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The Memphis Grizzlies continue to field calls from teams interested in Rudy Gay and are engaged in active trade discussions with the Toronto Raptors, sources with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com.
Although the framework of a workable trade has not yet been established, sources told ESPN.com that Toronto -- known to be perhaps Gay's most determined suitor -- has continued to make a hard push for the swingman.
The Grizzlies, though, maintain that last week's luxury-tax-slashing trade with Cleveland means they no longer feel the same pressure to move Gay or another high-priced player before the NBA's Feb. 21 trade deadline.
New Grizzlies CEO Jason Levien told local reporters late last week that "we really like our team" and that it is "more likely than not that we do nothing" in terms of breaking up Memphis' marquee foursome of Gay, point guard Mike Conley, forward Zach Randolph and center Marc Gasol.
But sources say that the Raptors, undaunted by that stance, continue to pursue Gay and also covet Grizzlies forward Darrell Arthur. Toronto, sources said, has made veteran point guard Jose Calderon and blossoming young forward Ed Davis available as the two cornerstones of its offer.
Other teams remain engaged with the Grizzlies as well, as Memphis officials continue to weigh whether it is best to trade Gay or keep together the core of a team that has ranked among the top four in the Western Conference.
If talks with the Raptors do progress, according to sources, it's possible that a trade with Memphis could expand to include other teams and players. NBA front-office sources have maintained for weeks that Calderon (who has an expiring contract), fellow Raptors point guard Kyle Lowry (only $1 million in guaranteed salary next season) and former No. 1 overall pick Andrea Bargnani all are available.
The Boston Celtics, sources say, are another team that has registered exploratory interest in Gay. But making a trade for Gay would require Boston to part with Paul Pierce -- a step that Celtics management may not be ready to take, especially since Gay has two years left on his contract valued at more than $35 million.
Sources say that the Grizzlies, meanwhile, know Pierce would likely have strong reservations about leaving Boston for Memphis and aren't sure he could address the various priorities they've identified as musts in a Gay trade, such as adding depth and youth to the roster as well as balancing out a top-heavy payroll.
Sources told ESPN.com on Sunday night, in the wake of Rajon Rondo's season-ending knee injury, that Boston was more likely to pursue Lowry and his cap-friendly contract.
ESPN.com reported Friday that there is no shortage of teams convinced that the Grizzlies might still opt to move Gay before the trade deadline, especially in the wake of their recent trade with Cleveland that shed more than $6 million in salary and took the Grizzlies under the luxury-tax threshold.
But Grizzlies coach Lionel Hollins and various players have publicly lobbied for the right to play out this season with no dramatic changes to the roster, now that Memphis will not have a luxury-tax bill at season's end.
Taking the long-term view, however, Memphis' management team under new owner Robert Pera is said to be concerned about its limited ability to keep improving the roster and address obvious concerns regarding the Grizzlies' depth and perimeter shooting. The bulk of Memphis' payroll is tied up in four players: Gay, Conley, Randolph and Gasol.
To convince Cleveland to take back reserves Marreese Speights, Wayne Ellington and Josh Selby in Tuesday's trade, Memphis was forced to surrender a protected future first-round pick.
The Grizzlies, sources said, were concerned about their lack of future first-round picks before that trade and are thus believed to be pursuing picks as part of any in-season deal involving Gay.
The Grizzlies could also elect to resist in-season trades and then try to move Gay or Randolph in connection with the draft in June or during free agency in July.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8891818/rudy-gay-subject-active-trade-discussions-toronto-raptors-memphis-grizzlies-sources
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everyone covets rudy gay
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Raptors have been after Gay for months. Since last season, at least.
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I'm more interested in the fact that sources tell ESPN that the Celts are pursuing Lowry... I mean its guess its common sense if the Raptors want to trade him but what could we offer?
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Why?? They already have two great pieces in Ross and DeRozan. Toronto is nuts.
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Why?? They already have two great pieces in Ross and DeRozan. Toronto is nuts.
does ross or derozan average over 20 ppg?
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Toronto shouldn't pursue Rudy Gay. He is not a guy you can build around.
If you already have a high level star in place, Rudy Gay would make a strong 2nd or 3rd option. The only reason I like the idea of Gay in Boston is because Rondo is already here.
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I'm more interested in the fact that sources tell ESPN that the Celts are pursuing Lowry... I mean its guess its common sense if the Raptors want to trade him but what could we offer?
maybe if Lowry is really a cancer we can get him for cheap? Something like Bass+Lee and Melo for Lowry and a player to match salaries?
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Lol I created a big trade thread earlier about a three way between Boston, Memphis, and Toronto. The pieces are there for deals to get done.
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I can't really see where he would fit in Tor
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Why?? They already have two great pieces in Ross and DeRozan. Toronto is nuts.
does ross or derozan average over 20 ppg?
DeRozan is averaging more points than Gay this season. He also shoots .43 FG%, while Gay has a .40 FG%.
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Think Memphis and Toronto go for this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aet86tb
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Why?? They already have two great pieces in Ross and DeRozan. Toronto is nuts.
does ross or derozan average over 20 ppg?
Does Gay?
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Why?? They already have two great pieces in Ross and DeRozan. Toronto is nuts.
does ross or derozan average over 20 ppg?
Does Gay?
Also, two players are better than one... and cheaper too.
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Why?? They already have two great pieces in Ross and DeRozan. Toronto is nuts.
does ross or derozan average over 20 ppg?
Does Gay?
I was just gonna say that. TP
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This is the most sensible deal I can come up with in the scenario ESPN describes. As they suggest, the Celtics give up a 1st rounder in the deal going to Memphis.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ae5c5k9
I think this is a very fair deal for the Cs, particularly considering it allows them to try to 'win now' but actually gives them Anderson and salary flexibility next year, should they want it. I also think it's interesting for the Griz.
At first glance, I think it looney tunes for TOR. But -- 1) they seem to hate Lowry, 2) they're not going to pay Calderon in the offseason, and 3) Colangalo is desperate to be relevant now in order to keep his job.
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This is the most sensible deal I can come up with in the scenario ESPN describes. As they suggest, the Celtics give up a 1st rounder in the deal going to Memphis.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ae5c5k9
I think this is a very fair deal for the Cs, particularly considering it allows them to try to 'win now' but actually gives them Anderson and salary flexibility next year, should they want it. I also think it's interesting for the Griz.
At first glance, I think it looney tunes for TOR. But -- 1) they seem to hate Lowry, 2) they're not going to pay Calderon in the offseason, and 3) Colangalo is desperate to be relevant now in order to keep his job.
Memphis gets no gay replacement?
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This is the most sensible deal I can come up with in the scenario ESPN describes. As they suggest, the Celtics give up a 1st rounder in the deal going to Memphis.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ae5c5k9
I think this is a very fair deal for the Cs, particularly considering it allows them to try to 'win now' but actually gives them Anderson and salary flexibility next year, should they want it. I also think it's interesting for the Griz.
At first glance, I think it looney tunes for TOR. But -- 1) they seem to hate Lowry, 2) they're not going to pay Calderon in the offseason, and 3) Colangalo is desperate to be relevant now in order to keep his job.
Memphis gets no gay replacement?
I think that's cake and eating it too. They want young players, picks, salary relief. They're not getting a Gay replacement from either TOR or BOS in this deal because they dont want Green and cant get DeRozen.
Granted, Lee is a SG, not a SF, but he's a quality wing who is a major upgrade at the 2 for them. And aside from Davis, they're getting good 3pt shooting in Lee and Calderon.
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Think Memphis and Toronto go for this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aet86tb
Yes, but I don't think Boston does!!
Rondo, Bradley, and Green for Lowry, Fields, and Bargnagni???
Each of our players outgoing are better values than their respective player coming in. And it's not a deal that's going to make us favorites to win a title.
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This is the most sensible deal I can come up with in the scenario ESPN describes. As they suggest, the Celtics give up a 1st rounder in the deal going to Memphis.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ae5c5k9
I think this is a very fair deal for the Cs, particularly considering it allows them to try to 'win now' but actually gives them Anderson and salary flexibility next year, should they want it. I also think it's interesting for the Griz.
At first glance, I think it looney tunes for TOR. But -- 1) they seem to hate Lowry, 2) they're not going to pay Calderon in the offseason, and 3) Colangalo is desperate to be relevant now in order to keep his job.
That trade makes Toronto very wing heavy and Grizzlies guard heavy. I toyed a bit with your idea and came up with this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=auhzlwb.
However, given that Memphis are essentially letting Gay go due to financial reasons, I'm positive that taking back $12m this year is decent enough. However, they whould have to be sold that Green would fit their system and produce adequately (which is doubtful), and that they ship Terry on possibly in the offseason, for further cap relief. And I'm not sold on that, considering his current level of performance.
The incentives for Boston and Toronto are relatively obvious, so I won't go into detail with that.
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This is the most sensible deal I can come up with in the scenario ESPN describes. As they suggest, the Celtics give up a 1st rounder in the deal going to Memphis.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ae5c5k9
I think this is a very fair deal for the Cs, particularly considering it allows them to try to 'win now' but actually gives them Anderson and salary flexibility next year, should they want it. I also think it's interesting for the Griz.
At first glance, I think it looney tunes for TOR. But -- 1) they seem to hate Lowry, 2) they're not going to pay Calderon in the offseason, and 3) Colangalo is desperate to be relevant now in order to keep his job.
