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Title: IVERSON.
Post by: Bosstown on January 28, 2013, 12:12:14 PM
Let's just get super old now and get A.I... ::)

at least i would be somewhat entertained by that, since we're going to miss the playoffs or lose in the 1st or 2nd round anyway.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225822/Iverson_Being_Recruited_By_D_Leagues_Legends (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225822/Iverson_Being_Recruited_By_D_Leagues_Legends)
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Post by: wdleehi on January 28, 2013, 12:13:04 PM
no. 
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Bosstown on January 28, 2013, 12:17:39 PM
no.

obviously someone can't see sarcasm.
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Post by: pearljammer10 on January 28, 2013, 12:18:07 PM
Haha. I pass.
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Post by: jbaerg on January 28, 2013, 12:20:32 PM
Yes. (Not Really)
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Post by: Fred Roberts on January 28, 2013, 12:33:07 PM
too bad he's got nothing to offer.

I'm optimistic about Barbosa. Great athlete, solid scorer.
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Post by: Humble G on January 28, 2013, 06:55:25 PM
I'd give iverson a shot..... i mean the dude's career avg is 26.7 pts and 6 assts.....yes he is 37 but so is ray allen and he scored 21 on us a and only 6 pts from 3 pointers so i think Iverson could possibly still have something left and might be a better man off the bench than terry and possibly barbosa.... low risk here if he sucks cut him, do like a 10 day contract and see what he has left
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Post by: CelticConcourse on January 28, 2013, 07:11:34 PM
Haha. I pass.

Oh, the irony. :D

I would give him a chance since he's about as good as Barbosa.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Birdman on January 28, 2013, 07:13:14 PM
How old is Iverson
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Post by: Kane3387 on January 28, 2013, 07:13:58 PM
That be something to watch lol.

I'd rather pick up Delonte and continue to try and move Terry/Lee and or Bass for a Big.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 28, 2013, 07:14:30 PM
I'd give iverson a shot..... i mean the dude's career avg is 26.7 pts and 6 assts.....yes he is 37 but so is ray allen and he scored 21 on us a and only 6 pts from 3 pointers so i think Iverson could possibly still have something left and might be a better man off the bench than terry and possibly barbosa.... low risk here if he sucks cut him, do like a 10 day contract and see what he has left

If he still had anything left then he'd still be in the NBA now. He's done.
And he's shown he won't come off the bench.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Eja117 on January 28, 2013, 07:16:24 PM
AI didn't play defense before. he's definitely not doing it now. Plus I wanna keep poutiness and guns out of the locker room
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: nickagneta on January 28, 2013, 07:19:33 PM
The best way to not become drunk is to never have a drink even if its a little drink.

The best way to avoid another tedious, ridiculous, awful thread about bringing Iverson to the Celtics, is to never start one, even if it is meant as sarcasm.

Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 28, 2013, 07:19:39 PM
And he's not a PG. In that he's not going to pass the ball.


Then again my views on him are all negative. I can't stand him.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: nostar on January 28, 2013, 07:56:50 PM
You know I'd give Iverson a shot if I didn't think he would be...

"a cancer to both his team and the league"

Can't say I hate the idea though. Too many young guards to waste a spot on him. Reminds me of the Marbury move. 9/10 guys are not in the NBA for a reason.
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Post by: D Dub on January 28, 2013, 07:57:05 PM
would rather Orien Greene
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Post by: Humble G on January 28, 2013, 08:18:25 PM
And he's not a PG. In that he's not going to pass the ball.


Then again my views on him are all negative. I can't stand him.

for his career he averaged 6 assists a game and really never dropped below 4 a game any year, which would be better than terry, barbosa and bradley's assists combined, he is more of a pg than any of those three.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/366/allen-iverson
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 28, 2013, 08:24:04 PM
And he's not a PG. In that he's not going to pass the ball.


Then again my views on him are all negative. I can't stand him.

for his career he averaged 6 assists a game and really never dropped below 4 a game any year, which would be better than terry, barbosa and bradley's assists combined, he is more of a pg than any of those three.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/366/allen-iverson

What he said. He led his terrible team to the Finals and scared the Lakers big time. He is as good a leader PG as you get,
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Roy H. on January 28, 2013, 08:28:14 PM
Iverson probably has the skills to still be a successful bench player in the NBA.  He doesn't have the mentality, though.
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Post by: Humble G on January 28, 2013, 08:33:18 PM
IDKi guess i'm a sucker for comebacks and would love to see him get on a team and avg. like 13pts and 6 asts and be a "vet" off the bench. Yes he is a bit of a headcase and could tear a locker room apart(no way he could tear Boston's, KG would eat him alive and not even need any milk) but he is one of the greatest scorers of my time (i'm only 22)and was fun to watch......i'm guilty for wanting to give someone a second (or twentieth try) hoping they can be something positive.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: OttawaCeltic on January 28, 2013, 08:49:05 PM
I am all out for AI coming back for a vet min!
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: csfansince60s on January 28, 2013, 09:08:45 PM
Don't think we need a 5th combo guard, we have 4.

6 assists may be more combined than our guards together (I do doubt that) but that's with Rondo. Without Rondo all their assists go up.

