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Title: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: krook on January 28, 2013, 06:10:02 AM
Beating A Team Like Miami Heat Does Not Mean We Are A Contender

But It Only Shows That Even Without Our Best PG In The East We Can Still Win This One

The Only Thing I'm Bothered Is Lebron James Attacks The Rim Twice Without Any Help

And Chris Bosh Also Without Any Help, I Think The Idea Of Putting A Big Man At The Middle In Our Teams Really Helps

And It Somehow Solves Our Problem At The Rim

Without Loosing Everyone, Should We Trade Lee Or Terry Since Rondo Is Gone?

For Me It's A No, Just Get A Center, No One In Our Team Has A Value

So The Possible Players That We Can Get And Trade For Is

Brandon Bass + Timofey Mozgov + Anthony Randolph = Salaries Are Matched

Add Jason Collins To Leave More Space In Our Roster

Since 2 Roster Spots Are Left (With Jarvis Varnando And Kris Joseph Departures)

Having 2 Big Man Gives Us A Rotation For Brooklyn Nets 5 Big Man

And Chicago Bulls Joakim Noah And Carlos Boozer

We Can Sign For A Veterans Minimum Players

Delonte West As Our Point Guard

Since Jeff Green Goes Power Forward Sometimes With Paul Pierce At The Same Time

Paul Pierce Needs A Back-Up SF

Either Tracy Mcgraddy Or Someone Like Allen Iverson

I Know As Rajan Rondo Is Gone

Players Can Create There Own Shots

Jason Terry

Courtney Lee

Avery Bradley

Leandro Barbosa

Starters:

Avery Bradley

Courtney Lee

Paul Pierce

Kevin Garnett

Timofey Mozgov

Reserves:

Delonte West

Jason Terry / Leandro Barbosa

Jeff Green / Any Small Forwards Veterans Minimum

Jared Sullinger / Anthony Randolph

Chris Wilcox / Fab Melo

In This Case I Still Don't Need To Panic

There's Always A Solution

I'm Not Pushing My Panic Button Yet

We Can Win These

Offensive Tempo

With Rajan Rondo Out

My Only Problem Is Chris WIlcox And Avery Bradley

I Hope These 2 Players Can Create There Own Shots

I'm Still On Winning And Making It To The Playoffs

Lastly Rajan Rondo At His Best When Playoffs Comes

But Remember Last Year We Beat The Atlanta Hawks Without Rajan Rondo

Without Courtney Lee And Jason Terry

With Joe Johnson On The Atlanta Hawks

I Trust Jason Terry, Courtney Lee, Leandro Barbosa, Avery Bradley, Jeff Green

Play Better Or Be Traded

No Need To Panic Just Watch And Enjoy The Game

Rebounds Kills Us But Offensive Will Definitely Kill You

I'm Routing On Leandro Barbosa And Courtney Lee

Just Hope Philadelphia 76ers Keep On Loosing

But I Know We Can Win This Trust Our Players

7'th Or 8'th Or 6'th Seed In The East
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Onslaught on January 28, 2013, 07:07:53 AM
Either Tracy Mcgraddy Or Someone Like Allen Iverson


No, no, no, no, no, no, no
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: ACF on January 28, 2013, 07:16:30 AM
Relax. Don't panic. The pressure is completely off. Same thing if this happened to Miami, New York, the Lakers or OKC, any NBA team for that matter. If you lose your best player, the pressure comes off. It's only fair to the rest of the team.

We still hold the last spot in the East. The pressure is off. We're not dead yet, we're just wounded. And we'll be back.


Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: clover on January 28, 2013, 07:52:59 AM
Worst case?

The C's will be well-positioned for the 2030 draft and this little cutie:

https://twitter.com/KendrickPerkins/status/290727214507499520/photo/1

Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 28, 2013, 07:53:51 AM
Panic is useless.   Come up with a plan and commit to it.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: PhoSita on January 28, 2013, 08:03:04 AM
What is it about Rondo's injury that brings out the people who post with very odd punctuation and diction? 

This post is like a terrible high school poem.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 28, 2013, 08:09:01 AM
If folks are worried about this team after that huge win over miami then u are not paying close attention.

Lee and avery d was great
Barbosa was beast!
And about time paul got that fire lit under his behind..
Great passin from kg

Magic said we were not a playoffs team  without rondo and he is wrong
We have too much talent
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Roy H. on January 28, 2013, 08:33:57 AM
I don't think we can win a championship.  However, 29 franchises won't win a title this year.  I say just enjoy watching a couple of first ballot Hall of Famers in their twilight years.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Who on January 28, 2013, 08:42:11 AM
Blow it up. It's over.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Fafnir on January 28, 2013, 08:46:14 AM
Blow it up. It's over.
Yeah with Rondo's injury its time, the only question is will the C's get reasonable offers to entice them to part with the big pieces.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: scaryjerry on January 28, 2013, 08:53:40 AM
Did anyone catch the reaction of the heat players and coach? I know people around here think rondo sucks but they were shocked in a way we were when rose went out for the year....sorry folks the chances were slim with rondo, one of the leagues premiere postseason stars and now they're nonexistent...period! Panic? nope just a painful reality
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: wdleehi on January 28, 2013, 08:54:54 AM
Relax.