That trade makes Toronto very wing heavy and Grizzlies guard heavy. I toyed a bit with your idea and came up with this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=auhzlwb.
However, given that Memphis are essentially letting Gay go due to financial reasons, I'm positive that taking back $12m this year is decent enough. However, they whould have to be sold that Green would fit their system and produce adequately (which is doubtful), and that they ship Terry on possibly in the offseason, for further cap relief. And I'm not sold on that, considering his current level of performance.
The incentives for Boston and Toronto are relatively obvious, so I won't go into detail with that.
Don't understand what you mean. Toronto trades a wing and gets a wing. And Lee plays a position where the Griz currently have basically nothing.
More importantly, your deal doesn't follow the report. Participants: Gay, Arthur, Davis, Lowry, Calderon (for salary purposes). The Griz want young players (meaning, rookie contracts), salary relief, and a pick. The Cs come in to put a player in for Lowry and provide the pick. I add Anderson, who is valuable to the Cs but becomes redundant on the Raps, for providing the pick.
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What "sources"?
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What "sources"?
Marc Stein is arguably the most legit national NBA insider.
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Marc Stein is arguably the most legit national NBA insider.
Just a heads up if anyone wants to hear. He's [Woj] probably the best insider in the league.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=62219.msg1387327#msg1387327
Battle royale!!!
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Marc Stein is arguably the most legit national NBA insider.
Just a heads up if anyone wants to hear. He's [Woj] probably the best insider in the league.
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=62219.msg1387327#msg1387327
Battle royale!!!
I far prefer Stein. Very solid reporting. None of the BS drama.
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Toronto shouldn't pursue Rudy Gay. He is not a guy you can build around.
If you already have a high level star in place, Rudy Gay would make a strong 2nd or 3rd option. The only reason I like the idea of Gay in Boston is because Rondo is already here.
I'd agree with that in many situations, but Toronto has no ability to attract a higher level star player. They've never been able to attract a star in free agency. Every star they've drafted (Vince, T-mac, or Bosh) either left in free agency or Toronto had little choice but to trade them. Unless they strike gold in the draft, I think Gay is the type of player they should try to grab.
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Why?? They already have two great pieces in Ross and DeRozan. Toronto is nuts.
I wouldn't call Ross a great piece yet. He hasn't even earned the right to be called a "piece."
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Sources told ESPN.com on Sunday night, in the wake of Rajon Rondo's season-ending knee injury, that Boston was more likely to pursue Lowry and his cap-friendly contract.
this yet Ainge basically calls Lowry a cancer well played Danny! :P
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Sources told ESPN.com on Sunday night, in the wake of Rajon Rondo's season-ending knee injury, that Boston was more likely to pursue Lowry and his cap-friendly contract.
this yet Ainge basically calls Lowry a cancer well played Danny! :P
When did Danny say that? I thought Wojo was the one saying that he has had trouble everywhere he goes?
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225841/Raptors_Discussing_Trade_For_Rudy_Gay_With_Grizzlies
Not to much here saying that Jose and Ed davis are the core of the deal. But you gotta think Danny is trying to get in on this. Def. If the Raptors are willing to move Ed davis then throw Bass to toronto and try to nab Jose and throw a pick towards the grizz and try to get in the middle of this a work something out. Really hope the Danny is on the phone trying to get in on this.
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I have a feeling that the more this rumor heats up the more the Celtics get mentioned in it. We shall see.
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Best I could do
Boston - Lowry
Toronto - Gay, Arthur
Memphis - Davis, Fields, Lee, Kleiza, Bos 1st (protected top 20, top 15 next year, top 10 2015, unprotected 2016), Bos 2nd
Boston gets a quality PG replacement and shaves a bunch of salary for a redundant wing and a heavily protected 1st (and a 2nd).
Toronto gets Gay and Arthur, two players they want for Davis and some now redundant wings.
Memphis saves a bunch of money long term, gets a nice young PF prospect, and adds a bunch of depth and a future pick (and a 2nd).
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Best I could do
Boston - Lowry
Toronto - Gay, Arthur
Memphis - Davis, Fields, Lee, Kleiza, Bos 1st (protected top 20, top 15 next year, top 10 2015, unprotected 2016), Bos 2nd
Boston gets a quality PG replacement and shaves a bunch of salary for a redundant wing and a heavily protected 1st (and a 2nd).
Toronto gets Gay and Arthur, two players they want for Davis and some now redundant wings.
Memphis saves a bunch of money long term, gets a nice young PF prospect, and adds a bunch of depth and a future pick (and a 2nd).
See the trade I posted previously. It's basically the same, but Calderon instead of Fields and Kleiza. The only contract Hollinger thought was worse last summer than Green's was Fields', and Kleiza has a full year left guaranteed at ~$5MM.
The Griz are not going to take those guys back in a deal for Gay -- the want young assets and expiring deal(s), the latter of which will give them some wiggle room to improve their team over the next couple of years.
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Best I could do
Boston - Lowry
Toronto - Gay, Arthur
Memphis - Davis, Fields, Lee, Kleiza, Bos 1st (protected top 20, top 15 next year, top 10 2015, unprotected 2016), Bos 2nd
Boston gets a quality PG replacement and shaves a bunch of salary for a redundant wing and a heavily protected 1st (and a 2nd).
Toronto gets Gay and Arthur, two players they want for Davis and some now redundant wings.
Memphis saves a bunch of money long term, gets a nice young PF prospect, and adds a bunch of depth and a future pick (and a 2nd).
See the trade I posted previously. It's basically the same, but Calderon instead of Fields and Kleiza. The only contract Hollinger thought was worse last summer than Green's was Fields', and Kleiza has a full year left guaranteed at ~$5MM.
The Griz are not going to take those guys back in a deal for Gay -- the want young assets and expiring deal(s), the latter of which will give them some wiggle room to improve their team over the next couple of years.
The Raptors aren't trading both Calderon and Lowry.
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Best I could do
Boston - Lowry
Toronto - Gay, Arthur
Memphis - Davis, Fields, Lee, Kleiza, Bos 1st (protected top 20, top 15 next year, top 10 2015, unprotected 2016), Bos 2nd
Boston gets a quality PG replacement and shaves a bunch of salary for a redundant wing and a heavily protected 1st (and a 2nd).
Toronto gets Gay and Arthur, two players they want for Davis and some now redundant wings.
Memphis saves a bunch of money long term, gets a nice young PF prospect, and adds a bunch of depth and a future pick (and a 2nd).
See the trade I posted previously. It's basically the same, but Calderon instead of Fields and Kleiza. The only contract Hollinger thought was worse last summer than Green's was Fields', and Kleiza has a full year left guaranteed at ~$5MM.
The Griz are not going to take those guys back in a deal for Gay -- the want young assets and expiring deal(s), the latter of which will give them some wiggle room to improve their team over the next couple of years.
The Raptors aren't trading both Calderon and Lowry.
I read somewhere -- I think it was a Toronto beat writer (twitter maybe) -- saying that he thought the Raptors would either trade both or just Lowry. It sounded like he felt there was a real chance they'd move both players.
Somewhat makes sense. If Lowry isn't long term option + they don't want to re-sign Calderon (32 years old) to a multi-year contract and want to get whatever they can for him in this trade window before he leaves.
Still seems a bit odd though ... but I think it was a beat writer for the Raptors where I read this. So maybe there is something to it.
Edit: Here is the tweet I remembered
My guess is either both move or just Calderon, but can't see just Lowry going, unless someone antes up for him
So he (Ryan Wolstat) thought Lowry was the guy to stay or both would go. I got that wrong. Not Calderon to stay. He seems to think Calderon is definitely on his way out.
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Best I could do
Boston - Lowry
Toronto - Gay, Arthur
Memphis - Davis, Fields, Lee, Kleiza, Bos 1st (protected top 20, top 15 next year, top 10 2015, unprotected 2016), Bos 2nd
Boston gets a quality PG replacement and shaves a bunch of salary for a redundant wing and a heavily protected 1st (and a 2nd).
Toronto gets Gay and Arthur, two players they want for Davis and some now redundant wings.
Memphis saves a bunch of money long term, gets a nice young PF prospect, and adds a bunch of depth and a future pick (and a 2nd).
See the trade I posted previously. It's basically the same, but Calderon instead of Fields and Kleiza. The only contract Hollinger thought was worse last summer than Green's was Fields', and Kleiza has a full year left guaranteed at ~$5MM.
The Griz are not going to take those guys back in a deal for Gay -- the want young assets and expiring deal(s), the latter of which will give them some wiggle room to improve their team over the next couple of years.
The Raptors aren't trading both Calderon and Lowry.
Why? They're a contender? Are they even going to make the playoffs?
To the contrary, i think it's far more likely that neither guy is wearing a Raptor uni when the 2013-14 seasons begins than either still is.
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Don't want the Celtics to be apart of this trade, but I kinda like it for the Raptors. Would love for them to see if they could get a trade partner who'd be interested in Bargnani. Maybe, and I'm stealing this idea from the BS Report, Steven Jackson in a dump (and I'm assuming Jackson gets bought out)
Lowry
Ross / Derozan
Gay
Davis / Ahmir
Valancunias
EDIT: god, I hate that they resigned Derozan
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In engagement of 3rd teams for possible Rudy Gay-to-Toronto deal, Raptors struggling to find landing spot for Jose Calderon, sources tell Y!
