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Title: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on January 29, 2013, 07:19:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-myi2n2g1o

can someone who watches alot of college ball tell me , more about this kid.

Looks like a typical white kid who can shoot. So whats new?

Well i'm reading and seeing clips that he is like the next dirk or a better version of Wally z.

From the clip looks like he has 100 ways to score inside (like al jefferson) and is a lights out shooter all the way from the 3 point land. Again being a typical white kid, knock on him is he won't be able to play nba defense.

draftexpress has him pegged as a Kyle Korver type guy, and has incredible motor from start to finish.

On nbadraft.net he is pegged to go in the late 20's. Is this kid going to be a steal or just another Harangody?? How much better is he than Harangody??

Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on January 29, 2013, 07:23:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTj-rYiNWVU

found another clip. Love these mike smitz draftexpress in depth clips.

Also his stats are exceptional, with 500 fg and 3 pt shooting percentages. Though he doesn't play against great competition.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 07:45:31 PM
Once teams plan for him, he's going straight to Europe.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: danglertx on January 29, 2013, 08:00:24 PM
Reminds me of John Paxon's game with better finishing around the rim.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on January 29, 2013, 08:11:09 PM
Reminds me of John Paxon's game with better finishing around the rim.

Well Paxon was a guard. This kid is 6'8

I like his motor , scoring capabilities and confidence.

The way he runs around without the ball to get open , looks Ray Allen like.

Larry Bird played before i really got into basketball. His defense i remember wasn't the best and he played sf. Back then for drafting players,was athleticism and defense not as high priority as scoring skills? I'm not saying this kid will be like bird , but how can anyone tell who the next bird will be? 
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on January 29, 2013, 08:16:53 PM
Hordon Gayward?  ???
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Galeto on February 10, 2013, 03:21:27 AM
Excellent shooter, a potential deadly pick and pop/spot up option from three but besides that, I don't think the rest of his game translates to the NBA at all.  He plays sort of like Wally Szczerbiak did in college with less ball handling but I'd rate his athleticism a couple of rungs lower than Wally's.  Yeah, he's pretty slow and unathletic.  He finishes around the rim really well in college but I can't see that happening in the NBA and there is no way he is going to create separation either on his own or running away from guys off screens.  On the defensive end, he has no chance.

All that said, it's possible he could be a deadly offensive option in the right system just like Steve Novak.  He is that kind of shooter. 
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on February 17, 2013, 02:52:58 PM
Excellent shooter, a potential deadly pick and pop/spot up option from three but besides that, I don't think the rest of his game translates to the NBA at all.  He plays sort of like Wally Szczerbiak did in college with less ball handling but I'd rate his athleticism a couple of rungs lower than Wally's.  Yeah, he's pretty slow and unathletic.  He finishes around the rim really well in college but I can't see that happening in the NBA and there is no way he is going to create separation either on his own or running away from guys off screens.  On the defensive end, he has no chance.

All that said, it's possible he could be a deadly offensive option in the right system just like Steve Novak.  He is that kind of shooter.

no chance is far fetched. Thats like saying Sullinger has no chance against centers in the nba. His motor and iq proved this theory to be dead wrong

Mcdermott also from the scouting report has a high motor and iq. He would be better suited to be a sf in the nba due to his size but from his package , would be a more effective PF. I can see him being a very good 6th or 7th man type of player.

If the Celtics get in the position to draft him around the 20's, i would do it , in a heartbeat. He just looks like a guy other teams will hate to play against, on both sides of the court.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: CoachBo on February 17, 2013, 03:35:48 PM
People said Bird couldn't jump and guard people, also.

I absolutely love Doug McDermott's game, and believe he's going to be a very, very good NBA starter for years - if not a star.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Fafnir on February 18, 2013, 05:29:23 PM
People said Bird couldn't jump and guard people, also.

I absolutely love Doug McDermott's game, and believe he's going to be a very, very good NBA starter for years - if not a star.
He can't get the ball against college Ds, that's a problem. He's also not a passer, he's a scorer.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 05:30:41 PM
People said Bird couldn't jump and guard people, also.

I absolutely love Doug McDermott's game, and believe he's going to be a very, very good NBA starter for years - if not a star.
He can't get the ball against college Ds, that's a problem. He's also not a passer, he's a scorer.

There is literally no way this kid becomes a star. Sorry to say it, but it's true.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: CoachBo on February 18, 2013, 06:00:50 PM
People said Bird couldn't jump and guard people, also.