Let other teams come the the Celtics with offers.  If they are decent, counter offer.  If not, move on.



Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Celtics18 on January 28, 2013, 09:02:08 AM
Blow it up. It's over.

What's over?  Most people didn't think we had much of a shot at a title even before the Rondo injury.  I still think we have the best shot to knock of the Heat in the Eastern Conference playoffs, even now that our star point guard is gone. 

I posted some of those reasons in another thread, but I'll give a brief summary of them again:

Jeff Green defending Lebron James.

Paul Pierce as a point forward.

KG actually playing in the post against the Heat.

A disruptive, speed defense as opposed to a power defense. 

Good guard depth, with a couple of them being good, disruptive defenders. 

I understand that I'm being highly optimistic to think that we can beat Miami in the playoffs, but I'd still like to see this team give it a try.  I still think we match up well against them. 

What do we have to lose?  With the Rondo injury, next year is kind of a perfect opportunity for that tank year that everybody has been clamoring for.  Let Rondo sit out the full season to really recover.  Then we are reloaded for 2014-2015 and beyond with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, Melo (hopefully, he pans out) our lottery pick, and  whatever other pieces Ainge manages to throw into the mix between now and then.  We'll even have some cap space to play with by then.

Don't blow this up, Danny.  There's absolutely no need to panic.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 28, 2013, 09:03:36 AM
C: Drink beer, see what happens. 
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: eja117 on January 28, 2013, 09:13:03 AM
this....but in Miami, not here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l3oUUUzOxE
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: scaryjerry on January 28, 2013, 09:14:34 AM
Blow it up. It's over.

What's over?  Most people didn't think we had much of a shot at a title even before the Rondo injury.  I still think we have the best shot to knock of the Heat in the Eastern Conference playoffs, even now that our star point guard is gone. 

I posted some of those reasons in another thread, but I'll give a brief summary of them again:

Jeff Green defending Lebron James.

Paul Pierce as a point forward.

KG actually playing in the post against the Heat.

A disruptive, speed defense as opposed to a power defense. 

Good guard depth, with a couple of them being good, disruptive defenders. 

I understand that I'm being highly optimistic to think that we can beat Miami in the playoffs, but I'd still like to see this team give it a try.  I still think we match up well against them. 

What do we have to lose?  With the Rondo injury, next year is kind of a perfect opportunity for that tank year that everybody has been clamoring for.  Let Rondo sit out the full season to really recover.  Then we are reloaded for 2014-2015 and beyond with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, Melo (hopefully, he pans out) our lottery pick, and  whatever other pieces Ainge manages to throw into the mix between now and then.  We'll even have some cap space to play with by then.

Don't blow this up, Danny.  There's absolutely no need to panic.


Ugh...this pipe dream we can beat the heat in a series is a joke....we aren't going anywhere sorry bub
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Celtics18 on January 28, 2013, 09:15:51 AM
Blow it up. It's over.

What's over?  Most people didn't think we had much of a shot at a title even before the Rondo injury.  I still think we have the best shot to knock of the Heat in the Eastern Conference playoffs, even now that our star point guard is gone. 

I posted some of those reasons in another thread, but I'll give a brief summary of them again:

Jeff Green defending Lebron James.

Paul Pierce as a point forward.

KG actually playing in the post against the Heat.

A disruptive, speed defense as opposed to a power defense. 

Good guard depth, with a couple of them being good, disruptive defenders. 

I understand that I'm being highly optimistic to think that we can beat Miami in the playoffs, but I'd still like to see this team give it a try.  I still think we match up well against them. 

What do we have to lose?  With the Rondo injury, next year is kind of a perfect opportunity for that tank year that everybody has been clamoring for.  Let Rondo sit out the full season to really recover.  Then we are reloaded for 2014-2015 and beyond with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, Melo (hopefully, he pans out) our lottery pick, and  whatever other pieces Ainge manages to throw into the mix between now and then.  We'll even have some cap space to play with by then.

Don't blow this up, Danny.  There's absolutely no need to panic.


Ugh...this pipe dream we can beat the heat in a series is a joke....we aren't going anywhere sorry bub

Thank you for the thoughtful response.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: eja117 on January 28, 2013, 09:39:08 AM
Blow it up. It's over.

What's over?  Most people didn't think we had much of a shot at a title even before the Rondo injury.  I still think we have the best shot to knock of the Heat in the Eastern Conference playoffs, even now that our star point guard is gone. 

I posted some of those reasons in another thread, but I'll give a brief summary of them again:

Jeff Green defending Lebron James.

Paul Pierce as a point forward.

KG actually playing in the post against the Heat.

A disruptive, speed defense as opposed to a power defense. 

Good guard depth, with a couple of them being good, disruptive defenders. 

I understand that I'm being highly optimistic to think that we can beat Miami in the playoffs, but I'd still like to see this team give it a try.  I still think we match up well against them. 

