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Title: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: ssspence on January 28, 2013, 11:43:17 AM
I suspect the below is one deal that will be discussed, or at least suggested from one side, between the Celts and Clips:

A Pierce to LAC trade makes some sense for both teams, but it's tricky to get a package from them that's logical for the C's. PP for expirings and Bledsoe seems a little light (though maybe not anymore), and PP for Jordan seems too heavy from LAC's perspective, despite the fact that he and Blake sharing the floor come playoff time is problematic. 

However when you add KG, the argument becomes stronger that it'd significantly improves the Clips' championship hopes. And considering the fact that you'd be trading these two greats together to an excellent competitive and personal situation (based on each's immediate relationship to the LA area), wouldn't it make some sense for both sides?

I struggle with the idea of trading KG more than any player on the Cs roster, but I believe he'd retire if the Cs 'blow it up' anyway. The Cs will also save face with FAs across the league for the positive situation they found for these two teammates under tough circumstaces.

So questions for the board:

1) Would KG waive his 'no-trade' to go with PP to LAC to join CP3, Griffin, and a nice cast of role players?
2) Would you accept a package of Jordan, Bledsoe, and expirings for the two of them?

The deal I believe would makes sense also includes Terry. See below:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aoywmzw

I'd expect Billups and / or Odom to be waived after the trade.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: CelticG1 on January 28, 2013, 11:53:39 AM
Seems pretty tough to pass up.

Id selfishly rather playout this season but if we "blow it up" this seems like decent return under the circumstances and assuming PP and KG are on board than its a good situation for them and its not like we are trading to a rival.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: Fafnir on January 28, 2013, 11:56:31 AM
I'm not a huge fan of getting Butler back, or Jordan honestly at his contract that's rough for a team that'd be rebuilding.

Bledsoe would be great if we didn't have Rondo/Bradley already.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 28, 2013, 12:00:04 PM
I would certainly accept that trade, and it would make the 2012-2013 Clippers an absurd superteam.

BUT it's a win-now move for the Clippers when, honestly, they have about a 50/50 shot at winning now anyway without giving anything up. I think they're willing to part with Bledsoe, but I think they still see themselves as building around Deandre Jordan.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 28, 2013, 12:01:40 PM
I dont see it at being very realistic but if we are in full blow up mode then it is indeed intriguing. Hate to see it happen. I think we should be able to get more for Pierce and Garnett but Im not so sure.

Battle Next year with;

Rondo/Bledsoe
Bradley/Lee
Green/Butler
Sully/Bass
Jordan/Melo

Doesnt really give us much financial flexibility in terms of signing a big named free agent. We loose Billups and Odom to expiring deals but with that lineup we are still at around 57 mil. A package of Butler's expiring and Bledsoe could attract teams in a free agent sign and trade however.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: ssspence on January 28, 2013, 12:01:41 PM
I'm not a huge fan of getting Butler back, or Jordan honestly at his contract that's rough for a team that'd be rebuilding.

Bledsoe would be great if we didn't have Rondo/Bradley already.

I'd assume you're going to trade either Bledsoe or Rondo in time. Likely Bledsoe, who would be building his value while Rondo is out.

Considering the Cs will have limited cap space for a couple of years, the upside of Butler is he gives them one expiring contract to work with this summer / next year should they wish to make a deal. Butler + Bledsoe make a nice combo in the $10mil range.

Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 28, 2013, 12:02:29 PM
We don't need a Bledsoe so basically we're..

Boston gives: PP, KG, trust to Rondo/Bradley/Sully or any player whose only been on the Celtics, this year and next 5 years' championship contending hopes

Boston gets: Deandre Jordan as only necessary piece

We don't need Bledsoe with Rondo/Bradley/Lee/Barbosa this year and likely the first three for the next few years
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: ssspence on January 28, 2013, 12:05:04 PM
We don't need a Bledsoe so basically we're..

Boston gives: PP, KG, trust to Rondo/Bradley/Sully or any player whose only been on the Celtics, this year and next 5 years' championship contending hopes

Boston gets: Deandre Jordan as only necessary piece

We don't need Bledsoe with Rondo/Bradley/Lee/Barbosa this year and likely the first three for the next few years

Needs? Rebuilding teams don't deal on need, they deal on value. And Bledsoe has value, not to mention how it will grow with all the PT he'd get in Boston.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 28, 2013, 12:13:05 PM
We don't need a Bledsoe so basically we're..