I absolutely love Doug McDermott's game, and believe he's going to be a very, very good NBA starter for years - if not a star.
He can't get the ball against college Ds, that's a problem. He's also not a passer, he's a scorer.

There is literally no way this kid becomes a star. Sorry to say it, but it's true.

You are not paying attention, because every single thing you say is blatantly false.

We see him twice a week out here in the Valley. Seen him in person several times. He is a legitimate national POY candidate and his game translates nicely to the NBA.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Fafnir on February 18, 2013, 06:07:55 PM
People said Bird couldn't jump and guard people, also.

I absolutely love Doug McDermott's game, and believe he's going to be a very, very good NBA starter for years - if not a star.
He can't get the ball against college Ds, that's a problem. He's also not a passer, he's a scorer.

There is literally no way this kid becomes a star. Sorry to say it, but it's true.

You are not paying attention, because every single thing you say is blatantly false.

We see him twice a week out here in the Valley. Seen him in person several times. He is a legitimate national POY candidate and his game translates nicely to the NBA.
I've watched most of their games, I live in Omaha so we get most of them on Television especially this year.

He's not a ball hog, that's not what I meant by scorer versus passer. He's not a creative passer, is what I meant, in that way comparisons to Bird don't ring true.

As for not getting the ball, he can't not when teams are physical with him and deny it. Go look at the games Creighton has lost especially. They struggle to get him the ball and they've lost games because of it.

Now certainly some of that is on his teammates, but if you want to be a special offensive player you have to be able to get yourself open to get the ball! Especially when you aren't comfortable getting it near the top or the elbow where its easier to toss it to you.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on February 18, 2013, 07:36:39 PM
People said Bird couldn't jump and guard people, also.

I absolutely love Doug McDermott's game, and believe he's going to be a very, very good NBA starter for years - if not a star.
He can't get the ball against college Ds, that's a problem. He's also not a passer, he's a scorer.

There is literally no way this kid becomes a star. Sorry to say it, but it's true.

You are not paying attention, because every single thing you say is blatantly false.

We see him twice a week out here in the Valley. Seen him in person several times. He is a legitimate national POY candidate and his game translates nicely to the NBA.
I've watched most of their games, I live in Omaha so we get most of them on Television especially this year.

He's not a ball hog, that's not what I meant by scorer versus passer. He's not a creative passer, is what I meant, in that way comparisons to Bird don't ring true.

As for not getting the ball, he can't not when teams are physical with him and deny it. Go look at the games Creighton has lost especially. They struggle to get him the ball and they've lost games because of it.

Now certainly some of that is on his teammates, but if you want to be a special offensive player you have to be able to get yourself open to get the ball! Especially when you aren't comfortable getting it near the top or the elbow where its easier to toss it to you.

Creighton has nobody to depend on , except for this guy. He is being double teamed and usually harassed

What if he plays on a pro team , where he doesn't have to be the main guy??

I salivate at that thought. Maybe its 3 three's in a row, maybe its two quick interior baskets.

People mention Matt Hapring part 2 with DM. And last time i remember Hapring was a pretty good darn sf. Gave pierce all kinds of trouble when they played against each other
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Galeto on February 19, 2013, 12:00:27 AM
People said Bird couldn't jump and guard people, also.

I absolutely love Doug McDermott's game, and believe he's going to be a very, very good NBA starter for years - if not a star.
He can't get the ball against college Ds, that's a problem. He's also not a passer, he's a scorer.

There is literally no way this kid becomes a star. Sorry to say it, but it's true.

You are not paying attention, because every single thing you say is blatantly false.

We see him twice a week out here in the Valley. Seen him in person several times. He is a legitimate national POY candidate and his game translates nicely to the NBA.

How does his game translate nicely?  He gets a vast majority of his points by sealing his man in the post and hitting very simple shots off the glass.  He doesn't have the size to translate that part of the game into the NBA.  The only part of his game that translates nicely is his shooting but that only makes him a nice potential role player if his defense will allow him to stay on the floor, which is in doubt.

He has the size of a NBA small forward but the way he plays in college is almost exclusively as a post-up 4 who pick and pops on occasion from three.  This is what he does on almost every single possession: run really hard down the floor and try to post up.  He mixes it up sometimes by picking and popping from three.  He almost never dribbles or creates his own shot off the dribble.  There is no way he has the game of a very good to star NBA small forward.

He's undoubtedly an excellent shooter but besides that, I don't think his skill level is all that high.  He's shown no handle, no ability to create off the dribble and not post moves besides a simple bank shot.  I haven't seen him try a hook or turnaround jumper.   