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In engagement of 3rd teams for possible Rudy Gay-to-Toronto deal, Raptors struggling to find landing spot for Jose Calderon, sources tell Y!
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Just saw that, wonder if Houston would do this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ad8lryr (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ad8lryr)
Boston Sends: Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass
Boston Receives: Jose Calderon
Toronto Sends: Jose Calderon, Ed Davis
Toronto Receives: Rudy Gay
Memphis Receives: Ed Davis, Courtney Lee, Houston Cash
Memphis Sends: Rudy Gay
Houston Sends: Cash
Houston Receives: Brandon Bass
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Send Bass and a second rounder. Calderon isn't too valuable.
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Why would Houston take on Bass when they have so many PFs already?
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In engagement of 3rd teams for possible Rudy Gay-to-Toronto deal, Raptors struggling to find landing spot for Jose Calderon, sources tell Y!
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Just saw that, wonder if Houston would do this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ad8lryr (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ad8lryr)
Boston Sends: Courtney Lee, Brandon Bass
Boston Receives: Jose Calderon
Toronto Sends: Jose Calderon, Ed Davis
Toronto Receives: Rudy Gay
Memphis Receives: Ed Davis, Courtney Lee, Houston Cash
Memphis Sends: Rudy Gay
Houston Sends: Cash
Houston Receives: Brandon Bass
Would probably do that trade, but rather give up Terry instead of Lee.
Clears a bunch of cap space(we aren't a contender anymore so might as well clear cap space)
If KG retires, and PP is waived, the c's will have a bunch of cap room to sign players or trade without having to match salary.
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Why would Houston take on Bass when they have so many PFs already?
Cuz outside of Patterson none of them are really any good. Could do the same with the Cavs I suppose.
EDIT: Shoot, I kinda like Terrence Jones too. Anyone know another team with cap space?
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In engagement of 3rd teams for possible Rudy Gay-to-Toronto deal, Raptors struggling to find landing spot for Jose Calderon, sources tell Y!
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Weird that Memphis doesn't just want to take on his expiring contract directly.
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In engagement of 3rd teams for possible Rudy Gay-to-Toronto deal, Raptors struggling to find landing spot for Jose Calderon, sources tell Y!
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Weird that Memphis doesn't just want to take on his expiring contract directly.
I imagine they're going to need a SG/SF to replace Gay
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In engagement of 3rd teams for possible Rudy Gay-to-Toronto deal, Raptors struggling to find landing spot for Jose Calderon, sources tell Y!
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Weird that Memphis doesn't just want to take on his expiring contract directly.
I'm guessing that the proposed trade would put them over the luxury tax this year if they took him.
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Why would Houston take on Bass when they have so many PFs already?
Cuz outside of Patterson none of them are really any good. Could do the same with the Cavs I suppose.
EDIT: Shoot, I kinda like Terrence Jones too. Anyone know another team with cap space?
Yeah but they surely don't want a long term salary like Bass there as their young PFs develop.
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I thought raptors preferred to trade lowry over calderon
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Rockets, T-Wolves, Warriors, Wizards, Raptors, Cavs, Kings, Pacers all have space. Of those Cavs, Warriors, and maybe even the Raptors could possibly use Brandon Bass.
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I thought raptors preferred to trade lowry over calderon
Chatter designed to give them more leverage? Who knows.
I think they're trying to move both of them.
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I thought raptors preferred to trade lowry over calderon
Chatter designed to give them more leverage? Who knows.
I think they're trying to move both of them.
If the celtics do get involved i am sure they might try for lowry first. Who knows maybe not they might like calderon instead.
But it seems rudy gay is prob going to raptors
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In engagement of 3rd teams for possible Rudy Gay-to-Toronto deal, Raptors struggling to find landing spot for Jose Calderon, sources tell Y!
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Weird that Memphis doesn't just want to take on his expiring contract directly.
I'm guessing that the proposed trade would put them over the luxury tax this year if they took him.
Hard to make sense of that -- they're not that close to the line at this point. They'd need to be taking a bunch of players back from Toronto for it to be an issue -- like Fields, Barngani, etc -- and it's hard to see then why Memphis would be doing it in the first place.
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In engagement of 3rd teams for possible Rudy Gay-to-Toronto deal, Raptors struggling to find landing spot for Jose Calderon, sources tell Y!
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Weird that Memphis doesn't just want to take on his expiring contract directly.
I'm guessing that the proposed trade would put them over the luxury tax this year if they took him.
Hard to make sense of that -- they're not that close to the line at this point. They'd need to be taking a bunch of players back from Toronto for it to be an issue -- like Fields, Barngani, etc -- and it's hard to see then why Memphis would be doing it in the first place.
Aren't they only 3 million under?
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Wait until March 1...
Boston trades: Green, Bass, Barbosa
Boston receives: Lowry, Bargnani, PIETRUS!!!*
Pros: starting PG, solid big, 3-and-D wing
Memphis trades: Gay
Memphis receives: Green, Bass
Pros: Green is almost as good as Gay for half the money, solid 3rd big man
Toronto trades: Lowry, Bargnani, Pietrus
Toronto receives: Gay, Barbosa
Pros: get rid of Bargnani contract, franchise(ish) player in Gay
* In case you can't tell, I love Pietrus.
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We need a memo to be put out to all CelticsBlog users on John Hollinger's thoughts on Jeff Green
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As for finding a spot for Calderon, yes, teams have interest in him. Yet how much are they willing to contribute to MEM-TOR in 3-way deal?
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In engagement of 3rd teams for possible Rudy Gay-to-Toronto deal, Raptors struggling to find landing spot for Jose Calderon, sources tell Y!
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Weird that Memphis doesn't just want to take on his expiring contract directly.
I'm guessing that the proposed trade would put them over the luxury tax this year if they took him.
Hard to make sense of that -- they're not that close to the line at this point. They'd need to be taking a bunch of players back from Toronto for it to be an issue -- like Fields, Barngani, etc -- and it's hard to see then why Memphis would be doing it in the first place.
Aren't they only 3 million under?
Yes -- but, it still seems odd. It must mean they want Lowry back in the deal, but aren't willing to take either Fields or Klieza as filler, so it has to be Calderon, thus the tax issue.
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Wait until March 1...
Boston trades: Green, Bass, Barbosa
Boston receives: Lowry, Bargnani, PIETRUS!!!*
Pros: starting PG, solid big, 3-and-D wing
Memphis trades: Gay
Memphis receives: Green, Bass
Pros: Green is almost as good as Gay for half the money, solid 3rd big man
Toronto trades: Lowry, Bargnani, Pietrus
Toronto receives: Gay, Barbosa
Pros: get rid of Bargnani contract, franchise(ish) player in Gay
* In case you can't tell, I love Pietrus.
Air France can't be traded. He signed his contract after the season started so he's ineligible
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In engagement of 3rd teams for possible Rudy Gay-to-Toronto deal, Raptors struggling to find landing spot for Jose Calderon, sources tell Y!
WojYahooNBA
Weird that Memphis doesn't just want to take on his expiring contract directly.
I'm guessing that the proposed trade would put them over the luxury tax this year if they took him.
Hard to make sense of that -- they're not that close to the line at this point. They'd need to be taking a bunch of players back from Toronto for it to be an issue -- like Fields, Barngani, etc -- and it's hard to see then why Memphis would be doing it in the first place.
Aren't they only 3 million under?
Yes -- but, it still seems odd. It must mean they want Lowry back in the deal, but aren't willing to take either Fields or Klieza as filler, so it has to be Calderon, thus the tax issue.
Or it could be that they want an additional asset that Toronto isn't willing to surrender. So they're trying to turn Calderon into a first round pick.
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In engagement of 3rd teams for possible Rudy Gay-to-Toronto deal, Raptors struggling to find landing spot for Jose Calderon, sources tell Y!
WojYahooNBA
Weird that Memphis doesn't just want to take on his expiring contract directly.
I'm guessing that the proposed trade would put them over the luxury tax this year if they took him.
Hard to make sense of that -- they're not that close to the line at this point. They'd need to be taking a bunch of players back from Toronto for it to be an issue -- like Fields, Barngani, etc -- and it's hard to see then why Memphis would be doing it in the first place.
Aren't they only 3 million under?
Yes -- but, it still seems odd. It must mean they want Lowry back in the deal, but aren't willing to take either Fields or Klieza as filler, so it has to be Calderon, thus the tax issue.
Or it could be that they want an additional asset that Toronto isn't willing to surrender. So they're trying to turn Calderon into a first round pick.
Yep -- also a possibility. Hard to imagine a team giving up a 1st for Jose, and equally difficult to find a fit. Cs and Jazz are the closest I can come up with, but I can't see Utah doing it and Boston doesn't have a short / expiring contract to match.
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Why on earth would we want Bargnani, unless the goal is to tank for a lottery pick?
Bargnani is one of the worst players in the league. He's a terrible shooter, terrible defender, terrible ball handler, and terrible rebounder. The only thing he does moderately well is shoot 3-pointers (but even then, his percentage is only average) and free throws (but he never gets to the line because he doesn't bang around inside). A big man has no right shooting less than 40% from the field.
Have people seriously not noticed that for 7 consecutive seasons that Raptors have been significantly worse both offensively and defensively when he is on the court?
