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Title: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: More Banners on January 27, 2013, 07:50:17 PM
Well, folks, here we have it:  a test of our collective Auerbachian temperament.

Obviously, the injury changes everything.  No Rondo this season, even for the most optimistic, couldn't get us more than a 2nd round out.  And he might be affected next year as well.

Some say screw it, trade and tank.  I say we raise one more banner this June.

Pierce and KG won't go down without a fight (nor will JET).

Our guard rotation, even without Rondo, is incredibly talented.  Each player is playoff-caliber rotation.  I think we're okay there, but will need to balance the loss of Rondo's talent on the floor.

We have some great young pieces, but need a go-to scorer that can play two-ways.  And we could take him at almost any position, and the other guys can probably fit around just fine.

If Rondo can draw a solid scoring threat, you know, from some other non-Auerbachian team that wants to tank for picks and cap space to rebuild rather than win now and always, then I think we can not only win this year, but be a better team by moving the ball through everyone's hands better.

Chins up, guys.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: lightspeed5 on January 27, 2013, 07:51:43 PM
this team as is can beat the heat. ill stick with this team.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 27, 2013, 07:53:36 PM
this team as is can beat the heat. ill stick with this team.

Same here!
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: vinnie on January 27, 2013, 07:54:46 PM
Well, folks, here we have it:  a test of our collective Auerbachian temperament.

Obviously, the injury changes everything.  No Rondo this season, even for the most optimistic, couldn't get us more than a 2nd round out.

Some say screw it, trade and tank.  I say we raise one more banner this June.

Pierce and KG won't go down without a fight (nor will JET).

Our guard rotation, even without Rondo, is incredibly talented.  Each player is playoff-caliber rotation.  I think we're okay there, but will need to balance the loss of Rondo's talent on the floor.

We have some great young pieces, but need a go-to scorer that can play two-ways.  And we could take him at almost any position, and the other guys can probably fit around just fine.

If Rondo can draw a solid scoring threat, you know, from some other non-Auerbachian team that wants to tank for picks and cap space to rebuild rather than win now and always, then I think we can not only win this year, but be a better team by moving the ball through everyone's hands better.

Chins up, guys.

Each player in our guard rotation is playoff caliber? What does that even mean? What are the playoff records of Lee and Barbosa? How many playoff games has Avery Bradley played in? The only guy playoff tested is Terry and so far this year he has looked terrible in most games.

Each guard is incredibly talented? Really? Incredibly talented?  How do you qualify this? Lee and Bradley are strong defensive guards, but neither is a great offensive player. Terry is a shooter who for the most part does not seem to be able to shoot anymore and Barbosa is a good 4th guard of the bench. If that qualifies as incredibly talented, okay.

As for trading Rondo, I think it might be tough to get a lot back for him given that no one knows how he will play once he returns. I am sure we all expect the best, but who knows?

They beat the Heat ONCE. They are still 2 games under .500.

The Bizarro episode of Celtics Blog continues.......I am actually getting a kick out of this place tonight.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: guava_wrench on January 27, 2013, 08:02:17 PM
Just vague generalizations.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Sketch5 on January 27, 2013, 08:04:25 PM
I agree with the OP.

Why cry about it ad give up. The four guards we have now can play the point by comity. I like the Lee/Ab back court.

The only moves I'd make would be for either a big to help KG out or some one that can shoot the three to spread the floor.

It would be unfair for KG and PP to play on a tanking team. I don't think we could really get anything back from them that would help us out in the future.

So I say fight, and if we don't win it all, at least take Miami down with us!
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: More Banners on January 27, 2013, 08:06:57 PM
don't think he literally meant to trade Rondo.

How bout you take a reading comprehension course, Vinnie?

 ::)

Actually, I did.

This season, he's out.  Next season, he's still recovering.

During that time, we have two seasons of KG, an allstar big, and a very nice surrounding cast that includes Pierce, a great #2 option at this stage.  The only thing we don't have (as Pierce ages) is a go-to scorer and a pure point guard.

We can live without a pure point guard.  Most teams, and many, many champions, do. 

At present, we have two defensive wonders and two recent former 6POYrs.  Maybe the shortened rotations will clarify things, and I think that group can jell.

We need an offensive closer in his prime more than anything else, either way.  The Miami win doesn't change that.  The injury just adds up to using Rondo, salary filler, a pick, and cash to make it happen.

Rondo, Bass, #1 for a max guy on a team that needs to rebuild.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: vinnie on January 27, 2013, 08:07:24 PM
don't think he literally meant to trade Rondo.

How bout you take a reading comprehension course, Vinnie?

 ::)

Really. This is from his post:

"If Rondo can draw a solid scoring threat, you know, from some other non-Auerbachian team that wants to tank for picks and cap space to rebuild rather than win now and always, then I think we can not only win this year, but be a better team by moving the ball through everyone's hands better."

Sounds like he wants to trade Rondo to me. Plus, the title of the thread is "trade Rondo for a championship." Guess he doesn't want to trade him then.

I gotta leave this place for awhile and I am sure most of you won't miss me. All of this talk about the team being better without Rondo is making my head hurt. Adios.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 27, 2013, 08:08:24 PM
this team as is can beat the heat. ill stick with this team.

drink up shriners!
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 27, 2013, 08:09:18 PM
how do you trade him now ? he is hurt! WHat you probably could have gotten for him is gone now.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: kgainez on January 27, 2013, 08:20:57 PM
i have to find a sarcasm font.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 27, 2013, 08:21:57 PM
how do you trade him now ? he is hurt! WHat you probably could have gotten for him is gone now.

Yeah, I mean he isn't worth much now!
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: BballTim on January 27, 2013, 08:27:21 PM
Well, folks, here we have it:  a test of our collective Auerbachian temperament.

Obviously, the injury changes everything.  No Rondo this season, even for the most optimistic, couldn't get us more than a 2nd round out.

Some say screw it, trade and tank.  I say we raise one more banner this June.

Pierce and KG won't go down without a fight (nor will JET).

