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Title: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on January 27, 2013, 09:19:52 PM
not sure this is really news but interesting enough. Not so interested in Gay but if they wanna chat about Gasol?  ;D

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One team that rival execs expect to be at the forefront of the Pierce pursuit is Memphis, which delayed but did not solve its long-term payroll concerns by getting under the luxury-tax line with last week's trade with Cleveland. While Memphis can survive for the rest of this season without trading Rudy Gay, Zach Randolph or Marc Gasol, it still cannot sustain such a top-heavy payroll for the next two seasons. Pierce would keep the Grizzlies dangerous -- arguably, make them more dangerous -- for the rest of this season, and allow them to reorganize their spending as soon as next season.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: rondohondo on January 27, 2013, 09:24:28 PM
Gay or Gasol . Most likely Gay. I think if Green starts at sf he can put up stats close to gay's at half the price. If Gasol is on the table do it , no doubt.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: j804 on January 27, 2013, 09:25:05 PM
It we were able to get Gay for Pierce no way Danny turns that down how is that even possible though?
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: More Banners on January 27, 2013, 09:26:49 PM
Gay or Gasol . Most likely Gay. I think if Green starts at sf he can put up stats close to gay's at half the price. If Gasol is on the table do it , no doubt.

I agree to an extent on Green being able to produce stats as a go-to guy.

Gay has experience as a closer that Green just doesn't (yet).  That has value, but I'd rather gamble on Green and spend elsewhere.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: triboy16f on January 27, 2013, 09:27:54 PM
Celts i doubt want Gay. Like many said, his stats don't justify his pay.

Its going to end up being like the cleveland trade where memphis will have to give up more to have somebody take gay off their hands.

If they want pierce it will have to be through a three way trade
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 27, 2013, 09:28:14 PM
Sorry, but never trade Pierce.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: esel1000 on January 27, 2013, 09:32:24 PM
At least he'd be traded to a contender, the only way I'd want Pierce traded. I hate to say it but at this point it might be whats best for both him and us...
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 27, 2013, 09:34:38 PM
Best news all day.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Celtics18 on January 27, 2013, 09:35:55 PM
At least he'd be traded to a contender, the only way I'd want Pierce traded. I hate to say it but at this point it might be whats best for both him and us...

What's best for us probably depends on the individual fan's perspective, but I feel fairly certain that Paul Pierce wouldn't think it was in his best interest if he got traded.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: JHTruth on January 27, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
Does Gay have any viability as a SG? If not I'm not sure what value he has over Green especially at such a high price. If he could become a go-to scorer at the SG then he is definitely worth a look. If not I like Green's D and offense..
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: esel1000 on January 27, 2013, 09:39:53 PM
At least he'd be traded to a contender, the only way I'd want Pierce traded. I hate to say it but at this point it might be whats best for both him and us...

What's best for us probably depends on the individual fan's perspective, but I feel fairly certain that Paul Pierce wouldn't think it was in his best interest if he got traded.

Chance at another ring before retiring? I guarantee Ainge sits down with him and discusses the idea.

It's possible that he doesn't want to be traded and wants to ride out his final days in Boston. If that's true, then if I were Ainge I'd respect that and wouldn't trade him. However, it's just as possible that he wants to spend his final days helping a team not on the verge of a rebuild win it all.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 27, 2013, 09:40:07 PM
Sorry, but never trade Pierce.

his legs are gone man. I think KG could stay with us longer TBH.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: rondohondo on January 27, 2013, 09:40:32 PM
It would have to be Gay coming back to Boston now that I think of it . Would rather send gay to a 3rd team and get a big man like big al, Josh Smith  in return. They are both very good ,relatively young big men on expiring deals , so you can see how they fit in the system for the rest of this year .
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Celtics18 on January 27, 2013, 09:42:36 PM
At least he'd be traded to a contender, the only way I'd want Pierce traded. I hate to say it but at this point it might be whats best for both him and us...

What's best for us probably depends on the individual fan's perspective, but I feel fairly certain that Paul Pierce wouldn't think it was in his best interest if he got traded.

Chance at another ring before retiring? I guarantee Ainge sits down with him and discusses the idea.

It's possible that he doesn't want to be traded and wants to ride out his final days in Boston. If that's true, then if I were Ainge I'd respect that and wouldn't trade him. However, it's just as possible that he wants to spend his final days helping a team not on the verge of a rebuild win it all.

I can't say for certain how Paul Pierce feels, but I highly doubt that the latter scenario is just as possible.

Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: esel1000 on January 27, 2013, 09:46:07 PM
At least he'd be traded to a contender, the only way I'd want Pierce traded. I hate to say it but at this point it might be whats best for both him and us...

What's best for us probably depends on the individual fan's perspective, but I feel fairly certain that Paul Pierce wouldn't think it was in his best interest if he got traded.

Chance at another ring before retiring? I guarantee Ainge sits down with him and discusses the idea.

It's possible that he doesn't want to be traded and wants to ride out his final days in Boston. If that's true, then if I were Ainge I'd respect that and wouldn't trade him. However, it's just as possible that he wants to spend his final days helping a team not on the verge of a rebuild win it all.

I can't say for certain how Paul Pierce feels, but I highly doubt that the latter scenario is just as possible.

Maybe not and none of us can truly say how he feels but I highly doubt he's completely unopposed to the idea. Like I said though out of respect I'd hope Ainge only trades him if he welcomes it and only to a contender, such as Memphis
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: More Banners on January 27, 2013, 09:49:34 PM
Sorry, but never trade Pierce.

his legs are gone man. I think KG could stay with us longer TBH.

Probably, but I'd try him in a 20 min 6th man role pretty quickly.  I think we need to see what we have with JG as a go-to guy sooner rather than later.  Ego's be darned at this point, Paul's huge one included.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: chambers on January 27, 2013, 09:51:24 PM
Pierce, Green, Bass + first rounder

for

Rudy Gay, Zac Randolph, Pondexter

Memphis clears cap room, still has Gasol inside and can play Green and the 4 with Pierce at the 3.
Bass comes in off the bench much like Speights did.
We get a win now power forward and replace an overpaid swing man with a better overpaid swingman and a stretch forward in Pondexter.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: AB_Celtic on January 27, 2013, 09:56:50 PM
Pierce, Green, Bass + first rounder

for

Rudy Gay, Zac Randolph, Pondexter

Memphis clears cap room, still has Gasol inside and can play Green and the 4 with Pierce at the 3.
Bass comes in off the bench much like Speights did.
We get a win now power forward and replace an overpaid swing man with a better overpaid swingman and a stretch forward in Pondexter.

Throw in Terry for Bayless, too. There's our PG for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Ogaju on January 27, 2013, 09:59:24 PM
PP has earned to call his own shot. dont think the rest of the league is not watching this....
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: ScottHow on January 27, 2013, 10:10:49 PM
I'm not really interested in anything roster wise, maybe if they have another teams pick?
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Cman on January 27, 2013, 10:15:30 PM
I'm not really interested in anything roster wise, maybe if they have another teams pick?


Ditto.

 For that matter, Memphis isn't going to gut their roster to get Pierce. They are doing well without him but , presumably, would like to add him to help put them over the top.

I don't believe Memphis has any picks though (not even their own).  I think the most likely of all the Boston-Memphis trade scenarios I've seen is just a straight up Gay for Pierce deal.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: action781 on January 27, 2013, 10:21:47 PM
PP has earned to call his own shot. dont think the rest of the league is not watching this....

PP has earned over $137 million over his career here in Boston.  I have loved Pierce as a celtics, am extremely grateful for how hard he has played for this franchise and everything he has done for this community, and don't wish for a bad situation for him, but I feel very strongly that we owe him nothing else than we are contractually obligated to owe him.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Sketch5 on January 27, 2013, 10:26:48 PM
I hate to see PP go, but seeing him turn the ball over and get striped when he's driving and front rimming shot is getting kinda hard to watch.

Now if they can pull a three way off with Atlanta

Memphis Out: Gay
Memphis In: Pierce

Atlanta Out Smith and Kover
Atlanta in Gay and Bass

Boston Out: Pierce and Bass
Boston In: Smith and Kover

Kover would actually give us a guy that could spread the floor and Smith Helps KG on D.

And then maybe after PP contract is up with Memph he could head back over for KG's last season for a run coming off the bench if we are in good shape
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Atzar on January 27, 2013, 10:28:06 PM
PP has earned to call his own shot. dont think the rest of the league is not watching this....

PP has earned over $137 million over his career here in Boston.  I have loved Pierce as a celtics, am extremely grateful for how hard he has played for this franchise and everything he has done for this community, and don't wish for a bad situation for him, but I feel very strongly that we owe him nothing else than we are contractually obligated to owe him.

Personally I'd really prefer that we trade him to a good situation if we do end up trading him.  If not Boston, then I want to see him in a place where he can contend for a title.