 
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: CFAN38 on February 19, 2013, 04:47:57 PM
I expect a Luke Walton like career from him. I see him as a solid 8th or 9th man on a good team. His shooting, decent size, and high iq will lead him to 10+ years in the league if he stays healthy but will never be better than a 9pt 5rb guy.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on February 26, 2013, 07:44:17 PM
People said Bird couldn't jump and guard people, also.

I absolutely love Doug McDermott's game, and believe he's going to be a very, very good NBA starter for years - if not a star.
He can't get the ball against college Ds, that's a problem. He's also not a passer, he's a scorer.

There is literally no way this kid becomes a star. Sorry to say it, but it's true.

You are not paying attention, because every single thing you say is blatantly false.

We see him twice a week out here in the Valley. Seen him in person several times. He is a legitimate national POY candidate and his game translates nicely to the NBA.

How does his game translate nicely?  He gets a vast majority of his points by sealing his man in the post and hitting very simple shots off the glass.  He doesn't have the size to translate that part of the game into the NBA.  The only part of his game that translates nicely is his shooting but that only makes him a nice potential role player if his defense will allow him to stay on the floor, which is in doubt.

He has the size of a NBA small forward but the way he plays in college is almost exclusively as a post-up 4 who pick and pops on occasion from three.  This is what he does on almost every single possession: run really hard down the floor and try to post up.  He mixes it up sometimes by picking and popping from three.  He almost never dribbles or creates his own shot off the dribble.  There is no way he has the game of a very good to star NBA small forward.

He's undoubtedly an excellent shooter but besides that, I don't think his skill level is all that high.  He's shown no handle, no ability to create off the dribble and not post moves besides a simple bank shot.  I haven't seen him try a hook or turnaround jumper.

I'm sure you have seen Zbo and Al Jefferson play. Do these guys look like at times they have any business doing what they do on the court??

They just know how to score no matter who they face. I see Mcdermott in the same light as these guys.  Worse case he is a better Kyle Korver. So no matter what, he will be a good nba player. But i think he will be better than this. I've watched a few games now he has played. And you if watch him, he is always moving on the court. He also rarely makes the same mistake twice. So if gets blocked under the basket by doing one move, he will just try something else instead. And usually it goes in bc its hard for a defender to be able to stop so many moves in one game.

Again i'm overly impressed by this guy, i hope another team doesn't "dallas" him, when we have a shot to pick him. His motor and energy is nothing i have seen , since kobe in his earlier days. Just never stops moving and looks like he could play the whole game with the same energy he began with. Highly intelligent , tough and has the Paul Pierce, creativity ways to score and the you can depend on me, in crisis situations mentality.




Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: CoachBo on February 26, 2013, 08:10:21 PM
People said Bird couldn't jump and guard people, also.

I absolutely love Doug McDermott's game, and believe he's going to be a very, very good NBA starter for years - if not a star.
He can't get the ball against college Ds, that's a problem. He's also not a passer, he's a scorer.

There is literally no way this kid becomes a star. Sorry to say it, but it's true.

You are not paying attention, because every single thing you say is blatantly false.

We see him twice a week out here in the Valley. Seen him in person several times. He is a legitimate national POY candidate and his game translates nicely to the NBA.

How does his game translate nicely?  He gets a vast majority of his points by sealing his man in the post and hitting very simple shots off the glass.  He doesn't have the size to translate that part of the game into the NBA.  The only part of his game that translates nicely is his shooting but that only makes him a nice potential role player if his defense will allow him to stay on the floor, which is in doubt.

He has the size of a NBA small forward but the way he plays in college is almost exclusively as a post-up 4 who pick and pops on occasion from three.  This is what he does on almost every single possession: run really hard down the floor and try to post up.  He mixes it up sometimes by picking and popping from three.  He almost never dribbles or creates his own shot off the dribble.  There is no way he has the game of a very good to star NBA small forward.

He's undoubtedly an excellent shooter but besides that, I don't think his skill level is all that high.  He's shown no handle, no ability to create off the dribble and not post moves besides a simple bank shot.  I haven't seen him try a hook or turnaround jumper.

I'm sure you have seen Zbo and Al Jefferson play. Do these guys look like at times they have any business doing what they do on the court??

They just know how to score no matter who they face. I see Mcdermott in the same light as these guys.  Worse case he is a better Kyle Korver. So no matter what, he will be a good nba player. But i think he will be better than this. I've watched a few games now he has played. And you if watch him, he is always moving on the court. He also rarely makes the same mistake twice. So if gets blocked under the basket by doing one move, he will just try something else instead. And usually it goes in bc its hard for a defender to be able to stop so many moves in one game.