Our guard rotation, even without Rondo, is incredibly talented.  Each player is playoff-caliber rotation.  I think we're okay there, but will need to balance the loss of Rondo's talent on the floor.

We have some great young pieces, but need a go-to scorer that can play two-ways.  And we could take him at almost any position, and the other guys can probably fit around just fine.

If Rondo can draw a solid scoring threat, you know, from some other non-Auerbachian team that wants to tank for picks and cap space to rebuild rather than win now and always, then I think we can not only win this year, but be a better team by moving the ball through everyone's hands better.

Chins up, guys.

Each player in our guard rotation is playoff caliber? What does that even mean? What are the playoff records of Lee and Barbosa? How many playoff games has Avery Bradley played in? The only guy playoff tested is Terry and so far this year he has looked terrible in most games.

Each guard is incredibly talented? Really? Incredibly talented?  How do you qualify this? Lee and Bradley are strong defensive guards, but neither is a great offensive player. Terry is a shooter who for the most part does not seem to be able to shoot anymore and Barbosa is a good 4th guard of the bench. If that qualifies as incredibly talented, okay.

  It's true that all the guards (sans Barbosa possibly) are playoff rotation caliber, but it's not true that they are incredibly talented. You could claim that they're average(ish) players, but you need well above average players to win in the postseason.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: More Banners on January 27, 2013, 09:23:10 PM
how do you trade him now ? he is hurt! WHat you probably could have gotten for him is gone now.

Yeah, I mean he isn't worth much now!

I think the question is who would he be worth a lot to...

and the answer is obviously a team that is looking ahead, not now, and might want to make something happen to ensure a better team later; basically a team that doesn't have enough and needs another year to put it together (and can wait for ROndo to heal).

SO we don't get a starting allstar in his prime on an incredible contract...but I think there's a good chance we can get in a deal that brings in someone that might put us over the edge this year and next, while only costing Rondo plus a pick and filler.

So call about Rondo/Bass for Gasol straight up (Lakers won't make playoffs anyway and are out west).  Consider other superstars.

Look at some other unhappy star, or someone that will be gone this year anyway (Big Al dreamers can chime in).

THere are just too many options that can help us.  WE have so many guys that could be great #2 options, but need a new #1 on offense for this year and next, at least.

We can do this, guys, but we have go be aggressive and go get it, not pack it in and doom ourselves to the lottery.

Remenber how bad that sucks?
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: scaryjerry on January 27, 2013, 09:26:47 PM
LOL. I really really dont get whats going on.

with rondo very very few were confident in this team or winning a championship. He goes down for the year and we're getting these championship threads?

um....doesnt make any sense...

rondo going down for the year didnt make KG and pierce 10 years younger.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: More Banners on January 27, 2013, 09:27:48 PM
LOL. I really really dont get whats going on.

with rondo very very few were confident in this team or winning a championship. He goes down for the year and we're getting these championship threads?

um....doesnt make any sense

Think of it as an "anti-blow up the whole darned thing" thread if you like.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: action781 on January 27, 2013, 09:41:27 PM
If Bynum can come back and play this postseason, what about a trade based around Rondo for Bynum?  I'd expect it to be a 3 team deal sending Holiday somewhere and likely Bass or Sullinger somewhere as well, but just spit balling here.  It would surely put the celtics back into contention this season
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: syfy9 on January 27, 2013, 09:41:40 PM
LOL. I really really dont get whats going on.

with rondo very very few were confident in this team or winning a championship. He goes down for the year and we're getting these championship threads?

um....doesnt make any sense...

rondo going down for the year didnt make KG and pierce 10 years younger.

I think it's a fair point that the team operates better systematically without Rondo. More passing and ball movement, and less of Rondo's matador defense.


That being said, Rondo sets up his teammates incredibly well. Easy baskets will be harder to come by.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: syfy9 on January 27, 2013, 09:43:15 PM
If Bynum can come back and play this postseason, what about a trade based around Rondo for Bynum?  I'd expect it to be a 3 team deal sending Holiday somewhere and likely Bass or Sullinger somewhere as well, but just spit balling here.  It would surely put the celtics back into contention this season

You could make a case that Jrue Holiday is an elite point guard now. 19.4 and 8.9 is really good. I doubt he'd be traded - He's Philly's building block for the future now.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: More Banners on January 28, 2013, 09:18:54 AM
Tossing some names around,

Rondo for:

Okafor

Al Jefferson

Nene

I think that's worth thinking about straight-up for an injured Rondo.  Heartbreaking as it may be, we might have a shot this year if Danny's willing to roll the dice and there's a willing parter.

Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: snowball on January 28, 2013, 09:24:42 AM
Tired of people underestimating Barbosa.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: wdleehi on January 28, 2013, 09:33:45 AM
Rondo's trade value is now really, really low. 


Teams trading for him have to look at him as not being available until the 2014-2015 season.  (yes, I know there is a really good chance he will be back midway next season, but team have to look at worst case scenarios)


At that point, how many years are left on the contract?  One player option. 



So which "lotto" team in their right mind is going to trade for Rondo who may only play one season for them in the future and give up something significant?
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Fafnir on January 28, 2013, 09:34:55 AM
Yeah Rondo would still have value, but not enough for the C's to consider parting with him.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: ssspence on January 28, 2013, 09:44:52 AM
Rondo's trade value is now really, really low. 


Teams trading for him have to look at him as not being available until the 2014-2015 season.  (yes, I know there is a really good chance he will be back midway next season, but team have to look at worst case scenarios)


At that point, how many years are left on the contract?  One player option. 



So which "lotto" team in their right mind is going to trade for Rondo who may only play one season for them in the future and give up something significant?

Think it depends a little on the severity of the injury, which is not yet clear.

I'll tell you one team I think would take a chance on Rondo: Dallas -- in part because they'd not take much risk in trading for him.

I could see Cuban trading Mayo (Player Option after this season he'll not take), Collison (RFA) and salary for Rondo. I could also see Ainge doing that deal (but only if the Cs keep Mayo's Bird Rights if he doesn't pick up his option -- can anyone clarify?).