Aside from that, I agree with what you said. 
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Jack_Frost on January 27, 2013, 10:37:33 PM
What about

Pierce to memphis
Gay to sacramento
Evans cousins and salmons to boston

Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 27, 2013, 10:41:32 PM
Maybe Chicago?  We could try to pry that Charlotte pick from them.

Imagine the Bulls closing with this lineup:

Rose
Pierce
Deng
Boozer/Gibson
Noah

That's pretty sick.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: hpantazo on January 27, 2013, 10:42:01 PM
What about

Pierce to memphis
Gay to sacramento
Evans cousins and salmons to boston

why don't you just have lebron and howard  coming to boston too in that trade?
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: BballTim on January 27, 2013, 10:46:15 PM
What about

Pierce to memphis
Gay to sacramento
Evans cousins and salmons to boston

why don't you just have lebron and howard  coming to boston too in that trade?

  It wouldn't fit under the salary cap.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: esel1000 on January 27, 2013, 10:47:14 PM
What about

Pierce to memphis
Gay to sacramento
Evans cousins and salmons to boston

why don't you just have lebron and howard  coming to boston too in that trade?

Yeah, right? I feel like we should trade our 2nd round pick for cp3 while we're at it.

Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: More Banners on January 27, 2013, 10:49:23 PM
What about

Pierce to memphis
Gay to sacramento
Evans cousins and salmons to boston

why don't you just have lebron and howard  coming to boston too in that trade?

Yeah, right? I feel like we should trade our 2nd round pick for cp3 while we're at it.

No way.  Dwight isn't worth the trouble, and Danny is a genius with 2nd rounders.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Jack_Frost on January 27, 2013, 10:50:44 PM
I tought we were thinking about pierce for gay possibility... Maybe im wrong...
Hoped for more interesting comments, but ok... Im stupid... You re right
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: hpantazo on January 27, 2013, 10:51:50 PM
What about

Pierce to memphis
Gay to sacramento
Evans cousins and salmons to boston

why don't you just have lebron and howard  coming to boston too in that trade?

  It wouldn't fit under the salary cap.

LOL
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Sketch5 on January 27, 2013, 10:52:12 PM
What about

Pierce to memphis
Gay to sacramento
Evans cousins and salmons to boston

why don't you just have lebron and howard  coming to boston too in that trade?

  It wouldn't fit under the salary cap.

It does if you add Melo to the deal.

Not sure if Sac would do it, but they are looking for a franchise player with a level head. Gay fits that bill better than cousins right now.

But don't think it would happen...
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: hpantazo on January 27, 2013, 10:53:48 PM
Maybe Chicago?  We could try to pry that Charlotte pick from them.

Imagine the Bulls closing with this lineup:

Rose
Pierce
Deng
Boozer/Gibson
Noah

That's pretty sick.

that's not a bad idea. We would need someone coming back to match salaries, but trading Pierce for the Charlotte pick and having him play out his career with Thibs is not bad at all.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: BballTim on January 27, 2013, 11:04:29 PM
What about

Pierce to memphis
Gay to sacramento
Evans cousins and salmons to boston

why don't you just have lebron and howard  coming to boston too in that trade?

  It wouldn't fit under the salary cap.

It does if you add Melo to the deal.

Not sure if Sac would do it, but they are looking for a franchise player with a level head. Gay fits that bill better than cousins right now.

But don't think it would happen...

  I dunno. Is it really worth giving up on Melo if all you're getting back is Howard and James? He's tearing it up in the D league and all.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: esel1000 on January 27, 2013, 11:08:03 PM
What about

Pierce to memphis
Gay to sacramento
Evans cousins and salmons to boston

why don't you just have lebron and howard  coming to boston too in that trade?

  It wouldn't fit under the salary cap.

It does if you add Melo to the deal.

Not sure if Sac would do it, but they are looking for a franchise player with a level head. Gay fits that bill better than cousins right now.

But don't think it would happen...

  I dunno. Is it really worth giving up on Melo if all you're getting back is Howard and James? He's tearing it up in the D league and all.

In 2 years when Melo > Olajuwon this comment will look silly
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: hpantazo on January 27, 2013, 11:08:32 PM
What about

Pierce to memphis
Gay to sacramento
Evans cousins and salmons to boston

why don't you just have lebron and howard  coming to boston too in that trade?

  It wouldn't fit under the salary cap.

It does if you add Melo to the deal.

Not sure if Sac would do it, but they are looking for a franchise player with a level head. Gay fits that bill better than cousins right now.

But don't think it would happen...

  I dunno. Is it really worth giving up on Melo if all you're getting back is Howard and James? He's tearing it up in the D league and all.