What do we have to lose?  With the Rondo injury, next year is kind of a perfect opportunity for that tank year that everybody has been clamoring for.  Let Rondo sit out the full season to really recover.  Then we are reloaded for 2014-2015 and beyond with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, Melo (hopefully, he pans out) our lottery pick, and  whatever other pieces Ainge manages to throw into the mix between now and then.  We'll even have some cap space to play with by then.

Don't blow this up, Danny.  There's absolutely no need to panic.


Ugh...this pipe dream we can beat the heat in a series is a joke....we aren't going anywhere sorry bub
I agree. Doc needs to show them video of the Roberto Duran no mas fight. Also remember that guy in Braveheart who was like "Ok. Let's go home!" That guy was totally underrated.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 28, 2013, 09:56:49 AM
If you panic, you've already lost before you even began, regardless of your strategy going forward.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: scaryjerry on January 28, 2013, 10:10:52 AM
Blow it up. It's over.

What's over?  Most people didn't think we had much of a shot at a title even before the Rondo injury.  I still think we have the best shot to knock of the Heat in the Eastern Conference playoffs, even now that our star point guard is gone. 

I posted some of those reasons in another thread, but I'll give a brief summary of them again:

Jeff Green defending Lebron James.

Paul Pierce as a point forward.

KG actually playing in the post against the Heat.

A disruptive, speed defense as opposed to a power defense. 

Good guard depth, with a couple of them being good, disruptive defenders. 

I understand that I'm being highly optimistic to think that we can beat Miami in the playoffs, but I'd still like to see this team give it a try.  I still think we match up well against them. 

What do we have to lose?  With the Rondo injury, next year is kind of a perfect opportunity for that tank year that everybody has been clamoring for.  Let Rondo sit out the full season to really recover.  Then we are reloaded for 2014-2015 and beyond with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, Melo (hopefully, he pans out) our lottery pick, and  whatever other pieces Ainge manages to throw into the mix between now and then.  We'll even have some cap space to play with by then.

Don't blow this up, Danny.  There's absolutely no need to panic.


Ugh...this pipe dream we can beat the heat in a series is a joke....we aren't going anywhere sorry bub

Thank you for the thoughtful response.

I appreciate the optimism and all...but really? You think we can beat the heat in a playoff series? I thought it was doubtful with rondo but now it's just kinda delusional...I'd be happy if we could take them 6.

Where was all this optimism before rondo was out for the year?
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: scaryjerry on January 28, 2013, 10:14:19 AM
Blow it up. It's over.

What's over?  Most people didn't think we had much of a shot at a title even before the Rondo injury.  I still think we have the best shot to knock of the Heat in the Eastern Conference playoffs, even now that our star point guard is gone. 

I posted some of those reasons in another thread, but I'll give a brief summary of them again:

Jeff Green defending Lebron James.

Paul Pierce as a point forward.

KG actually playing in the post against the Heat.

A disruptive, speed defense as opposed to a power defense. 

Good guard depth, with a couple of them being good, disruptive defenders. 

I understand that I'm being highly optimistic to think that we can beat Miami in the playoffs, but I'd still like to see this team give it a try.  I still think we match up well against them. 

What do we have to lose?  With the Rondo injury, next year is kind of a perfect opportunity for that tank year that everybody has been clamoring for.  Let Rondo sit out the full season to really recover.  Then we are reloaded for 2014-2015 and beyond with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, Melo (hopefully, he pans out) our lottery pick, and  whatever other pieces Ainge manages to throw into the mix between now and then.  We'll even have some cap space to play with by then.

Don't blow this up, Danny.  There's absolutely no need to panic.


Ugh...this pipe dream we can beat the heat in a series is a joke....we aren't going anywhere sorry bub
I agree. Doc needs to show them video of the Roberto Duran no mas fight. Also remember that guy in Braveheart who like "Ok. Let's go home!" That guy was totally underrated.

Lol, well played.
I think the Celtics will fight....to a first round exit...but I expect them to fight
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 28, 2013, 10:19:32 AM
Relax everyone, we only lost our only real allstar on the team, why panic? Somehow someway i just have a gut feeling we will beat the heat in the playoffs and win banner18!!

Why do i feel this way? Well, because its the celtics!! We have pierce, kg, lee, terry, green! I mean, i know pierce and kg are a little older but you can't underestimate the heart of a champion!

When you have a 35 36 year old pierce and 36 37 year old KG leading the team anythings possible. We don't need star talent, we can get this done with a bunch of role players!! Who's with me?!!.........no?..........ok...
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: MBunge on January 28, 2013, 10:22:44 AM
Blow it up. It's over.

What's over?  Most people didn't think we had much of a shot at a title even before the Rondo injury.  I still think we have the best shot to knock of the Heat in the Eastern Conference playoffs, even now that our star point guard is gone. 

I posted some of those reasons in another thread, but I'll give a brief summary of them again:

Jeff Green defending Lebron James.

Paul Pierce as a point forward.

KG actually playing in the post against the Heat.

A disruptive, speed defense as opposed to a power defense. 

Good guard depth, with a couple of them being good, disruptive defenders. 

I understand that I'm being highly optimistic to think that we can beat Miami in the playoffs, but I'd still like to see this team give it a try.  I still think we match up well against them. 

