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Title: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: rondohondo on January 29, 2013, 11:06:11 PM
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Expectations are growing that the Hawks will trade forward Josh Smith, a source said. Smith has averaged 17 points, 8.6 rebounds. 4.7 assists and 2.1 blocks this month despite the trade speculation.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--nba-power-rankings--spurs-are-new-no--1-174735180.html

I know he has bad shot selection, I know he's not worth a Max contract, I know he can't shoot free throws......

But I want Josh Smith on this team!

What other offensive options and play makers does ATL have? no wonder Smith is roaming around the perimeter and takes bad shot. He obviously isn't a go to guy on offense, but that's the role he is playing .

He is an elite defender , can run the floor , rebound, pass, finish strong . He brings a lot to the table, and if we could get him would be a solid #2 or #3 piece for the future .

We know he wants to come here and play with Rondo,and he is the best big man available (outside of dwight) for the next two seasons in free agency .


I just have a feeling Danny is going to try for it ....

oh did I mention, HE ACTUALLY WANTS TO PLAY HERE.....
Title: Re: Source: Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith,Danny should be on
Post by: byennie on January 29, 2013, 11:15:11 PM
The problem is that Josh Smith is a free agent in a few months and has already expressed that he is looking for a max contract. So, he's pretty much gone or overpaid as soon as we get him.

That said, he may have zip trade value as a result.
Title: Re: Source: Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith,Danny should be on
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on January 29, 2013, 11:17:31 PM
I want no part of Josh Smith on a max contract.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: Kane3387 on January 29, 2013, 11:25:46 PM
Only thing I could see Atlanta wanting is Pierce.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 11:27:24 PM
Only thing I could see Atlanta wanting is Pierce.

Not even. They would probably want Sully/Bradley/Green, for rebuilding, maybe Melo.

Though it is doubtful Ferry would want to trade with us at all.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: ScottHow on January 29, 2013, 11:28:55 PM
I was all for Smith before the Rondo injury. Now that he's down til atleast next season(and who knows how long til he's 100%), I'll pass on Smith. He's not worth giving up younger chips such as Bradley or Sully since I don't think this team is contending.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 12:22:08 AM
Only thing I could see Atlanta wanting is Pierce.

Not even. They would probably want Sully/Bradley/Green, for rebuilding, maybe Melo.

Though it is doubtful Ferry would want to trade with us at all.

honestly 94$ million contract is a headache for a team

bradley green sully melo? do you think its enough?

we can resign for a 94$million contract?

i do a trade if its kg salary or pierce salary or rondos salary, in this case we can resign smith for a max contract

and to tell you honestly? after giving smith a 94$million?

we cant resign any stars except cheap player. dampier arenas fisher etc etc, or some d-league players that would take 885$ dollars contract or lesser

in this case I'll pass

even with rondo on the team?
it does not make us a contender

it makes us more worst

if its al horford? i take it more effective than smith
in this case kg can go back at pf and horford at center

if you trade bradley sully melo green

lets say pierce and kg retires
who are your bench players now?

does it make the celtics contender now?

HELL NO!

really bad idea
i'd rather stick on jeff green

he deserves that money than smith

i think before i post

I'd rather sign kenyon martin or dampier even a bench player but at least i save a lot of money

without being stuck at PF with 94 million

think of it man
 
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 30, 2013, 12:35:03 AM
I was all for Smith before the Rondo injury. Now that he's down til atleast next season(and who knows how long til he's 100%), I'll pass on Smith. He's not worth giving up younger chips such as Bradley or Sully since I don't think this team is contending.

This
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: KGs Knee on January 30, 2013, 12:37:15 AM
honestly 94$ million contract is a headache for a team

bradley green sully melo? do you think its enough?

we can resign for a 94$million contract?

i do a trade if its kg salary or pierce salary or rondos salary, in this case we can resign smith for a max contract

and to tell you honestly? after giving smith a 94$million?

we cant resign any stars except cheap player. dampier arenas fisher etc etc, or some d-league players that would take 885$ dollars contract or lesser

in this case I'll pass

even with rondo on the team?
it does not make us a contender

it makes us more worst

if its al horford? i take it more effective than smith
in this case kg can go back at pf and horford at center

if you trade bradley sully melo green

lets say pierce and kg retires
who are your bench players now?

does it make the celtics contender now?

HELL NO!

really bad idea
i'd rather stick on jeff green

he deserves that money than smith

i think before i post

I'd rather sign kenyon martin or dampier even a bench player but at least i save a lot of money

without being stuck at PF with 94 million

think of it man

Seriously, please try to make your post a little more coherent.  It makes it difficult to understand what your trying to say posting like this.  Not to mention, it practically takes up the whole page, and is even worse once quoted.