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Haven't seen this news posted in regards to the Raptors pursuit of Gay, but Steve Kyler, an editor for USA Today who is generally a very reliable source tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/296354272281493506 (https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/296354272281493506)
@stevekylerNBA RT @brokerjohnny: Why is it hard for MEM & TOR to find a 3rd team for Calderon? ---> I would watch Boston.
and
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/296354408889995264 (https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/296354408889995264)
@stevekylerNBA RT @brokerjohnny: ---> Boston has more need for Calderon and Ed Davis than Memphis
Obviously he isn't saying Boston is involved, but if a third team is needed, Boston would be a great fit. Just speculation/educated guess/whatever you want to call it.
I am not a huge Calderon fan, but he is in the last year of his deal. I do however, love Ed Davis. He's a very talented young big man. Not sure what Boston would give up for that package...
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my bos/mem/raps 3 ways
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bj2964o
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a57h48o
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=adpq8k5
c's could up their offer with picks and throwing in melo
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i like jose alot, problem is he is expiring, if we could come to an agreement (5 to 6 mill) with him i would love to do a calderon/davis deal, i would offer bass, lee and throw in melo
jose a good enough shooter to play as a two gaurd once rondo comes back, or even make rondo expendable.
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Haven't seen this news posted in regards to the Raptors pursuit of Gay, but Steve Kyler, an editor for USA Today who is generally a very reliable source tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/296354272281493506 (https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/296354272281493506)
@stevekylerNBA RT @brokerjohnny: Why is it hard for MEM & TOR to find a 3rd team for Calderon? ---> I would watch Boston.
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https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/296354408889995264 (https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/296354408889995264)
@stevekylerNBA RT @brokerjohnny: ---> Boston has more need for Calderon and Ed Davis than Memphis
Obviously he isn't saying Boston is involved, but if a third team is needed, Boston would be a great fit. Just speculation/educated guess/whatever you want to call it.
I am not a huge Calderon fan, but he is in the last year of his deal. I do however, love Ed Davis. He's a very talented young big man. Not sure what Boston would give up for that package...
More from Kryler.
A couple of thoughts on Rudy Gay rumors involving Toronto... nothing is close. Nothing is pending. Nothing needs one more phone call.
3:45pm - 29 Jan 13
Rudy Gay rumors... although I know Memphis has limited interest in Paul Pierce, that is the situation to watch. Boston would flip Rudy Gay.
Rudy Gay rumors... Toronto has the assets Boston would want if they are blowing up the older core... Calderon replaces Rondo, Davis youth
Rudy Gay rumors... I don't think Boston really wants to trade Paul Pierce, but may have no other viable options for real change in the team
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I will be seriously depressed if Ainge flips Rudy Gay for Calderon and Ed Davis.
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i like jose alot, problem is he is expiring, if we could come to an agreement (5 to 6 mill) with him i would love to do a calderon/davis deal, i would offer bass, lee and throw in melo
jose a good enough shooter to play as a two gaurd once rondo comes back, or even make rondo expendable.
Sounds like pierce might have to be moved.
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I will be seriously depressed if Ainge flips Rudy Gay for Calderon and Ed Davis.
Really? I would be ecstatic. I think Gay is one of the most overrated (and overpaid) players. There is an argument that his numbers suffer because of Memphis' style of play and the roster, but he's getting paid like a franchise star, he's been in the NBA for 7 years now. I don't think he is going to change much. He is what he is. I guy with all this potential, but nothing more than an athletic, slightly above average wing player. I would be seriously depressed if he clogged up the cap with his outrageous salary for the next 3 years.
Calderon is an expiring contract and Davis is a very promising young, athletic big man. If people are going crazy over how well Sully has played this year (rightfully so), Davis is already a better player and has a higher ceiling. Having him and Sully up front is a pretty nice front court to build on.
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another memphis/c's/raps
with paul going to grizz
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a5rd6xe
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In engagement of 3rd teams for possible Rudy Gay-to-Toronto deal, Raptors struggling to find landing spot for Jose Calderon, sources tell Y!
WojYahooNBA
Weird that Memphis doesn't just want to take on his expiring contract directly.
I'm guessing that the proposed trade would put them over the luxury tax this year if they took him.
Hard to make sense of that -- they're not that close to the line at this point. They'd need to be taking a bunch of players back from Toronto for it to be an issue -- like Fields, Barngani, etc -- and it's hard to see then why Memphis would be doing it in the first place.
Aren't they only 3 million under?
Yes -- but, it still seems odd. It must mean they want Lowry back in the deal, but aren't willing to take either Fields or Klieza as filler, so it has to be Calderon, thus the tax issue.
Or it could be that they want an additional asset that Toronto isn't willing to surrender. So they're trying to turn Calderon into a first round pick.
Yep -- also a possibility. Hard to imagine a team giving up a 1st for Jose, and equally difficult to find a fit. Cs and Jazz are the closest I can come up with, but I can't see Utah doing it and Boston doesn't have a short / expiring contract to match.
Danny is not giving up a 1st for a rental like calderon. If he gives up a 1st it will be for a player for the future(Like Millsap or Josh Smith)
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Haven't seen this news posted in regards to the Raptors pursuit of Gay, but Steve Kyler, an editor for USA Today who is generally a very reliable source tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/296354272281493506 (https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/296354272281493506)
@stevekylerNBA RT @brokerjohnny: Why is it hard for MEM & TOR to find a 3rd team for Calderon? ---> I would watch Boston.
and
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/296354408889995264 (https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/296354408889995264)
@stevekylerNBA RT @brokerjohnny: ---> Boston has more need for Calderon and Ed Davis than Memphis
Obviously he isn't saying Boston is involved, but if a third team is needed, Boston would be a great fit. Just speculation/educated guess/whatever you want to call it.
I am not a huge Calderon fan, but he is in the last year of his deal. I do however, love Ed Davis. He's a very talented young big man. Not sure what Boston would give up for that package...
I guess the question becomes what is Memphis getting in a deal here if the Cs are getting the likes of Davis and Calderon or Lowry:
1) A Celtics 1st rounder? Sure;
2) DeRozen? Could be;
3) Something more from the Cs?
It sounds like Kyler thinks it could be Pierce, but then Wojo's report about struggling to find a home for Calderon doesn't make a ton of sense.
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http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6219751
most likely 3 way trade if there is to be one
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rather klieza, fields than bargs, his horrible
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http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6219751
most likely 3 way trade if there is to be one
I still don't know about giving up Pierce for Davis and Calderon, but at least in this scenario we turn Bass into Bargnani which is the only upgrade involving Bargnani coming to our team...
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what would be the point of trading pierce for any of those proposals? calderon is gone next season and adding him and ed davis don't really help this team win now. without pierce, you conceed the season for what essentially is ed davis? how does that make sense?
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A possibility here:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajkqp7w
Boston would send it's 1st round pick this year to Memphis in exchange for receiving both Davis and Ross for Pierce.
I'd like to see Bass or Terry go out with Pierce if he's traded, but it's hard to see how that would make any sense in the context of this deal.
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Why on earth would we want Bargnani, unless the goal is to tank for a lottery pick?
Bargnani is one of the worst players in the league. He's a terrible shooter, terrible defender, terrible ball handler, and terrible rebounder. The only thing he does moderately well is shoot 3-pointers (but even then, his percentage is only average) and free throws (but he never gets to the line because he doesn't bang around inside). A big man has no right shooting less than 40% from the field.
Have people seriously not noticed that for 7 consecutive seasons that Raptors have been significantly worse both offensively and defensively when he is on the court?
Bargnani is absolutely not one of the worst players in the league. That's a foolish overstatement.
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A possibility here:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajkqp7w
Boston would send it's 1st round pick this year to Memphis in exchange for receiving both Davis and Ross for Pierce.
I'd like to see Bass or Terry go out with Pierce if he's traded, but it's hard to see how that would make any sense in the context of this deal.
that's a much better deal for the celtics, but the raptors have been said to have zero interest in trading Ross.
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Why on earth would we want Bargnani, unless the goal is to tank for a lottery pick?
Bargnani is one of the worst players in the league. He's a terrible shooter, terrible defender, terrible ball handler, and terrible rebounder. The only thing he does moderately well is shoot 3-pointers (but even then, his percentage is only average) and free throws (but he never gets to the line because he doesn't bang around inside). A big man has no right shooting less than 40% from the field.
Have people seriously not noticed that for 7 consecutive seasons that Raptors have been significantly worse both offensively and defensively when he is on the court?
Bargnani is absolutely not one of the worst players in the league. That's a foolish overstatement.
Regardless of this debate, the Cs are not doing a deal involving Pierce going out and Bargnani coming in. It makes no sense.
If the Cs trade Pierce, it's for rebuilding pieces, not high paid middle-of-the-road vets.
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A possibility here:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajkqp7w
Boston would send it's 1st round pick this year to Memphis in exchange for receiving both Davis and Ross for Pierce.
I'd like to see Bass or Terry go out with Pierce if he's traded, but it's hard to see how that would make any sense in the context of this deal.
This one is similar to yours, but I read the Grizzlies would want some extra pieces in addition to Pierce.
Here is what I came up with.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=axx8v2o
If we are going to move Pierce and not get Gay, then we need a little more then an expiring deal and a prospect.
