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Title: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: JSD on January 29, 2013, 02:19:13 AM
I would say no. But I believe it's the only way of landing Lowry.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: bfrombleacher on January 29, 2013, 02:21:11 AM
Merely a first for Kyle Lowry?

Hell yeah!

If you're implying that Lowry could be got for a first round pick(s), Bass and firsts for Lowry.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: lightspeed5 on January 29, 2013, 02:24:41 AM
next years 1st rounder, we can possibly get  Trey Burke, James Mcadoo, or Tim Hardaway Jr.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: chambers on January 29, 2013, 03:34:48 AM
Erm, he has a PER of 21.5, and the raptors gave up a lottery pick for him. If u want a rental pg the raps will give us calderon for bass and Lee. To get lowry u gotta give up at least sully or.bradley plus lee or bass or terry
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 29, 2013, 03:59:02 AM
Lowry has been riding the pine for the last few weeks because Jose has been outplaying him. Wouldnt be surprised if we tried a bass barbossa + first rounder for Lowry and a big 
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: bfrombleacher on January 29, 2013, 04:06:08 AM
Lowry has been riding the pine for the last few weeks because Jose has been outplaying him. Wouldnt be surprised if we tried a bass barbossa + first rounder for Lowry and a big

Nooooo not Bosa!!!

Man, I love our guard rotation.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 29, 2013, 04:10:53 AM
That's all it would take? I say heck yeah.

I doubt that THAT it all the Raps are going to ask though.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Smutzy#9 on January 29, 2013, 04:28:02 AM
Lowry has been riding the pine for the last few weeks because Jose has been outplaying him. Wouldnt be surprised if we tried a bass barbossa + first rounder for Lowry and a big

Nooooo not Bosa!!!

Man, I love our guard rotation.

Either way i can see the black pearl getting 15 mins at either team.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Eddie20 on January 29, 2013, 05:23:59 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bbw9oum

I would love something like this:

Boston-

Gortat
Lowry

Toronto-

Bass (especially if they trade Ed Davis and/or Bargnani)
2013 1st Rd Pick

Phoenix-

Terry
Melo
2013 2nd Rd Pick
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Rtpas11 on January 29, 2013, 05:47:19 AM
Yes! Lowry is only 26 yrs. old in the 2010-2011 season he played many games almost avg. a triple double. He was the starter for Houston. He was also a combo guard alongside Gragic. He's now a combo guard slash point for Toronto alongside Calderon. He's a bonafide starter who deserves to be on a team that needs a starting point like the Celtics. When Rondo comes back we could actually utilize the 2 as a combo at times or if he shows to be a much better fit, we can trade Rondo without fear... I'm All For It! It Will Happen!
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: crimson_stallion on January 29, 2013, 06:55:46 AM
No brainer i.e. yes!
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Fafnir on January 29, 2013, 07:26:52 AM
No I want the Cs to keep their picks.

Too big a risk Lowry can't be flipped next year or he plays out his deal and walks.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Eja117 on January 29, 2013, 07:45:37 AM
No brainer i.e. yes!
this.

Tim Hardaway Jr can't help us much this year, and likely wouldn't help us next year either
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: PhoSita on January 29, 2013, 07:47:36 AM
No I want the Cs to keep their picks.

Too big a risk Lowry can't be flipped next year or he plays out his deal and walks.

Agreed, even in a weak draft I want the Celtics to keep their picks.  We might be a lottery team, and in that case you don't want to give up that pick until you know where it's going to fall.  Who knows?  Maybe God loves us and we get Shabazz Mohammed.

Plus, I think this is a false premise; no way the Raps give up Lowry for a 1st and one of our bad contracts.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: bowlingwarnie on January 29, 2013, 07:48:20 AM
Yes! Lowry is only 26 yrs. old in the 2010-2011 season he played many games almost avg. a triple double. He was the starter for Houston. He was also a combo guard alongside Gragic. He's now a combo guard slash point for Toronto alongside Calderon. He's a bonafide starter who deserves to be on a team that needs a starting point like the Celtics. When Rondo comes back we could actually utilize the 2 as a combo at times or if he shows to be a much better fit, we can trade Rondo without fear... I'm All For It! It Will Happen!

All of this...
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 29, 2013, 08:11:46 AM
Yeah I do that in a second and then flip him during training camp. For that price he'd be a good fill in for the rest of the year and good trade bait once rondo comes back.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: PhoSita on January 29, 2013, 08:13:08 AM
Yeah I do that in a second and then flip him during training camp. For that price he'd be a good fill in for the rest of the year and good trade bait once rondo comes back.