I'm not the blog police or anything, so disregard me if you wish, I'm just trying to give some friendly advice.  My eyes hurt after reading that.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: Kane3387 on January 30, 2013, 01:05:54 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=axxwk85

Boston receives Josh Smith and Kyle Lowry.

Boston gets a Pg to replace Rondo this year and Josh Smith.

Grizzlies receive Jeff Green, Kyle Korver, Courtney Lee, Ed Davis, and Leandro Barbosa

Grizzlies couldn't ask for a better package here. Green potentially replaces Gay. Korver is expiring and a fantastic shooter. Lee can replace TA's Defense and is a better shooter. Plus he doesn't have to be extended like TA will. Ed Davis is a nice prospect on a rookie deal who could potentially replace ZBo in 2 years. Barbosa replaces Bayless and is cheap.

Hawks receive Jose Calderon, Tony Allen, and Fab Melo.

Hawks exchange Smith's expiring deal with the combination of Calderon and Tony Allen's expiring deal. They also get a prospect on a rookie deal in Fab Melo. Instead of losing Smith for nothing next season and just getting cap space, they let TA and Calderon walk to maintain that cap space gaining Fab Melo in the process.

Raptors receive Rudy Gay, Jerryd Bayless, Deshawn Stevenson, and Jason Collins.

Raptors get their man in Gay and keep Derozan. They exchange some contracts for other contracts to make it work.

I think the only team that might be unhappy with this deal is Atlanta. I propose either adding a first rounder to their haul to get it done. Or seriously contemplating exchanging Fab for Sully, but that might be a deal breaker. But I think this ultimately works for everyone.


Thoughts?
Title: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 07:44:21 AM
Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: Birdman on January 30, 2013, 07:52:44 AM
Theres no doubt Atl wont resign him and dont think he has any interest to play there anymore. So I think they will trade him to get something instead of letting him walk and getting nothing like Toronto and Phoenix got nothing with Bosh and Amare. Guy is a top 20 player when he wants to be so I may think long and hard about him.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 07:55:45 AM
Theres no doubt Atl wont resign him and dont think he has any interest to play there anymore. So I think they will trade him to get something instead of letting him walk and getting nothing like Toronto and Phoenix got nothing with Bosh and Amare. Guy is a top 20 player when he wants to be so I may think long and hard about him.

is he worth that money or not?
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: Birdman on January 30, 2013, 08:04:17 AM
Lke I said, u have to think long and hard on him. Myself, no!! Thats alot of money and would hurt signing other players. If he come down some, i would
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 08:09:32 AM
Lke I said, u have to think long and hard on him. Myself, no!! Thats alot of money and would hurt signing other players. If he come down some, i would

yah! signing him would hurt us, i'd rather sign iggy or someone if that is the case

or less cheaper, or i'd rather pursue on varejao 100% useful for the team, than a 94$ contract which is i'm not sure if he is an impact on the team
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: Birdman on January 30, 2013, 08:24:22 AM
With JaVale McGee leg injury, Denver may hold on to him
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: wdleehi on January 30, 2013, 08:28:32 AM
He is not worth the max.  Somewhere in the 8-10 million range is probably what he should be worth.  Likely will end up in the 10-12 million range.   



Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: Donoghus on January 30, 2013, 08:31:23 AM
Not worth the max.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: Evantime34 on January 30, 2013, 08:35:24 AM
In theory I would like to trade for him now, then let the process play out in the offseason, knowing that we could make the best offer.

In reality I don't want to trade Pierce or KG for a guy that might bolt to end the year. I would trade Bass Terry and/or Green to match salaries but the Hawks would laugh Danny off the phone for that proposal.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: bfrombleacher on January 30, 2013, 08:45:24 AM
If he really wants to play with Rondo, he could force the Hawks' GM's hand into a trade...
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: BballTim on January 30, 2013, 08:50:29 AM


  The real questions are whether you could get him to stop taking so many outside shots and would he be worth a max contract if he was a significantly more efficient scorer.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 30, 2013, 08:53:14 AM


  The real questions are whether you could get him to stop taking so many outside shots and would he be worth a max contract if he was a significantly more efficient scorer.

If Smith could get better shot selection, I MIGHT consider him a max player.  He's such a bonehead.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: Moranis on January 30, 2013, 08:54:07 AM
I'd do this trade in a heartbeat (though Atlanta would not)

Smith, Korver, Petro

for

Green, Bass, Lee, Melo, 2013 1st, 2015 1st, 2014 2nd (BOS), 2014 2nd (BRKN)


If they wanted Terry instead of Bass or Lee or if they wanted to keep Petro or Korver, I'd do that as well. 