Always thought about given AI a shot, but he's cooked and even if he wasn't totally cooked, we don't need anothe 1/2 when 3 of them are more athletic than him now.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 28, 2013, 09:12:09 PM
I've always been a Pro-Iverson poster here...I just don't know how much he has left in his tank, now.

He's what? 35 or 36?

Has he been working out?

Last I saw from him was that he was banged up a bit from a stint overseas.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 28, 2013, 09:16:50 PM
Wouldn't that be a story:

"Rondo out for the year - but Allen Iverson saves the day for the C's!"

Celtics VS Lakers in the 2013 NBA Finals.

Payback from 2009-10 - but with Iverson in Green.

I'd LOVE that.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: cletus1985 on January 28, 2013, 09:57:58 PM
Can we sign Marbury, Steve Francis,  and McGrady too? We could field the 1999 all star team.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 28, 2013, 10:01:00 PM
Iverson needs taken to the glue factory.  Who needs a volume shooter that can't play any more.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/28/d-league-texas-legends-covet-allen-iverson-report-says/1872581/

This is D league folks, he next to the dictionary by "has been."
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 28, 2013, 10:01:13 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/64263_483209835069652_729190703_n.jpg)
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: RebusRankin on January 28, 2013, 10:02:10 PM
Forget AI, I want a Sherman Douglas/Jon Bagley combo.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 28, 2013, 10:02:22 PM
This is D league folks, he next to the dictionary by "has been."

Actually, he'd be between ivermectin and ives.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 28, 2013, 10:26:13 PM
I'd have to stop watching the Celtics if AI was on our team. That is until he was gone. That's home much I can't stand him.


Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: GreenNote on January 28, 2013, 10:34:13 PM
Iverson probably has the skills to still be a successful bench player in the NBA.  He doesn't have the mentality, though.

I agree fully. If Mike James can do it (turning 37 in June) SO can AI
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Edgar on January 29, 2013, 01:15:56 AM
That be something to watch lol.

I'd rather pick up Delonte and continue to try and move Terry/Lee and or Bass for a Big.

yay++

my boy
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: pp34isthe1 on January 29, 2013, 01:39:02 AM
Iverson would atleast make this season interesting instead of a crap shoot. Im all for it. Heck of a story line. Imagine if the team started getting on another hot roll into the playoffs with him. You cant make that stuff up.

Sadly, I dont think AI can ball anymore. Maybe this potential D-league stint can change peoples minds.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: snowball on January 29, 2013, 09:48:37 AM
No. He doesn't have the legs, and has not
had the legs which made him great for
10 years.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: moiso on January 29, 2013, 10:18:33 AM
He hasn't been any good since 2007/2008.  That's an incredibly long time ago.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: scaryjerry on January 29, 2013, 10:19:29 AM
how about Antoine walker too
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: ewp on January 29, 2013, 11:23:40 AM
Bring him in for some workouts, no joke.  What's the worst thing that can happen?  Do we need another 1/2?  Probably not, but I would be open to the C's working him out and seeing where he would stand in our current depth chart.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Humble G on January 29, 2013, 11:25:12 AM
Bring him in for some workouts, no joke.  What's the worst thing that can happen?  Do we need another 1/2?  Probably not, but I would be open to the C's working him out and seeing where he would stand in our current depth chart.

Thank you! TP my thoughts exactly
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: nickagneta on January 29, 2013, 11:51:55 AM
The Celtics are not bringing Iverson in even for a look. They haven't done it anytime since Iverson left the NBA. That was years ago.

Arguments can be made that the C's have needed a backup PG for years and yet Iverson was never brought in.

If they didn't bring him in when he was closer to NBA shape, much younger and skill having some NBA skills what in the God Green world of Celtics basketball makes ANYONE think they will do it now?

Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: slamtheking on January 29, 2013, 12:04:04 PM
Iverson? IVERSON?!!  Are we still talking about Iverson??


(said to the tune of his famously stupid 'practice' rant)
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: D.o.s. on January 29, 2013, 01:17:09 PM
From his twitter:

Allen Iverson ‏@alleniverson
I thank Donnie and Dallas for the consideration and while I think the D-League is a great opportunity, it is not the route for me.

I realize my actions contributed to my early departure from the NBA, should God provide me another opportunity I will give it my all

My dream has always been to complete my legacy in the NBA

To my fans, I love yall! Not a day goes by that I am not asked when am I coming back, we all must accept my return is not up to just me.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 29, 2013, 01:23:06 PM
We need a big too. Now that we've all gone nuts and want old people why not call up Robert Parish?

AI's ego is so big he thinks the D-League is beneath him. We don't need anyone like that now.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: ewp on January 29, 2013, 01:40:22 PM
The Celtics are not bringing Iverson in even for a look. They haven't done it anytime since Iverson left the NBA. That was years ago.

Arguments can be made that the C's have needed a backup PG for years and yet Iverson was never brought in.