I could see Ainge doing like he did before. Being a bad team with one perennial All-Star, developing talent, and then moving it to acquire a couple other perennial Stars to contend.
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A possibility here:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajkqp7w
Boston would send it's 1st round pick this year to Memphis in exchange for receiving both Davis and Ross for Pierce.
I'd like to see Bass or Terry go out with Pierce if he's traded, but it's hard to see how that would make any sense in the context of this deal.
This one is similar to yours, but I read the Grizzlies would want some extra pieces in addition to Pierce.
Here is what I came up with.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=axx8v2o
If we are going to move Pierce and not get Gay, then we need a little more then an expiring deal and a prospect.
I could see Ainge doing like he did before. Being a bad team with one perennial All-Star, developing talent, and then moving it to acquire a couple other perennial Stars to contend.
Don't really want kleiza. 4 million for seven points a game.
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Ainge is smart enough not to trade Pierce for an expiring and youth.
If Pierce is getting traded it's for either youth and/or picks.
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ed davis is good, if you turn pp into ed i would do it, last year they tried to turn ray into mayo and failed, that would have been a smart move.
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A possibility here:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajkqp7w
Boston would send it's 1st round pick this year to Memphis in exchange for receiving both Davis and Ross for Pierce.
I'd like to see Bass or Terry go out with Pierce if he's traded, but it's hard to see how that would make any sense in the context of this deal.
Why would we give a 1st up in that type of deal? It would defeat the entire point of trading Pierce which would be acquiring young pieces and players to rebuild. The way I see it, Calderon and Davis don't equal a Pierce or Gay in value. The Raptors would have to include Ross(since the don't own there 2013 first) to have the deal make sense for the Cs.
If Pierce for Ross/Davis/Calderon was the offer on the table I think the Cs would really have to consider it.
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Celtics get in on the Memphis / Toronto Rudy Gay trade.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ass6lug
Bos gets: Calderon / Bayless
Mem gets: Terry / A. Johnson / Derozan
Tor gets: Gay / Bass
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another trade i would consider
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a7l3ur9
puts the c's under the tax threshold also, don't see this team losing much if they sub jeff for paul
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A possibility here:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajkqp7w
Boston would send it's 1st round pick this year to Memphis in exchange for receiving both Davis and Ross for Pierce.
I'd like to see Bass or Terry go out with Pierce if he's traded, but it's hard to see how that would make any sense in the context of this deal.
Why would we give a 1st up in that type of deal? It would defeat the entire point of trading Pierce which would be acquiring young pieces and players to rebuild. The way I see it, Calderon and Davis don't equal a Pierce or Gay in value. The Raptors would have to include Ross(since the don't own there 2013 first) to have the deal make sense for the Cs.
If Pierce for Ross/Davis/Calderon was the offer on the table I think the Cs would really have to consider it.
Because Memphis would want more for Gay than Pierce. And because Pierce alone won't net you two prospects like Ross and Davis -- heck, I'm doubtful that including the pick would even net those two.
My point -- you'd rather have Davis or Ross than the Cs 1st this year, in all likelihood.
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A possibility here:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajkqp7w
Boston would send it's 1st round pick this year to Memphis in exchange for receiving both Davis and Ross for Pierce.
I'd like to see Bass or Terry go out with Pierce if he's traded, but it's hard to see how that would make any sense in the context of this deal.
Why would we give a 1st up in that type of deal? It would defeat the entire point of trading Pierce which would be acquiring young pieces and players to rebuild. The way I see it, Calderon and Davis don't equal a Pierce or Gay in value. The Raptors would have to include Ross(since the don't own there 2013 first) to have the deal make sense for the Cs.
If Pierce for Ross/Davis/Calderon was the offer on the table I think the Cs would really have to consider it.
Because Memphis would want more for Gay than Pierce. And because Pierce alone won't net you two prospects like Ross and Davis -- heck, I'm doubtful that including the pick would even net those two.
My point -- you'd rather have Davis or Ross than the Cs 1st this year, in all likelihood.
Memphis would want more from Toronto not from us. Memphis wants future cap relief while improving their team. They aren't going to do better than a straight up Pierce for Gay trade.
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A possibility here:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajkqp7w
Boston would send it's 1st round pick this year to Memphis in exchange for receiving both Davis and Ross for Pierce.
I'd like to see Bass or Terry go out with Pierce if he's traded, but it's hard to see how that would make any sense in the context of this deal.
Why would we give a 1st up in that type of deal? It would defeat the entire point of trading Pierce which would be acquiring young pieces and players to rebuild. The way I see it, Calderon and Davis don't equal a Pierce or Gay in value. The Raptors would have to include Ross(since the don't own there 2013 first) to have the deal make sense for the Cs.
If Pierce for Ross/Davis/Calderon was the offer on the table I think the Cs would really have to consider it.
Because Memphis would want more for Gay than Pierce. And because Pierce alone won't net you two prospects like Ross and Davis -- heck, I'm doubtful that including the pick would even net those two.
My point -- you'd rather have Davis or Ross than the Cs 1st this year, in all likelihood.
Memphis would want more from Toronto not from us. Memphis wants future cap relief while improving their team. They aren't going to do better than a straight up Pierce for Gay trade.
I don't really follow you -- trades are about net in and out. Memphis cares about what they get for Rudy Gay, not who gives it up.
Example: if Toronto trades Ross to Memphis instead of the Cs 2013 1st, the deal I propose likely gets less interesting to to the Cs because they have to take a lesser player from Memphis, then basically only get Davis.
Yet the Griz want more than just Pierce for Gay, notably a young player or a pick to make up for all they've had to ship out to get under the tax. If Pierce is all they'd get, then they're not likely to make such a trade.
All of this is probably moot since the most reluctant party in the deal i propose is probably Toronto. So let's say i disagree with you and leave it at that.
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Memphis wants cap relief to keep themselves out of luxury land down the line, but they also want to keep competing. Toronto doesn't have anything to offer that helps them do both that's why it was said that they want "more" for Gay and a third team would be needed. Boston was mentioned as a third team because Memphis was rumored to be open to a Pierce for Gay trade. Pierce provides everything Memphis would want in a trade and they aren't likely to do better. Pierce is a better scorer, shooter, and has a better contract. Trading Gay for Pierce would not be selling short so I don't see why Memphis would want more from the Celtics. That's just how I see it, but I'll agree to disagree.
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Memphis gets killed in this one, but they do get two good playoff tested role players and save 5.5 million off Gay's contract. This works in ESPN trade checker
To Boston-
Kyle Lowry
Amir Johnson
To Memphis-
Brandon Bass
Jason Terry
To Toronto-
Rudy Gay
;D
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The Memphis Grizzlies and Toronto Raptors are moving closer to finalizing a Rudy Gay trade, but are still searching for a third team to take Jose Calderon.
The Grizzlies would receive a young member of the Raptors and a future pick, according to sources.
"With so many quality point guards, they're struggling to find a spot for Calderon," one league general manager said.
Memphis has sought to acquire Terrence Ross, but the Raptors have ruled him untouchable.
Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports
Y! Sources: Final hurdle for a Rudy Gay-to-Toronto deal hinges on third team involvement. tinyurl.com/ap4yde8
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So based on all the reports, the 'young player' is likely Davis. So Memphis gets: (whoever in place of) Calderon, Davis, and a pick.
It's very tough to make the Cs the 3rd team. The only player who could be traded by himself for Calderon in this scenario is Green, which is dubious at best. I also have my doubts that Ainge would want to do that anyway.
If not Green, Memphis is unlikely to want any of Terry, Lee or Bass, much less a combo of two of them, which would be needed here.
The trade would have to grow for the Cs to be a fit.
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If the Hawks are really going to trade Smith... Who says No?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=axxwk85
Boston receives Josh Smith and Kyle Lowry.
Boston gets a Pg to replace Rondo this year and Josh Smith.
Grizzlies receive Jeff Green, Kyle Korver, Courtney Lee, Ed Davis, and Leandro Barbosa
Grizzlies couldn't ask for a better package here. Green potentially replaces Gay. Korver is expiring and a fantastic shooter. Lee can replace TA's Defense and is a better shooter. Plus he doesn't have to be extended like TA will. Ed Davis is a nice prospect on a rookie deal who could potentially replace ZBo in 2 years. Barbosa replaces Bayless and is cheap.
Hawks receive Jose Calderon, Tony Allen, and Fab Melo (w. 1st) OR Sully.
Hawks exchange Smith's expiring deal with the combination of Calderon and Tony Allen's expiring deal. They also get a prospect on a rookie deal in Fab Melo. Instead of losing Smith for nothing next season and just getting cap space, they let TA and Calderon walk to maintain that cap space gaining Fab Melo in the process.
Raptors receive Rudy Gay, Jerryd Bayless, Deshawn Stevenson, and Jason Collins.
Raptors get their man in Gay and keep Derozan. They exchange some contracts for other contracts to make it work.
I think the only team that might be unhappy with this deal is Atlanta. I propose either adding a first rounder to their haul to get it done. Or seriously contemplating exchanging Fab for Sully, but that might be a deal breaker. But I think this ultimately works for everyone.
Thoughts?
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Saw this on HoopsHype just now.
