes as high as 19.5 mil).
Memphis also gets a solid wing prospect (at the 2 or 3) in Ross, a veteran bench shooter in Terry (something they really need), and a solid young rebounding / shot-blocking big who's reasonably paid (another need).
Bos sends out 11 mil and gets back just over 13 -- both expiring deals.
Bos gets a point guard and a somewhat serviceable backup center while also getting out of some long term money and not giving up future assets.
Tor sends out 21.5 mil and gets back 22.5 mil.
This idea makes sense to me from all angles, well done. I'm sure Toronto would like to hold on to Ross but its worth it for Gay. I have liked your past few ideas, we are on the same page: priority #1 for this team is getting rid of Bass and Terry's contracts for expiring if you can. Not to mention Calderon and Gray might be just as good as those two this year.
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Calderon is not better than Barbosa. No need really. From Raptors players, that can be a godd fit for Cs, is only Johnson or maybe Grey
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ao28dtl
Bos: Calderon + Gray
Mem: Ross + Terry + A. Johnson
Tor: Gay + Bass
Memphis sends out 16 mil and gets back 13. That saves them 3 mil this year and even more in the future (since Gay's deal goes as high as 19.5 mil).
Memphis also gets a solid wing prospect (at the 2 or 3) in Ross, a veteran bench shooter in Terry (something they really need), and a solid young rebounding / shot-blocking big who's reasonably paid (another need).
Bos sends out 11 mil and gets back just over 13 -- both expiring deals.
Bos gets a point guard and a somewhat serviceable backup center while also getting out of some long term money and not giving up future assets.
Tor sends out 21.5 mil and gets back 22.5 mil.
I don't think that gives Memphis enough savings. The guys they get back are all on three year deals, just like Gay.
Why would Memphis do the above deal, and not just Gay for Calderon straight up?
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Calderon is not better than Barbosa. No need really. From Raptors players, that can be a godd fit for Cs, is only Johnson or maybe Grey
I disagree with this strongly. Calderon is a great shooter, but he's also a very good passer and overall floor general.
Calderon could keep our offense running at a high level, and if you play him exclusively next to Lee or Bradley his defensive shortcomings won't hurt you too badly.
Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if our offense is significantly more potent with Calderon running the show in place of Rondo just because of his floor spacing. The defense is a big minus, though, but hey, he's available for a reason.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ao28dtl
Bos: Calderon + Gray
Mem: Ross + Terry + A. Johnson
Tor: Gay + Bass
Memphis sends out 16 mil and gets back 13. That saves them 3 mil this year and even more in the future (since Gay's deal goes as high as 19.5 mil).
Memphis also gets a solid wing prospect (at the 2 or 3) in Ross, a veteran bench shooter in Terry (something they really need), and a solid young rebounding / shot-blocking big who's reasonably paid (another need).
Bos sends out 11 mil and gets back just over 13 -- both expiring deals.
Bos gets a point guard and a somewhat serviceable backup center while also getting out of some long term money and not giving up future assets.
Tor sends out 21.5 mil and gets back 22.5 mil.
I don't think that gives Memphis enough savings. The guys they get back are all on three year deals, just like Gay.
Why would Memphis do the above deal, and not just Gay for Calderon straight up?
Because Memphis isn't looking to outright tank this season, I don't think.
I would imagine they still want to compete. Hence the allure of getting 3 valuable players including a rookie who could develop into a very solid starter.
Also, I'd point again to the fact that Gay's deal isn't just the 16 mil he's making this season. It increases substantially in each of the next two seasons. So the savings increase over time even though they're taking on 3 year deals. From what I understand, Memphis isn't just slashing and burning salary at all (on court) costs. Rather, they want to make sure they stay under the luxury tax. Dealing Gay for a handful of cheaper deals that won't ramp up in cost over the next 2-3 years accomplishes that.
Moreover, the smaller a deal is, the easier it is to move. Nothing stopping Memphis from going ahead and trading away Amir Johnson year or the year after that. Terry perhaps will be harder to move until the last year of his deal. But I think other teams are probably aware of the fact that part of the reason Terry has struggled this season is team fit.
I don't think other teams are quite as down on Terry's value as people here in Boston are. Similar to the way Jamal Crawford still drew a lot of interest this summer even though he had an awful season in Portland last year.
Point being, Terry could easily recoup some of his value if he has a good playoff run this season, making him even easier to trade in the off-season or next year if they want to cut salary further.
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Is Ross really in the mix? I thought Toronto was balking at the thought of including him in offers.
Also, I think taking on a net additional $2 mil puts Boston over the apron, and complicates the Terry deal. They'd need to include some additional salary, perhaps two of the Collins/Barbosa/Wilcox group, or maybe Melo, to get back under that threshold.
If Boston could turn Bass and Terry into Calderon, though, I think that'd be a good move.
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Is Ross really in the mix? I thought Toronto was balking at the thought of including him in offers.
Also, I think taking on a net additional $2 mil puts Boston over the apron, and complicates the Terry deal. They'd need to include some additional salary, perhaps two of the Collins/Barbosa/Wilcox group, or maybe Melo, to get back under that threshold.
If Boston could turn Bass and Terry into Calderon, though, I think that'd be a good move.
I'm pretty sure the trade machine takes into account the hardcap apron.
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Is Ross really in the mix? I thought Toronto was balking at the thought of including him in offers.
Also, I think taking on a net additional $2 mil puts Boston over the apron, and complicates the Terry deal. They'd need to include some additional salary, perhaps two of the Collins/Barbosa/Wilcox group, or maybe Melo, to get back under that threshold.
If Boston could turn Bass and Terry into Calderon, though, I think that'd be a good move.
I'm pretty sure the trade machine takes into account the hardcap apron.