If they didn't bring him in when he was closer to NBA shape, much younger and skill having some NBA skills what in the God Green world of Celtics basketball makes ANYONE think they will do it now?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that I would bring him in for a look if he were interested.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: thirstyboots18 on January 29, 2013, 02:34:07 PM
I just saw this thread...I knew, somehow, that it would happen though.  Now I am going back to bed with a bottle of asperin and an ice pack.   Thanks, much.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: KG_ended_Bias on January 29, 2013, 03:34:46 PM
I would bet my house & car A.I. could be a better fit in Jason Terry's role in our system & run circles around Terry as a player also right now. We have a gaping hole at PG-SG & in my eyes it wouldn't hurt to bring him in for a workout.
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Post by: nickagneta on January 29, 2013, 03:54:09 PM
I would bet my house & car A.I. could be a better fit in Jason Terry's role in our system & run circles around Terry as a player also right now. We have a gaping hole at PG-SG & in my eyes it wouldn't hurt to bring him in for a workout.
Hmmmm. I could always use another house and car....nah. Too easy. Like taking candy from a baby. ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: mikestar on January 29, 2013, 03:55:26 PM
Why the hell not? I have always wanted to see him in a Cs uni (bash away).

Wouldn't hurt the gate and would sell some jerseys & tees.

They are going nowhere this year as is so why not at least work him out?
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 29, 2013, 05:29:02 PM
Some of the comments here are....interesting.

Would some of you stop being Celtics Fans if he does in fact end up in BOS?
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Post by: Jon on January 29, 2013, 05:44:56 PM
Prior to the Rondo injury, I would've totally shot this idea down.  At this point, I'd say it's worth a shot if Danny plans on riding this out and not blowing the team up. 

I'll fully admit that it's quite unlikely he works out.  However, he's 37, not 47, so it's not like there's zero chance he could do something.  Nash and Hill are older than him, Ray is the same age, and KG and PP aren't far behind. 

At this point, what's the harm?  If there's even a 1% chance we can catch lightning in a bottle and make some sort of run, I say it's worth a shot.  What have we got to lose at this point? 
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 05:53:46 PM
Ain't noth'n t' lose, e prolly ain't gettin' Od'n eh'more so get 'em 'fo' they gone fo' good. Sign Iv'son!
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 29, 2013, 05:53:56 PM
lol...for a man who made David Stern a LOT of money in the early 2000's....Allen Iverson seems to take a LOT of flack.

Some of it is his own doing....others? Not so much.

All I know is that The Legendary Red Auerbach once coveted this man. And I'd bet that if Red were alive today, he'd STILL covet Allen Iverson.

I bet that man has a chip on his shoulder the size of Mount Everest by now.

Red was always about guys with something to prove...he could make someone like Iverson work. Iverson supposedly did everything he asked of him when Red coached the All-Star game in the early 2000's.

And what did AI say after the game?

"It was an honor to play for you."

I have just about nothing in common with AI...don't even know the man.

But I'd absolutely LOVE for him to go out a Winner.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: thirstyboots18 on January 29, 2013, 06:03:46 PM
Some of the comments here are....interesting.

Would some of you stop being Celtics Fans if he does in fact end up in BOS?
Iverson is not a big enough man to drive me away from my Celtics.  I would, however, advise my friends on the Blog to invest in companies that manufacture aspirin.

Add Howard to that, and I might have to consider...  :'(
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 29, 2013, 06:09:24 PM
Some of the comments here are....interesting.

Would some of you stop being Celtics Fans if he does in fact end up in BOS?
I'd still be a fan of the Celtics. But I would NEVER pull for that jerk. And I couldn't watch them as long as that trash ball played for them.

It was hard enough watching Shaq and Rasheed wallace on the team for  a year.

I'd rather have Bill Laimbeer or Kobe on the Celtics then AI. And that's saying something!
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 29, 2013, 06:09:55 PM
Some of the comments here are....interesting.

Would some of you stop being Celtics Fans if he does in fact end up in BOS?
Iverson is not a big enough man to drive me away from my Celtics.  I would, however, advise my friends on the Blog to invest in companies that manufacture aspirin.

Add Howard to that, and I might have to consider...  :'(

Why the aspirin?

You think AI would be a headache for us?

Stephon Marbury wasn't. His last days as an NBA player were valiantly served helping us in the playoffs in 08-09.

Imagine that - Marbury was perhaps a KG or Leon Powe injury away from his 1st championship.

The vast majority of "Interesting Players" that have come through BOS over the years have panned out...Sheed...Marbury...Shaq..(I mentioned Shaq because there were a few here who questioned his weight and health).

But Shaq played his tail off for the Boston Celtics - literally. Until he couldn't play anymore.

Why not AI?

I'd trust Danny and Doc if this happened.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 29, 2013, 06:19:20 PM
Some of the comments here are....interesting.

Would some of you stop being Celtics Fans if he does in fact end up in BOS?
I'd still be a fan of the Celtics. But I would NEVER pull for that jerk. And I couldn't watch them as long as that trash ball played for them.

It was hard enough watching Shaq and Rasheed wallace on the team for  a year.

I'd rather have Bill Laimbeer or Kobe on the Celtics then AI. And that's saying something!

And the funny thing with Bill Laimbeer is that - to my knowledge - NONE of his former teammates have had ANY thing bad to say about him...Isiah, Dumars, Mahorn, Salley....they seemed to love him.

I hated Laimbeer's physical play from time to time - especially vs BOS. But his teammates LOVED him.

Shaq? He only manned the middle during perhaps BOS's best run over the last few years....we were like 40-11 at one time with him, and looked absolutely unbeatable.

Sheed? He seemed to be disinterested in the reg season, but he, too - played his tail off in the playoffs, and in that memorable game 7 in LA he played valiantly.