What do we have to lose?  With the Rondo injury, next year is kind of a perfect opportunity for that tank year that everybody has been clamoring for.  Let Rondo sit out the full season to really recover.  Then we are reloaded for 2014-2015 and beyond with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, Melo (hopefully, he pans out) our lottery pick, and  whatever other pieces Ainge manages to throw into the mix between now and then.  We'll even have some cap space to play with by then.

Don't blow this up, Danny.  There's absolutely no need to panic.


Ugh...this pipe dream we can beat the heat in a series is a joke....we aren't going anywhere sorry bub

Thank you for the thoughtful response.

I appreciate the optimism and all...but really? You think we can beat the heat in a playoff series? I thought it was doubtful with rondo but now it's just kinda delusional...I'd be happy if we could take them 6.

Where was all this optimism before rondo was out for the year?

Well, Boston's got to play better than they have this year, obviously, and I don't think they'd have much of a chance at beating whoever comes out of the East.  But much like the Knicks are now a terrible matchup for Boston because we have no one who can guard Amare (no, KG can't do it anymore), we're a bad matchup for Miami because Boston does have guys who can guard Wade and LeBron.  Without Jeff Green, LeBron probably goes for 45 again on Sunday and we lose.  And Avery, Lee and Pierce can really give Wade problems.

It's still a longshot, but Boston still would have a better chance against the Heat than most other East playoff teams.

Mike
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Celtics18 on January 28, 2013, 10:27:05 AM
Blow it up. It's over.

What's over?  Most people didn't think we had much of a shot at a title even before the Rondo injury.  I still think we have the best shot to knock of the Heat in the Eastern Conference playoffs, even now that our star point guard is gone. 

I posted some of those reasons in another thread, but I'll give a brief summary of them again:

Jeff Green defending Lebron James.

Paul Pierce as a point forward.

KG actually playing in the post against the Heat.

A disruptive, speed defense as opposed to a power defense. 

Good guard depth, with a couple of them being good, disruptive defenders. 

I understand that I'm being highly optimistic to think that we can beat Miami in the playoffs, but I'd still like to see this team give it a try.  I still think we match up well against them. 

What do we have to lose?  With the Rondo injury, next year is kind of a perfect opportunity for that tank year that everybody has been clamoring for.  Let Rondo sit out the full season to really recover.  Then we are reloaded for 2014-2015 and beyond with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, Melo (hopefully, he pans out) our lottery pick, and  whatever other pieces Ainge manages to throw into the mix between now and then.  We'll even have some cap space to play with by then.

Don't blow this up, Danny.  There's absolutely no need to panic.


Ugh...this pipe dream we can beat the heat in a series is a joke....we aren't going anywhere sorry bub

Thank you for the thoughtful response.

I appreciate the optimism and all...but really? You think we can beat the heat in a playoff series? I thought it was doubtful with rondo but now it's just kinda delusional...I'd be happy if we could take them 6.

Where was all this optimism before rondo was out for the year?

I was even more optimistic before Rondo went down that we had a shot at upsetting the Heat. 

I've given some of my reasons that I'm still optimistic above. 
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 28, 2013, 10:34:27 AM
No reason to panic now, that time has came and went before Rondos injury.

Just regroup add or trade a player or two and see how it goes.

I'm curious to see how the team responds to adversity.  I think
They will step up as a team
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Spicoli on January 28, 2013, 11:36:04 AM
I may get flamed for this but, if Rondo was truly the teams best player, that meant we had no chance at a title to begin with. Rondo cannot be a championship caliber teams best player. He is too limited offensively. We cannot go to him down the stretch, and he doesn't have the ability to put the team on his back like most other star players do. Rondo is a complimentary piece to a championship puzzle. If he's the second or third best player on your team, you're in business, but if he's your best player that means you need to make a few moves, honestly. Having said all that, i don't think the team is championship contenders with or without him, so there is no need to panic at all. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride. That's what would have happened if Rondo were healthy anyway.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: vinnie on January 28, 2013, 12:06:03 PM
I don't think we can win a championship.  However, 29 franchises won't win a title this year.  I say just enjoy watching a couple of first ballot Hall of Famers in their twilight years.

100 percent with you, Roy. And, we are not a better team without Rondo.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: vinnie on January 28, 2013, 12:10:09 PM
It is hysterical with all of the hype about yesterday's win over Miami. I read over and over again on this blog that regular season games don't matter, just get into the playoffs, etc. etc. etc. Yet, yesterday's win in a meaningless regular season game over the Heat is now of huge importance and is a clear indicator that the Celtics can beat the Heat in a 7-game series without Rajon Rondo. Sorry, but you cannot have it both ways.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Casperian on January 28, 2013, 12:24:08 PM
I agree. Doc needs to show them video of the Roberto Duran no mas fight. Also remember that guy in Braveheart who like "Ok. Let's go home!" That guy was totally underrated.