And I would do that trade and be ok with it even if Smith bolted this summer because at least then it clears Boston out of the financial mess it is in (though I would like to keep Smith).

I would consider Bradley or Sullinger in the trade, but would definitely need to talk to Smith to do that, as I would want him to re-sign if I was giving up one of those two.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: Moranis on January 30, 2013, 08:55:05 AM
He is not worth the max.  Somewhere in the 8-10 million range is probably what he should be worth.  Likely will end up in the 10-12 million range.
You seem to have no real concept of what NBA players make.  I mean Jeff Green makes about 9 million a year and he is no where near the player Josh Smith is. 
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: BballTim on January 30, 2013, 08:55:45 AM


  The real questions are whether you could get him to stop taking so many outside shots and would he be worth a max contract if he was a significantly more efficient scorer.

If Smith could get better shot selection, I MIGHT consider him a max player.  He's such a bonehead.

  To put it in "Courtney Lee" terms, he'd fit in better with his team if he cut way back on the long jumpers, but would he be happy with his role on the team?
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 30, 2013, 08:59:16 AM
No max contract

Get him if he wants to play for workable amount

Otherwise pass
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 30, 2013, 08:59:52 AM


  The real questions are whether you could get him to stop taking so many outside shots and would he be worth a max contract if he was a significantly more efficient scorer.

If Smith could get better shot selection, I MIGHT consider him a max player.  He's such a bonehead.

  To put it in "Courtney Lee" terms, he'd fit in better with his team if he cut way back on the long jumpers, but would he be happy with his role on the team?

What do you mean by "Courtney Lee" terms?  We brought Lee in to spread the floor and play D.  Right now, he can't hit anything.  We need him to take long jumpers because that's what he's supposed to be good at.

Smith's job here would be rim protector first, post option second, and rebounder third.  I think he'd be okay with it at first, but he'd undoubtedly step outside at some point.  I think it's just in his nature (taking jumpers), and that's a shame because if he learned to play inside he'd be a beast.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: BballTim on January 30, 2013, 09:03:50 AM


  The real questions are whether you could get him to stop taking so many outside shots and would he be worth a max contract if he was a significantly more efficient scorer.

If Smith could get better shot selection, I MIGHT consider him a max player.  He's such a bonehead.

  To put it in "Courtney Lee" terms, he'd fit in better with his team if he cut way back on the long jumpers, but would he be happy with his role on the team?

What do you mean by "Courtney Lee" terms?  We brought Lee in to spread the floor and play D.  Right now, he can't hit anything.  We need him to take long jumpers because that's what he's supposed to be good at.

Smith's job here would be rim protector first, post option second, and rebounder third.  I think he'd be okay with it at first, but he'd undoubtedly step outside at some point.  I think it's just in his nature (taking jumpers), and that's a shame because if he learned to play inside he'd be a beast.

  Just a snarky reference to the "Courtney Lee is unhappy with his role on the team" thread.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 30, 2013, 09:12:43 AM


  The real questions are whether you could get him to stop taking so many outside shots and would he be worth a max contract if he was a significantly more efficient scorer.

If Smith could get better shot selection, I MIGHT consider him a max player.  He's such a bonehead.

  To put it in "Courtney Lee" terms, he'd fit in better with his team if he cut way back on the long jumpers, but would he be happy with his role on the team?

What do you mean by "Courtney Lee" terms?  We brought Lee in to spread the floor and play D.  Right now, he can't hit anything.  We need him to take long jumpers because that's what he's supposed to be good at.

Smith's job here would be rim protector first, post option second, and rebounder third.  I think he'd be okay with it at first, but he'd undoubtedly step outside at some point.  I think it's just in his nature (taking jumpers), and that's a shame because if he learned to play inside he'd be a beast.

  Just a snarky reference to the "Courtney Lee is unhappy with his role on the team" thread.

Haha TP
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 30, 2013, 09:21:09 AM
How many max contract players should there be in the NBA? Ten? Twenty?

Another poster said that Smith is a top 20 player. I think I'd have him closer to 30. No question he's a great player, and he's worth close to the max.

When you give a player a max contract, though, you lock up 30% of your cap for five years. It's not so much a question of how much he's worth as it is how much cap space you can sacrifice for him. To me, that means that this question boils down to the following: could I win an NBA championship with a team of 3 Josh Smiths + scrubs? Or 2 Josh Smiths and a roster of average players?

I don't think so. He's great, but he's not that special.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: Who on January 30, 2013, 09:44:58 AM
I think Josh Smith is worth around $15 million a year. So a $75 million over five years deal.

