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Title: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: eja117 on January 29, 2013, 05:46:16 PM
In order to get citizenship in another country? I'm just curious how this goes and the pros and cons. Obviously I have some research to do.
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 05:48:18 PM
In order to get citizenship in another country? I'm just curious how this goes and the pros and cons. Obviously I have some research to do.

From which country to which other country?
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: eja117 on January 29, 2013, 05:56:28 PM
In order to get citizenship in another country? I'm just curious how this goes and the pros and cons. Obviously I have some research to do.

From which country to which other country?
From the US to a Euro country. I guess they all have different requirements, right?
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: eja117 on January 29, 2013, 06:12:43 PM
Or to put this differently was this process easy, very hard, or in between?
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 29, 2013, 06:31:42 PM
I don't know anything about the process, but is dual citizenship not a possibility?  Or is renouncing American citizenship the main point of this?
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: eja117 on January 29, 2013, 06:35:06 PM
My understanding is that as of now dual isn't possible. I think there's a decent chance that at some point it will be. But part of me wonders if it doesn't change and I do that would I forfeit all my social security yadda yadda? Stuff like that. Granted social security won't be there for me, or it'll be worth a buck fiddy but that's not my point. I don't care that much about not voting here. I wonder if that would theoretically mean I have to leave the country. Etc
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on January 29, 2013, 06:40:50 PM
Indeed i have. I was getting sick of paying so many taxes on the millions i've been raking in lately.


She copied me for the record...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268405/Tina-Turner-renounces-American-citizenship-Swiss.html





Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: Bombastic Jones on January 29, 2013, 06:46:06 PM
my understanding is that you can have dual citizenship.  a lot depends on your circumstances. the state department link below 'explains' renouncing citizenship is simply a matter of filling out a form at a US embassy abroad.

some links:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html (http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html)
http://eudo-citizenship.eu/country-profiles (http://eudo-citizenship.eu/country-profiles)
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: mgent on January 29, 2013, 07:08:28 PM
my understanding is that you can have dual citizenship.  a lot depends on your circumstances. the state department link below 'explains' renouncing citizenship is simply a matter of filling out a form at a US embassy abroad.

some links:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html (http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html)
http://eudo-citizenship.eu/country-profiles (http://eudo-citizenship.eu/country-profiles)
I don't see why it wouldn't be possible.  Didn't Becky Hammon get dual citizenship with Russia?  I thought you had to be living/working in the country to apply for citizenship there though.

I really know nothing about this, sorry.
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: vgulab on January 31, 2013, 03:14:27 PM
In order to get citizenship in another country? I'm just curious how this goes and the pros and cons. Obviously I have some research to do.

From which country to which other country?
From the US to a Euro country. I guess they all have different requirements, right?

Yes they all have different requirements, fox example Germany from what i know it's not possible to have dual citizenship, most EU countries do not allow dual citizenship or have a long list of pre-requirements before allowing dual citizenship. Italy and France are bigger eu countries that allow dual citizenship. I'm from Macedonia, small country in eu. My grandfather imigrated to USA 45 years a go and his wife, born and raised in USA just got Macedonian citizenship, but i guess you don't want macedonian citizenship hahaha. It's a poor country but pretty low taxes :)
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: 4THQTR on January 31, 2013, 03:27:29 PM
In order to get citizenship in another country? I'm just curious how this goes and the pros and cons. Obviously I have some research to do.

From which country to which other country?
From the US to a Euro country. I guess they all have different requirements, right?

Yes they all have different requirements, fox example Germany from what i know it's not possible to have dual citizenship, most EU countries do not allow dual citizenship or have a long list of pre-requirements before allowing dual citizenship. Italy and France are bigger eu countries that allow dual citizenship. I'm from Macedonia, small country in eu. My grandfather imigrated to USA 45 years a go and his wife, born and raised in USA just got Macedonian citizenship, but i guess you don't want macedonian citizenship hahaha. It's a poor country but pretty low taxes :)


I know quite a bunch of germans who have dual cituzenship, so that's not really true... But yes, there are some prerequirements. Most of them are country specific I believe, so it'll require some research.

The only guys I know that have renounced US citizenship are people who haven't grown up in the US and felt the negatives of keeping citizenship largely outweigh the positives.
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: Moranis on January 31, 2013, 03:38:32 PM
It depends on the country you want to get dual with.  The U.S. is ok with dual citizenship so you could do both from that end, so it would depend on the rules of the other country.
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: D.o.s. on January 31, 2013, 03:49:29 PM
My understanding is that as of now dual isn't possible. I think there's a decent chance that at some point it will be. But part of me wonders if it doesn't change and I do that would I forfeit all my social security yadda yadda? Stuff like that. Granted social security won't be there for me, or it'll be worth a buck fiddy but that's not my point. I don't care that much about not voting here. I wonder if that would theoretically mean I have to leave the country. Etc

getting a dual citizenship is possible if you're born with it--I should know, I've got one. Beyond that it gets much, much harder, because gaining citizenship in an EU country (which is what I assume you meant by a Euro country) is not easy, much like gaining citizenship over here.

Now, I know when my Mom got her US citizenship, she had to renounce her previous one, but that was a decade+ ago and she was already here with my Dad--who was born here.

Just keep your head up and know it's going to probably be a long and arduous process.

And be careful, you might just end up a socialist! ;D
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: ACF on January 31, 2013, 04:49:23 PM

If you're really good at sports, eja, we'll take you.

Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 31, 2013, 04:51:38 PM
Are you trying to help the Raptors with their Haddadi problem?
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: vgulab on January 31, 2013, 07:14:45 PM
In order to get citizenship in another country? I'm just curious how this goes and the pros and cons. Obviously I have some research to do.

From which country to which other country?
From the US to a Euro country. I guess they all have different requirements, right?

Yes they all have different requirements, fox example Germany from what i know it's not possible to have dual citizenship, most EU countries do not allow dual citizenship or have a long list of pre-requirements before allowing dual citizenship. Italy and France are bigger eu countries that allow dual citizenship. I'm from Macedonia, small country in eu. My grandfather imigrated to USA 45 years a go and his wife, born and raised in USA just got Macedonian citizenship, but i guess you don't want macedonian citizenship hahaha. It's a poor country but pretty low taxes :)


I know quite a bunch of germans who have dual cituzenship, so that's not really true... But yes, there are some prerequirements. Most of them are country specific I believe, so it'll require some research.

The only guys I know that have renounced US citizenship are people who haven't grown up in the US and felt the negatives of keeping citizenship largely outweigh the positives.

i was wrong, you can have a dual citizenship if german passport is your second but not the other way. German citizenship is automatically lost when a German citizen voluntarily acquires the citizenship of another country
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: Kuberski1 on January 31, 2013, 07:33:15 PM
I've been overseas for 25 years now...and counting.

Personally, would not want to renounce my US citizenship...though not sure I'll ever come back, I do want the option.  A number of countries do offer dual citizenship, and/or ways to become a long-term resident, which is the option I prefer.

Good luck with this...
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 31, 2013, 08:05:50 PM
Make sure you speak the langauge.  Rosetta Stone for the win.
Title: Re: Anyone here ever renounce citizenship before?
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 31, 2013, 08:10:29 PM
Make sure you speak the langauge.  Rosetta Stone for the win.

More like ftl.