As long as what Dallas takes back doesn't remove their ability to offer one max contract this offseason, I suspect Cuban would be all ears. It would make signing Howard more likely, IMO.

There's a few ways this could be done. Here are two versions -- I'd prefer V1 over V2, if Cuban would go there:

#1) http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bxfbq57

#2) http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=acd5ewl 

Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Fafnir on January 28, 2013, 09:45:55 AM
Dallas doesn't have any bird rights for Mayo, just like with Posey. So if they were to trade him the team getting him would have no advantage in signing him. (at least beyond the non-bird exemption if that still exists in the new CBA)
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Moranis on January 28, 2013, 09:46:34 AM
don't think he literally meant to trade Rondo.

How bout you take a reading comprehension course, Vinnie?

 ::)

Actually, I did.

This season, he's out.  Next season, he's still recovering.

During that time, we have two seasons of KG, an allstar big, and a very nice surrounding cast that includes Pierce, a great #2 option at this stage.  The only thing we don't have (as Pierce ages) is a go-to scorer and a pure point guard.

We can live without a pure point guard.  Most teams, and many, many champions, do. 

At present, we have two defensive wonders and two recent former 6POYrs.  Maybe the shortened rotations will clarify things, and I think that group can jell.

We need an offensive closer in his prime more than anything else, either way.  The Miami win doesn't change that.  The injury just adds up to using Rondo, salary filler, a pick, and cash to make it happen.

Rondo, Bass, #1 for a max guy on a team that needs to rebuild.
and yet with all this supposed talent + Rondo, Boston is a below .500 team.  Don't you think that maybe just maybe you are significantly overrating how good Boston is/was.  Time to face reality, Boston was not going to win a title with Rondo and certainly is not going to without him. 
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: twistedrico14 on January 28, 2013, 09:55:23 AM
I also like this team. If we can move Bass and get another big body that can rebound then I think that is all we need to do right now.. I have a good feeling that Jeff Green is going to be a heavy contributor the rest of the way if Doc gives him 30 minutes a game.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: eugen on January 28, 2013, 10:36:13 AM
Cs play better withiut Rondo and this ia a fact...To be traded Rondo is too be healthy. is the 2nd time after 201011 season whwn he is out of season. Fragile player, and reason to trade him
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 28, 2013, 10:58:40 AM
Cs play better withiut Rondo and this ia a fact...To be traded Rondo is too be healthy. is the 2nd time after 201011 season whwn he is out of season. Fragile player, and reason to trade him

Ha. Funny.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: snowball on February 04, 2013, 07:10:25 AM
Let's do it. Trade Rondo.
His value won't be affected much.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 04, 2013, 07:31:37 AM
Keep Rondo.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: alajet on February 04, 2013, 07:42:19 AM
Sigh, this blog's bandwagon's are unparalleled in this universe.
We won six in a row and we were going to conference-finals at worst. Lost six in a row and we were lottery bound. Won four in a row again, and now we are lifting a banner.

For a team with aging stars, it's only natural to get this kind of wavy results. We aren't getting anything in return to win a championship, so, there is no point in trading Rondo when his value is at its lowest.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: kozlodoev on February 04, 2013, 07:48:26 AM
Sadly, I'm pretty sure you can only trade players for other players, and you must earn the championships on the court.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 04, 2013, 07:54:30 AM
don't see trading Rondo anytime soon.  Everybody will wait to see how he heals up.  Maybe Rondo can work on his shooting  .   He has improved nicely long as he has a wide open shot.

Rondo needs to learn to get himself more of the the short range jumpers like Cp3 to win games or get fouled t.  Rondo needs a closing game.  to earn the respect he wants.  He needs to be able to make a play the last minute of a game to help his team win , be it a shot he gets himself or pass.

Until, he learns to shoot free throws at a high percentage and make a few important shots to win the day for his team the arguments will never end

Rondo needs an attitude adjustment , either play as  team , get everybody touches, no lazy play or stupid clown passes or hit the road .
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 04, 2013, 08:49:04 AM
When Rondo was healthy, we had a shot at a championship.  Unless we trade him for a superstar (LeBron, Durant, Howard, Paul, etc.), we aren't winning a championship.  Plus, he's injured.  Nobody is going to trade for a guy who just blew his knee out.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: BballTim on February 04, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
don't see trading Rondo anytime soon.  Everybody will wait to see how he heals up.  Maybe Rondo can work on his shooting  .   He has improved nicely long as he has a wide open shot.

Rondo needs to learn to get himself more of the the short range jumpers like Cp3 to win games or get fouled t.  Rondo needs a closing game.  to earn the respect he wants.  He needs to be able to make a play the last minute of a game to help his team win , be it a shot he gets himself or pass.

  Rondo makes a good amount of plays in the last minute of a game to help his team win, whether it's a basket, assist, rebound or steal.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: wdleehi on February 04, 2013, 09:03:31 AM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?



No one knows how long he will be out.  A team trading for him have to think that he will be out the max time.


With leaves one season before Rondo has a player option that we know he is going to opt out of.




So, what piece of value are the Celtics going to get for a single year rental of a player no one can be sure of when he returns (again, if a team trades for Rondo, the worst case scenario has to be though of)how good he will still be?



It would be a terrible use of Rondo as piece for the Celtics.  If the Celtics want to trade him, they have to do it when he is playing well.  (or at least playing)
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: snowball on February 04, 2013, 09:20:21 AM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?



No one knows how long he will be out.  A team trading for him have to think that he will be out the max time.


With leaves one season before Rondo has a player option that we know he is going to opt out of.




So, what piece of value are the Celtics going to get for a single year rental of a player no one can be sure of when he returns (again, if a team trades for Rondo, the worst case scenario has to be though of)how good he will still be?