Pierce won't get you Evans OR Cousins, nevermind both of them! Keep dreaming.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Fafnir on January 27, 2013, 11:13:01 PM
Sounds like speculation based on previous rumors.

We'll see if it has any legs, I have a feeling that Memphis would want additional assets rather than a straight swap.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Mencius on January 27, 2013, 11:36:41 PM
At least he'd be traded to a contender, the only way I'd want Pierce traded. I hate to say it but at this point it might be whats best for both him and us...

What's best for us probably depends on the individual fan's perspective, but I feel fairly certain that Paul Pierce wouldn't think it was in his best interest if he got traded.

Chance at another ring before retiring? I guarantee Ainge sits down with him and discusses the idea.

It's possible that he doesn't want to be traded and wants to ride out his final days in Boston. If that's true, then if I were Ainge I'd respect that and wouldn't trade him. However, it's just as possible that he wants to spend his final days helping a team not on the verge of a rebuild win it all.

I can't say for certain how Paul Pierce feels, but I highly doubt that the latter scenario is just as possible.

Maybe not and none of us can truly say how he feels but I highly doubt he's completely unopposed to the idea. Like I said though out of respect I'd hope Ainge only trades him if he welcomes it and only to a contender, such as Memphis
That's exactly my take on it too, esel.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: byennie on January 27, 2013, 11:38:31 PM
How about getting Denver involved and unloading to get Gay & McGee?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a699j9d

Celtics trade:
Pierce, Garnett, Green, Bass

Receive:
Rudy Gay, Javale McGee, Jerryd Bayless, $11.6M trade exception

Memphis gets Pierce & Green.
Denver gets Garnett & Bass.

Gay is overpaid, but we're unloading a lot of salary in this deal (including Green's overpaid deal) and McGee has a pretty reasonable contract.

I'd at least be intrigued to see what this lineup could do.

Rondo (Bayless/Terry for now)
Bradley
Gay
Sullinger
McGee

Those 5 "only" get paid $40M, leaving some wiggle room if we can unload Lee and Terry in separate deals.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: crownontherocks on January 27, 2013, 11:44:58 PM
Grizzlies & Nets emerge as possible landing spots for Pierce & Garnett

Danny Ainge is saying he hasn't decided what he's going to do with the Celtics. It was looking unlikely that the Celtics would be able to contend this season without a major trade. Now with Rajon Rondo out for the year Ainge has to decide whether adding a band aid for the season and hoping to make the 2nd round of the playoffs is the best strategy or if the team should go into full rebuild mode.

While Ainge has lamented how little value his veterans have on the trade market, if he chooses to trade Paul Pierce and/or Kevin Garnett, the Memphis Grizzlies and New Jersey Nets could be their next homes respectively.
One team that rival execs expect to be at the forefront of the Pierce pursuit is Memphis, which delayed but did not solve its long-term payroll concerns by getting under the luxury-tax line with last week's trade with Cleveland. While Memphis can survive for the rest of this season without trading Rudy Gay, Zach Randolph or Marc Gasol, it still cannot sustain such a top-heavy payroll for the next two seasons. Pierce would keep the Grizzlies dangerous -- arguably, make them more dangerous -- for the rest of this season, and allow them to reorganize their spending as soon as next season.

Would some big-spending contender -- the Nets, perhaps -- be willing to go all-in with a two-year rental of Kevin Garnett, whose ferocity and defensive leadership would cost $12.4 million next season plus the $6 million he'll be guaranteed in 2014-15 at age 38?

Celtics are in a difficult situation. Obviously KG would have to sign off on any trade due to his no-trade clause. Not sure if Pierce or KG would want any part of being on a rebuilding Celtics team, so f they're going to move on eventually, do you trade them now while you might actually get something of value in return? Or do you let Pierce leave on his own (to another team) in the Summer and KG retire and get nothing? It's been reported that Ainge laments not being able to pull off the Ray Allen/O.J. Mayo trade last year. I'm sure many names will be discussed up to the trade deadline. Seeing Pierce in Memphis or KG in Brooklyn would be surreal. Or either of those guys on any team for that matter. Sometimes the business of the NBA sucks.

http://www.celticslife.com/2013/01/grizzlies-nets-emerge-as-possible.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&m=1
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Lucky17 on January 27, 2013, 11:50:09 PM
The problem with Brooklyn as a landing spot for KG is that they have absolutely nothing to offer Boston in a trade.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: PhoSita on January 27, 2013, 11:51:49 PM
Trading Pierce to Memphis for Gay maybe makes sense, especially given Ainge's propensity to compile assets.  Even if he doesn't think Gay is better than Pierce, or that he's an especially valuable player, he might view him as a trade asset down the road.