Again i'm overly impressed by this guy, i hope another team doesn't "dallas" him, when we have a shot to pick him. His motor and energy is nothing i have seen , since kobe in his earlier days. Just never stops moving and looks like he could play the whole game with the same energy he began with. Highly intelligent , tough and has the Paul Pierce, creativity ways to score and the you can depend on me, in crisis situations mentality.

Excellent take. Completely agree and I'd jump on this guy - and try to move up - to grab him. You don't find this kind of basketball intellect and creativity in every pro prospect. See Green, Gerald, for further information.

He will be special in the league. Mark it down.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 26, 2013, 08:12:12 PM
No guarantees can be made. About anyone.

And I don't see this guy as special. But prove me wrong, Doug!
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Galeto on February 27, 2013, 09:39:23 AM
People said Bird couldn't jump and guard people, also.

I absolutely love Doug McDermott's game, and believe he's going to be a very, very good NBA starter for years - if not a star.
He can't get the ball against college Ds, that's a problem. He's also not a passer, he's a scorer.

There is literally no way this kid becomes a star. Sorry to say it, but it's true.

You are not paying attention, because every single thing you say is blatantly false.

We see him twice a week out here in the Valley. Seen him in person several times. He is a legitimate national POY candidate and his game translates nicely to the NBA.

How does his game translate nicely?  He gets a vast majority of his points by sealing his man in the post and hitting very simple shots off the glass.  He doesn't have the size to translate that part of the game into the NBA.  The only part of his game that translates nicely is his shooting but that only makes him a nice potential role player if his defense will allow him to stay on the floor, which is in doubt.

He has the size of a NBA small forward but the way he plays in college is almost exclusively as a post-up 4 who pick and pops on occasion from three.  This is what he does on almost every single possession: run really hard down the floor and try to post up.  He mixes it up sometimes by picking and popping from three.  He almost never dribbles or creates his own shot off the dribble.  There is no way he has the game of a very good to star NBA small forward.

He's undoubtedly an excellent shooter but besides that, I don't think his skill level is all that high.  He's shown no handle, no ability to create off the dribble and not post moves besides a simple bank shot.  I haven't seen him try a hook or turnaround jumper.

I'm sure you have seen Zbo and Al Jefferson play. Do these guys look like at times they have any business doing what they do on the court??

They just know how to score no matter who they face. I see Mcdermott in the same light as these guys.  Worse case he is a better Kyle Korver. So no matter what, he will be a good nba player. But i think he will be better than this. I've watched a few games now he has played. And you if watch him, he is always moving on the court. He also rarely makes the same mistake twice. So if gets blocked under the basket by doing one move, he will just try something else instead. And usually it goes in bc its hard for a defender to be able to stop so many moves in one game.

Again i'm overly impressed by this guy, i hope another team doesn't "dallas" him, when we have a shot to pick him. His motor and energy is nothing i have seen , since kobe in his earlier days. Just never stops moving and looks like he could play the whole game with the same energy he began with. Highly intelligent , tough and has the Paul Pierce, creativity ways to score and the you can depend on me, in crisis situations mentality.

What does Jefferson and Randolph have to do with McDermott?  They are much bigger guys with the size to be bigs in the NBA.  They are extremely strong.  They can get their shots off in the paint.  As a 6'7 guy with limited hops and an average wingspan, it is very unlikely he'll be able to do the things in the post in the NBA that he does in college.

While it's impressive that he's always moving, it's usually in an effort to post up on either side of the paint.  He won't be allowed to do that as a small forward or a very undersized PF.

I don't know why you think he's a creative scorer.  About 95 percent of his points come from simple bank shots from 2 feet away or spot up jumpers.

He's a 6'7 SF with below-average athleticism and length who almost never dribbles the ball in a game.  His outside shot gives him a chance of being a role player but he profiles very weakly as a potential starting SF.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Galeto on February 27, 2013, 11:33:41 AM
Compare McDermott to someone like Sam Dekker of Wisconsin.  Dekker isn't in the conversation for National Player of the Year honors like McDermott but I'd say he has a much higher NBA ceiling because his skill level and body type match up and he's more athletic. He can drive to the rim with the kind of body movement that wing players typically do, he handles the ball once in a while and he can run the wing on a fastbreak.  Dekker's not a great NBA prospect either, although he may develop into a very good one in time but he does more small forwardish things than McDermott does. 
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 27, 2013, 12:27:19 PM
No guarantees can be made. About anyone.

And I don't see this guy as special. But prove me wrong, Doug!