The final hurdle for the salary dump of Memphis Grizzlies forward Rudy Gay to the Toronto Raptors hinges on finding a third team to absorb the expiring contract of Raptors guard Jose Calderon, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. Yahoo! Sports
I dont get this... If youre the Grizzlies and youre trying to save cap room for the future by unloading Gay...Why wouldnt you want the expiring of Calderon for the rest of the year?
I would take Calderons expiring in this deal. Doesnt make much sense for the Grizzlies to me however.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a2vxk2a (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a2vxk2a)
Not gonna lie... I could see Danny trying to swing a deal like this...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b49urh9 (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b49urh9)
I would absolutely hate it. But Dannys gets 10 mil off the books from Calderons expiring. Three years of Bargs instead of three years of Bass.
Finish the year with
Calderon/Terry
Bradley/Lee
Green
Bargs/Sully
KG/Wilcox
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Memphis and Toronto pushing closer on deal to send Rudy Gay to the Raptors, sources tell Y! Sports. Raps would part with Calderon and Davis.
There have been scenarios today that include third teams, and also where Grizzlies and Raptors could do deal straight up, sources tell Y!
WojYahooNBA
Looks like they might not need a 3rd team
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Obviously they covet him.... They have been trying to get a deal done for two weeks.
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Raptors and Grizzlies are discussing framework of trade with respective ownership groups now, sources tell Y! Deal could be done tonight.
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Raptors play tonight lets see if calderon sits
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Memphis could still have a third team scenario to send on Calderon and take back players, but immediately unclear.
Memphis prefers to do Rudy Gay deal with Jose Calderon going to third team. Several potential suitors making push for the veteran PG.
KBergCBS
Keyon Dooling, who works in an executive role for the Celtics, says he doesn't plan on making a comeback after all. Dooling made the announcement Wednesday on Twitter.
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I would definitely give up bass for calderons expiring even though a loathe Calderon. However we would need a big filler contract to move as well and I don't wanna move lee or terry just for an expiring deal.
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Several league officials tell Y! Sports that Memphis has a plan to route Jose Calderon to a third team for assets in Rudy Gay deal.
Who will be the 3rd team
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I would definitely give up bass for calderons expiring even though a loathe Calderon. However we would need a big filler contract to move as well and I don't wanna move lee or terry just for an expiring deal.
Why do you loathe Calderon? Seems like a solid PG to me. He can shoot the 3; doesn't turn the ball over much. Isn't he pretty steady?
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Several league officials tell Y! Sports that Memphis has a plan to route Jose Calderon to a third team for assets in Rudy Gay deal.
Who will be the 3rd team
Not Boston.
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If the Hawks are really going to trade Smith... Who says No?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=axxwk85
Boston receives Josh Smith and Kyle Lowry.
Boston gets a Pg to replace Rondo this year and Josh Smith.
Grizzlies receive Jeff Green, Kyle Korver, Courtney Lee, Ed Davis, and Leandro Barbosa
Grizzlies couldn't ask for a better package here. Green potentially replaces Gay. Korver is expiring and a fantastic shooter. Lee can replace TA's Defense and is a better shooter. Plus he doesn't have to be extended like TA will. Ed Davis is a nice prospect on a rookie deal who could potentially replace ZBo in 2 years. Barbosa replaces Bayless and is cheap.
Hawks receive Jose Calderon, Tony Allen, and Fab Melo (w. 1st) OR Sully.
Hawks exchange Smith's expiring deal with the combination of Calderon and Tony Allen's expiring deal. They also get a prospect on a rookie deal in Fab Melo. Instead of losing Smith for nothing next season and just getting cap space, they let TA and Calderon walk to maintain that cap space gaining Fab Melo in the process.
Raptors receive Rudy Gay, Jerryd Bayless, Deshawn Stevenson, and Jason Collins.
Raptors get their man in Gay and keep Derozan. They exchange some contracts for other contracts to make it work.
I think the only team that might be unhappy with this deal is Atlanta. I propose either adding a first rounder to their haul to get it done. Or seriously contemplating exchanging Fab for Sully, but that might be a deal breaker. But I think this ultimately works for everyone.
Thoughts?
I would be upset losing Green (big future ahead of him), Lee (current Bass of the year), Barbosa (only penetrator on our team), Melo (project for US, they have Gasol/Z-Bo), Sully (HUGE future ahead of him)....
If we're going to compete this year, then we keep Barbosa/Lee/Green/Sully...
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I would definitely give up bass for calderons expiring even though a loathe Calderon. However we would need a big filler contract to move as well and I don't wanna move lee or terry just for an expiring deal.
Why do you loathe Calderon? Seems like a solid PG to me. He can shoot the 3; doesn't turn the ball over much. Isn't he pretty steady?
There is just something about his game that I just cringe when watching. He's got a lot of Sasha Vujecic in him for me and I just cant stand it.
Playwise, he is kinda of hard to bash. He plays hard and does what he needs to do...Just something about him that I cant stand for some reason.
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Several league officials tell Y! Sports that Memphis has a plan to route Jose Calderon to a third team for assets in Rudy Gay deal.
Who will be the 3rd team
Hmm...maybe Utah? They're hard up for a PG and aren't carrying much payroll, and are small enough that they might want to dump some salary. Not sure how the numbers would work though. Maybe Marvin Williams?
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I would definitely give up bass for calderons expiring even though a loathe Calderon. However we would need a big filler contract to move as well and I don't wanna move lee or terry just for an expiring deal.
Why do you loathe Calderon? Seems like a solid PG to me. He can shoot the 3; doesn't turn the ball over much. Isn't he pretty steady?
There is just something about his game that I just cringe when watching. He's got a lot of Sasha Vujecic in him for me and I just cant stand it.
Playwise, he is kinda of hard to bash. He plays hard and does what he needs to do...Just something about him that I cant stand for some reason.
I agree dude just comes off soft to me and like he'd be rattled in the playoffs
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Bizarre. Tweets saying that it's Detroit who will be taking on Calderon. #doesnotcompute
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine about 5 minutes ago
Going online now: ESPN sources say Grizzlies and Raps have deal in place to swap Rudy Gay and Hamed Haddadi for Ed Davis and Jose Calderon
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The Memphis Grizzlies and Toronto Raptors have agreed in principle on a trade that will send leading scorer Rudy Gay to the Raptors, according to sources with knowledge of the deal.
Gay
Sources told ESPN.com that the Grizzlies will acquire forward Ed Davis and veteran guard Jose Calderon from the Raptors and then move Calderon on to a third team to ultimately make this a three-team deal.
The Detroit Pistons, sources said, are one of the prime options to take on Calderon, having pursued the Spanish floor leader all season.
The Grizzlies want a small forward out of the trade and Detroit has two on its roster in the final year of their contract: Tayshaun Prince and Corey Maggette. But Memphis, sources said, is talking to at least one other team about taking on Calderon and is expected to receive a second-round pick from Toronto as part of the deal.
The Raptors, sources said, are expected to take on Grizzlies reserve center Hamed Haddadi in addition to Gay.
The Dallas Mavericks are the other most likely landing spot for Calderon, but sources said Dallas is resistant to parting with Vince Carter, Memphis' prime target on the Mavs' roster.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8898673/sources-memphis-grizzlies-agree-principle-trade-rudy-gay-toronto-raptors
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We posted the link at the same time lol
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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8898673/sources-memphis-grizzlies-agree-principle-trade-rudy-gay-toronto-raptors
Wonder where Calderon ends up?
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Memphis officials spent day calling around to do background on Detroit's Tayshaun Prince, sources tell Y!
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Huhhmmmmmmmmm ... Who goes where........
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At @USATODAY Sports: Rudy Gay's time in Memphis comes to an end-Detroit, Boston, Dallas in mix for Jose Calderon
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It's Hamed Haddadi time in Memphis! :)
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At @USATODAY Sports: Rudy Gay's time in Memphis comes to an end-Detroit, Boston, Dallas in mix for Jose Calderon
I'd love Calderon here but we'd have to trade Bass to take on the contract right?
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At @USATODAY Sports: Rudy Gay's time in Memphis comes to an end-Detroit, Boston, Dallas in mix for Jose Calderon
I'd love Calderon here but we'd have to trade Bass to take on the contract right?
Just to get rid of Brandon Bass for an expiring contract would be a home run for Boston.
To get a quality starting point guard like Jose Calderon to boot? Incredible.
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Griz sending Gay/Haddadi to Raptors for Ed Davis/2013 2nd round pick. Raps sending Jose Calderon to Detroit or Dallas for Prince or Carter
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Bad trade for all 3 teams involved..
Who going to take the SF spot at Memphis??
Toronto are loaded at the SF and SG spot now
Detroit has Brandon Knight at starting PG
I think with Ed Davis to Memphis, u will see Zach traded.
Toronto has Rudy Gay, Demar DeRozan, Landry Fields, Alan Anderson, Terrence Ross
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Griz sending Gay/Haddadi to Raptors for Ed Davis/2013 2nd round pick. Raps sending Jose Calderon to Detroit or Dallas for Prince or Carter
So Stuckey suddenly becomes available?
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Amick's article mentions Paul Pierce...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/01/30/memphis-grizzlies-toronto-raptors-rudy-gay-jose-calderon/1878417/
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Amick's article mentions Paul Pierce...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/01/30/memphis-grizzlies-toronto-raptors-rudy-gay-jose-calderon/1878417/
There is no way Danny trades PP for Calderon...