Still, if my team had enough flexibility to add another star or two, I'd give J.Smith the money and pay the luxury tax.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: Who on January 30, 2013, 09:48:27 AM
I'd do this trade in a heartbeat (though Atlanta would not)

Smith, Korver, Petro

for

Green, Bass, Lee, Melo, 2013 1st, 2015 1st, 2014 2nd (BOS), 2014 2nd (BRKN)

If they are dumping Josh Smith at this late stage, with the money he is demanding being well-known and a key side issue to completing any trade, Atlanta may not do better than that.

It's a low offer but it could be competitive.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: wdleehi on January 30, 2013, 09:51:02 AM
I think Josh Smith is worth around $15 million a year. So a $75 million over five years deal.

Still, if my team had enough flexibility to add another star or two, I'd give J.Smith the money and pay the luxury tax.

That is way to much.  At 15 million, the player needs to be a real positive game changer both ways.  A top 1 or  2 player on a team.

Josh Smith isn't that type of player. 
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: wdleehi on January 30, 2013, 09:52:17 AM
I say be patient.



If they just dump Smith, it likely will not be long until Hortford wants out.  That's the guy the Celtics should go after. 
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: Birdman on January 30, 2013, 09:55:42 AM
I think Josh Smith is worth around $15 million a year. So a $75 million over five years deal.

Still, if my team had enough flexibility to add another star or two, I'd give J.Smith the money and pay the luxury tax.
Ditto
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: Banner18now! on January 30, 2013, 09:58:54 AM
No, you pay a guy max money when he brings it every night.
Not to a guy who brings it when he feels like it.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 10:30:55 AM


  The real questions are whether you could get him to stop taking so many outside shots and would he be worth a max contract if he was a significantly more efficient scorer.

If Smith could get better shot selection, I MIGHT consider him a max player.  He's such a bonehead.

  To put it in "Courtney Lee" terms, he'd fit in better with his team if he cut way back on the long jumpers, but would he be happy with his role on the team?

What do you mean by "Courtney Lee" terms?  We brought Lee in to spread the floor and play D.  Right now, he can't hit anything.  We need him to take long jumpers because that's what he's supposed to be good at.

Smith's job here would be rim protector first, post option second, and rebounder third.  I think he'd be okay with it at first, but he'd undoubtedly step outside at some point.  I think it's just in his nature (taking jumpers), and that's a shame because if he learned to play inside he'd be a beast.

  Just a snarky reference to the "Courtney Lee is unhappy with his role on the team" thread.

we will see what he can bring rondo is out 1 year...lets see lee
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 30, 2013, 10:34:50 AM
No max contract

Get him if he wants to play for workable amount

Otherwise pass

Yeah I go here. Of course he wants Max money. What player of his caliber wouldn't. But thats why there are negotiations and I think that the appeal of playing for the Celts alongside Rondo Garnett and Pierce would take his mind of a Max deal. At least I would think it would.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: rondohondo on January 30, 2013, 10:39:39 AM
No max contract

Get him if he wants to play for workable amount

Otherwise pass

Yeah I go here. Of course he wants Max money. What player of his caliber wouldn't. But thats why there are negotiations and I think that the appeal of playing for the Celts alongside Rondo Garnett and Pierce would take his mind of a Max deal. At least I would think it would.

I agree, if we get him on the team, I think it is pretty much a guarantee he would resign to play with Rondo. Doubt he can get a max contract from anyone , but even if he could , would he leave the c's and rondo for an extra 2 mil a year to play with a team like Phoenix?

I say get him in here and see how he fits with the team.

4 years 12-14 mil per sounds about right
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: Kane3387 on January 30, 2013, 10:40:58 AM
No max contract

Get him if he wants to play for workable amount

Otherwise pass

Yeah I go here. Of course he wants Max money. What player of his caliber wouldn't. But thats why there are negotiations and I think that the appeal of playing for the Celts alongside Rondo Garnett and Pierce would take his mind of a Max deal. At least I would think it would.

I agree, if we get him on the team, I think it is pretty much a guarantee he would resign to play with Rondo. Doubt he can get a max contract from anyone , but even if he could , would he leave the c's and rondo for an extra 2 mil a year to play with a team like Phoenix?

I say get him in here and see how he fits with the team.

4 years 12-14 mil per sounds about right

Agreed.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: clover on January 30, 2013, 10:46:51 AM


  The real questions are whether you could get him to stop taking so many outside shots and would he be worth a max contract if he was a significantly more efficient scorer.

If Smith could get better shot selection, I MIGHT consider him a max player.  He's such a bonehead.