I'm on board with you, man.

I don't see anything special as well outside of his length and shooting. If utilized correctly, he'll be a perfect sniper in the NBA. But I have to see more, mostly in the Tournament, see if he's starter quality talent. See if he can hang around with guys his size and more athletic and still be productive.

Prove US wrong, Doug.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Chris on February 27, 2013, 12:48:12 PM
I have only seen the highlights, but he looks like a tweener to me.  That is going to really hold him back.  Not quick enough to play SF and not big enough for PF. 
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on February 27, 2013, 06:48:18 PM
I have only seen the highlights, but he looks like a tweener to me.  That is going to really hold him back.  Not quick enough to play SF and not big enough for PF.

isn't that what they said about bird? nowitzki?

Or Sabonis was too slow or injured to be a good center?
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on February 27, 2013, 07:03:36 PM
There are two kinds of sf's in the league.

SG/SF like a Rudy Gay, Kevin Durant

or

Pf/SF like a Metta World Peace, Andrei Kirilenko

There is no reason Mcdermott won't be an effective sf, bc he is not more like a Rudy Gay with nice handles and quickness. Instead he will make it , by getting you some extra rebounds, post points and tip ins.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 27, 2013, 08:17:15 PM
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isn't that what they said about bird? nowitzki?

No, Dirk is almost 7 foot and Larry was a 6'9" SF no one called them tweeners.  People did say they were slow, white and can't jump though but never a tweener.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Galeto on February 27, 2013, 09:25:12 PM
I have only seen the highlights, but he looks like a tweener to me.  That is going to really hold him back.  Not quick enough to play SF and not big enough for PF.

isn't that what they said about bird? nowitzki?

Or Sabonis was too slow or injured to be a good center?

McDermott doesn't have Nowitzki or Bird's size or skill level.  They also said Adam was too slow and unathletic to make and they were right.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on February 27, 2013, 10:27:49 PM
I have only seen the highlights, but he looks like a tweener to me.  That is going to really hold him back.  Not quick enough to play SF and not big enough for PF.

isn't that what they said about bird? nowitzki?

Or Sabonis was too slow or injured to be a good center?

McDermott doesn't have Nowitzki or Bird's size or skill level.  They also said Adam was too slow and unathletic to make and they were right.

how do you know this?? Nobody knew Bird was going to be good even after college until he showed everyone in the nba , the same domination. I understand skepticism that these type of "white" players are once in a lifetime kind of players.

I never once thought this about luke babbitt nor adam morrison. Morrison runs like he has a gimp leg. And the only thing he can basically do well is shoot, and in the nba if he is wide open.  Mcdermott i agree has no business what he is doing in college, but the bottom line is he does it. Results after results and all of a sudden in the nba he is going to tank??

I personally hope he stops playing now or misses the rest of the year with a minor injury bc the more he keeps producing the more he is going to climb past where we could pick him up.

Watch this clip. How are you going to stop a guy who in matter of milliseconds just shoots jumpers over you even though your pressed up in his face?? And if you press up too hard will drive with either hand and finish around the basket with accuracy. Plus if he can develop a dribble and pull up jumper on top of his deadly 3 point shooting, it will be a nightmare for whoever defends him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIhMoOHpvRg

I know defense is going to be his weakest link. He might have to cheat the drive in the nba against sf's, or figure something else out. I wouldn't worry bc he will work his butt off anyways.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Fafnir on February 28, 2013, 09:14:46 AM
Bird was a great offensive facilitator both out of the post and off the bounce. He was also an elite team defender even though individually he wasn't a good one on one guy.

Those attributes combined with his size make him entirely different from McDermott. Did Larry Bird ever find it impossible to get open to get the ball late in close Missouri Valley conference games? Because Doug has had massive issues even getting shots off in many of their loses.

I mean I guess he could be a Vladmir Radmonivic type, but again he's smaller so it'll be harder for him.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on February 28, 2013, 07:38:57 PM
Bird was a great offensive facilitator both out of the post and off the bounce. He was also an elite team defender even though individually he wasn't a good one on one guy.

Those attributes combined with his size make him entirely different from McDermott. Did Larry Bird ever find it impossible to get open to get the ball late in close Missouri Valley conference games? Because Doug has had massive issues even getting shots off in many of their loses.

I mean I guess he could be a Vladmir Radmonivic type, but again he's smaller so it'll be harder for him.

And how many loses is this?? like 10 compared to 30 plus wins. In more than like 70 percent of the 30 wins, Mcdermott has been the reason the team has won. You are close or down in the 4th? No problem, just give to mcdermott and he will go to work

Radmonivic? are you kidding me? That guy had weak post capabilities and isn't half the player Mcdermott is.