It would be a terrible use of Rondo as piece for the Celtics.  If the Celtics want to trade him, they have to do it when he is playing well.  (or at least playing)

This is not true. Interested teams will listen
to their doctors recommendations. RR is coming back
next season, RR's trade value is not affected very
much because he is still young, nobody is saying this
injury is going to hurt his career. I would bet that
there are at least a handful of teams who would trade
to get Rondo's contract at $11 mil/yr which is good
for 2 more full seasons after this one.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Fred Roberts on February 04, 2013, 09:30:27 AM
I agree that Rondo's trade value is down, but it's not like it's gone. Derrick Rose went down hard, and it's not like his value went to zero. He was playing as a top 5 (or so) player in the NBA. Chicago could have traded him for something significant. Boston could get something for Rondo now, but not as much.

It's not like any offers for Rondo last year wowed Danny, so Rondo is likely sticking with the Celts for a while. That said, if we were determined to trade him, I bet we could get maybe 1/2 of what Brooklyn gave up for Deron Williams.

In that deal "The Nets will send Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, two first-round draft picks and cash considerations to Utah for the All-Star point guard." I imagine the Celts could get 1 first rounder and a good young second player back.

That said, I agree that it's not worth trading Rondo now as it's not going to put us over the top or get us full value for what he's still worth. He can return and mesh with our team next year.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: wdleehi on February 04, 2013, 09:32:08 AM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?



No one knows how long he will be out.  A team trading for him have to think that he will be out the max time.


With leaves one season before Rondo has a player option that we know he is going to opt out of.




So, what piece of value are the Celtics going to get for a single year rental of a player no one can be sure of when he returns (again, if a team trades for Rondo, the worst case scenario has to be though of)how good he will still be?



It would be a terrible use of Rondo as piece for the Celtics.  If the Celtics want to trade him, they have to do it when he is playing well.  (or at least playing)

This is not true. Interested teams will listen
to their doctors recommendations. RR is coming back
next season, RR's trade value is not affected very
much because he is still young, nobody is saying this
injury is going to hurt his career. I would bet that
there are at least a handful of teams who would trade
to get Rondo's contract at $11 mil/yr which is good
for 2 more full seasons after this one.


When did doctors say Rose was going to come back?


Trading Rondo now will give the Celtics the smallest possible return for him.  It makes no sense to trade him now unless the Celtics want to end up the next Bobcats in two years. 


I am all for making a trade that improves the team this season, but not at the expense of selling one true foundational piece the Celtics have at the lowest point of his value.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: ssspence on February 04, 2013, 09:33:23 AM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?


Not many teams. But I'll name one: Phoenix. If they felt he'd be back before 1/1/2014, I could see them trading for him.

They need a franchise player who is a winner wicked bad.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: wdleehi on February 04, 2013, 09:34:38 AM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?


Not many teams. But I'll name one: Phoenix. If they felt he'd be back before 1/1/2014, I could see them trading for him.

They need a franchise player who is a winner wicked bad.



1)  Do they really have the luxury of taking that gamble

2)  There is no one there I would want back in a trade for Rondo. 
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Fafnir on February 04, 2013, 09:35:14 AM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?


Not many teams. But I'll name one: Phoenix. If they felt he'd be back before 1/1/2014, I could see them trading for him.

They need a franchise player who is a winner wicked bad.
I don't see it for either team.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: BballTim on February 04, 2013, 09:40:32 AM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?


Not many teams. But I'll name one: Phoenix. If they felt he'd be back before 1/1/2014, I could see them trading for him.

They need a franchise player who is a winner wicked bad.

 Luckily we don't need one.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Moranis on February 04, 2013, 10:01:19 AM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?



No one knows how long he will be out.  A team trading for him have to think that he will be out the max time.


With leaves one season before Rondo has a player option that we know he is going to opt out of.




So, what piece of value are the Celtics going to get for a single year rental of a player no one can be sure of when he returns (again, if a team trades for Rondo, the worst case scenario has to be though of)how good he will still be?



It would be a terrible use of Rondo as piece for the Celtics.  If the Celtics want to trade him, they have to do it when he is playing well.  (or at least playing)
I think Atlanta would. Bringing in Rondo, makes it far more likely they can keep Josh Smith, and Atlanta has Louis Williams out for the year.  That means Boston could probably pretty easily get Williams and some other assets from Atlanta for Rondo

This would work

Rondo for Williams, Jenkins, Korver/Morrow, 2013 1st (houston its lotto protected), 2014 1st (atlanta)

Pretty solid value for Rondo and a trade that makes sense for the team acquiring him.  Other players could be added to the team from both sides (for example, maybe Boston moves Terry and both Korver and Morrow are included).
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: wdleehi on February 04, 2013, 10:06:50 AM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?



No one knows how long he will be out.  A team trading for him have to think that he will be out the max time.


With leaves one season before Rondo has a player option that we know he is going to opt out of.




So, what piece of value are the Celtics going to get for a single year rental of a player no one can be sure of when he returns (again, if a team trades for Rondo, the worst case scenario has to be though of)how good he will still be?



It would be a terrible use of Rondo as piece for the Celtics.  If the Celtics want to trade him, they have to do it when he is playing well.  (or at least playing)
I think Atlanta would. Bringing in Rondo, makes it far more likely they can keep Josh Smith, and Atlanta has Louis Williams out for the year.  That means Boston could probably pretty easily get Williams and some other assets from Atlanta for Rondo

This would work

Rondo for Williams, Jenkins, Korver/Morrow, 2013 1st (houston its lotto protected), 2014 1st (atlanta)

Pretty solid value for Rondo and a trade that makes sense for the team acquiring him.  Other players could be added to the team from both sides (for example, maybe Boston moves Terry and both Korver and Morrow are included).






Does Atlanta actually want to keep Smith?  And if Smith still walks, can they keep Rondo when the player's option comes up.


And why would they give up two 1st for a player that may not be back until 2014-2015?



Finally, that move doesn't help the Celtics improve their chances this season.  Just adds more guards/swingmen of similar talent level.   
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Moranis on February 04, 2013, 10:20:20 AM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?



No one knows how long he will be out.  A team trading for him have to think that he will be out the max time.


With leaves one season before Rondo has a player option that we know he is going to opt out of.




So, what piece of value are the Celtics going to get for a single year rental of a player no one can be sure of when he returns (again, if a team trades for Rondo, the worst case scenario has to be though of)how good he will still be?