  To put it in "Courtney Lee" terms, he'd fit in better with his team if he cut way back on the long jumpers, but would he be happy with his role on the team?

What do you mean by "Courtney Lee" terms?  We brought Lee in to spread the floor and play D.  Right now, he can't hit anything.  We need him to take long jumpers because that's what he's supposed to be good at.

Smith's job here would be rim protector first, post option second, and rebounder third.  I think he'd be okay with it at first, but he'd undoubtedly step outside at some point.  I think it's just in his nature (taking jumpers), and that's a shame because if he learned to play inside he'd be a beast.

What are you talking about--Lee's been hitting almost .400 from the 3 for the last two months.  Even counting his tough first month, he's #1 in FT% and #3 in overall FG% and 3PT% among their regular rotation players?

Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 10:51:02 AM
No max contract

Get him if he wants to play for workable amount

Otherwise pass

Yeah I go here. Of course he wants Max money. What player of his caliber wouldn't. But thats why there are negotiations and I think that the appeal of playing for the Celts alongside Rondo Garnett and Pierce would take his mind of a Max deal. At least I would think it would.

I agree, if we get him on the team, I think it is pretty much a guarantee he would resign to play with Rondo. Doubt he can get a max contract from anyone , but even if he could , would he leave the c's and rondo for an extra 2 mil a year to play with a team like Phoenix?

I say get him in here and see how he fits with the team.

4 years 12-14 mil per sounds about right

celtics are over the salary cap and if i where to choose, i'd prefer green to stay,

on the note people are saying he can guard lebron, 1 on 1? its a no! not even green

but by not taking him is the best idea for me, so that we can resign pierce kg rondo bradley sully, and when maybe bass or lee or terry or green, we can sign maybe 2 sg who are better maybe reddick and jennings
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: rondohondo on January 30, 2013, 10:52:03 AM


  The real questions are whether you could get him to stop taking so many outside shots and would he be worth a max contract if he was a significantly more efficient scorer.

If Smith could get better shot selection, I MIGHT consider him a max player.  He's such a bonehead.

  To put it in "Courtney Lee" terms, he'd fit in better with his team if he cut way back on the long jumpers, but would he be happy with his role on the team?

What do you mean by "Courtney Lee" terms?  We brought Lee in to spread the floor and play D.  Right now, he can't hit anything.  We need him to take long jumpers because that's what he's supposed to be good at.

Smith's job here would be rim protector first, post option second, and rebounder third.  I think he'd be okay with it at first, but he'd undoubtedly step outside at some point.  I think it's just in his nature (taking jumpers), and that's a shame because if he learned to play inside he'd be a beast.

What are you talking about--Lee's been hitting almost .400 from the 3 for the last two months.  Even counting his tough first month, he's #1 in FT% and #3 in overall FG% and 3PT% among their regular rotation players?

yes he has high shooting % for the last two months, but he is only making1 3 pointer a game and taking 1 free throw a game.......

Thats 4 points, that doesn't mean he spaces the floor , it just means he has such few attempts that is % is high
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 11:03:48 AM


  The real questions are whether you could get him to stop taking so many outside shots and would he be worth a max contract if he was a significantly more efficient scorer.

If Smith could get better shot selection, I MIGHT consider him a max player.  He's such a bonehead.

  To put it in "Courtney Lee" terms, he'd fit in better with his team if he cut way back on the long jumpers, but would he be happy with his role on the team?

What do you mean by "Courtney Lee" terms?  We brought Lee in to spread the floor and play D.  Right now, he can't hit anything.  We need him to take long jumpers because that's what he's supposed to be good at.

Smith's job here would be rim protector first, post option second, and rebounder third.  I think he'd be okay with it at first, but he'd undoubtedly step outside at some point.  I think it's just in his nature (taking jumpers), and that's a shame because if he learned to play inside he'd be a beast.

What are you talking about--Lee's been hitting almost .400 from the 3 for the last two months.  Even counting his tough first month, he's #1 in FT% and #3 in overall FG% and 3PT% among their regular rotation players?

yes he has high shooting % for the last two months, but he is only making1 3 pointer a game and taking 1 free throw a game.......

Thats 4 points, that doesn't mean he spaces the floor , it just means he has such few attempts that is % is high

he just said it's because of rondo, holding the ball for let say 15 seconds? while lee is waiting to attack the basket, lee is a cutter guy style
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: dreamgreen on January 30, 2013, 11:05:39 AM
No max contract

Get him if he wants to play for workable amount

Otherwise pass

Yeah I go here. Of course he wants Max money. What player of his caliber wouldn't. But thats why there are negotiations and I think that the appeal of playing for the Celts alongside Rondo Garnett and Pierce would take his mind of a Max deal. At least I would think it would.