Mcdermott is a player that gets drafted by the celts or not , a player i will root for.  Just really like his game and imo will translate well in the nba. And worse case if some parts of his current game don't work in the nba, he will figure out a way to produce results.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Fafnir on February 28, 2013, 08:14:24 PM
Bird was a great offensive facilitator both out of the post and off the bounce. He was also an elite team defender even though individually he wasn't a good one on one guy.

Those attributes combined with his size make him entirely different from McDermott. Did Larry Bird ever find it impossible to get open to get the ball late in close Missouri Valley conference games? Because Doug has had massive issues even getting shots off in many of their loses.

I mean I guess he could be a Vladmir Radmonivic type, but again he's smaller so it'll be harder for him.
No problem, just give to mcdermott and he will go to work

Have you watched them in the MVC? They can't get him the ball far too often, and he can't go get it himself either.

When they've lost games he's had a handful of shots for the entirety of crunch time (last fourth of the game). If you're going to be a great offensive player you have to be able to go get the ball!

Now when he's just a rotation guy rather than the star that'll be less important, but it still doesn't bode well for his pro prospects.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on February 28, 2013, 09:36:17 PM
Bird was a great offensive facilitator both out of the post and off the bounce. He was also an elite team defender even though individually he wasn't a good one on one guy.

Those attributes combined with his size make him entirely different from McDermott. Did Larry Bird ever find it impossible to get open to get the ball late in close Missouri Valley conference games? Because Doug has had massive issues even getting shots off in many of their loses.

I mean I guess he could be a Vladmir Radmonivic type, but again he's smaller so it'll be harder for him.
No problem, just give to mcdermott and he will go to work

Have you watched them in the MVC? They can't get him the ball far too often, and he can't go get it himself either.

When they've lost games he's had a handful of shots for the entirety of crunch time (last fourth of the game). If you're going to be a great offensive player you have to be able to go get the ball!

Now when he's just a rotation guy rather than the star that'll be less important, but it still doesn't bode well for his pro prospects.

The team is full of mediocre players. I see enough times on the court where Mcdermott runs around like a headless chicken putting his hands out for the ball. But the entry pass is not made bc his teammates are not skilled enough in passing, scoring demanding some attention etc.

this year Mcdermott has changed the game plan by making that extra pass for easy shots making a few of his players look like stars. That way he gets more breathing space.

I agree that if he is not the top guy in his team in the nba it will be easier for him to do his job. Mcdermott at worse will be a Matt Hapring in the nba.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 02, 2013, 02:19:06 PM
Watching him against Wichita State right now at ESPN2.

He's starting HOT. And I notice the great footwork he has on the down low. He likes going to the post. I don't think he'll be able to do that in the NBA level though.

Saw him hustle on defense after committing a TO. Guess he's not a one dimensional player. 
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: CoachBo on March 02, 2013, 04:11:37 PM
He just went Larry Bird on a good Wichita State defense.

LOL at anyone who thinks McDermott can't play in the association.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Galeto on March 03, 2013, 10:49:06 AM
He just went Larry Bird on a good Wichita State defense.

LOL at anyone who thinks McDermott can't play in the association.

You're LOLing at ghosts.  I think most people feel McDermott's shooting gives him a chance to carve out a role in the NBA but you peg him as a very good to star player.  I think that is highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on March 03, 2013, 11:45:56 AM
He just went Larry Bird on a good Wichita State defense.

LOL at anyone who thinks McDermott can't play in the association.

You're LOLing at ghosts.  I think most people feel McDermott's shooting gives him a chance to carve out a role in the NBA but you peg him as a very good to star player.  I think that is highly unlikely.

let me ask you something, has there been anyone who has gone haywire on Mcdermott yet?

Last year vs UNC, while Henson did have a couple of blocks on him, its not like he scored 40 points against a so called bad defender. Henson went like 5-13 , Macadoo stats not even worth while mentioning, while Mcdermott went 9-18 against these so called high calibre nba prospects.