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Amick's article mentions Paul Pierce...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/01/30/memphis-grizzlies-toronto-raptors-rudy-gay-jose-calderon/1878417/
I know it's just speculation, but trading Pierce for Calderon is beyond dumb.
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How about Pierce for Randolph? The Grizz now have Davis, Gasol, and Arthur. Where will Davis fit?
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ESPN sources say Pistons poised to send both Tayshaun Prince and Austin Daye to Grizzlies to acquire Jose Calderon as part of Rudy Gay deal
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Basically... http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a6r3dzu (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a6r3dzu)
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FINAL DEAL IS OUT.
Raptors get: Rudy Gay, Hamed Haddadi, 2nd round pick (DET)
Grizzlies get: Ed Davis, Tayshuan Prince, Austin Daye
Pistons get: Jose Calderon
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Source says Grizzlies will complete 3 team trade w/Toronto by dealing Jose Calderon to Detroit for Tayshaun Prince and second round pick.
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Source says Grizzlies will complete 3 team trade w/Toronto by dealing Jose Calderon to Detroit for Tayshaun Prince and second round pick.
Not Austin Daye then?
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FINAL DEAL IS OUT.
Raptors get: Rudy Gay, Hamed Haddadi, 2nd round pick (DET)
Grizzlies get: Ed Davis, Tayshuan Prince, Austin Daye
Pistons get: Jose Calderon
well i stand corrected..i like memphis deal though Gay is best player involved..Prince and Davis will help
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So now the Raps have Haddadi AND Gray, the two most 1-dimensional, gigantic, hack-and-rebound centers in the league.
Go Raptors. totally BADASS
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Source says Grizzlies will complete 3 team trade w/Toronto by dealing Jose Calderon to Detroit for Tayshaun Prince and second round pick.
Not Austin Daye then?
Prince and Austin Daye called into coach Frank's office, and the locker room is closed. Could go down shortly
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FINAL DEAL IS OUT.
Raptors get: Rudy Gay, Hamed Haddadi, 2nd round pick (DET)
Grizzlies get: Ed Davis, Tayshuan Prince, Austin Daye
Pistons get: Jose Calderon
well i stand corrected..i like memphis deal though Gay is best player involved..Prince and Davis will help
But how does Davis help? He'll be stuck behind Gasol and Randolph, and possibly Arthur as well. Not many minutes there.
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Griz sending Gay/Haddadi to Raptors for Ed Davis/2013 2nd round pick. Raps sending Jose Calderon to Detroit or Dallas for Prince or Carter
So Stuckey suddenly becomes available?
indeed, what becomes of stuckey now? Or does Calderon play hybrid SG?
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I like it for the Raptors. Rudy Gay was turning the corner in the '10-'11 season before he hurt his shoulder. After that, Z-Bo emerged and the Grizzlies made their run without him, and that was kind of the end of Gay's role in Memphis. Just wasn't a good fit in their new inside-out gameplan.
I could see Toronto as a good opportunity for a fresh start for Gay. Wouldn't be surprised to see him do very well there.
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It will be interesting to see what this means for Brandon Knight in Detroit.
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Stuckey has a history with going head to head with coaches
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Hate it for the Grizz.
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PG - Lowry,
SG - DeRozan, Ross
SF - Gay, Fields
PF - Bargnani, Amir Johnson
C - Valanciounas, Gray
That is a pretty nice team. If DeRozan (or Ross) and Jonas continue to grow and become top ten players at their respective positions, in addition to Lowry (top ten PG) and Gay (top five SF), that is a squad that could make a lot of noise 2-3 years down the line.
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Prince has been with Detroit forever..see, loyalty doesnt mean anything..Pierce???
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Couple players from memphis looked shocked about the trade on twitter
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I love Tayshaun Prince. I think he will be excellent for Memphis. One of the best options Memphis could've gotten when looking to trade Rudy Gay.
Prince is on a very good contract too. Only around $6-7 million per year.
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Another example of a small market team putting money ahead of winning.
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Memphis could have done worse. Prince is a nice affordable stand-in at the 3. Ed Davis is a nice player too.
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Really happy for Tayshaun Prince. He can spend the final years of his career on a contender.
Don't like Calderon on the Pistons, though. They already have Knight, Bynum, and Stuckey.
Ed Davis and Darrel Arthur are great, athletic backups to the Gasol-ZBo frontline. I like it for Memphis.
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Interested to see if Tor keeps Gay, Derozan, and Ross
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Prince has been with Detroit forever..see, loyalty doesnt mean anything..Pierce???
Agreed....before kg there was never this consensus where pierce was entitled to retiring here.I love pierce but he's not above the franchise
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Hate it for the Grizz.
Prince is a nice fit for Memphis, but is he going to be their starter at the 3 now? The Grizzly players can't be thrilled about that.
I don't really see how the pieces fit with Davis. Memphis created a weakness at the 3 to pile Davis on to an already very good group of bigs.
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I wish all of you who are talking about the fit of Calderon would realize that the Pistons are taking him on so they can clear cap space. He's not a long term solution for them and they are not competing this year.
Memphis might have done okay. Daye and Davis are good (and cheap) prospects and Prince is on a great contract.
This was a good trade. Memphis got slightly worse on a talent level but they saved a boat load of cash. Toronto is doing a great job building a young and competitive team for the first time and Detroit is clearing out for younger players while clearing cap space.
Everybody does well here I think.
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In the Memphis system, they don't need their SF to do much more than play defense and hit open threes.
For those purposes, Prince is perfect - and costs much, much less than Gay.
Ed Davis is a nice throw-in who could help them off the bench or as an asset in another trade. Overall, I like this deal for Memphis.
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No more pierce for gay trade rumors
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Is Ed Davis a bad defender or something?
His numbers per 36 are very good.
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No more pierce for gay trade rumors
Good the Captain deserves his wish to retire as a Celtic, he's one of the all time great C's you dont deal him.
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Is Ed Davis a bad defender or something?
His numbers per 36 are very good.
He is a good team defender but too skinny as a man-to-man defender. Gets pushed around too easily. A plus team defender but a minus man-to-man defender.
His offense is still quite limited too. Weak jumper with limited range. Weak handle. Weak passer. Weak shot-creator. Most of his baskets are the garbage man variety plus some short jumpers. Offensively, skill-level is more like a center than a forward.
Ed Davis is still young but he has a long way to go. Needs to add more muscle to help him defensively and put in a lot of work to improve his offense.
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I get the Pistons want the contract, but what does that do to the playing time in Detroit?
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Is Ed Davis a bad defender or something?
His numbers per 36 are very good.
He is a good team defender but too skinny as a man-to-man defender. Gets pushed around too easily. A plus team defender but a minus man-to-man defender.
His offense is still quite limited too. Weak jumper with limited range. Weak handle. Weak passer. Weak shot-creator. Most of his baskets are the garbage man variety plus some short jumpers. Offensively, skill-level is more like a center than a forward.
Ed Davis is still young but he has a long way to go. Needs to add more muscle to help him defensively and put in a lot of work to improve his offense.
I didn't realize that (a) he is now 23, and (b) he is that skinny.
I guess his ceiling is lower than I thought. The trade makes more sense now.
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Shows the danger in giving max contracts to guys who don't deserve it. Would bet the Grizz would have liked to have kept Gay, given that they have a strong team, and a shot at going far...generally, Danny has done well in this regard.
And no more Pierce for Gay rumors :)
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I wonder if Calderon will get bought out..
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Shows the danger in giving max contracts to guys who don't deserve it. Would bet the Grizz would have liked to have kept Gay, given that they have a strong team, and a shot at going far...generally, Danny has done well in this regard.
And no more Pierce for Gay rumors :)
What was Memphis supposed to do? They let him become restricted and as a result the Nets were willing to give him one if Memphis didn't.
No different then Indiana and Portland this past season with Roy Hibbert.
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Basically... http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a6r3dzu (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a6r3dzu)
Lol you know Hollinger is smiling about his Trade Machine analysis on this one HAHA.
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Woah.. tayshaun prince has a way bigger contract than I thought he did. That's bad.
And I don't get it for Toronto. Derozan playing the 2, I guess?
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So it's a cap dump for Detroit? Get rid of Prince's three year deal for Calderon's expiring contract?
I wonder who they are planning on making a run at in the off-season. Presumably a wing player. Maybe Iguodala. He seems like a Pistons player.
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So, Memphis threw away a possible shot at a deep play-off run and saved money. A housewife style in terms of management.
Now, they don't have "that" guy anymore. They'll collapse at close games at the end.
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Dumars nailed this one. They got rid of Prince's bad contract, got rid of the waste of space that is Austin Daye, and got a decent PG with an expiring deal out of it.
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I honestly think this trade makes the Grizzlies stronger going forward. Prince is still a plus defender (I think; feel free to beat me about the head with advanced stats if I'm wrong) who can hit shots when needed, Davis gives them a good young 3rd big and a ready-made replacement for Z-Bo down the line, and Daye can carry everybody's gym bags.
They can hammer teams in the post and let Conley penetrate while Prince hits jumpers and Allen+Prince+Pondexter make a strong 3-man defensive rotation against the other team's best wings.
My biggest problem with the deal is a lot of it just replaces the role players they gave away last week.
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So it's a cap dump for Detroit? Get rid of Prince's three year deal for Calderon's expiring contract?