I think he's an expiring deal, so we'd have to pay him.  Plus, there's a reason he's available at all after the Raps gave up a fair amount to get him.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: slamtheking on January 29, 2013, 08:21:20 AM
C's can't give up just a pick for him.  Would need to send out a player.  If it's Bass or JET for Lowry, do it.  would hold on to Lee and any 1st round picks.  I'm just not enamored with Lowry as many others here seem to be.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: scaryjerry on January 29, 2013, 08:25:36 AM
Nope...pointless
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: celticslove on January 29, 2013, 08:33:29 AM
if the raps GM is dumb enough to do this then hell yeah!
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: StartOrien on January 29, 2013, 09:06:20 AM
Yes, cuz the price is so low.

But I think there is something to be said about the fact that his team's just want him gone. He played really well for the Rockets and they didn't even entertain the thought of his return to Houston. The Raptors traded for him, have him under a great contract and don't seem to want to keep him.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: ssspence on January 29, 2013, 09:22:46 AM
I'd be tempted to trade a 1st in this year's draft for:

1) Getting a contract that only has $1 guaranteed next season (i.e. NOT an expiring deal, but one that could be traded before the draft / over the summer);

and;

2) The ability to get out from under the contract of one of Bass, Terry or Lee (in that order).

That Kyle Lowry's attached to that non-guaranteed contract is a plus, but I care more about the above.

So count me as a 'yes'.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: ssspence on January 29, 2013, 09:26:29 AM
No I want the Cs to keep their picks.

Too big a risk Lowry can't be flipped next year or he plays out his deal and walks.

I think this misunderstands Lowry's deal. Only $1mil of his salary is guaranteed next season (i believe):

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/raptors.jsp

....which makes him a nice asset. My point -- per the post above -- would you rather have a 1st in a weak draft, or years of Bass or Terry or Lee cap hold while we rebuild?
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Cman on January 29, 2013, 09:34:28 AM
The question as posed is really a no brainer.
A 2013 1st round pick + Bass for Kyle Lowry.
Who in their right mind wouldn't do that trade?

I'll tell you who: the Raptors.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Chris on January 29, 2013, 09:36:03 AM
It is going to take significantly more than a first round pick to get Lowry IMO. 
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Fafnir on January 29, 2013, 09:38:27 AM
No I want the Cs to keep their picks.

Too big a risk Lowry can't be flipped next year or he plays out his deal and walks.

I think this misunderstands Lowry's deal. Only $1mil of his salary is guaranteed next season (i believe):

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/raptors.jsp

....which makes him a nice asset. My point -- per the post above -- would you rather have a 1st in a weak draft, or years of Bass or Terry or Lee cap hold while we rebuild?
I don't misunderstand, I worry that we'd be unable to find a deal that'll give us back another young asset for Lowry. Cutting him for only the $1 million wouldn't get us cap space and thus is a non-starter, better to let him play out on the team.

If he did play out the next season he'd walk and sign with another team given that we have Rondo as a starter. (you could also explore moving Rondo but that'd be hard has heck with his injury timetable and I dislike trading the better player)
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: ssspence on January 29, 2013, 09:39:30 AM
It is going to take significantly more than a first round pick to get Lowry IMO.
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Toronto traded a lottery pick for him. We'd be returning that, or worst case, a 1st in the late teens.

But I agree with you when one considers what we'd be returning (Bass, Terry, Lee). Which is why I'd imagine Danny will look to prey on TOR's eagerness to land Gay and get involved there. 
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Fafnir on January 29, 2013, 09:39:31 AM
It is going to take significantly more than a first round pick to get Lowry IMO.
That's what the Raptors gave up, though the had the weird mid lottery protections involved with it.

So if we did give up a pick they'd demand it be unprotected, which even in a weak draft is something I wouldn't do as the C's. Too great a chance of a second injury thrusting us into the lottery.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: snowball on January 29, 2013, 09:43:09 AM
No, No, and No.

We need our top draft pick.
We have guards who can play point.
Lowry may not gel with the starting unit.
Rondo will be back next season anyway.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: ssspence on January 29, 2013, 09:43:43 AM
No I want the Cs to keep their picks.

Too big a risk Lowry can't be flipped next year or he plays out his deal and walks.

I think this misunderstands Lowry's deal. Only $1mil of his salary is guaranteed next season (i believe):

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/raptors.jsp

....which makes him a nice asset. My point -- per the post above -- would you rather have a 1st in a weak draft, or years of Bass or Terry or Lee cap hold while we rebuild?
I don't misunderstand, I worry that we'd be unable to find a deal that'll give us back another young asset for Lowry. Cutting him for only the $1 million wouldn't get us cap space and thus is a non-starter, better to let him play out on the team.