It would be a terrible use of Rondo as piece for the Celtics.  If the Celtics want to trade him, they have to do it when he is playing well.  (or at least playing)
I think Atlanta would. Bringing in Rondo, makes it far more likely they can keep Josh Smith, and Atlanta has Louis Williams out for the year.  That means Boston could probably pretty easily get Williams and some other assets from Atlanta for Rondo

This would work

Rondo for Williams, Jenkins, Korver/Morrow, 2013 1st (houston its lotto protected), 2014 1st (atlanta)

Pretty solid value for Rondo and a trade that makes sense for the team acquiring him.  Other players could be added to the team from both sides (for example, maybe Boston moves Terry and both Korver and Morrow are included).






Does Atlanta actually want to keep Smith?  And if Smith still walks, can they keep Rondo when the player's option comes up.


And why would they give up two 1st for a player that may not be back until 2014-2015?



Finally, that move doesn't help the Celtics improve their chances this season.  Just adds more guards/swingmen of similar talent level.
You are right it doesn't help Boston much this season, but I was more about answering your question on a team that would give up value and that would want Rondo.  The 2 firsts aren't that big of a deal to Atlanta as they still have their own this year, the Rockets is lottery protected, and I imagine they would lottery protect the 2014 1st (so it isn't like they are giving up top 5 picks).

But for a team looking to rebuild, 2 firsts, even later first rounders, is nice value, plus you add Williams who is darn good but injured and Jenkins (who has shown at least ok potential).  At the same time, Atlanta doesn't give up much that will help them this year and gives up nothing that will convince Smith to stay, which brings me to your other question. I believe Atlanta wants to keep Smith, otherwise they would be actively trying to move him, which they are not doing (there are no rumors from anyone with him, which means they aren't actively looking at it). And yes, I believe Atlanta would want to and be able to keep Rondo in 2015, if they wanted to. 
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: nostar on February 04, 2013, 10:25:09 AM
If I were a GM for a rebuilding team you can bet I would have already called about Rondo. I'd like to strike a deal with Detroit if I could. Rondo for Drummond, Calderon and a pick. I think it would have to be 2 separate trades but I'd probably trade Rondo for a center prospect like Drummond and a pick. Detroit obviously gets the better of the talent deal but the C's start rebuilding in a big way and don't hurt this years roster any more than it has been already. Here's another idea:

KG/Barbosa to LAC for Bledsoe/Jordon
Rondo to DET for Drummond/Calderon and 1st
Pierce to Chicago for Boozer and the 1st (from CHA)
JET/Melo to Memphis for Wroten/Allen

That outs all of our veteran leadership on long contracts and ins Bledsoe/Jordon/Drummond/Boozer/Wroten plus two 1st (Allen/Calderon are on expirings). I honestly can't tell if this is just me overvaluing our assets or not. Chicago would definitely do it though. Shedding Boozer and waiving Pierce saves them for years to come. LAC would be a tough sell for a rental in KG. Detroit is probably 50/50 and Memphis probably says no. A girl can dream though :)
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Bombastic Jones on February 04, 2013, 11:20:33 AM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?


Not many teams. But I'll name one: Phoenix. If they felt he'd be back before 1/1/2014, I could see them trading for him.

They need a franchise player who is a winner wicked bad.

I agree.  It would kill me to trade Rondo but I would if we could get Dragic & Gortat back.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=arwcyyo

or even try to get Dudley in the deal as well:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=av5v2tv

We could also throw in a 2013 first rounder, Phx seems to like collecting those.  I think it would bring their total up to about 16 or 17 first round picks next season.

Anyway, I dont see Rondo's injury as a huge hit to his value.  For sure it hurts his value, but I dont think it completely destroys it.  I think a team early in rebuilding would defnitely be up for getting him and willing to give up pieces to do so.  Especially if there is any truth to the Phx wanting J-Smooth rumors.  Rondo would be a nice piece to help entice Smith.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Moranis on February 04, 2013, 11:22:32 AM
If I were a GM for a rebuilding team you can bet I would have already called about Rondo. I'd like to strike a deal with Detroit if I could. Rondo for Drummond, Calderon and a pick. I think it would have to be 2 separate trades but I'd probably trade Rondo for a center prospect like Drummond and a pick. Detroit obviously gets the better of the talent deal but the C's start rebuilding in a big way and don't hurt this years roster any more than it has been already. Here's another idea:

KG/Barbosa to LAC for Bledsoe/Jordon
Rondo to DET for Drummond/Calderon and 1st
Pierce to Chicago for Boozer and the 1st (from CHA)
JET/Melo to Memphis for Wroten/Allen

That outs all of our veteran leadership on long contracts and ins Bledsoe/Jordon/Drummond/Boozer/Wroten plus two 1st (Allen/Calderon are on expirings). I honestly can't tell if this is just me overvaluing our assets or not. Chicago would definitely do it though. Shedding Boozer and waiving Pierce saves them for years to come. LAC would be a tough sell for a rental in KG. Detroit is probably 50/50 and Memphis probably says no. A girl can dream though :)
why on earth would Detroit trade Drummond for Rondo?

Why would Chicago trade for Pierce when they have Deng, and give up a 1st to do it?

Why would Memphis give up Allen for Terry's awful contract (and play)?

I think the Clippers would do that trade, but why would Boston?  Jordan is not worth his contract and isn't the type of player you acquire to rebuild.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Moranis on February 04, 2013, 11:31:49 AM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?


Not many teams. But I'll name one: Phoenix. If they felt he'd be back before 1/1/2014, I could see them trading for him.

They need a franchise player who is a winner wicked bad.

I agree.  It would kill me to trade Rondo but I would if we could get Dragic & Gortat back.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=arwcyyo

or even try to get Dudley in the deal as well:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=av5v2tv

We could also throw in a 2013 first rounder, Phx seems to like collecting those.  I think it would bring their total up to about 16 or 17 first round picks next season.