As for Brooklyn, I just can't see a trade there.  What young assets do they have?  Are they going to trade us Kris Humphries for KG?  No thank you.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Eddie20 on January 27, 2013, 11:51:57 PM
I think Gay for Pierce makes sense. Realistically, we have to think more about next year than this one. And going forward the difference between Gay and Pierce will only widen. I think we need to take advantage of Pierce's still very solid play, as well as the Grizzlies wanting to shed cap for next season, in order to acquire a player of Gay's caliber. We would have Rondo, Gay, Green, Bradley, Sullinger, Melo, Lee (still only 27), and the 15th pick in this year's draft (if we finish 8th in the ECF) as a very solid foundation.

While it pains me to see Pierce wear a different jersey, this makes too much sense not to do.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: AB_Celtic on January 27, 2013, 11:58:54 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b93w9qh
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Kane3387 on January 28, 2013, 12:02:14 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b93w9qh

Doubt Memphis moves zbo for kardashian.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: PhoSita on January 28, 2013, 12:10:12 AM
I think Gay for Pierce makes sense. Realistically, we have to think more about next year than this one. And going forward the difference between Gay and Pierce will only widen. I think we need to take advantage of Pierce's still very solid play, as well as the Grizzlies wanting to shed cap for next season, in order to acquire a player of Gay's caliber. We would have Rondo, Gay, Green, Bradley, Sullinger, Melo, Lee (still only 27), and the 15th pick in this year's draft (if we finish 8th in the ECF) as a very solid foundation.

While it pains me to see Pierce wear a different jersey, this makes too much sense not to do.


Even if Gay isn't a long term building block, you could still package him along with our pick or one of our assets around draft time to move up high in the draft if Danny really likes somebody and some team devoid of talent really wants a scorer but didn't have the "win now" assets to give Memphis during the season.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: nostar on January 28, 2013, 12:12:22 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b93w9qh

Doubt Memphis moves zbo for kardashian.

Saves them $22.3M not including this season. With Hollinger at the helm it's very possible.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Eddie20 on January 28, 2013, 12:30:21 AM
I really doubt Ainge would trade KG within the division.


However, how about this trade...

KG & Pierce

for

Granger, Hibbert, & picks

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b7tlgf8

Indiana would immediately become the last team Miami would want to face in the playoffs and would have a starting lineup of:

West
Pierce
KG
Hill
George

Which would probably be the best defensive team in the league.

As for us, we would move forward with:

Rondo
Hibbert
Granger
Green
Bradley
Sullinger
Melo
Lee
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: syfy9 on January 28, 2013, 01:38:14 AM
I really doubt Ainge would trade KG within the division.


However, how about this trade...

KG & Pierce

for

Granger, Hibbert, & picks

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b7tlgf8

Indiana would immediately become the last team Miami would want to face in the playoffs and would have a starting lineup of:

West
Pierce
KG
Hill
George

Which would probably be the best defensive team in the league.

As for us, we would move forward with:

Rondo
Hibbert
Granger
Green
Bradley
Sullinger
Melo
Lee

TP. Good trade.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: clover on January 28, 2013, 02:44:41 AM
Jeff Green has a below league average (for SF or PF) TS% of 51.1, but Gay has an abysmal 48.0.

And Gay has a, gulp, max contract.

No, thanks.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: PhoSita on January 28, 2013, 02:45:58 AM
Jeff Green has a below league average (for SF or PF) TS% of 51.1, but Gay has an abysmal 48.0.

And Gay has a, gulp, max contract.

No, thanks.

To be fair, Rudy is having an off season so far.

The last 2-3 years he's been comfortably above average.

But, on the other hand, "comfortably above average" is tepid praise for a player making 16 mil a year.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Kuberski1 on January 28, 2013, 08:16:53 AM
No Rudy Gay on a max contract.....we would become the Ben G. / Charlie V. sub-par Pistons.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Moranis on January 28, 2013, 08:34:03 AM
Gay doesn't make sense for Boston because he isn't going to make them a contender.  Now if Boston could unload some bad contracts in the deal (like Bass, Green, Terry and/or Lee) then it makes a little more sense, but it doesn't for Memphis. 

A 3 team trade makes a lot more sense where Gay goes to the third team and Boston picks up some assets and/or salary relief.