If it's OK with an extra $2 mil in incoming salaries, then it's not factoring in the apron. Celtics are within a million dollars of the apron, I believe.
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Is Ross really in the mix? I thought Toronto was balking at the thought of including him in offers.
Also, I think taking on a net additional $2 mil puts Boston over the apron, and complicates the Terry deal. They'd need to include some additional salary, perhaps two of the Collins/Barbosa/Wilcox group, or maybe Melo, to get back under that threshold.
If Boston could turn Bass and Terry into Calderon, though, I think that'd be a good move.
I'm pretty sure the trade machine takes into account the hardcap apron.
If it's OK with an extra $2 mil in incoming salaries, then it's not factoring in the apron. Celtics are within a million dollars of the apron, I believe.
I believe we have $2.7 mil of room under the apron.
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Cleveland could work as they have like 10.2 million in cap space. They would just need some incentive (like a draft pick or two from Toronto).
This for example
TOR - Gay, Selby (or Livingston on Feb 15th)
CLE - Calderon, TOR 1st
MEM - Davis, Ross
Other players added as needed, but that works financially for all teams (maybe Casspi to Memphis).
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I could totally seeing Danny try to work this angle. Like I posted in another thread. I would absolutely hate it. But, Danny gets 10 mil off the books from the Calderon contract. And Three years of Bargs rather than Bass.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b49urh9 (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b49urh9)
Next year we start out with
Rondo/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Green
Bargs/Sully
KG
Fill in the back up Center and PF slots through the cap we save with Calderon. Again, dont like it, could easily see Danny swinging it.
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Contrary to something I said about Bargnani yesterday, I don't think this scenario is that far fetched, but only if Toronto gives up a very good asset to the Celtics.
1) No chance the Raps are landing Gay AND getting rid of Bargs in the same deal without giving up more than Davis (even if they take Bass).
2) The Celtics are not giving up Pierce to take Bargs off Toronto's hands unless Ross or more is in the balance.
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Is Ross really in the mix? I thought Toronto was balking at the thought of including him in offers.
Also, I think taking on a net additional $2 mil puts Boston over the apron, and complicates the Terry deal. They'd need to include some additional salary, perhaps two of the Collins/Barbosa/Wilcox group, or maybe Melo, to get back under that threshold.
If Boston could turn Bass and Terry into Calderon, though, I think that'd be a good move.
I'm pretty sure the trade machine takes into account the hardcap apron.
If it's OK with an extra $2 mil in incoming salaries, then it's not factoring in the apron. Celtics are within a million dollars of the apron, I believe.
I believe we have $2.7 mil of room under the apron.
Hmmm. Now I'm not sure if it's total salary, or taxable salary, that factors into the discussion of the apron.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AodNvAy3ZYZmdGE3NDBqMElRUXh2REN4Q3pZRG1TU1E&gid=4
The apron is $4 million above the tax threshold, which is at $70.3 million this season.
Boston has just over $73 million in committed salaries, but only $71.5 million in terms of taxable salaries.
So, it's either just under $1 million in apron room, or about $2.5 million.
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In regards to the apron. We have to have 13 players on the roster right? So wouldn't we need enough money under the apron to sign as many vet. min guys as possible to get to 13?
Thus if we did a deal we really can't send out more players then we bring back and have more money coming back then going out at the same time can we?
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ao28dtl
Bos: Calderon + Gray
Mem: Ross + Terry + A. Johnson
Tor: Gay + Bass
Memphis sends out 16 mil and gets back 13. That saves them 3 mil this year and even more in the future (since Gay's deal goes as high as 19.5 mil).
Memphis also gets a solid wing prospect (at the 2 or 3) in Ross, a veteran bench shooter in Terry (something they really need), and a solid young rebounding / shot-blocking big who's reasonably paid (another need).
Bos sends out 11 mil and gets back just over 13 -- both expiring deals.
Bos gets a point guard and a somewhat serviceable backup center while also getting out of some long term money and not giving up future assets.
Tor sends out 21.5 mil and gets back 22.5 mil.
I don't think that gives Memphis enough savings. The guys they get back are all on three year deals, just like Gay.
Why would Memphis do the above deal, and not just Gay for Calderon straight up?
Because Memphis isn't looking to outright tank this season, I don't think.
I would imagine they still want to compete. Hence the allure of getting 3 valuable players including a rookie who could develop into a very solid starter.
Also, I'd point again to the fact that Gay's deal isn't just the 16 mil he's making this season. It increases substantially in each of the next two seasons. So the savings increase over time even though they're taking on 3 year deals.
Yes, but Johnson, Ross and Terry's salaries also increase in the next two seasons, and moreover, from shamsports, I understand that Johnson and Terry have trade kickers in their contracts.
I think for such a deal to happen, Memphis would really have to like Ross. I don't view Terry or Johnson as having all that much value.
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Ross and derozen are near untouchables. Even for gay they won't include either. I don't want Calderon. He will be an even more liability on defense than rondo. Barb is not a pure pg, but will do fine as a backup on both ends of the court
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The keyword in the report is "absorb" not, "trade for", they're looking for a team that can take on Calderon's deal preferably for draft assets, and not have to kick back money.
Neither Toronto or Memphis has interest in taking in more money, they need someone to take on Calderon's deal so that they're sending enough salary out to fit Rudy in under their cap and make the trade legal.
Bottom line is the Celtics can't get involved here, because they'd have to send out equal salary, and neither team has any interest in that salary.
For Boston to get involved, you'd need a 4th team with open space that wants some of (10.5million worth to be exact) boston's players, and has the cap space to take them.
I don't think there are any teams out there with cap space who are just absolutely dieing to get ahold of Jeff Green or Brandon bass in order to facilitate this.