I agree, if we get him on the team, I think it is pretty much a guarantee he would resign to play with Rondo. Doubt he can get a max contract from anyone , but even if he could , would he leave the c's and rondo for an extra 2 mil a year to play with a team like Phoenix?

I say get him in here and see how he fits with the team.

4 years 12-14 mil per sounds about right

12-14 mill sounds right to me. I would think PP would be in a package to trade for him, but I'm willing to try this line up.

Rondo
Bradley
Green
Smith
KG

Scoring would be hard but the D could be unreal. Would need some shooters off the bench and hope Melo could play 1-15 mins a game.
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 11:30:33 AM
No max contract

Get him if he wants to play for workable amount

Otherwise pass

Yeah I go here. Of course he wants Max money. What player of his caliber wouldn't. But thats why there are negotiations and I think that the appeal of playing for the Celts alongside Rondo Garnett and Pierce would take his mind of a Max deal. At least I would think it would.

I agree, if we get him on the team, I think it is pretty much a guarantee he would resign to play with Rondo. Doubt he can get a max contract from anyone , but even if he could , would he leave the c's and rondo for an extra 2 mil a year to play with a team like Phoenix?

I say get him in here and see how he fits with the team.

4 years 12-14 mil per sounds about right

12-14 mill sounds right to me. I would think PP would be in a package to trade for him, but I'm willing to try this line up.

Rondo
Bradley
Green
Smith
KG

Scoring would be hard but the D could be unreal. Would need some shooters off the bench and hope Melo could play 1-15 mins a game.

pierce in hawks jersey? while rondo and smith are happy?

bad scenario,
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 30, 2013, 11:31:50 AM
I think Josh Smith is worth around $15 million a year. So a $75 million over five years deal.

Still, if my team had enough flexibility to add another star or two, I'd give J.Smith the money and pay the luxury tax.

If Josh Smith is worth $15 million, the Jeff Green is worth $9 million a year-oh wait  :'(
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: rondohondo on January 30, 2013, 02:01:26 PM
(http://www.celtic-nation.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/image5.jpg)  ;)
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: dinome18 on January 30, 2013, 02:16:26 PM
Something to be said for at least a higher profile fa wanting to play here. Rondo and Smith may attract others..only chance?
Title: Re: Josh Smith On The Trading Block, Is He Worth 94$ Million Max Contract?
Post by: BballTim on January 30, 2013, 02:16:47 PM
No max contract

Get him if he wants to play for workable amount

Otherwise pass

Yeah I go here. Of course he wants Max money. What player of his caliber wouldn't. But thats why there are negotiations and I think that the appeal of playing for the Celts alongside Rondo Garnett and Pierce would take his mind of a Max deal. At least I would think it would.

I agree, if we get him on the team, I think it is pretty much a guarantee he would resign to play with Rondo. Doubt he can get a max contract from anyone , but even if he could , would he leave the c's and rondo for an extra 2 mil a year to play with a team like Phoenix?

I say get him in here and see how he fits with the team.

4 years 12-14 mil per sounds about right

12-14 mill sounds right to me. I would think PP would be in a package to trade for him, but I'm willing to try this line up.

Rondo
Bradley
Green
Smith
KG

Scoring would be hard but the D could be unreal. Would need some shooters off the bench and hope Melo could play 1-15 mins a game.

pierce in hawks jersey? while rondo and smith are happy?

bad scenario,

  So having the players still on your roster after you make a trade happy is a bad scenario? Interesting.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: AB_Celtic on January 30, 2013, 02:20:49 PM
(http://www.celtic-nation.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/image5.jpg)  ;)

That's some great editing.

*saved*
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: Mr October on January 30, 2013, 02:36:57 PM
Josh Smith is not worth the max. He's like a taller pre-memphis Tony Allen. I'd take that as a role player for 9 million per year. But 15+ per year. No way. I need more maturity out of that financial slot. He makes so many bad decisions, and I can never see him leading a team to the finals.

I'll pass. I'd rather ride out Pierce and KG's last year and a half, see them retire as Celtics, and build through the draft.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: Fafnir on January 30, 2013, 02:39:49 PM
We wouldn't be trading Pierce/KG for him though, Atlanta would want no part of either player. Maybe in a 3 team deal....
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: Birdman on January 30, 2013, 02:43:45 PM
If u could trade PP to the Clippers and get Smith from Atlanta, i do it
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: snively on January 30, 2013, 02:58:56 PM
It would be so frustrating to get Smith after losing Rondo.  I would have loved to see them play together this year with Bradley/Pierce/KG surrounding them. 
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: Mr October on January 30, 2013, 03:05:22 PM
We wouldn't be trading Pierce/KG for him though, Atlanta would want no part of either player. Maybe in a 3 team deal....