I wonder who they are planning on making a run at in the off-season. Presumably a wing player. Maybe Iguodala. He seems like a Pistons player.
I see the logic, but I hate the move for Detroit.
Prince was the soul of that team, the professional veteran that the younger players could emulate. He wasn't hindering the development of Drummond or Monroe; quite the contrary, he complemented them quite well. I suspect Dumars had a talk with Prince, and got his blessing to send him to a contender. Memphis gets a solid 3-and-D guy who will knock down occasional jumpers, keep the ball moving on offense, and will harrass opposing 3s on defense (Kevin Durant).
And, much like last year (trading away a 2013 1st rounder to unload Ben Gordon for an expiring deal), Dumars unnecessarily added sweetener to rid the Pistons of a long term contract. Daye is not an A-level prospect, but he has some upside. (In terms of salary filler, I'd have preferred to see Kravstov and a minimum salary rookie like English or Middleton included to make the numbers work.)
Poor Calderon. He crosses the Ambassador Bridge, and lands on another moribund team going through the motions. I hope he gets bought out or flipped for something else.
It's going to be a brutal transitional year for Pistons fans. They still have the amnesty bullet, so they could cut Villanueva, opt to release Stuckey, and go into the next season with tons of cap space to fill around Drummond, Monroe, and Knight. Of course, the last time Dumars had cap space to play with, it was a disaster.
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In fairness to Memphis... They beat San Antonio and took the Thunder to 7 with Shane Battier taking Rudy Gay's place. Last year they lose to the Clippers with Gay. They replace Gay with Prince and add Davis a nice prospect who has been averaging a double double the last month when he got to play.
Long term its a great trade for Memphis. Short term I don't think they're worse. Just different.
Basically the OKC Harden trade all over again with different names and teams.
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This was a good trade. Memphis got slightly worse on a talent level but they saved a boat load of cash. Toronto is doing a great job building a young and competitive team for the first time and Detroit is clearing out for younger players while clearing cap space.
And this isn't really a bad thing. Talent doesn't just win. Scheme and fit are a huge deal. Just ask the Lakers.
I think Memphis will be fine with those two bigs.
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So it's a cap dump for Detroit? Get rid of Prince's three year deal for Calderon's expiring contract?
I wonder who they are planning on making a run at in the off-season. Presumably a wing player. Maybe Iguodala. He seems like a Pistons player.
I see the logic, but I hate the move for Detroit.
Prince was the soul of that team, the professional veteran that the younger players could emulate. He wasn't hindering the development of Drummond or Monroe; quite the contrary, he complemented them quite well. I suspect Dumars had a talk with Prince, and got his blessing to send him to a contender. Memphis gets a solid 3-and-D guy who will knock down occasional jumpers, keep the ball moving on offense, and will harrass opposing 3s on defense (Kevin Durant).
And, much like last year (trading away a 2013 1st rounder to unload Ben Gordon for an expiring deal), Dumars unnecessarily added sweetener to rid the Pistons of a long term contract. Daye is not an A-level prospect, but he has some upside. (In terms of salary filler, I'd have preferred to see Kravstov and a minimum salary rookie like English or Middleton included to make the numbers work.)
Poor Calderon. He crosses the Ambassador Bridge, and lands on another moribund team going through the motions. I hope he gets bought out or flipped for something else.
It's going to be a brutal transitional year for Pistons fans. They still have the amnesty bullet, so they could cut Villanueva, opt to release Stuckey, and go into the next season with tons of cap space to fill around Drummond, Monroe, and Knight. Of course, the last time Dumars had cap space to play with, it was a disaster.
I don't think Prince is really a "3 and D" type of guy.
Prince shoots a good percentage from three but he is not a prolific shooter from there. He only takes around 15% of his total field goal attempts from three point range for his career. I don't think he has ever been above 20% of his total attempts for a single season.
Spacing wise, I think Memphis would've been better off pursuing more of a pure three point threat. Someone who could take 5-6 three point attempts per game. Really stretch the floor out for Z-Bo and M.Gasol in the post and for TA's slashing to keep TA on the floor for more minutes. Unfortunately, that isn't Tayshaun's game.
Tayshaun Prince is more of an all-round offensive threat. Very good ball-handler. Good passer from all areas of the court. Strong decision maker and good composure on the ball who is capable of initiating an offense as a point forward. Can run off screens. Can shoot from midrange and long two point range. Three point range. Post game. Can dribble drive. Transition offense. Probably the most well-rounded non-star player in the league. Very versatile player.
Prince is really quite a remarkable player. So rare to see a guy who is accomplished in so many different areas offensively.
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I kind of like this deal for Memphis. Gay seems like a better (but even more highly paid) Jeff Green (deceivingly good looking numbers resulting from lots of minutes and average efficiency). As someone said, they replace the role players from the last trade, but also get out of 34 million dollars of obligations at the same time. Daye is a solid-ish bench player. Prince reproduces the Battier role that was so successful a couple years ago. And Davis is a 23 year old 3rd year big putting up an 18+ PER with at 9.7/6.7/.549 (if a Celtic were doing that they'd be untradeable).
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I think all three teams won on this, for different reasons.
TPs to a lot of you. I have some deeper thoughts and opinions but pretty much all I had to say was covered by the great posts above. Some of the most thoughtful analysis I've seen on celticsblog recently, reminding me of how much of a pleasure it is to come to this site.
Thanks!
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Who, what kind of mintues and averages do you see Prince getting in Memphis?
Guys, what player is on the fantasy upswing likley available in free agency? Singler, Prince, Ed Davis, Stuckey, Tony Allen?
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What about Chris Johnson? Could he start over Prince?
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Colangelo told NBA TV he's shopping Andrea Bargnani. Has talked with agent about moving him, but won't just trade him to trade him.
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Colangelo told NBA TV he's shopping Andrea Bargnani. Has talked with agent about moving him, but won't just trade him to trade him.
I would trade him just to trade him. He's Bargnani.
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Who, what kind of mintues and averages do you see Prince getting in Memphis?
Guys, what player is on the fantasy upswing likley available in free agency? Singler, Prince, Ed Davis, Stuckey, Tony Allen?
I'd say Tayshaun numbers will pretty much be the same as the have always been before.
I'd say Stuckey is the best bet for a numbers increase. I'd expect Stuckey to start at SG alongside Singler at SF with Prince no longer there. So he should get some more minutes and more time on the ball. More shot attempts. Get back to scoring 15-17ppg instead of the 10-12ppg he is getting currently. The only worry would be Calderon forcing B.Knight into Stuckey's SG minutes. Might be worth waiting a game or two to see how that plays out.
Singler will probably see 32-34mpg now instead of 26-28mpg so he should get a slight uptick stats wise. Jerebko who hasn't been playing recently should take over the backup SF minutes with Prince + Daye gone.
I'd expect Ed Davis' numbers to go down because he won't get as many minutes in Memphis as he was getting in Toronto while Bargnani was out injured.
That's my best guess ...
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Who, what kind of mintues and averages do you see Prince getting in Memphis?
Guys, what player is on the fantasy upswing likley available in free agency? Singler, Prince, Ed Davis, Stuckey, Tony Allen?
I'd say Tayshaun numbers will pretty much be the same as the have always been before.
I'd say Stuckey is the best bet for a numbers increase. I'd expect Stuckey to start at SG alongside Singler at SF with Prince no longer there. So he should get some more minutes and more time on the ball. More shot attempts. Get back to scoring 15-17ppg instead of the 10-12ppg he is getting currently. The only worry would be Calderon forcing B.Knight into Stuckey's SG minutes. Might be worth waiting a game or two to see how that plays out.
Singler will probably see 32-34mpg now instead of 26-28mpg so he should get a slight uptick stats wise. Jerebko who hasn't been playing recently should take over the backup SF minutes with Prince + Daye gone.
I'd expect Ed Davis' numbers to go down because he won't get as many minutes in Memphis as he was getting in Toronto while Bargnani was out injured.
That's my best guess ...
TP. Pretty good one too. Based on the research I've done this is pretty spot on. Fyi - Fox Detriot is reporting that Calderon will start at the 1 and move Knight to the 2. So that will likely hurt Stcukey, like you mentioned.
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I don't know what Colangelo's thinking. His star has really fallen since Phoenix. It's looking more and more like Nash made both him and D'Antoni.
Toronto has the biggest glut of swingmen in the league. They have a max-money wing, another wing making double figures, another wing making 6 mil a season, a journey man who has played well and deserves playing time and a rookie who's showed promise but is now faced with limited playing time. With all that they still don't have a true, major difference maker in the whole group. Derozan and Gay are similar guys but with the improvements Derozan's made lately with his playmaking, I'd rather have Derozan than Gay.
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Shows the danger in giving max contracts to guys who don't deserve it. Would bet the Grizz would have liked to have kept Gay, given that they have a strong team, and a shot at going far...generally, Danny has done well in this regard.
And no more Pierce for Gay rumors :)
What was Memphis supposed to do? They let him become restricted and as a result the Nets were willing to give him one if Memphis didn't.
No different then Indiana and Portland this past season with Roy Hibbert.
There wasn't a great deal they could of done once he was signed. But I remember when they gave him the deal, it turned a lot of heads. They painted themselves into a corner IMO....let the Nets sign him, and try to win with their money tied up in Gay, DWIll, and Johnson (No Howard if that would happen)....that's not a team that goes to the ECF in my opinion.