Boston gives: PP, KG, trust to Rondo/Bradley/Sully or any player whose only been on the Celtics, this year and next 5 years' championship contending hopes

Boston gets: Deandre Jordan as only necessary piece

We don't need Bledsoe with Rondo/Bradley/Lee/Barbosa this year and likely the first three for the next few years

Needs? Rebuilding teams don't deal on need, they deal on value. And Bledsoe has value, not to mention how it will grow with all the PT he'd get in Boston.

Yeah Bledsoe can be a starter and get big minutes til Rondo returns, then we can either use him as a back up point or use his value to trade for a big man.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: wdleehi on January 28, 2013, 12:14:57 PM
Don't like it.


Odom, Billups and Butler do nothing for the team.



Jordon is overpayed C that hurts the rebuilding process.



Bledsoe is not enough of a future piece for the Celtics.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: lightspeed5 on January 28, 2013, 12:18:12 PM
why would the clippers, who are the strongest contenders, want to trade ANYONE on their team?
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: ssspence on January 28, 2013, 12:25:23 PM
Don't like it.


Odom, Billups and Butler do nothing for the team.



Jordon is overpayed C that hurts the rebuilding process.



Bledsoe is not enough of a future piece for the Celtics.

Well, it's conceivable the Clips would trade Bledsoe and Odom for Pierce. Or, Butler, Bledsoe and a 1st in 2014 for Pierce.

Perhaps this is preferred. Jordan's value has really gone down in the past couple of months.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: CelticG1 on January 28, 2013, 12:26:49 PM
why would the clippers, who are the strongest contenders, want to trade ANYONE on their team?

Because this would clearly make them better?
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: wdleehi on January 28, 2013, 12:29:18 PM
Don't like it.


Odom, Billups and Butler do nothing for the team.



Jordon is overpayed C that hurts the rebuilding process.



Bledsoe is not enough of a future piece for the Celtics.

Well, it's conceivable the Clips would trade Bledsoe and Odom for Pierce. Or, Butler, Bledsoe and a 1st in 2014 for Pierce.

Perhaps this is preferred. Jordan's value has really gone down in the past couple of months.


Again, because of his position and size, Bledsoe is not the rebuilding piece the Celtics should be chasing.  An extra 1st might be nice, but it is in the range teams sometimes rather 2nd rounders. 
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: ssspence on January 28, 2013, 12:42:25 PM
Don't like it.


Odom, Billups and Butler do nothing for the team.



Jordon is overpayed C that hurts the rebuilding process.



Bledsoe is not enough of a future piece for the Celtics.

Well, it's conceivable the Clips would trade Bledsoe and Odom for Pierce. Or, Butler, Bledsoe and a 1st in 2014 for Pierce.

Perhaps this is preferred. Jordan's value has really gone down in the past couple of months.


Again, because of his position and size, Bledsoe is not the rebuilding piece the Celtics should be chasing.  An extra 1st might be nice, but it is in the range teams sometimes rather 2nd rounders.

 I strongly doubt the Cs ability to get back a better piece than Bledsoe for a 3 month Pierce rental, assuming they don't take back veteran with long-term salary (i.e. Gay or the like).
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: wdleehi on January 28, 2013, 12:44:03 PM
Don't like it.


Odom, Billups and Butler do nothing for the team.



Jordon is overpayed C that hurts the rebuilding process.



Bledsoe is not enough of a future piece for the Celtics.

Well, it's conceivable the Clips would trade Bledsoe and Odom for Pierce. Or, Butler, Bledsoe and a 1st in 2014 for Pierce.

Perhaps this is preferred. Jordan's value has really gone down in the past couple of months.


Again, because of his position and size, Bledsoe is not the rebuilding piece the Celtics should be chasing.  An extra 1st might be nice, but it is in the range teams sometimes rather 2nd rounders.

 I strongly doubt the Cs ability to get back a better piece than Bledsoe for a 3 month Pierce rental, assuming they don't take back veteran with long-term salary (i.e. Gay or the like).


Why would Pierce be a rental on a team like the Clippers? 