A movie?
Part of the reason why these stories are memorable is because they donīt happen very often in reality.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: CoachBo on January 28, 2013, 12:25:26 PM
I may get flamed for this but, if Rondo was truly the teams best player, that meant we had no chance at a title to begin with. Rondo cannot be a championship caliber teams best player. He is too limited offensively. We cannot go to him down the stretch, and he doesn't have the ability to put the team on his back like most other star players do. Rondo is a complimentary piece to a championship puzzle. If he's the second or third best player on your team, you're in business, but if he's your best player that means you need to make a few moves, honestly. Having said all that, i don't think the team is championship contenders with or without him, so there is no need to panic at all. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride. That's what would have happened if Rondo were healthy anyway.

We weren't title contenders with Rondo. We're not now. Been saying for years that Rondo is not the foundation of a championship run.

Time to watch the other pieces develop and enjoy Garnett and Pierce. I enjoy ball movement and good defensive basketball, and if Sunday is any indication our backcourt defense is going to be fun to watch. Finally.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: KGs Knee on January 28, 2013, 12:29:47 PM
I don't think we can win a championship.  However, 29 franchises won't win a title this year.  I say just enjoy watching a couple of first ballot Hall of Famers in their twilight years.

This.

That is all I care about for the remainder of this lost season.  I just want to see KG and Pierce play out the string and enjoy their last days.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: igorsure on January 28, 2013, 12:30:24 PM
We can be a contender if (and only if) one of our young player will made big step forward to become real game driver, offence weapon.

One regular game is just one regular game. And we could lose it absolutely the same way we win it.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Q_FBE on January 28, 2013, 12:42:28 PM
I fall in the Don't Panic majority... See my fanpost on the home pages. I still think we need big man help but if Jason Collins and Chris Wilcox can help us there even that goes away.

Our new team will emerge a little quicker now.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: eja117 on January 28, 2013, 12:55:36 PM
I agree. Doc needs to show them video of the Roberto Duran no mas fight. Also remember that guy in Braveheart who was like "Ok. Let's go home!" That guy was totally underrated.

A movie?
Part of the reason why these stories are memorable is because they donīt happen very often in reality.
No mas wasn't a movie. And Braveheart was a real guy. I mean I used non-fiction. Just about
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Interceptor on January 28, 2013, 12:59:25 PM
It is hysterical with all of the hype about yesterday's win over Miami. I read over and over again on this blog that regular season games don't matter, just get into the playoffs, etc. etc. etc. Yet, yesterday's win in a meaningless regular season game over the Heat is now of huge importance and is a clear indicator that the Celtics can beat the Heat in a 7-game series without Rajon Rondo. Sorry, but you cannot have it both ways.
This is a false comparison.

The regular season "doesn't matter" in the sense that the playoffs have a set of circumstances that are favorable for a team like ours (no back to backs, play the same team every time), but a game like yesterday was absolutely playoff-effort. The Heat were NOT phoning it in. The game in MSG against the Knicks was similar.

Games like that, you can draw conclusions from, IMO.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: PhoSita on January 28, 2013, 01:21:09 PM
I don't think we can win a championship.  However, 29 franchises won't win a title this year.  I say just enjoy watching a couple of first ballot Hall of Famers in their twilight years.

The problem is that I don't enjoy that.

Maybe I'm spoiled because of the last 6 years, but I just don't really get all that excited about watching the team struggle to win half their games as Pierce and Garnett slowly fade into retirement.

I get the inclination to hold onto a good thing, if only for nostalgia's sake.  I don't begrudge you your desire to do exactly that.


But for me, to be interesting I need the season to feel like it means something.  If the Celtics hadn't made the playoffs and won at least one series every season for the past 5 years, I could view just making the playoffs and being competitive in the first round and maybe, with some luck, sneaking into the second round as a worthy goal.  But I'm not that desperate to see the team play in the playoffs.

Right now I'm most excited to just get started on figuring out what this team is going to look like the next time they are really competitive.  I want to start building to that next group of Celtics stars. 

I love and appreciate Paul and KG for all they've done, and I'm sure I will miss them more than I can imagine now once they are finally gone.  I also know that for logistical reasons it may not be possible to blow it up until the season is over.  But as soon as it is realistically possible, I want this team to move on and start picking up the pieces. 

Make the most of Rondo's injury -- view it as a catalyst for the chemical reaction that destroys what was and sets off the creation of what will be.  That is meaningful to me.  Much more so than watching Pierce and Garnett give us glimpses, for a few minutes at a time, of what they used to be able to do all game long.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 28, 2013, 01:30:50 PM
I don't think we can win a championship.  However, 29 franchises won't win a title this year.  I say just enjoy watching a couple of first ballot Hall of Famers in their twilight years.

The problem is that I don't enjoy that.

Maybe I'm spoiled because of the last 6 years.

You do realize that most of the last 6 years have been a continued disappointment in season performance, and an uphill battle during the playoffs right?

What makes this particular year any different?
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: PhoSita on January 28, 2013, 01:37:15 PM
I don't think we can win a championship.  However, 29 franchises won't win a title this year.  I say just enjoy watching a couple of first ballot Hall of Famers in their twilight years.

The problem is that I don't enjoy that.

Maybe I'm spoiled because of the last 6 years.

You do realize that most of the last 6 years have been a continued disappointment in season performance, and an uphill battle during the playoffs right?