Anyway, I dont see Rondo's injury as a huge hit to his value.  For sure it hurts his value, but I dont think it completely destroys it.  I think a team early in rebuilding would defnitely be up for getting him and willing to give up pieces to do so.  Especially if there is any truth to the Phx wanting J-Smooth rumors.  Rondo would be a nice piece to help entice Smith.
Phoenix won't give up both Dragic and Gortat for Rondo alone.

They might, however do something like this

PHO - Rondo, Smith
ATL - Gortat, Dragic, Bass, Lee
BOS - Teague, Williams, Dudley, W. Johnson

Boston gets a lot closer to a title this year by adding Teague and Dudley, gets a potential SG of the future in Williams, and shaves some cash by bringing in Johnson.  Boston would have to re-sign Teague this summer, but Williams and Dudley are both signed long term on very reasonable deals. 

Phoenix gets 2 stars who are friends to build around for 2 supposedly unhappy players.

Atlanta gets a center to move Horford to PF, a PG signed long term on a reasonable contract, and more depth to the team.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Bombastic Jones on February 04, 2013, 11:41:12 AM
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PHO - Rondo, Smith
ATL - Gortat, Dragic, Bass, Lee
BOS - Teague, Williams, Dudley, W. Johnson

I think that is a pretty amazing trade for Phx and Atl.  Not a fan of it for us though.  It seems you value JSmith higher than Rondo.  I dont, even with Rondo's injury. 
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Moranis on February 04, 2013, 12:24:38 PM
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PHO - Rondo, Smith
ATL - Gortat, Dragic, Bass, Lee
BOS - Teague, Williams, Dudley, W. Johnson

I think that is a pretty amazing trade for Phx and Atl.  Not a fan of it for us though.  It seems you value JSmith higher than Rondo.  I dont, even with Rondo's injury.
I don't value Smith more than Rondo, I said Phoenix wouldn't give up Dragic and Gortat for Rondo alone.  I don't think they would give up both of them for Smith alone either, but certainly would to get both of them.

I like Teague a lot (more than Dragic, which is why I have him coming here rather than Dragic just going to Atlanta).  I think he is going to be a top tier PG in this league for a very long time and is the perfect player in the Boston system. He is also playing well and healthy. I think Dudley is an excellent shooter and will fill the role that lee and terry were supposed to fill, but aren't. I also like Williams. He can score at will, which isn't a bad thing from your SG. Of course that was pre-injury. Dudley and Williams also have contracts as good or better than what Boston gave Lee and Terry, so for me that is a no brainer as they are much better than those two.

It would certainly be a risky trade, especially without any draft picks, but I think it gives Boston a better chance this year, and makes them better for longer going forward with a lot more actual tradeable assets (assuming Teague is re-signed).  Now admittedly it leaves Boston a bit light inside, but with some roster spots still available, I think they can fill those spots ok especially with some of the assets available.  Maybe you alter the trade a bit and send Terry to Phoenix for Beasley or Frye in it that way you get a bit more size and get rid of some the back-court log jam.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Bombastic Jones on February 04, 2013, 01:06:36 PM
Fair enough.  I like Dragic more than Teague, but understand where you are coming from.  I like Dudley and Williams a lot too.  I even like Johnson as a project.  But I like our present roster more than:

Teague/ Barbosa
Bradley/ Williams / JET
Pierce / Dudley
Green / Wilcox
KG / Collins / Fab

Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: wahz on February 04, 2013, 01:39:53 PM
why would we trade Rondo for something that doesn't help much this year? As in not getting a good big guy who probably stays? We have 2 good wings,(PP, and Uncle Jeff), and guards. 2 of those guards aren't old at all, and Barbosa is still about as fast as anyone in the league.

We really don't NOW need a guard or a wing in return. We DO need at least one good big in return, if the idea is to trade Rondo now. If we wait to the off season to trade him, yeah we want to get a PP, and KG and/or Rondo replacement.

It would be ruthless but if the rules allow it I would trade him while injured for an important big. Its got to be a guy who is healthy now and the players would have to say it was ok. I think we could win it this year still and not kill the future.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: droopdog7 on February 04, 2013, 01:43:29 PM
This would have been the go to move had Rondo not gotten hurt.  I think DA knew it.  Unfortunately, it is now too late for this year and next year, KG and PP are another year older.

DA has been trying to sell high on Rondo for years but now one has bitten.  And of course, the better we do, the more his trade value goes down.
Title: What could we get for Rondo? Name names please.
Post by: droopdog7 on February 04, 2013, 01:50:05 PM
Before Rondo got hurt, I was secretly hoping that DA could trade him to make the team better.  While many around here have an over-inflated view on what we could get for him, I thought at minimum we could get a starting caliber big man (not necessarily a star).  Unfortunately DA was not able to find a match (maybe because other teams did not value Rondo that highly?). 

Before the injury, I'd have thought that Rondo might be able to bring someone like Cousins; a talented head-case that isn't a sure thing.  Now, even after he recovers, I really have no idea. 
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Moranis on February 04, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
Fair enough.  I like Dragic more than Teague, but understand where you are coming from.  I like Dudley and Williams a lot too.  I even like Johnson as a project.  But I like our present roster more than:

Teague/ Barbosa
Bradley/ Williams / JET
Pierce / Dudley
Green / Wilcox
KG / Collins / Fab
I think that team is much closer to a title than what we have now and also has a lot more certainty going forward (of course Williams isn't playing this year and you don't have Johnson).  I'd probably start Dudley with Teague and Pierce and then have Bradley be the first sub (for any of the three). Clearly could use another big, maybe you swap out Terry for Frye (or Beasley) from Phoenix, which gives you some more size for pretty much the same contract.