If a title contending team adds Pierce this season, they are going to keep him till the end of his contract.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: Who on January 28, 2013, 12:44:28 PM
No interest in D.Jordan's contract on a rebuilding team. He is the type of a guy you bring in as a final piece of the puzzle but not an initial piece that you build around.

I like Eric Bledsoe but with Rondo and Bradley already here, I don't see the point.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: ssspence on January 28, 2013, 12:47:20 PM
Don't like it.


Odom, Billups and Butler do nothing for the team.



Jordon is overpayed C that hurts the rebuilding process.



Bledsoe is not enough of a future piece for the Celtics.

Well, it's conceivable the Clips would trade Bledsoe and Odom for Pierce. Or, Butler, Bledsoe and a 1st in 2014 for Pierce.

Perhaps this is preferred. Jordan's value has really gone down in the past couple of months.


Again, because of his position and size, Bledsoe is not the rebuilding piece the Celtics should be chasing.  An extra 1st might be nice, but it is in the range teams sometimes rather 2nd rounders.

 I strongly doubt the Cs ability to get back a better piece than Bledsoe for a 3 month Pierce rental, assuming they don't take back veteran with long-term salary (i.e. Gay or the like).


Why would Pierce be a rental on a team like the Clippers? 


If a title contending team adds Pierce this season, they are going to keep him till the end of his contract.

They may, they may not. Depends on how he plays, Chris Paul signing, etc. The flexibility of his deal is an asset.

I still don't think you're going to get more than one good young player or a late 1st for Pierce, and looking around at the teams he's a logical fit for, Bledsoe is arguably the best of the lot. San An and GSW are the only other two who qualify (to me) as a fit that also includes any young player worth acquiring, and I have doubts about either's willingness to give those type of pieces up. 

As I point to in my OP, I agree this is a little light. But i expect the Cs to be low-balled on both young players of any real value and / or overpaid vets between now and the trade deadline.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: Moranis on January 28, 2013, 04:06:22 PM
Everybody around here knows, I'm all for blowing it up, but I don't like that trade all that much.  Too much long term salary and not enough talent coming back.

If you want to trade them together how about to San An.

KG & PP for Splitter (expiring), Jackson (expiring), Diaw, Bonner, Neal (expiring)

Splitter becomes your center of the future after you re-up this summer.  Maybe we could even pry a future pick from San An or someone with a bit more value than Bonner (Leonard, Green, etc. though I don't think they do that).  Diaw and Bonner combine for about 7 million and each expire in 2014 so there is no long term commitment at all outside of a re-signed Splitter.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: Birdman on January 28, 2013, 04:11:28 PM
dont help the Lakers at all!!!!
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: Fafnir on January 28, 2013, 04:12:48 PM
dont help the Lakers at all!!!!
Lakers aren't the only team in LA.....
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: Birdman on January 28, 2013, 04:13:45 PM
And the deal with the Clippers I dont like..Bledsoe is another Bradley and Jordan isnt that good..he has his moments but should be doing alot better
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: CelticG1 on January 28, 2013, 04:28:54 PM
Jordan and McGee are like Tyson Chandler back in the day.

I think either would be a pretty good fit next to Rondo.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: jambr380 on January 28, 2013, 04:33:16 PM
Yes, it would make sense. Bledsoe and Jordan are both very good players who are also good assets. I absolutely hate to trade Pierce and KG, but their NBA life is coming to an end and it is going to be a real bummer losing them for nothing in the near future.

I think you also package Terry and Bass for expirings and start anew next year - try to get Howard or Smith or whoever in FA. We all knew this was coming. Please, let's not kid ourselves. We aren't winning the championship this year. We might as well just rip the bandaid off.

I really do hate this. It's awful, but both guys go to a very positive situation - together. I can't think of a better way for these guys to ride off in the sunset...and soon, we will have them back to retire their numbers. Nobody can ever take away #17.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: relja on January 28, 2013, 04:39:25 PM
If we trade PP and KG for Odom, Butler and Bledsoe, we would be VERY LUCKY if we got 2 more wins till the end of the season. Fml.

If you're so eager to blow it up, try to understand that overpaid scrubs and washups aren't going to help us.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: CelticG1 on January 28, 2013, 04:40:58 PM
Didn't people think it was crazy that Jordan couldn't fetch Varejao in a trade?