These trades would make sense

Trade 1
Boston - Dudley, Johnson, Brown, PHO 1st
Phoenix - Gay
Memphis - Pierce

Trade 2
Boston - Butler, Odom, Bledsoe
Clippers - Gay
Memphis - Pierce

Trade 3
Boston - Henson, Dalembert, Dunleavy
Milwaukee - Gay
Memphis - Pierce


Or trades of a similar nature.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 28, 2013, 08:35:23 AM
No Rudy Gay on a max contract.....we would become the Ben G. / Charlie V. sub-par Pistons.

Yeah Im not liking Rudy on a Max deal either. His number this year are his least productive since his rookie season and he is having and even WORSE shooting year that Pierce is having.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 28, 2013, 08:38:10 AM
If we move Pierce to Memphis im only interested in Randolph and thats a deal that Memphis wouldn't have interest in.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: gpap on January 28, 2013, 08:49:58 AM
If the Celts deal Pierce for Gay, wouldn't that help them compete for this year as much as it would help them "for the future"?

I think a lineup of Bradley, Lee, Gay, Sullinger and KG is pretty darn good to just be a "rebuilding" team
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Cman on January 28, 2013, 09:24:23 AM
I tought we were thinking about pierce for gay possibility... Maybe im wrong...
Hoped for more interesting comments, but ok... Im stupid... You re right

Yes, at the end of the day it would basically be Pierce for Gay. Some posters are dreaming that the trade could be "expanded" so that Boston could get a lot more back. Other posters are simply posting, in their own way, that these dreams are ... dreams.
:)
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Moranis on January 28, 2013, 09:40:29 AM
If the Celts deal Pierce for Gay, wouldn't that help them compete for this year as much as it would help them "for the future"?

I think a lineup of Bradley, Lee, Gay, Sullinger and KG is pretty darn good to just be a "rebuilding" team
Except you can't rebuild with a team like that.  It is too good to truly rebuild and not good enough to truly compete.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 28, 2013, 09:41:07 AM
If the Celts deal Pierce for Gay, wouldn't that help them compete for this year as much as it would help them "for the future"?

I think a lineup of Bradley, Lee, Gay, Sullinger and KG is pretty darn good to just be a "rebuilding" team
Except you can't rebuild with a team like that.  It is too good to truly rebuild and not good enough to truly compete.

Rebuilding requires at least one great pick.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Celtics18 on January 28, 2013, 10:12:42 AM
If the Celts deal Pierce for Gay, wouldn't that help them compete for this year as much as it would help them "for the future"?

I think a lineup of Bradley, Lee, Gay, Sullinger and KG is pretty darn good to just be a "rebuilding" team

Nope.  I wouldn't have liked this deal even before Rondo went down, but now that we've lost our point guard, we need the Captain more than ever to play point forward for us.  I would have absolutely no confidence that Rudy Gay could fill that role anywhere near at Paul Pierce's level. 
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 28, 2013, 10:15:28 AM
If the Celts deal Pierce for Gay, wouldn't that help them compete for this year as much as it would help them "for the future"?

I think a lineup of Bradley, Lee, Gay, Sullinger and KG is pretty darn good to just be a "rebuilding" team

Nope.  I wouldn't have liked this deal even before Rondo went down, but now that we've lost our point guard, we need the Captain more than ever to play point forward for us.  I would have absolutely no confidence that Rudy Gay could fill that role anywhere near at Paul Pierce's level.

Agreed. And also, you would probably have to take KG out of the rebuilding lineup as I would think he would retire before going into rebuilding mode.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: MBunge on January 28, 2013, 10:25:50 AM
There's 0 reason to trade Pierce unless you've also got a deal to ship out KG.  Would Utah, Golden state or Denver want KG?

Mike
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 28, 2013, 10:35:38 AM
There's 0 reason to trade Pierce unless you've also got a deal to ship out KG.  Would Utah, Golden state or Denver want KG?

Mike

In my bogus trade ideas I wondered if Pierce to Utah for Jefferson's expiring would make sense for either party involved. Even though I dont want to trade Pierce and I dont particularly want Jefferson.

Trade KG to OKC and Pierce to Utah to maximize our return and cap space.

KG and Terry for Martin's expiring, Maynor's expiring, and Perry Jones.

Pierce to Utah for Jefferson's expiring.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: gpap on January 28, 2013, 10:36:47 AM
If the Celts deal Pierce for Gay, wouldn't that help them compete for this year as much as it would help them "for the future"?

I think a lineup of Bradley, Lee, Gay, Sullinger and KG is pretty darn good to just be a "rebuilding" team

Nope.  I wouldn't have liked this deal even before Rondo went down, but now that we've lost our point guard, we need the Captain more than ever to play point forward for us.  I would have absolutely no confidence that Rudy Gay could fill that role anywhere near at Paul Pierce's level.