What makes this particular year any different?


a) With the exception of 2009, in previous years they had the whole core group together, so there was at least a small hope they could make a deep run.

b) Even last season there was good reason to feel that they would win at least one playoff series.  Without Rondo and with the team as a likely 7th or 8th seed, that doesn't seem very likely to me.


Bottom line, in the past, the playoffs were exciting because the team usually rose up and played much better.  Most notably, Rondo became a completely different player in the playoffs.  This year and beyond the main justification for holding onto this group is just for the sake of watching Pierce and KG play in a Celtics uniform for as long as they're willing to do so.  Which, like I said, is fine and dandy, but to me it's gotten old.  I guess overall the point is that I'm tired of watching the same thing, knowing the results will be more or less the same, and knowing that the product on the floor is only getting worse.  This team isn't going to age like fine wine.

"Watching future Hall of Famers" sounds nice until you recognize that most nights that means you're watching these guys play like shells of their former selves.  It's only on occasion that they play up to their former glory.  And even then you know it's basically just a farewell tour.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: thirstyboots18 on January 28, 2013, 01:46:23 PM
I don't think we can win a championship.  However, 29 franchises won't win a title this year.  I say just enjoy watching a couple of first ballot Hall of Famers in their twilight years.

The problem is that I don't enjoy that.

Maybe I'm spoiled because of the last 6 years, but I just don't really get all that excited about watching the team struggle to win half their games as Pierce and Garnett slowly fade into retirement.

I get the inclination to hold onto a good thing, if only for nostalgia's sake.  I don't begrudge you your desire to do exactly that.


But for me, to be interesting I need the season to feel like it means something.  If the Celtics hadn't made the playoffs and won at least one series every season for the past 5 years, I could view just making the playoffs and being competitive in the first round and maybe, with some luck, sneaking into the second round as a worthy goal.  But I'm not that desperate to see the team play in the playoffs.

Right now I'm most excited to just get started on figuring out what this team is going to look like the next time they are really competitive.  I want to start building to that next group of Celtics stars. 

I love and appreciate Paul and KG for all they've done, and I'm sure I will miss them more than I can imagine now once they are finally gone.  I also know that for logistical reasons it may not be possible to blow it up until the season is over.  But as soon as it is realistically possible, I want this team to move on and start picking up the pieces. 

Make the most of Rondo's injury -- view it as a catalyst for the chemical reaction that destroys what was and sets off the creation of what will be.  That is meaningful to me.  Much more so than watching Pierce and Garnett give us glimpses, for a few minutes at a time, of what they used to be able to do all game long.
Remember how excited and optimistic fans were with the addition of Terry and Lee, and the emergence of Sully as a player?  During the Miami game they gave glimpses of why.   Maybe this injury will be the catalyst that makes them kick their game up a notch to fulfill that promise.  At any rate, it may turn the team toward cohesiveness and next year, when Rondo gets back, is time enough start trading and tearing down, if PP and KG decide to retire or refuse to come off the bench if necessary.  I hope they will play one more year, the team gels, and  Rondo comes back stronger.  I have said all along that this team is already in rebuilding mode, and is trying to stay competitive at the same time.  Right now we don't have the trade value to remain competitive by that route, and from what I have read, the draft is supposed to be weak next year (I don't follow college and don't know if that is correct or not...for all I know, there may be another Larry Bird lurking).

I am also hoping (?) that KG and PP will continue to mentor this group, and that they will return to play next year, to go for "One More Ring."

I am Rondo's biggest fan and am not suggesting anyone can take his place.  What I am suggesting is that a player or players may emerge in his absence who can either play with him in the future, or will increase his trade value with increased play.  I say ride it out.  Tearing it up can not feel worse, and the results will very probably not be any better.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: CelticsFanNC on January 28, 2013, 01:49:30 PM
   Personally I'd ask Pierce and Garnett how they'd like to finish their careers, on a also ran/potential lottery team or with a contender.

 If they'd like to finish with a contender I'd try to make a deal that makes sense for the Celtic's and give them what they want.  They've both earned that.  I wouldn't give them away but I do believe a contender might give the C's some value in return for two guy who are likely to retire before Rondo is 100% healthy again.

  If they say they want to finish their careers in Boston regardless of how it ends then keep them around.  Either way they'll always be Celtics and their numbers will one day be in the rafters.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 28, 2013, 01:52:07 PM
I'm in the dont panic camp. Obviously Rondo is our best player and arguably our most important (yes KG i Know). Without Rondo guys aren't going to be getting as many open looks or getting the ball in their "sweet spots".

To grind my teeth and find positive with this is that our log jam at the guard spot is solved for the time being. Lee, Terry, and Bradley will all get more minutes now. (Again, not a good thing or ideal but just making light out of it). Terry might be able to JET (ha) out of his slump, Lee is deserving of more minutes, and Bradley is strong when in the lineup. Barbosa can also give a better bench spark.

Our minutes could start looking something like this.