And I have no idea why anyone would want Dragic over Teague.  Dragic is 2 years older, a worse shooter (from everywhere on the floor), a worse passer, a worse defender (though neither is good), and only a slightly better rebounder (mostly because he is 2 inches taller). The only real advantage you have with Dragic is you know his contract for 4 years, while Teague is expiring.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Bombastic Jones on February 04, 2013, 02:20:24 PM
Fair enough.  I like Dragic more than Teague, but understand where you are coming from.  I like Dudley and Williams a lot too.  I even like Johnson as a project.  But I like our present roster more than:

Teague/ Barbosa
Bradley/ Williams / JET
Pierce / Dudley
Green / Wilcox
KG / Collins / Fab
I think that team is much closer to a title than what we have now and also has a lot more certainty going forward (of course Williams isn't playing this year and you don't have Johnson).  I'd probably start Dudley with Teague and Pierce and then have Bradley be the first sub (for any of the three). Clearly could use another big, maybe you swap out Terry for Frye (or Beasley) from Phoenix, which gives you some more size for pretty much the same contract.

And I have no idea why anyone would want Dragic over Teague.  Dragic is 2 years older, a worse shooter (from everywhere on the floor), a worse passer, a worse defender (though neither is good), and only a slightly better rebounder (mostly because he is 2 inches taller). The only real advantage you have with Dragic is you know his contract for 4 years, while Teague is expiring.

I think Dragic is a better defender and better at running an offense.  I think their stats are comparable with shooting % and asst to turn over.  I see Teague as more of a scorer who gets out in transition better.  I would be happy with either on our team.  I would only give up Rondo for either of them if we got a good big man in return.  I think either plus marginal upgrade on the wing isnt worth trading an all-star point guard for.  But I respect your opinion.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: alajet on February 04, 2013, 02:31:10 PM
If I were a GM for a rebuilding team you can bet I would have already called about Rondo. I'd like to strike a deal with Detroit if I could. Rondo for Drummond, Calderon and a pick. I think it would have to be 2 separate trades but I'd probably trade Rondo for a center prospect like Drummond and a pick. Detroit obviously gets the better of the talent deal but the C's start rebuilding in a big way and don't hurt this years roster any more than it has been already. Here's another idea:

KG/Barbosa to LAC for Bledsoe/Jordon
Rondo to DET for Drummond/Calderon and 1st
Pierce to Chicago for Boozer and the 1st (from CHA)
JET/Melo to Memphis for Wroten/Allen

That outs all of our veteran leadership on long contracts and ins Bledsoe/Jordon/Drummond/Boozer/Wroten plus two 1st (Allen/Calderon are on expirings). I honestly can't tell if this is just me overvaluing our assets or not. Chicago would definitely do it though. Shedding Boozer and waiving Pierce saves them for years to come. LAC would be a tough sell for a rental in KG. Detroit is probably 50/50 and Memphis probably says no. A girl can dream though :)
why on earth would Detroit trade Drummond for Rondo?

Why would Chicago trade for Pierce when they have Deng, and give up a 1st to do it?

Why would Memphis give up Allen for Terry's awful contract (and play)?

I think the Clippers would do that trade, but why would Boston?  Jordan is not worth his contract and isn't the type of player you acquire to rebuild.

Bledsoe/Jordan is a pretty strong young package, I'd say. Anything better won't be coming this way through a trade within the current roster.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: Tr1boy on February 04, 2013, 02:58:01 PM
call me only ok impressed with bledsoe and Jordan.

Bledsoe imo is like a Rondo. At times just keeps shooting or driving. I mean he is good and a better focused defender but Rondo but again you create this "rondo" issue

Jordan while athletic, has a low bbiq. All he can do is dunk and get you some decent blocks and rebounds. But we had Bass and Collins working him yesterday and he was pretty much stablized outside of his 3 or 4 alley hoop dunks.

I much rather trade KG to SA for Splitter and
Leonard
Title: Trade movments; The best option in to trade Rondo
Post by: eugen on February 04, 2013, 03:53:29 PM
Trade movements; the best option in to trade Rondo. Why? Let see some reasons

1. This team is playing much better without him in defence and offence plays
2. He is still young and has a good market value to get other good players in exchange
3. He did not express adequate skills to be the leader in the future
4. KG and PP are the most important players still
5. Trading Rondo, will give Cs to rebuild a good team in the next seasons
Title: Re: Trade movments; The best option in to trade Rondo
Post by: erisred on February 04, 2013, 05:20:17 PM
Trade movements; the best option in to trade Rondo. Why? Let see some reasons

1. This team is playing much better without him in defence and offence plays
2. He is still young and has a good market value to get other good players in exchange
3. He did express adequate skills to be the leader in the future
4. KG and PP are the most important players still
5. Trading Rondo, will give Cs to rebuild a good team in the next seasons
But unless what you get back helps this year and into the future, it would be better to wait to trade Rondo until he is back and proves that he can play.

I think Danny is more likely to trade a player who is playing and playing well, than to trade a player who is either not playing or is playing badly. Buy low, sell high.
Title: Re: Trade movments; The best option in to trade Rondo
Post by: Levis107 on February 04, 2013, 05:42:30 PM
Trade movements; the best option in to trade Rondo. Why? Let see some reasons

1. This team is playing much better without him in defence and offence plays
2. He is still young and has a good market value to get other good players in exchange
3. He did express adequate skills to be the leader in the future
4. KG and PP are the most important players still
5. Trading Rondo, will give Cs to rebuild a good team in the next seasons
But unless what you get back helps this year and into the future, it would be better to wait to trade Rondo until he is back and proves that he can play.

I think Danny is more likely to trade a player who is playing and playing well, than to trade a player who is either not playing or is playing badly. Buy low, sell high.

The best trade if he were to ever become available is Rondo for Cousins. That's a guy who helps now and the future and might be the most talented big man in the game. Can't think of a better situation for him than playing with KG.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: ssspence on February 04, 2013, 07:19:49 PM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?


Not many teams. But I'll name one: Phoenix. If they felt he'd be back before 1/1/2014, I could see them trading for him.

They need a franchise player who is a winner wicked bad.



1)  Do they really have the luxury of taking that gamble

2)  There is no one there I would want back in a trade for Rondo.

I'd be interested in an explanation of #1. They're nowhere near accomlishing anything. They have no identity. They're anxious for the Eric Gordons and Josh Smiths of the world. Hard to say how clubs like PHX can afford the luxury of not looking at trades with upside like adding Rondo.