Yeah I dont see the Celtics as having anything the Hawks would want. It takes 2 to Tango.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: rondohondo on January 30, 2013, 03:08:21 PM
We wouldn't be trading Pierce/KG for him though, Atlanta would want no part of either player. Maybe in a 3 team deal....

Yeah I dont see the Celtics as having anything the Hawks would want. It takes 2 to Tango.

smith can force his way here if he want, just pull a melo
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: LooseCannon on January 30, 2013, 03:09:15 PM
I'd like to see him being given a green light to shoot all the long jumpers he wants early in the shot clock in a D'Antoni-ball system after being traded to the Lakers.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: arctic 3.0 on January 30, 2013, 03:13:07 PM
tradeMachine?tradeId=b5kqd8o
Working from the Memphis/ Toronto rumor add the celtics and hawks.
Lots of parts but what the hey.
Bos sends green, bass, Wilcox, terry, Collins
Receives calderon, josh smith
Memphis sends gay
Receives bass, Ed Davis, Wilcox and Toronto picks
Atl sends smith
Receives terry, green, t ross
Toronto sends Ed Davis, calderon
Receives gay, Collins
I understand its likely not realistic
Thoughts?
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: Mr October on January 30, 2013, 03:18:13 PM
We wouldn't be trading Pierce/KG for him though, Atlanta would want no part of either player. Maybe in a 3 team deal....

Yeah I dont see the Celtics as having anything the Hawks would want. It takes 2 to Tango.

smith can force his way here if he want, just pull a melo

At least the Knicks had young pieces to send to Denver. The Celtics have Bradley, Sullinger and then a bunch of contracts other teams don't want.

Bass, Green and Terry are overpaid.

I also actually wonder if Danny and Doc have much interest in Smith at all. He's got a lot of Ricky Davis / Antoine Walker to his game.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: scaryjerry on January 30, 2013, 03:19:10 PM
 josh Smith is a knucklehead of epic proportions, extremely overrated on these boards, he should be a perennial all star and he's never made even one in the garbage east.having him as your best player you're destined to be what the hawks have been....you're literally better off with rondo as your best player..and in the chance we had them both and even if they played together in high school, I believe they'd be a horrible match in the NBA
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: snively on January 30, 2013, 03:28:10 PM
We wouldn't be trading Pierce/KG for him though, Atlanta would want no part of either player. Maybe in a 3 team deal....

Maybe KG/Stevenson to San Antonio, Jackson/Splitter to Atlanta and Josh Smith to Boston.

Duncan/KG rivalry aside, I think that makes a lot of sense for all parties.  Atlanta doesn't take on long-term salary, gets a high-level center prospect, San Antonio gets an elite two-way big man to playoff-proof their frontcourt rotation and Boston gets a young frontcourt piece to replace KG going forward.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: OttawaCeltic on January 30, 2013, 03:41:24 PM
"You can only select up to 4 options"

Lol, check dem alllllllll :P

J.Smith is a necessity on this team, but on the same level as getting another big like Al Jeff, Kaman, Shaquille, Robert Parish, etc.

I think we have a great chance of getting these guys
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: krook on January 31, 2013, 05:53:45 AM
i think danny ainge would not waste his money on smith,
i never ever heard doc and danny talked about him
2 players in high-school? a years ago
and put them together in a team?
i think it will be the same, this team will not be a contender

just an opinion
unless you got lebron at sf and kobe at sg
and he is not worth that money to me, houston has a lot to offer, what we need next years is a 6'11 to 7'1 big man
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: PhoSita on January 31, 2013, 06:03:22 AM
We wouldn't be trading Pierce/KG for him though, Atlanta would want no part of either player. Maybe in a 3 team deal....

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a2sypjm

Bos gets: Butler + Smith

LAC get: Pierce + Pachulia

Atl gets: Jordan + Bass + 1st (BOS top 3 protected)
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: krook on January 31, 2013, 06:08:36 AM
We wouldn't be trading Pierce/KG for him though, Atlanta would want no part of either player. Maybe in a 3 team deal....

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a2sypjm

Bos gets: Butler + Smith

LAC get: Pierce + Pachulia

Atl gets: Jordan + Bass + 1st (BOS top 3 protected)

still on pierce rumors
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: Kuberski1 on January 31, 2013, 07:00:53 AM
Not for the price he'd eventually command....pass.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: krook on February 14, 2013, 01:47:42 AM
Not for the price he'd eventually command....pass.

yah agree

he is not a max contract player

HE IS NOT

if its iggy yes he is
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: jdz101 on February 14, 2013, 02:03:22 AM
Not for the price he'd eventually command....pass.

yah agree

he is not a max contract player

HE IS NOT

if its iggy yes he is

Did you just say smith is not worth the max but iguodala is?