Bradley (30)/ Terry (14)/Barbosa(4)
Lee (30)/Terry (16)/Barbosa (2)
Pierce (28)/Green(20)
Sully (20)/ Bass (20)/ Green (8)
KG (28)/Sully (5)/Wilcox (12)/ Collins (3)


Edit*: Green plays 8 minutes at the PF not smiley face sunglasses.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on January 28, 2013, 02:02:05 PM
I know A.Sherrod is not a good source but hey i love rumors so. Here! He just tweeted saying NBA folks are saying the most tradeable assets are AB sully Clee and Pierce. Maybe we could package Bass with someone like Lee and get a decent player. I like our team still with the defense it has to offer but would like either someone like Lowery or Calderon or Gortat.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: PhoSita on January 28, 2013, 02:11:44 PM
I know A.Sherrod is not a good source but hey i love rumors so. Here! He just tweeted saying NBA folks are saying the most tradeable assets are AB sully Clee and Pierce. Maybe we could package Bass with someone like Lee and get a decent player. I like our team still with the defense it has to offer but would like either someone like Lowery or Calderon or Gortat.

If A Sherrod says it, it's not a rumor, it's just him making inferences / speculating.

Of course AB, Sully, Lee, and Pierce are the most tradeable assets.  I could have told you that.

The team shouldn't trade AB or Sully, though, and I don't think that requires explanation.  The problem with trading Lee and / or Pierce is that the value we're likely to get in return is not much.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on January 28, 2013, 02:16:55 PM
I know A.Sherrod is not a good source but hey i love rumors so. Here! He just tweeted saying NBA folks are saying the most tradeable assets are AB sully Clee and Pierce. Maybe we could package Bass with someone like Lee and get a decent player. I like our team still with the defense it has to offer but would like either someone like Lowery or Calderon or Gortat.

If A Sherrod says it, it's not a rumor, it's just him making inferences / speculating.

Of course AB, Sully, Lee, and Pierce are the most tradeable assets.  I could have told you that.

The team shouldn't trade AB or Sully, though, and I don't think that requires explanation.  The problem with trading Lee and / or Pierce is that the value we're likely to get in return is not much.


True lol
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 28, 2013, 03:02:20 PM
I may get flamed for this but, if Rondo was truly the teams best player, that meant we had no chance at a title to begin with. Rondo cannot be a championship caliber teams best player. He is too limited offensively. We cannot go to him down the stretch, and he doesn't have the ability to put the team on his back like most other star players do. Rondo is a complimentary piece to a championship puzzle. If he's the second or third best player on your team, you're in business, but if he's your best player that means you need to make a few moves, honestly. Having said all that, i don't think the team is championship contenders with or without him, so there is no need to panic at all. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride. That's what would have happened if Rondo were healthy anyway.

I respect it and agree.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: erisred on January 28, 2013, 03:16:43 PM
If you panic, you've already lost before you even began, regardless of your strategy going forward.
Buy low, sell high. This would be a very dangerous time for Danny to be trading away assets. Rondo's injury, I think, made it less likely that Danny will trade away Pierce at the deadline. A minor deal for a center or point guard is all I think we'll see before the summer...and maybe not even that.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: erisred on January 28, 2013, 03:50:31 PM
No reason to panic now, that time has came and went before Rondos injury.

Just regroup add or trade a player or two and see how it goes.

I'm curious to see how the team responds to adversity.  I think
They will step up as a team
It is highly doubtful that the C's will win the Championship, a bit less so today than before Rondo's injury, but not by much. Before Rondo's injury, I was in favor of cashing some chips for a quality C/PF and making a run. I don't think that will work now, panic trades will be counter productive, and "blowing it up" will be disaster.

Sure, if the team had a clear path at the Championship and needed that one more piece...go for it! Unfortunately, there is no clear path and there are too many missing pieces we'd need to acquire to make it work.

I think it's time to sit back, take a breath and play out the string. Evaluate and develop Sully, Bradley and Melo now, add more assets this summer. Hope that KG sticks around, hope Pierce does too!

Young players need vets like Pierce and KG around to help them develop the right kind of habits. One of the reasons "blow it up" and rebuild from scratch seldom works is those teams don't have the proper culture in which you develop "winners." You need veterans like PP and KG, or a *lot* of time for the young guys to turn into veterans. Winners don't tank and they don't quit, they fight it out to the end.

Danny also needs time to evaluate Sully, Bradley, Green, Lee and Melo. Some of them might be trade assets, some of them might be keepers, and if we get really lucky one of them might be more than that. When it comes to Green and Lee, Dannye might already know, but personally, I think the jury is still out on both of them because they have never been key pieces in winning cultures. IAC, Danny, certainly needs time to figure out just how good Bradley, Sullinger and Melo can be. Don't trade them until he knows...and can sell high! We want to bring 2 or 3 stars here and they don't come cheap.

So, the C's have assets evaluate and develop. They have a culture to maintain and teach. They need to play it out like they will win it all...right down to the final gasp.

No panic trades, no "blowing it up."
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: erisred on January 28, 2013, 04:06:03 PM
I fall in the Don't Panic majority... See my fanpost on the home pages. I still think we need big man help but if Jason Collins and Chris Wilcox can help us there even that goes away.