I have no doubt that AI would help us if Danny and Doc chose that route.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 29, 2013, 06:23:49 PM
I was naming players that I can't stand. Even have 100% pure sports hate for.
And AI is just about at the top of that list. I can't stand him so much that even
if he won us a ring I'm not sure I could watch.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 29, 2013, 06:25:37 PM
I was naming players that I can't stand. Even have 100% pure sports hate for.
And AI is just about at the top of that list. I can't stand him so much that even
if he won us a ring I'm not sure I could watch.

Why the hate?

Just curious.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: scaryjerry on January 29, 2013, 06:27:00 PM
Some of the comments here are....interesting.

Would some of you stop being Celtics Fans if he does in fact end up in BOS?

obviously not....don't see any point in signing him though
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: anthony83 on January 29, 2013, 06:45:13 PM
AI is better at this point and 37, he's better than 90% of guards in the league. If Nash, Hill, Stackhouse are in the league. Why not AI?
I think AI would be a great substitute for Rondo, Bradley,Terry and Lee, they aren't point guards, AI can to play 20-25 minutes easily and still he can to score 15 points and 5 assist, I'm sure.
Game and Nba need old schools and Allen Iverson.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 29, 2013, 06:53:35 PM
I was naming players that I can't stand. Even have 100% pure sports hate for.
And AI is just about at the top of that list. I can't stand him so much that even
if he won us a ring I'm not sure I could watch.

Why the hate?

Just curious.
At 17 he was charged for hitting a woman in the head with a chair in a bowling alley fight. Classy
Didn't like his coach Chris Ford. So he missed practice, missed games for being "sick" without telling Ford and refused to come off the bench and wouldn't play.
He wanted to get into a VIP room at a club but someone was in there. So his bodyguard beat the ever loving stuffing out of the man. Sure, AI didn't do it himself. But he didn't stop his guy from doing it.
He was arrested for drugs and carrying a concealed weapon.
And lets not forget about "practice." If you can't work with your team and like Bird, Magic and MJ did even if you really don't need the practice yourself then you'll never be a champion. Oh, that's right....... he never was!

As great as AI was at putting a ball in a basket, as a person he was a scum bag from what I could see. And I'm not one to look past what people do off the court and like them just because they're good at basketball. Sure, I could find something bad about anyone including myself if I looked long and hard enough. But you don't have to look hard at all to see the problems with AI. He's known as a cancer for a reason. And current NBA teams don't want him for a reason too.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: kg is king on January 29, 2013, 06:56:38 PM
AI is better at this point and 37, he's better than 90% of guards in the league. If Nash, Hill, Stackhouse are in the league. Why not AI?
I think AI would be a great substitute for Rondo, Bradley,Terry and Lee, they aren't point guards, AI can to play 20-25 minutes easily and still he can to score 15 points and 5 assist, I'm sure.
Game and Nba need old schools and Allen Iverson.
Unless we're trying to make Boston the hot spot for early 2000s all stars, I am against bringing in AI. Unlike Nash, Hill, and Stackhouse, AI's game was heavily reliant on his blazing quickness/speed. Nash never had elite athleticism, rather, he knows the game inside and out and is a skillful player. AI's skills (getting by the defender, hitting acrobatic shots) went down the drain when he found out he could not get by anyone and finish over anyone at will. That's why he's out of the league since 2010. So if a 34 year old AI couldn't stay in the league, what makes you optimistic that he can at age 37?
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 29, 2013, 06:57:20 PM
AI is better at this point and 37, he's better than 90% of guards in the league. If Nash, Hill, Stackhouse are in the league. Why not AI?
I think AI would be a great substitute for Rondo, Bradley,Terry and Lee, they aren't point guards, AI can to play 20-25 minutes easily and still he can to score 15 points and 5 assist, I'm sure.
Game and Nba need old schools and Allen Iverson.
People age different. Just because one guy can do it at one age in no way means someone else can too. It's possible he could still do it. But if so then why are no teams looking at him? If you're a bad team with empty seats then why in the world wouldn't you even look at someone like him who could sell tickets?
My gut tells me that AI must be done or so close to done that people wouldn't want to deal with all the BS that surounds him.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 29, 2013, 06:59:06 PM
AI is better at this point and 37, he's better than 90% of guards in the league. If Nash, Hill, Stackhouse are in the league. Why not AI?
I think AI would be a great substitute for Rondo, Bradley,Terry and Lee, they aren't point guards, AI can to play 20-25 minutes easily and still he can to score 15 points and 5 assist, I'm sure.
Game and Nba need old schools and Allen Iverson.
Unless we're trying to make Boston the hot spot for early 2000s all stars, I am against bringing in AI. Unlike Nash, Hill, and Stackhouse, AI's game was heavily reliant on his blazing quickness/speed. Nash never had elite athleticism, rather, he knows the game inside and out and is a skillful player. AI's skills (getting by the defender, hitting acrobatic shots) went down the drain when he found out he could not get by anyone and finish over anyone at will. That's why he's out of the league since 2010. So if a 34 year old AI couldn't stay in the league, what makes you optimistic that he can at age 37?