My goodness.

Josh smith 6'9" - 17 points / 9 rebounds / 4 assists / 2 blocks / 1.5 steals - 45%

Andre iguodala 6'6" - 14 points / 6 rebounds / 5 assists / 0.6 blocks / 1.5 steals - 44%

If you have to spend max money on either of those two players, you spend it on smoove every day of the week.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 14, 2013, 02:11:02 AM
josh smith is overrated. Who cares if rondo is friends with him and played in high school with him. that was high school. Unless he wants to take a pay cut to play with his boy rondo, i dont want to hear this guys name.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: celticslove on February 14, 2013, 02:19:23 AM
josh smith is overrated. Who cares if rondo is friends with him and played in high school with him. that was high school. Unless he wants to take a pay cut to play with his boy rondo, i dont want to hear this guys name.
this. if this is fantasy basketball i'd take him in a heartbeat, unfortunately this is real basketball and i don't think he is good as advertised.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: fitzhickey on February 14, 2013, 03:31:54 AM
Darn, accidentally clicked yes, but he isn't worth it
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: chambers on February 14, 2013, 04:13:45 AM
Can't see what the Hawks would take for what we have...
Lets hope he goes to free agency and takes the pay cut to play with Rondo.
I don't want him taking up 5 years and 94 million.
Maybe 4 years 50-60 million then we can afford him and another All Star caliber player.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: hwangjini_1 on February 14, 2013, 07:46:45 AM
Can't see what the Hawks would take for what we have...
Lets hope he goes to free agency and takes the pay cut to play with Rondo.
I don't want him taking up 5 years and 94 million.
Maybe 4 years 50-60 million then we can afford him and another All Star caliber player.

good points. if he is a free agent next year, why pay for 1/2 of a season this year? when he goes to free agency we will quickly find out how much he loves his high school buddy.

as for salary, a trade of bass would open up some space for the team i suppose.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 14, 2013, 07:51:44 AM
not till KG and Pierce retire.    Maybe then.

Jeff Green keeps improving , he is a better value.

Rather have Milsap that Smith on this current roster.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: celticslove on February 14, 2013, 08:01:20 AM
not till KG and Pierce retire.    Maybe then.

Jeff Green keeps improving , he is a better value.

Rather have Milsap that Smith on this current roster.
Agree with Milsap heck i think Gortat would fit in better the smith with our current lineup.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: Taklamar on February 14, 2013, 09:21:40 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithjo03.html

For his career his team scores 102 points/100 possessions and gives up 103 points / 100 possessions when he's on the court.  His career Win Score is .100, which is dead average.

Whatever his athletic ability and skills are, it doesn't translate to a good player, let alone someone worth a max contract.  He has flash but no substance.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: Kane3387 on February 14, 2013, 09:28:23 AM
Read Boston is the primary destination. Incredible.
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: eugen on February 14, 2013, 10:50:41 AM
I do not see Smith max player. Does not deserve that money
Title: Re: Source "Expectations are growing Hawks will trade Josh Smith"Get em Danny
Post by: krook on February 14, 2013, 11:46:59 AM
Not for the price he'd eventually command....pass.

yah agree

he is not a max contract player

HE IS NOT

if its iggy yes he is

Did you just say smith is not worth the max but iguodala is?

My goodness.

Josh smith 6'9" - 17 points / 9 rebounds / 4 assists / 2 blocks / 1.5 steals - 45%

Andre iguodala 6'6" - 14 points / 6 rebounds / 5 assists / 0.6 blocks / 1.5 steals - 44%

If you have to spend max money on either of those two players, you spend it on smoove every day of the week.


people must really think before posting

1) will pierce and kg retire next season?
2) will danny ferry just let smith walk and go to celtics without getting something?
3) is it enough to give him max contract if rondo pierce and kg was still here?
4) will danny ainge say YES if smith say's i want max contract?
5) rondo and him are teammates the past years since high school?
6) can rondo and smith both bring this team to a championship ring? with rondo's attitude?without a good bench players like we have?
7) will the duo of smith-rondo works while rondo hog the ball so long?
8 ) what if smith keeps on hitting 3's and missed all the time?
9) what if the celtics did not make it to playoffs with smith on the team? what will be the fans reactions?
10)can we sign another good player with smith max contract going to hard salary cap? or we are stuck at PF smith's contract and just signed some veteran old washed out players?