Our new team will emerge a little quicker now.
Oh, yeah! The C's need a C! No question about that. I seriously doubt Collins or Wilcox can help much. I want Melo to get a chance, but he's probably not going to until next year. I'd love for the Celtics to find a good Center, young preferably, but Gasol at 32 would do for now. Problem is, I doubt Danny can get one in here without overpaying, and overpaying could set the rebuild (and we're already in rebuild mode, folks) back years.

About Melo and the "Doc won't play rookies" meme. Doc *will* play rookies when they are capable of playing and helping, but he won't play them just because they are rookies. He is also loath to play more than one at a time. Remember, when we complained bitterly that he wouldn't play Big Al and Perk together? Remember when Delonte and Tony or Big Baby and Powe always seemed to be on the court...but very seldom together?  Doc seems to be very uncomfortable with more than one rookie on the court at a time. He wants to keep them surrounded by vets. It took 2 years for Bradley to start playing consistent minutes and another half season to break into the starting line up. From the start of this season he's played Sully and after half a season he's starting. Well, Fab wasn't ready and Sully was. Maybe by March Melo gets a call up, maybe he gets a few minutes here and there, maybe by next year he gets to be the one to prove he can play with the big boys.

Between now and then, and probably well past then, the C's need a center not named Collins or Wilcox.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: erisred on January 28, 2013, 04:17:38 PM
   Personally I'd ask Pierce and Garnett how they'd like to finish their careers, on a also ran/potential lottery team or with a contender.

 If they'd like to finish with a contender I'd try to make a deal that makes sense for the Celtic's and give them what they want.  They've both earned that.  I wouldn't give them away but I do believe a contender might give the C's some value in return for two guy who are likely to retire before Rondo is 100% healthy again.

  If they say they want to finish their careers in Boston regardless of how it ends then keep them around.  Either way they'll always be Celtics and their numbers will one day be in the rafters.
I wouldn't! I want KG and Paul to stay on this team for this year and for next year, too. The C's need them as role models and mentors whether we're really competitive for a Championship of not. One of the things that kept the Celtics competitive for decades was the living links from Championship era to Championship era. I think that link was really broken when the deaths of Bias and Lewis, and that lead to many, many, years of the Celtics wandering in the wilderness of gosh-awful basketball.

Hey! Now we're got KG, Pierce and Rondo (maybe) to embody "the Celtics way."  We need them here to help carry that forward to the next era.

I'm telling you, the C's need KG and/or Pierce for another year or two to carry their legacy forward. I just don't think trading them for anybody other than proven clear "winners" is a good idea...and neither is going to return that player.

I don't think Danny, the player, got that. I think Red did. I hope Danny, the GM, has figured it out.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: LooseCannon on January 28, 2013, 04:22:23 PM
But for me, to be interesting I need the season to feel like it means something.  If the Celtics hadn't made the playoffs and won at least one series every season for the past 5 years, I could view just making the playoffs and being competitive in the first round and maybe, with some luck, sneaking into the second round as a worthy goal.  But I'm not that desperate to see the team play in the playoffs.

Right now I'm most excited to just get started on figuring out what this team is going to look like the next time they are really competitive.  I want to start building to that next group of Celtics stars. 

I see this team as still having a shot at being a legitimate contender next season if Rondo returns healthy and the team gets a solid big, either through free agency or the draft (or Fab Melo maturing).  This season becomes about trying to integrate the underachieving role players into Doc's system and making one final push in 2013-2014.

This team was built to be a dangerous veteran squad capable of overachieving in the playoffs for a couple of seasons, then offering the opportunity to rebuild through free agency in either the summer of 2014 or 2015, or blow it up if that isn't a possibility.  That hasn't really changed.  There's no way to speed it up and a panic move to radically change the roster at this point is more likely to prolong a rebuild than to move the team closer to a championship.

The one thing I would like is for the team to pluck a young D-League big who has a chance to be what Greg Smith is in Houston.  Henry Sims, perhaps?
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: CoachBo on January 28, 2013, 04:53:02 PM
If you panic, you've already lost before you even began, regardless of your strategy going forward.
Buy low, sell high. This would be a very dangerous time for Danny to be trading away assets. Rondo's injury, I think, made it less likely that Danny will trade away Pierce at the deadline. A minor deal for a center or point guard is all I think we'll see before the summer...and maybe not even that.
Right. The people who think that Ainge is more likely now than before to move Pierce and Garnett are letting their own emotional reactions as Rondo fans cloud their common sense.

It's not happening. Ainge runs a team. He doesn't focus on his love for one player.

With minor tweaks, perhaps, this is what we have going forward.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 05:45:19 AM
Either Tracy Mcgraddy Or Someone Like Allen Iverson


No, no, no, no, no, no, no

how about timofey mozgov? at least better than collins
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 01:04:14 AM
nice to see fans are not on panic mode
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: Mazingerz on January 30, 2013, 01:15:26 AM
Plastic people melting due to panic as we speak.

This is a test of the Cs intestinal fortitude. Every game will be a bar fight from now on.
Title: Re: Panic Or Don't Panic
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 02:04:14 AM
Plastic people melting due to panic as we speak.

This is a test of the Cs intestinal fortitude. Every game will be a bar fight from now on.

+1