As for #2, it's not hard to come up with a package that represents value for Rondo. If direct, Gortat, Dragic and Morris for Rondo and Bass is pretty logical, though I'm not sure Dragic is necessary. If you don't want Goran, send him to Utah for Millsap, and net Millsap, Gortat and Morris.

This is a simple discussion: if you're a club like PHX would you rather have Rondo, or Gortat, Dragic, etc? And if your Boston, would you rather have Rondo, or Gortat, Millsap, etc?



Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: kozlodoev on February 04, 2013, 07:25:17 PM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?


Not many teams. But I'll name one: Phoenix. If they felt he'd be back before 1/1/2014, I could see them trading for him.

They need a franchise player who is a winner wicked bad.



1)  Do they really have the luxury of taking that gamble

2)  There is no one there I would want back in a trade for Rondo.

I'd be interested in an explanation of #1. They're nowhere near accomlishing anything. They have no identity. They're anxious for the Eric Gordons and Josh Smiths of the world. Hard to say how clubs like PHX can afford the luxury of not looking at trades with upside like adding Rondo.

As for #2, it's not hard to come up with a package that represents value for Rondo. If direct, Gortat, Dragic and Morris for Rondo and Bass is pretty logical, though I'm not sure Dragic is necessary. If you don't want Goran, send him to Utah for Millsap, and net Millsap, Gortat and Morris.

This is a simple discussion: if you're a club like PHX would you rather have Rondo, or Gortat, Dragic, etc? And if your Boston, would you rather have Rondo, or Gortat, Millsap, etc?
I'd rather have Hayward and Millsap instead of Rondo or anyone from the Suns :)
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: ssspence on February 04, 2013, 07:33:02 PM
Again, what team is going to give value for Rondo?


Not many teams. But I'll name one: Phoenix. If they felt he'd be back before 1/1/2014, I could see them trading for him.

They need a franchise player who is a winner wicked bad.



1)  Do they really have the luxury of taking that gamble

2)  There is no one there I would want back in a trade for Rondo.

I'd be interested in an explanation of #1. They're nowhere near accomlishing anything. They have no identity. They're anxious for the Eric Gordons and Josh Smiths of the world. Hard to say how clubs like PHX can afford the luxury of not looking at trades with upside like adding Rondo.

As for #2, it's not hard to come up with a package that represents value for Rondo. If direct, Gortat, Dragic and Morris for Rondo and Bass is pretty logical, though I'm not sure Dragic is necessary. If you don't want Goran, send him to Utah for Millsap, and net Millsap, Gortat and Morris.

This is a simple discussion: if you're a club like PHX would you rather have Rondo, or Gortat, Dragic, etc? And if your Boston, would you rather have Rondo, or Gortat, Millsap, etc?
I'd rather have Hayward and Millsap instead of Rondo or anyone from the Suns :)

Good point. It would also not be all that odd to see Utah trade for Rondo.
Title: Re: Trade movments; The best option in to trade Rondo
Post by: eugen on February 04, 2013, 07:40:10 PM
Trade movements; the best option in to trade Rondo. Why? Let see some reasons

1. This team is playing much better without him in defence and offence plays
2. He is still young and has a good market value to get other good players in exchange
3. He did express adequate skills to be the leader in the future
4. KG and PP are the most important players still
5. Trading Rondo, will give Cs to rebuild a good team in the next seasons
But unless what you get back helps this year and into the future, it would be better to wait to trade Rondo until he is back and proves that he can play.

I think Danny is more likely to trade a player who is playing and playing well, than to trade a player who is either not playing or is playing badly. Buy low, sell high.

DA has to trade players who did not have a positive contribute for the team. Rondo is the example.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: kozlodoev on February 04, 2013, 07:43:16 PM
Good point. It would also not be all that odd to see Utah trade for Rondo.
Yes.

Utah needs a PG, and wants to get rid of one big man. I'm sure they'd like to keep Hayward, but maybe they'll be tempted.

I wouldn't do this if I were Utah, though I'm quite curious what Utah fans will think :)

edit: Actually someone seems to have floated this on the Jazz RealGM forums over the summer. Mixed reaction.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1186411&sid=f096586c72596f602069b58201acdb49
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: csfansince60s on February 04, 2013, 08:31:18 PM
Good point. It would also not be all that odd to see Utah trade for Rondo.
Yes.

Utah needs a PG, and wants to get rid of one big man. I'm sure they'd like to keep Hayward, but maybe they'll be tempted.

I wouldn't do this if I were Utah, though I'm quite curious what Utah fans will think :)

edit: Actually someone seems to have floated this on the Jazz RealGM forums over the summer. Mixed reaction.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1186411&sid=f096586c72596f602069b58201acdb49

If it was a mixed reaction for a healthy Rondo, don't think the Jazz boards will like this a whole lot.

Good thing fan boards don't make roster decisions though, huh?  ;) (I was thinking of all of us here, too in that regard). Some of mine haven't turned out to be the best, I know that.

Title: Re: Trade movments; The best option in to trade Rondo
Post by: Mazingerz on February 04, 2013, 08:37:34 PM
Trade movements; the best option in to trade Rondo. Why? Let see some reasons

1. This team is playing much better without him in defence and offence plays
2. He is still young and has a good market value to get other good players in exchange
3. He did express adequate skills to be the leader in the future
4. KG and PP are the most important players still
5. Trading Rondo, will give Cs to rebuild a good team in the next seasons
But unless what you get back helps this year and into the future, it would be better to wait to trade Rondo until he is back and proves that he can play.

I think Danny is more likely to trade a player who is playing and playing well, than to trade a player who is either not playing or is playing badly. Buy low, sell high.

DA has to trade players who did not have a positive contribute for the team. Rondo is the example.

Wow, the previous playoffs are not year old and people tend to forget Rondo's meaning to this team.

The problem IMHO with this team is that they have trouble adapting to Doc's system. Previous incarnations of the Cs have performed admirably from 2008-2012. Its just now that they have difficulty grasping the concepts set.
Title: Re: Trade Rondo for championship
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 04, 2013, 08:45:07 PM
Let them play already!