If he did play out the next season he'd walk and sign with another team given that we have Rondo as a starter. (you could also explore moving Rondo but that'd be hard has heck with his injury timetable and I dislike trading the better player)

Disagree. Excellent chance PP and KG are not playing in Boston next season. If so, Cs cap situation begins to change quickly. I'd trade a mid-to-late 1st in a weak draft for relief from 2-3 years of $5-6mil per for a marginal player under these circumstances.

It's also my belief that mid-to-late 1sts will be for sale in this year's draft from at least a couple of teams.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 29, 2013, 09:45:24 AM
Yeah I do that in a second and then flip him during training camp. For that price he'd be a good fill in for the rest of the year and good trade bait once rondo comes back.

I think he's an expiring deal, so we'd have to pay him.  Plus, there's a reason he's available at all after the Raps gave up a fair amount to get him.

Its not an expiring but its a 1 mil guaranteed deal. He has some sort of option I assume? Is this correct, anyone confirm that?
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: ssspence on January 29, 2013, 09:51:29 AM
Yeah I do that in a second and then flip him during training camp. For that price he'd be a good fill in for the rest of the year and good trade bait once rondo comes back.

I think he's an expiring deal, so we'd have to pay him.  Plus, there's a reason he's available at all after the Raps gave up a fair amount to get him.

Its not an expiring but its a 1 mil guaranteed deal. He has some sort of option I assume? Is this correct, anyone confirm that?

His deal is unguaranteed next year. The team who holds his rights can cut him at the cost of $1mil, or trade him to a team that wants to do the same.

They (or the team they trade him to) can also keep him for ~$6mil.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Chris on January 29, 2013, 09:55:17 AM
Yeah I do that in a second and then flip him during training camp. For that price he'd be a good fill in for the rest of the year and good trade bait once rondo comes back.

I think he's an expiring deal, so we'd have to pay him.  Plus, there's a reason he's available at all after the Raps gave up a fair amount to get him.

Its not an expiring but its a 1 mil guaranteed deal. He has some sort of option I assume? Is this correct, anyone confirm that?

His deal is unguaranteed next year. The team who holds his rights can cut him at the cost of $1mil, or trade him to a team that wants to do the same.

They (or the team they trade him to) can also keep him for ~$6mil.

Right, but he has to be cut by July 15th I believe, or else the contract is fully guaranteed for next year.  So the only time you could really trade him would be on draft day.  But it would be a very valuable asset.  Which is another reason (beyond the fact that he is a good player), there is no chance Toronto is trading him for a mid first rounder right now.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: ssspence on January 29, 2013, 09:59:04 AM
Yeah I do that in a second and then flip him during training camp. For that price he'd be a good fill in for the rest of the year and good trade bait once rondo comes back.

I think he's an expiring deal, so we'd have to pay him.  Plus, there's a reason he's available at all after the Raps gave up a fair amount to get him.

Its not an expiring but its a 1 mil guaranteed deal. He has some sort of option I assume? Is this correct, anyone confirm that?

His deal is unguaranteed next year. The team who holds his rights can cut him at the cost of $1mil, or trade him to a team that wants to do the same.

They (or the team they trade him to) can also keep him for ~$6mil.

Right, but he has to be cut by July 15th I believe, or else the contract is fully guaranteed for next year.  So the only time you could really trade him would be on draft day.  But it would be a very valuable asset.  Which is another reason (beyond the fact that he is a good player), there is no chance Toronto is trading him for a mid first rounder right now.

I agree, Chris. But would they trade Davis, Calderon and Lowry for Gay? Colangelo has had a long leash there, but it's getting shorter. They need to get relevant, fast.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Roy H. on January 29, 2013, 10:02:31 AM
I would.  Potential malcontent or not, he's an excellent two-way PG who is worth at least as much as a mid-round first.
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: albas89 on January 29, 2013, 10:21:11 AM
I'd do that in a millisecond!!

I'm pretty sure Lowry is a much much better player than we give him credit for. The guy's a great defender, decent outside shooter and a great rebounder for his height! Raptors don't really know what they're doing... they're keeping Calderon, who has been basically the same player for the last 6-7 years, and credit him for the team's resurgence, while it's other players stepping up that has made the difference... Lowry's contract looks great as well, and tbh, I don't think that there's any other starting caliber point guard available at this time of the year.

A lot of people in here are just tricked into believing we don't need a true PG after we beat the Heat without Rajon. Well, it was just a game... you can't make it through half a season without 1 single true PG in your team. If the Raptors are dumb enough to accept a deal involving Bass/Terry/Barbosa + 1st rounder, it's a no brainer for me...
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: albas89 on January 30, 2013, 07:16:42 PM
So, I guess, no more Lowry coming to Boston trade rumors... :-[
Title: Re: 1st rounder for Lowry? (Poll)
Post by: Birdman on January 30, 2013, 07:24:06 PM
Calderon to Detroit so theres go Lowry...he is Toronto only PG now and should do great now