This too. It's one of my fears about Rondo. So much of what he brings depends on his speed. So when that's gone one day he's not known for his shooting.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 29, 2013, 07:06:11 PM
The interesting thing with AI is that IF he came to BOS now, he'd be coming into perhaps his most complete team EVER.

He'd have a future HOF Big in KG and another future HOF Celtic in Pierce.

Rondo is another probable HOFer...he'd be on the sidelines, but ever present.

He'd have Doc and Danny - both winners as players AND Coaches/GMs.

He have talented and intelligent youth (Sullinger, Green, AB, Bass, Lee).

He'd have battle-tested vet leadership on the bench (Jet).

Has AI EVER had that much in DEN or PHI?
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 29, 2013, 07:24:34 PM
I was naming players that I can't stand. Even have 100% pure sports hate for.
And AI is just about at the top of that list. I can't stand him so much that even
if he won us a ring I'm not sure I could watch.

Why the hate?

Just curious.
At 17 he was charged for hitting a woman in the head with a chair in a bowling alley fight. Classy
Didn't like his coach Chris Ford. So he missed practice, missed games for being "sick" without telling Ford and refused to come off the bench and wouldn't play.
He wanted to get into a VIP room at a club but someone was in there. So his bodyguard beat the ever loving stuffing out of the man. Sure, AI didn't do it himself. But he didn't stop his guy from doing it.
He was arrested for drugs and carrying a concealed weapon.
And lets not forget about "practice." If you can't work with your team and like Bird, Magic and MJ did even if you really don't need the practice yourself then you'll never be a champion. Oh, that's right....... he never was!

As great as AI was at putting a ball in a basket, as a person he was a scum bag from what I could see. And I'm not one to look past what people do off the court and like them just because they're good at basketball. Sure, I could find something bad about anyone including myself if I looked long and hard enough. But you don't have to look hard at all to see the problems with AI. He's known as a cancer for a reason. And current NBA teams don't want him for a reason too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZykFbXQOYro

AI has had controversy surrounding him - no question about it.

But no one's perfect.

We ALL have Good AND Bad in us...it's sad that with AI he is often associated with the bad - and that is not fair.

If you look hard enough in most people - you will find good.

And bad.

What will we focus on?
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 29, 2013, 07:33:47 PM
I said that if you look hard enough you can find bad about anyone. Some people you don't need to look hard at all. You just look right at them. To me AI is one of those people.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 29, 2013, 07:36:54 PM
I said that if you look hard enough you can find bad about anyone. Some people you don't need to look hard at all. You just look right at them. To me AI is one of those people.

So you chose to focus on the controversy, then.

That is your choice, and right.

For me, I choose to try to find some good in people.

If people would've focused on "my" bad, then I would've never made it in life.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 07:42:17 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: moiso on January 29, 2013, 07:54:46 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
At least KG has always played the game the right way in my opinion.  And he's always been a great teammate and a hard worker.  Iverson never played the game the right way in my opinion... unless jacking up 30 shots per game at a low percentage and playing zero defense is the right way.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 07:56:19 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
At least KG has always played the game the right way in my opinion.  And he's always been a great teammate and a hard worker.  Iverson never played the game the right way in my opinion... unless jacking up 30 shots per game at a low percentage and playing zero defense is the right way.

And being named MVP.

And leading your terrible team to the Finals and singlehandedly beating the Lakers once and almost twice or thrice.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: anthony83 on January 29, 2013, 08:00:56 PM
AI is better at this point and 37, he's better than 90% of guards in the league. If Nash, Hill, Stackhouse are in the league. Why not AI?
I think AI would be a great substitute for Rondo, Bradley,Terry and Lee, they aren't point guards, AI can to play 20-25 minutes easily and still he can to score 15 points and 5 assist, I'm sure.
Game and Nba need old schools and Allen Iverson.
Unless we're trying to make Boston the hot spot for early 2000s all stars, I am against bringing in AI. Unlike Nash, Hill, and Stackhouse, AI's game was heavily reliant on his blazing quickness/speed. Nash never had elite athleticism, rather, he knows the game inside and out and is a skillful player. AI's skills (getting by the defender, hitting acrobatic shots) went down the drain when he found out he could not get by anyone and finish over anyone at will. That's why he's out of the league since 2010. So if a 34 year old AI couldn't stay in the league, what makes you optimistic that he can at age 37?
I disagree, when AI returned to Sixers in 2010; his game was different, I repeat you, if Nash is in the game, AI must to be, this is evident.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 29, 2013, 08:08:05 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
You want to know the truth? I'm not the worlds biggest KG fan. Never have been. I'd take T. Duncan over him every time without a doubt. I like many of the things that KG brings to the court but you're correct, he's done some bad things. Most of them way in the past and he's grown out of them. Not so sure about AI yet on that one.

But I don't question KG's motivation in basketball. I don't question his desire to win and do what's best for the team. Or his work ethic or loyalty to his team. I do question AI with these things.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 29, 2013, 08:10:20 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
At least KG has always played the game the right way in my opinion.  And he's always been a great teammate and a hard worker.  Iverson never played the game the right way in my opinion... unless jacking up 30 shots per game at a low percentage and playing zero defense is the right way.

And being named MVP.