What about paul pierce?? many don't even think he can defend, for his body type and age. But due to his iq and other intangibles he gets it done on both ends of the court. And i highly doubt a Mcdermott right now is more physically incapable of a much older pierce today.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: MBz on March 04, 2013, 12:27:22 PM
I love McDermott, but his ceiling is probably as a 6th/7th man.  Very talented, but just not athletic enough to hang with the all-stars.  He'll be better then say a Kyle Korver because he does have some inside game, but he prob will just end up as a scorer off the bench in the NBA.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: slamtheking on March 04, 2013, 08:24:39 PM
didn't see anything overly amazing in the clip.  kid hit a lot of close up shots off nice passes. 

anyone else thinking he's more likely to be the next Adam Morrison than the next Dirk Nowitzki?
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on March 10, 2013, 04:07:18 PM
The celtics need someone like mcdermott badly on the team right now. His avg defense won't be a liability on a team defense first celtics team.

But could use a guy like mcdermott on the offensive end, bc he can post and also shoot the three. 
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: lightspeed5 on March 10, 2013, 04:10:05 PM
he's the next adam morrison
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on March 10, 2013, 04:19:26 PM
he's the next adam morrison

Mcdermott >>> Morrison. Mcdermott is a better shooter (morrisons bread and butter), no comparison in post play, better rebounder, better defender as he doesn't have a gimp leg. The shooting alone make Mcdermott better than Morrison
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 11, 2013, 06:31:16 PM
He just went Larry Bird on a good Wichita State defense.

LOL at anyone who thinks McDermott can't play in the association.

You're LOLing at ghosts.  I think most people feel McDermott's shooting gives him a chance to carve out a role in the NBA but you peg him as a very good to star player.  I think that is highly unlikely.

let me ask you something, has there been anyone who has gone haywire on Mcdermott yet?

Last year vs UNC, while Henson did have a couple of blocks on him, its not like he scored 40 points against a so called bad defender. Henson went like 5-13 , Macadoo stats not even worth while mentioning, while Mcdermott went 9-18 against these so called high calibre nba prospects.

What about paul pierce?? many don't even think he can defend, for his body type and age. But due to his iq and other intangibles he gets it done on both ends of the court. And i highly doubt a Mcdermott right now is more physically incapable of a much older pierce today.

Are you kidding?! Pierce was the twelfth best player in the NBA Eastern Conference. How much are you under rating him? What a joke!
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on March 11, 2013, 06:39:01 PM
He just went Larry Bird on a good Wichita State defense.

LOL at anyone who thinks McDermott can't play in the association.

You're LOLing at ghosts.  I think most people feel McDermott's shooting gives him a chance to carve out a role in the NBA but you peg him as a very good to star player.  I think that is highly unlikely.

let me ask you something, has there been anyone who has gone haywire on Mcdermott yet?

Last year vs UNC, while Henson did have a couple of blocks on him, its not like he scored 40 points against a so called bad defender. Henson went like 5-13 , Macadoo stats not even worth while mentioning, while Mcdermott went 9-18 against these so called high calibre nba prospects.

What about paul pierce?? many don't even think he can defend, for his body type and age. But due to his iq and other intangibles he gets it done on both ends of the court. And i highly doubt a Mcdermott right now is more physically incapable of a much older pierce today.

Are you kidding?! Pierce was the twelfth best player in the NBA Eastern Conference. How much are you under rating him? What a joke!

why can't you read it the way i wanted to convey the message instead of seeing Paul Pierce and Mcdermott name together and freaking out right away.

AGAIN my point was , Paul Pierce is a 6'6 sf (a inch or two short for a sf in the nba), not that athletic nor quick, but gets the job done on both ends of the court using his smarts , hard work and skills. Mcdermott much like pierce doesn't have a great "NBA" body. Sully doesn't have the a great "NBA" body. You just got to comprehend some players just know how to ball regardless
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 11, 2013, 06:42:23 PM
He just went Larry Bird on a good Wichita State defense.

LOL at anyone who thinks McDermott can't play in the association.

You're LOLing at ghosts.  I think most people feel McDermott's shooting gives him a chance to carve out a role in the NBA but you peg him as a very good to star player.  I think that is highly unlikely.

let me ask you something, has there been anyone who has gone haywire on Mcdermott yet?

Last year vs UNC, while Henson did have a couple of blocks on him, its not like he scored 40 points against a so called bad defender. Henson went like 5-13 , Macadoo stats not even worth while mentioning, while Mcdermott went 9-18 against these so called high calibre nba prospects.

What about paul pierce?? many don't even think he can defend, for his body type and age. But due to his iq and other intangibles he gets it done on both ends of the court. And i highly doubt a Mcdermott right now is more physically incapable of a much older pierce today.

Are you kidding?! Pierce was the twelfth best player in the NBA Eastern Conference. How much are you under rating him? What a joke!

why can't you read it the way i wanted to convey the message instead of seeing Paul Pierce and Mcdermott name together and freaking out right away.