Not quite sure I am following this line of thinking. So, what you are saying is if the Celtics keep Pierce, they have a slim chance of competing. If they swap him with Gay (which I could make an argument is every bit the player Pierce is if not better at this stage) then the Celtics season is done.

Not quite buying that one. I think if the Celts can land Gay for Pierce and then land a PG to replace Rondo like Lowry, then your starting line up is on par if not better than it was when you had Rondo, AB, Pierce, KG and Bass.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 28, 2013, 10:52:48 AM
Is Gay really an asset, though?

The Grizzlies want to trade Gay for good reason. He's one of the most overpaid players in the league.

For 16.5 million per year, Gay is not playing extremely well and, worse, is not really improving. The analytics mostly agree on this... theNBAgeek actually rates him as below average for his career: he produces about 0.08 wins per 48 minutes while the average SF produces about 0.1

His player efficiency rating is generally in the 17 range, while an average player rates a 15. Salary-wise, a player with a 17 PER is worth about 10-12 million per year, which would make Gay overpaid by about 50%.

We like to overlook PER when we are talking about excellent defensive players, but Gay is not one. Last year, the Grizzlies gave up 6 fewer points per possession when they swapped him out for guys like Quincy Pondexter and Donte Cunningham.

His adjusted plus minus is also extremely ordinary. The Grizzlies are a solid team, but they have generally been less than one point better when Gay is on the floor. This year, he's actually a zero. A player in his tax bracket ought to have an adjusted plus minus in the 3-10 point range. Paul Pierce, with the terrible time he's having this year, is still a +2 for us.

Gay is coming into his prime, and yet all of the metrics I mention here are trending DOWN, not up. Gay's performance has been in slow decline since 2010-11.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Celtics18 on January 28, 2013, 10:56:54 AM
If the Celts deal Pierce for Gay, wouldn't that help them compete for this year as much as it would help them "for the future"?

I think a lineup of Bradley, Lee, Gay, Sullinger and KG is pretty darn good to just be a "rebuilding" team

Nope.  I wouldn't have liked this deal even before Rondo went down, but now that we've lost our point guard, we need the Captain more than ever to play point forward for us.  I would have absolutely no confidence that Rudy Gay could fill that role anywhere near at Paul Pierce's level.

Not quite sure I am following this line of thinking. So, what you are saying is if the Celtics keep Pierce, they have a slim chance of competing. If they swap him with Gay (which I could make an argument is every bit the player Pierce is if not better at this stage) then the Celtics season is done.

Not quite buying that one. I think if the Celts can land Gay for Pierce and then land a PG to replace Rondo like Lowry, then your starting line up is on par if not better than it was when you had Rondo, AB, Pierce, KG and Bass.

You've pretty much got that right.  Although, I wouldn't use the adjective "slim."

I've got a return question for you;  once you trade Pierce for Gay, who do you trade to get Lowry?  I don't think Toronto is planning to just give him away. 
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 28, 2013, 11:02:21 AM
If the Celts deal Pierce for Gay, wouldn't that help them compete for this year as much as it would help them "for the future"?

I think a lineup of Bradley, Lee, Gay, Sullinger and KG is pretty darn good to just be a "rebuilding" team

Nope.  I wouldn't have liked this deal even before Rondo went down, but now that we've lost our point guard, we need the Captain more than ever to play point forward for us.  I would have absolutely no confidence that Rudy Gay could fill that role anywhere near at Paul Pierce's level.

Not quite sure I am following this line of thinking. So, what you are saying is if the Celtics keep Pierce, they have a slim chance of competing. If they swap him with Gay (which I could make an argument is every bit the player Pierce is if not better at this stage) then the Celtics season is done.

Not quite buying that one. I think if the Celts can land Gay for Pierce and then land a PG to replace Rondo like Lowry, then your starting line up is on par if not better than it was when you had Rondo, AB, Pierce, KG and Bass.

You've pretty much got that right.  Although, I wouldn't use the adjective "slim."

I've got a return question for you;  once you trade Pierce for Gay, who do you trade to get Lowry?  I don't think Toronto is planning to just give him away.

Gay is certainly more youthful but he is not better than Pierce. Especially this season thus far.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 28, 2013, 11:04:30 AM
There's 0 reason to trade Pierce unless you've also got a deal to ship out KG.  Would Utah, Golden state or Denver want KG?

Mike

I thought the same thing, Mike. We could be a king-maker for Denver or Golden State by trading both KG and Pierce in exchange for bad contracts and a young assets.