And leading your terrible team to the Finals and singlehandedly beating the Lakers once and almost twice or thrice.
Leading a team out of the east wasn't so difficult back then. A team with Antoine Walker almost did it!
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 29, 2013, 08:14:11 PM
AI is better at this point and 37, he's better than 90% of guards in the league. If Nash, Hill, Stackhouse are in the league. Why not AI?
I think AI would be a great substitute for Rondo, Bradley,Terry and Lee, they aren't point guards, AI can to play 20-25 minutes easily and still he can to score 15 points and 5 assist, I'm sure.
Game and Nba need old schools and Allen Iverson.
Unless we're trying to make Boston the hot spot for early 2000s all stars, I am against bringing in AI. Unlike Nash, Hill, and Stackhouse, AI's game was heavily reliant on his blazing quickness/speed. Nash never had elite athleticism, rather, he knows the game inside and out and is a skillful player. AI's skills (getting by the defender, hitting acrobatic shots) went down the drain when he found out he could not get by anyone and finish over anyone at will. That's why he's out of the league since 2010. So if a 34 year old AI couldn't stay in the league, what makes you optimistic that he can at age 37?
I disagree, when AI returned to Sixers in 2010; his game was different, I repeat you, if Nash is in the game, AI must to be, this is evident.
I don't see why. Nash and AI don't play the same way at all.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: nickagneta on January 29, 2013, 08:35:31 PM
You guys were around in the late 90's and early 2000's right?

You remember Iverson jacking shots up regardless of whether a team mate was open and had a better shot right?

You remember Iverson not wanting to practice and making his now famous comments, right?

You remember him butting heads with just about every coach he had and disregarding plays the coaches wanted run so he could play his game, right?

You remember his Rondo like defense of playing the passing lanes, letting less talented and less athletically gifted players go right by him and only playing some defense when he felt like it right?

You remember the early in the shot clock three pointers, the ridiculous drives to the basket without dumping it down to an open big, the pull up shots in traffic while triple teamed, right?

You remember how he alienated so so many of his team mates and how after leaving Philly, just getting worse and worse but still expecting a 30 shot a night role, right?

You remember him giving up on Detroit because his coach wanted him playing a lesser role, right?

You remember him saying he would play off the bench in Memphis but then leaving the team when he didn't get his way right?

You remember his going back to Philly promising to be good after being a last chance and then blowing that by leaving them high and dry, right?

You remember the horrible example he set for younger players and how he never gelled with any other good to great player to produce a title competing club, right?

Basically, Iverson was all about AI and about the least "team" oriented player in maybe the history of the game. Why admire that? Why want that on your team? Why would any coach want someone like that on their team?

Stop remembering his toughness or the way he brought in the gangsta brand of basketball player, which was so popular amongst teens during his era. Start remembering all the extra stuff he brought that current day players, coaches and GMs just won't put up with.

Sorry there is exactly ZERO proof this man has changed his attitude. Why even think about risking losing your coach or players or locker room or risk his attitude effecting your younger players.

I want my youngsters exposed to the Pierces, Allens, and Garnetts of the world and I never want AI anywhere near a young player signed to my team.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 08:45:46 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
At least KG has always played the game the right way in my opinion.  And he's always been a great teammate and a hard worker.  Iverson never played the game the right way in my opinion... unless jacking up 30 shots per game at a low percentage and playing zero defense is the right way.

And being named MVP.

And leading your terrible team to the Finals and singlehandedly beating the Lakers once and almost twice or thrice.
Leading a team out of the east wasn't so difficult back then. A team with Antoine Walker almost did it!

Because MVP is an award only given to Eastern Conference players.

The East wasn't that bad, and Iverson got his team to the Finals literally himself, no help really.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: thirstyboots18 on January 29, 2013, 08:50:01 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
I will be a fan of whomever I choose, CelticConcourse.  KG is a Team Player.  I choose to see the good in Rondo, (he is still improving), and eagerly await for his return.  AI, to me, is very similar to Dwight Howard...a good player who needs control but has none, and won't accept coaching leadership.  I just do not believe that he would fit in well with Doc Rivers "trust your team" mentality.  And whether of not he would give the Celtics a headache, it gives me one just considering him on the team!   :-\  I will refrain from telling you who you should like or dislike.  You're welcome.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: nickagneta on January 29, 2013, 08:54:48 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
I will be a fan of whomever I choose, CelticConcourse.  KG is a Team Player.  I choose to see the good in Rondo, (he is still improving), and eagerly await for his return.  AI, to me, is very similar to Dwight Howard...a good player who needs control but has none, and won't accept coaching leadership.  I just do not believe that he would fit in well with Doc Rivers "trust your team" mentality.  And whether of not he would give the Celtics a headache, it gives me one just considering him on the team!   :-\  I will refrain from telling you who you should like or dislike.  You're welcome.
TP
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 29, 2013, 09:01:19 PM
On CelticsBlog, Allen Iverson has, and always will be - looked at markedly different from both sides.

I have a fear that the Blog will probably ignite in a Bright Green Mushroom cloud if he came to BOS right now.

 ;D
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 09:04:15 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
I will be a fan of whomever I choose, CelticConcourse.  KG is a Team Player.  I choose to see the good in Rondo, (he is still improving), and eagerly await for his return.  AI, to me, is very similar to Dwight Howard...a good player who needs control but has none, and won't accept coaching leadership.  I just do not believe that he would fit in well with Doc Rivers "trust your team" mentality.  And whether of not he would give the Celtics a headache, it gives me one just considering him on the team!   :-\  I will refrain from telling you who you should like or dislike.  You're welcome.