Doesn't that just show how high his perceived value is and in the end couldn't that be just as important as how hood he actually is? Not too mention he would get a ton of pt with us to boost those stats
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 28, 2013, 04:48:50 PM
Nope.

I have no desire to ship KG and Pierce to the Lakers.

None at all.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: jambr380 on January 28, 2013, 04:59:00 PM
Nope.

I have no desire to ship KG and Pierce to the Lakers.

None at all.

You should probably have read the OP's post. It's the Clippers, not the Lakers..and yes, that is totally different.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: Moranis on January 28, 2013, 05:25:15 PM
Nope.

I have no desire to ship KG and Pierce to the Lakers.

None at all.

You should probably have read the OP's post. It's the Clippers, not the Lakers..and yes, that is totally different.
Hell I'd ship them both to the Lakers for Dwight Howard and wouldn't give it a second thought.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: eugen on January 28, 2013, 05:32:47 PM
I suspect the below is one deal that will be discussed, or at least suggested from one side, between the Celts and Clips:

A Pierce to LAC trade makes some sense for both teams, but it's tricky to get a package from them that's logical for the C's. PP for expirings and Bledsoe seems a little light (though maybe not anymore), and PP for Jordan seems too heavy from LAC's perspective, despite the fact that he and Blake sharing the floor come playoff time is problematic. 

However when you add KG, the argument becomes stronger that it'd significantly improves the Clips' championship hopes. And considering the fact that you'd be trading these two greats together to an excellent competitive and personal situation (based on each's immediate relationship to the LA area), wouldn't it make some sense for both sides?

I struggle with the idea of trading KG more than any player on the Cs roster, but I believe he'd retire if the Cs 'blow it up' anyway. The Cs will also save face with FAs across the league for the positive situation they found for these two teammates under tough circumstaces.

So questions for the board:

1) Would KG waive his 'no-trade' to go with PP to LAC to join CP3, Griffin, and a nice cast of role players?
2) Would you accept a package of Jordan, Bledsoe, and expirings for the two of them?

The deal I believe would makes sense also includes Terry. See below:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aoywmzw

I'd expect Billups and / or Odom to be waived after the trade.

You have to send Rondo and half team in order to keeep PP and KG
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: jambr380 on January 28, 2013, 05:59:36 PM
Nope.

I have no desire to ship KG and Pierce to the Lakers.

None at all.

You should probably have read the OP's post. It's the Clippers, not the Lakers..and yes, that is totally different.
Hell I'd ship them both to the Lakers for Dwight Howard and wouldn't give it a second thought.

I would give it a second thought, but landing Howard would pretty much jumpstart us to begin what we want to do next. As I said in my previous post, trading PP and KG, as well as guys like Terry and Bass would open up space to sign Howard...I guess this cuts out the middle guy - although, I would also like Bledsoe and Jordan [or similar young assets], if possible...
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 28, 2013, 07:41:25 PM
Nope.

I have no desire to ship KG and Pierce to the Lakers.

None at all.

You should probably have read the OP's post. It's the Clippers, not the Lakers..and yes, that is totally different.
Hell I'd ship them both to the Lakers for Dwight Howard and wouldn't give it a second thought.

I would give it a second thought, but landing Howard would pretty much jumpstart us to begin what we want to do next. As I said in my previous post, trading PP and KG, as well as guys like Terry and Bass would open up space to sign Howard...I guess this cuts out the middle guy - although, I would also like Bledsoe and Jordan [or similar young assets], if possible...

Fair enough, jambr - My Bad.

even with the proposed DeAndre and Bledsoe package, I still wouldn't do it.

In this scenario, I'd expect to get back a bit more for KG and Pierce.

Opposing GMs would probably try to undersell their worth, and I'd hope that Danny is wise enough for that - if it came to trading Pierce and KG.
Title: Re: If PP or KG is to be traded, wouldn't it make sense to send them together to LA?
Post by: D Dub on January 28, 2013, 07:52:07 PM
love Bledsoe's game, but watching him start in place of CP3 these last few games makes me think his best role is energy guy off the bench. 

i'm against any trade of PP and KG at this point.  Unless we get back an all star or unprotected 1sts from bad teams, just isn't worth it.