For example, we could send both to Golden State and take back Bogut (who has been hurt all season), Barnes (the asset), and either Biedrins or Jefferson, who are expensive dead weight for them.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: gpap on January 28, 2013, 11:17:01 AM


I've got a return question for you;  once you trade Pierce for Gay, who do you trade to get Lowry?  I don't think Toronto is planning to just give him away.
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Yeah it's a tough one. I THINK if the Celtics agree to pick up Barganini as a throw-in, then they could be able to obtain Lowry.

From what I read, Toronto is looking to unload him

Problem there is coming up with the assets. If you could land Lowry and Bargiani by dealing Lee and Bass, then go for it.

Between Terry, Barbosa and AB, Lee becomes expendable (although Lee is starting to pick it up.)

If Toronto requests Jeff Green, then that might be a different story. It all really depends on Pierce's situation.

If Pierce stays (which I think he will) then Green becomes somewhat expendable. If Pierce goes, then you will need Green for depth at the 3.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 28, 2013, 11:19:52 AM

Yeah it's a tough one. I THINK if the Celtics agree to pick up Barganini as a throw-in, then they could be able to obtain Lowry.

From what I read, Toronto is looking to unload him


...but then you would have Bargnani on your team. Ewww

I also can't imagine Toronto having interest in Jeff Green unless we take back Landry Fields... an overpaid, below average back-up small forward, i.e. their version of Jeff Green.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 28, 2013, 11:19:58 AM


I've got a return question for you;  once you trade Pierce for Gay, who do you trade to get Lowry?  I don't think Toronto is planning to just give him away.


Yeah it's a tough one. I THINK if the Celtics agree to pick up Barganini as a throw-in, then they could be able to obtain Lowry.

From what I read, Toronto is looking to unload him

Problem there is coming up with the assets. If you could land Lowry and Bargiani by dealing Lee and Bass, then go for it.

Between Terry, Barbosa and AB, Lee becomes expendable (although Lee is starting to pick it up.)

If Toronto requests Jeff Green, then that might be a different story. It all really depends on Pierce's situation.

If Pierce stays (which I think he will) then Green becomes somewhat expendable. If Pierce goes, then you will need Green for depth at the 3.

I dont really see Bargs as a "throw in". Plus, Lowry and Bargs together make 16 - 17 mil. Lee and Bass would only be returning 11.

Plus I dont want to see Lee traded unless we land a big fish/all star with him in the deal which is not going to happen. Lee has been playing really good ball for us in his minutes. If Green can play D on everybody like he did on Lebron this sunday, then Bradley, Lee, and Green provide a great youthful defensive trio that can also hold their own on the offense as well.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: Celtics18 on January 28, 2013, 11:42:41 AM


I've got a return question for you;  once you trade Pierce for Gay, who do you trade to get Lowry?  I don't think Toronto is planning to just give him away.
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Yeah it's a tough one. I THINK if the Celtics agree to pick up Barganini as a throw-in, then they could be able to obtain Lowry.

From what I read, Toronto is looking to unload him

Problem there is coming up with the assets. If you could land Lowry and Bargiani by dealing Lee and Bass, then go for it.

Between Terry, Barbosa and AB, Lee becomes expendable (although Lee is starting to pick it up.)

If Toronto requests Jeff Green, then that might be a different story. It all really depends on Pierce's situation.

If Pierce stays (which I think he will) then Green becomes somewhat expendable. If Pierce goes, then you will need Green for depth at the 3.
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If we could get Lowry and Bargs for Lee and Bass, I might be interested (that seems unlikely to me, but I guess stranger things have happened).  I still wouldn't do Pierce for Gay, though.
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: DavorCroatiaFan on January 28, 2013, 11:45:32 AM
Would annyone make this trade:
BOS: out Pierce, Bass, Collins
      in Gortat, Lowry, Beasley
MEM: out Gay
      in Pierce
PHO: out Gortat, Beasley, Johnson, Brown
      in Gay, Bass, Collins
TOR: out Lowry
      in Johnson, Brown, BOS 2nd round, PHO 2nd round

Lowry / Terry / Barbosa
Bradley / Lee / Terry
Green / Beasley / Lee
Garnett / Sullinger / Wilcox
Gortat / Garnett / Melo
Title: Re: CBS Sports: "Memphis likely to pursue Paul Pierce"
Post by: RIPRED on January 28, 2013, 12:02:32 PM
Sorry, but never trade Pierce.

+1

Unless we're going into complete tank for draft pick mode, Pierce woul dbe the last person I trade from the team.