Then don't prevent us from wanting to sign AI, who is a team player as well, averaging 6.2 assists per game and never less than 4.6. He once got 7.9 apg. We thought Blatche had problems and look how good he is now for cheap. Rondo is out for the year and signing AI for opt he rest of this year impacts nothing to Rondo. He is basically a better Barbosa and he has control, as you saw she he payed in Philly in 2010. Just because he used to be crazy doesn't mean he still is and plus, KG is seen as crazy by many,

I love KG and there's no reason AI can't be the same. Give him a chance and I don't care if you tell me who to like, because I would listen, not ignore you. You can learn from demands,
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: moiso on January 29, 2013, 09:08:26 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
At least KG has always played the game the right way in my opinion.  And he's always been a great teammate and a hard worker.  Iverson never played the game the right way in my opinion... unless jacking up 30 shots per game at a low percentage and playing zero defense is the right way.

And being named MVP.

And leading your terrible team to the Finals and singlehandedly beating the Lakers once and almost twice or thrice.
Singlehandedly?  Thats a joke.  The only reason that team did better than the other sixers teams is that just about every rotation player was happy playing great defense, playing their roles, and tolerating Iverson shooting a mllion times. Throughout his career, whenever Iverson had teammates that wanted to score they clashed and the teams sucked.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 09:13:55 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
At least KG has always played the game the right way in my opinion.  And he's always been a great teammate and a hard worker.  Iverson never played the game the right way in my opinion... unless jacking up 30 shots per game at a low percentage and playing zero defense is the right way.

And being named MVP.

And leading your terrible team to the Finals and singlehandedly beating the Lakers once and almost twice or thrice.
Singlehandedly?  Thats a joke.  The only reason that team did better than the other sixers teams is that just about every rotation player was happy playing great defense, playing their roles, and tolerating Iverson shooting a mllion times. Throughout his career, whenever Iverson had teammates that wanted to score they clashed and the teams sucked.

How did he get 7 assists per game if his teammates did not shoot?
Did Iverson get all 90 to 110 points in the games the 76ers played? Nope, only around 30. The rest of the points came from magic.
Coexisting with Iggy, the non-scorer, yep.

Iverson could coexist with scoring teammates.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: thirstyboots18 on January 29, 2013, 09:23:59 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
I will be a fan of whomever I choose, CelticConcourse.  KG is a Team Player.  I choose to see the good in Rondo, (he is still improving), and eagerly await for his return.  AI, to me, is very similar to Dwight Howard...a good player who needs control but has none, and won't accept coaching leadership.  I just do not believe that he would fit in well with Doc Rivers "trust your team" mentality.  And whether of not he would give the Celtics a headache, it gives me one just considering him on the team!   :-\  I will refrain from telling you who you should like or dislike.  You're welcome.

Then don't prevent us from wanting to sign AI, who is a team player as well, averaging 6.2 assists per game and never less than 4.6. He once got 7.9 apg. We thought Blatche had problems and look how good he is now for cheap. Rondo is out for the year and signing AI for opt he rest of this year impacts nothing to Rondo. He is basically a better Barbosa and he has control, as you saw she he payed in Philly in 2010. Just because he used to be crazy doesn't mean he still is and plus, KG is seen as crazy by many,

I love KG and there's no reason AI can't be the same. Give him a chance and I don't care if you tell me who to like, because I would listen, not ignore you. You can learn from demands,
Excuse me, but how did I prevent you from wanting Iverson here?   I said that I do not.  I never said "we"...you did....but you  are acting like I am single handedly preventing the team from signing him.   Didn't realize I was so powerful, I guess.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 09:29:11 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
I will be a fan of whomever I choose, CelticConcourse.  KG is a Team Player.  I choose to see the good in Rondo, (he is still improving), and eagerly await for his return.  AI, to me, is very similar to Dwight Howard...a good player who needs control but has none, and won't accept coaching leadership.  I just do not believe that he would fit in well with Doc Rivers "trust your team" mentality.  And whether of not he would give the Celtics a headache, it gives me one just considering him on the team!   :-\  I will refrain from telling you who you should like or dislike.  You're welcome.

Then don't prevent us from wanting to sign AI, who is a team player as well, averaging 6.2 assists per game and never less than 4.6. He once got 7.9 apg. We thought Blatche had problems and look how good he is now for cheap. Rondo is out for the year and signing AI for opt he rest of this year impacts nothing to Rondo. He is basically a better Barbosa and he has control, as you saw she he payed in Philly in 2010. Just because he used to be crazy doesn't mean he still is and plus, KG is seen as crazy by many,

I love KG and there's no reason AI can't be the same. Give him a chance and I don't care if you tell me who to like, because I would listen, not ignore you. You can learn from demands,
Excuse me, but how did I prevent you from wanting Iverson here?   I said that I do not.  I never said "we"...you did....but you  are acting like I am single handedly preventing the team from signing him.   Didn't realize I was so powerful, I guess.

Then explain why you think Iverson would not be a good fit in Boston.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: nickagneta on January 29, 2013, 09:30:59 PM
Iverson could have averaged 12 assist a game if he decided to only take quality shots and played a more team oriented game.