AGAIN my point was , Paul Pierce is a 6'6 sf (a inch or two short for a sf in the nba), not that athletic nor quick, but gets the job done on both ends of the court using his smarts , hard work and skills. Mcdermott much like pierce doesn't have a great "NBA" body. Sully doesn't have the a great "NBA" body. You just got to comprehend some players just know how to ball

Pierce may seem unathletic and slow, but that's just in our eyes. Simply untrue. He is leaps and bounds more fit than any and all college players, even given his age. And then we can speak of his BBIQ and all the other things he does well. McDermott can not possibly be compared. I don't have a great NBA body, can I make it into the league?
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on March 11, 2013, 06:47:55 PM
He just went Larry Bird on a good Wichita State defense.

LOL at anyone who thinks McDermott can't play in the association.

You're LOLing at ghosts.  I think most people feel McDermott's shooting gives him a chance to carve out a role in the NBA but you peg him as a very good to star player.  I think that is highly unlikely.

let me ask you something, has there been anyone who has gone haywire on Mcdermott yet?

Last year vs UNC, while Henson did have a couple of blocks on him, its not like he scored 40 points against a so called bad defender. Henson went like 5-13 , Macadoo stats not even worth while mentioning, while Mcdermott went 9-18 against these so called high calibre nba prospects.

What about paul pierce?? many don't even think he can defend, for his body type and age. But due to his iq and other intangibles he gets it done on both ends of the court. And i highly doubt a Mcdermott right now is more physically incapable of a much older pierce today.

Are you kidding?! Pierce was the twelfth best player in the NBA Eastern Conference. How much are you under rating him? What a joke!

why can't you read it the way i wanted to convey the message instead of seeing Paul Pierce and Mcdermott name together and freaking out right away.

AGAIN my point was , Paul Pierce is a 6'6 sf (a inch or two short for a sf in the nba), not that athletic nor quick, but gets the job done on both ends of the court using his smarts , hard work and skills. Mcdermott much like pierce doesn't have a great "NBA" body. Sully doesn't have the a great "NBA" body. You just got to comprehend some players just know how to ball

Pierce may seem unathletic and slow, but that's just in our eyes. Simply untrue. He is leaps and bounds more fit than any and all college players, even given his age. And then we can speak of his BBIQ and all the other things he does well. McDermott can not possibly be compared. I don't have a great NBA body, can I make it into the league?

no. by the way you tend to freak out so easily.

BTW if you hear almost every commentator/announcer they say Paul Pierce is one of those  "ugly body", nonathletic , guys that is crafty on the court and has used his creativity , smarts to get the job done for so long.  And its true.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on March 22, 2013, 09:33:10 PM
nice performance today. Was the go to guy on offense. I think he had like 27 pts and 10 rebounds.

But the more he keeps going the more we may not even have a chance to draf thim
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: lightspeed5 on March 22, 2013, 11:10:06 PM
his draft stock skyrocketed. he's projected to be picked  1 spot above us as of now.
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Atzar on March 22, 2013, 11:45:15 PM
I'm starting to warm up to this kid.  I normally want my prospects to have the potential to excel on both ends of the floor, but McDermott may be useful enough on offense that you can afford to give a little back on defense. 

He's always moving, he has a quick release on a jumper that he can hit from anywhere, and he's crafty around the basket.  He sometimes struggles to get the ball, but in the NBA he'll have the advantage of having much better teammates who demand more attention and will be able to make that pass to get the ball into his hands.  There will probably be an adjustment period as he struggles to acclimate to NBA-level length and athleticism, but I'm starting to believe he can make that adjustment.

Looking forward to seeing how he handles Duke. 
Title: Re: Doug McDermott
Post by: Tr1boy on March 23, 2013, 01:50:56 AM
I'm starting to warm up to this kid.  I normally want my prospects to have the potential to excel on both ends of the floor, but McDermott may be useful enough on offense that you can afford to give a little back on defense. 

He's always moving, he has a quick release on a jumper that he can hit from anywhere, and he's crafty around the basket.  He sometimes struggles to get the ball, but in the NBA he'll have the advantage of having much better teammates who demand more attention and will be able to make that pass to get the ball into his hands.  There will probably be an adjustment period as he struggles to acclimate to NBA-level length and athleticism, but I'm starting to believe he can make that adjustment.

Looking forward to seeing how he handles Duke.

Yeah it will be quite a test , especially facing Plumlee in the interior. If Mcdermott has an o/s performance regardless if creighton wins, prob best that he declares. He could be chosen late lottery and worse case by the 20's.