He was about as bad of a team oriented player as this league has ever seen.

An unreal talent. A warrior's heart. Tough as nails.

And maybe the biggest ball hog and complete jerk as has ever dribbled a ball on a basketball court. This last reason is why he is no longer in the league.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: moiso on January 29, 2013, 09:31:22 PM

If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
At least KG has always played the game the right way in my opinion.  And he's always been a great teammate and a hard worker.  Iverson never played the game the right way in my opinion... unless jacking up 30 shots per game at a low percentage and playing zero defense is the right way.

And being named MVP.

And leading your terrible team to the Finals and singlehandedly beating the Lakers once and almost twice or thrice.
Singlehandedly?  Thats a joke.  The only reason that team did better than the other sixers teams is that just about every rotation player was happy playing great defense, playing their roles, and tolerating Iverson shooting a mllion times. Throughout his career, whenever Iverson had teammates that wanted to score they clashed and the teams sucked.

How did he get 7 assists per game if his teammates did not shoot?
Did Iverson get all 90 to 110 points in the games the 76ers played? Nope, only around 30. The rest of the points came from magic.
Coexisting with Iggy, the non-scorer, yep.

Iverson could coexist with scoring teammates.
Iggy is not a player who cares about scoring.  And he didn't blossom until Iverson left, anyway.  Any player who dominates the ball as much as Iverson will get 6 assists easily.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 09:35:09 PM
A self-oriented player never results in winning games when he leads the league in minutes almost every year, unless he wants to win. His teams won, despite him playing league leading minutes EIGHT times, he was a team player for sure!
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: thirstyboots18 on January 29, 2013, 09:38:30 PM
If you guys don't like AI, you shouldn't like KG either. He's done some rough stuff too, to be honest. We're all biased.
I will be a fan of whomever I choose, CelticConcourse.  KG is a Team Player.  I choose to see the good in Rondo, (he is still improving), and eagerly await for his return.  AI, to me, is very similar to Dwight Howard...a good player who needs control but has none, and won't accept coaching leadership.  I just do not believe that he would fit in well with Doc Rivers "trust your team" mentality.  And whether of not he would give the Celtics a headache, it gives me one just considering him on the team!   :-\  I will refrain from telling you who you should like or dislike.  You're welcome.

Then don't prevent us from wanting to sign AI, who is a team player as well, averaging 6.2 assists per game and never less than 4.6. He once got 7.9 apg. We thought Blatche had problems and look how good he is now for cheap. Rondo is out for the year and signing AI for opt he rest of this year impacts nothing to Rondo. He is basically a better Barbosa and he has control, as you saw she he payed in Philly in 2010. Just because he used to be crazy doesn't mean he still is and plus, KG is seen as crazy by many,

I love KG and there's no reason AI can't be the same. Give him a chance and I don't care if you tell me who to like, because I would listen, not ignore you. You can learn from demands,
Excuse me, but how did I prevent you from wanting Iverson here?   I said that I do not.  I never said "we"...you did....but you  are acting like I am single handedly preventing the team from signing him.   Didn't realize I was so powerful, I guess.

Then explain why you think Iverson would not be a good fit in Boston.
I believe  I did.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: nickagneta on January 29, 2013, 09:44:25 PM
A self-oriented player never results in winning games when he leads the league in minutes almost every year, unless he wants to win. His teams won, despite him playing league leading minutes EIGHT times, he was a team player for sure!
No he wasn't.

I have a theory on diehard Iverson fans and their view of his game. Do you mind me asking how old you are?
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: Onslaught on January 29, 2013, 10:58:34 PM
I have a theory about the ages of the people for and against him myself. I think if you grew up watching games from the 80's or before you probably don't like him all that much. And if AI was the "in" thing growing up you look at him in a good way.




The older people are the correct ones.  ;D
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: mikestar on January 29, 2013, 11:26:18 PM
I have a theory about the ages of the people for and against him myself. I think if you grew up watching games from the 80's or before you probably don't like him all that much. And if AI was the "in" thing growing up you look at him in a good way.




The older people are the correct ones.  ;D

I am 53. I'll take him.
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 11:26:27 PM
My age is irrelevant and I am not a diehard Iverson fan, but a diehard Celtics fan. I was merely suggesting we give him a go. ;D
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 29, 2013, 11:40:18 PM
I have a theory about the ages of the people for and against him myself. I think if you grew up watching games from the 80's or before you probably don't like him all that much. And if AI was the "in" thing growing up you look at him in a good way.




The older people are the correct ones.  ;D

43.

And I'm not sure what you mean about "The older ones are the correct ones."

I'll feign ignorance, for your sake.

Additionally - I've always liked AI...for pretty much the same reasons that the Legendary Red Auerbach did - Red called him a warrior, among other things.

That "fight" never leaves a player.

That same "fight" is what drives Ray Allen - the same player that almost toasted BOS last sunday.

Don't count out these "Old Heads", Young Fella ;)
Title: Re: IVERSON.
Post by: wdleehi on January 30, 2013, 09:07:15 AM
no.

obviously someone can't see sarcasm.


After reading through this thread and seeing the responses that were known to be coming (not by anyone specific but we have at least 4 AI threads a year), do you now understand my response?