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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: vinnie on January 27, 2013, 06:18:47 PM
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The nonsense is driving me nuts. Just one question: If you take the best or second best player off every other team in the NBA, will that make each of those teams better? I am shaking my head and almost ashamed to be a Celtics fan at this point.
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It's definitely mind-boggling.
There were two reasons we nearly beat Miami last year: KG and Rondo. One is a year older and the other is out for the rest of the year.
It's a tough reality, but this team is not winning a championship, let alone make the ECF.
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Depends on what that player actually brings to the team, and who his replacements are.
For example, when Denver traded Carmelo (and Billups) for marginal players the team improved.
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The nonsense is driving me nuts. Just one question: If you take the best or second best player off every other team in the NBA, will that make each of those teams better? I am shaking my head and almost ashamed to be a Celtics fan at this point.
I agree Vinnie
Lots of nonsense going on right now. I'm just gonna be nice though, and chalk it up to some sort of PTSD.
As good as the Bulls have been without Rose over the last year or so, look what happened to them. 1st round exit at the hands of the 8th seed.
We will not win a championship without Rondo. I dare any of you to bet (real money, not bs) otherwise. Go right ahead, place a wager in Vegas if you are so confident.
I'll be content to just see KG and Paul go out with the team they deserve to reitre with. Remember, we're watching legends here. Even "olds dogs" can occasionally give us moments to cherish. Take today for example.
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It's a tough reality, but this team is not winning a championship, let alone make the ECF.
I agree.
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Depends on what that player actually brings to the team, and who his replacements are.
For example, when Denver traded Carmelo (and Billups) for marginal players the team improved.
And where did that get Denver? -- Nowhere.
Bottom line is they may go on a brief winning streak because they will be driven to show they can win without him. However, water always seeks its own level and the same will happen with this team. Talk about them being better without Rajon Rondo is beyond ludicrous.
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Depends on what that player actually brings to the team, and who his replacements are.
For example, when Denver traded Carmelo (and Billups) for marginal players the team improved.
And where did that get Denver? -- Nowhere.
Bottom line is they may go on a brief winning streak because they will be driven to show they can win without him. However, water always seeks its own level and the same will happen with this team. Talk about them being better without Rajon Rondo is beyond ludicrous.
Sorry, but that wasn't your question. Your question was in the context of being better. That they didn't go anywhere has nothing to do with it. They weren't going anywhere with Carmelo either, but they were better. They still performed well against the Lakers, went to 7 games.
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Maybe LA (one of Pau, Kobe or Dwight) or Utah (Big Al)
Outside of those two teams, I don't think so.
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Depends on what that player actually brings to the team, and who his replacements are.
For example, when Denver traded Carmelo (and Billups) for marginal players the team improved.
And where did that get Denver? -- Nowhere.
Bottom line is they may go on a brief winning streak because they will be driven to show they can win without him. However, water always seeks its own level and the same will happen with this team. Talk about them being better without Rajon Rondo is beyond ludicrous.
Sorry, but that wasn't your question. Your question was in the context of being better. That they didn't go anywhere has nothing to do with it. They weren't going anywhere with Carmelo either, but they were better. They still performed well against the Lakers, went to 7 games.
They were better enough to lose in the playoffs. That's what I figured. They also "traded" carmelo and got a bunch of players back. What are the Celtics getting in return for Rondo being out the rest of the season?
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Depends on what that player actually brings to the team, and who his replacements are.
For example, when Denver traded Carmelo (and Billups) for marginal players the team improved.
And where did that get Denver? -- Nowhere.
Bottom line is they may go on a brief winning streak because they will be driven to show they can win without him. However, water always seeks its own level and the same will happen with this team. Talk about them being better without Rajon Rondo is beyond ludicrous.
Sorry, but that wasn't your question. Your question was in the context of being better. That they didn't go anywhere has nothing to do with it. They weren't going anywhere with Carmelo either, but they were better. They still performed well against the Lakers, went to 7 games.
They were better enough to lose in the playoffs. That's what I figured. They also "traded" carmelo and got a bunch of players back. What are the Celtics getting in return for Rondo being out the rest of the season?
Better defense? Better cohesiveness between our other roster players in our guard rotation?
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Depends on what that player actually brings to the team, and who his replacements are.
For example, when Denver traded Carmelo (and Billups) for marginal players the team improved.
And where did that get Denver? -- Nowhere.
Bottom line is they may go on a brief winning streak because they will be driven to show they can win without him. However, water always seeks its own level and the same will happen with this team. Talk about them being better without Rajon Rondo is beyond ludicrous.
Sorry, but that wasn't your question. Your question was in the context of being better. That they didn't go anywhere has nothing to do with it. They weren't going anywhere with Carmelo either, but they were better. They still performed well against the Lakers, went to 7 games.
They were better enough to lose in the playoffs. That's what I figured. They also "traded" carmelo and got a bunch of players back. What are the Celtics getting in return for Rondo being out the rest of the season?
I don't think Denver got any better by trading Melo and Chauncey.
They haven't had any playoff success since those two guys left. When they were there, Denver made the Western Conference Finals and were a threat to advance in the playoffs each year.
They haven't managed to be that since Melo and Chauncey left.
The new Denver Nuggets can have all their regular season wins and efficiency stats but they aren't getting it done in the playoffs. They don't have the horses.
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how bout we all just keep our mouthes closed until moves are or are not made?
and thennnn...let's go from there
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Depends on what that player actually brings to the team, and who his replacements are.
For example, when Denver traded Carmelo (and Billups) for marginal players the team improved.
And where did that get Denver? -- Nowhere.
Bottom line is they may go on a brief winning streak because they will be driven to show they can win without him. However, water always seeks its own level and the same will happen with this team. Talk about them being better without Rajon Rondo is beyond ludicrous.
Nuggs are a top-6 team in the NBA. Just saying.
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The nonsense is driving me nuts. Just one question: If you take the best or second best player off every other team in the NBA, will that make each of those teams better? I am shaking my head and almost ashamed to be a Celtics fan at this point.
so in summation:
"NO YOU CANNOT BE OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE OF REASONS! WE WERE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO WIN IT ALL BEFORE BEING 20-23, BUT NOW WE CANNOT! NO HAPPY THOUGHTS FOR YOU!"
clearly. point taken.
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how bout we all just keep our mouthes closed until moves are or are not made?
and thennnn...let's go from there
Oh, okay. They should just shut down the blog until Danny and the team decide what to do. ::)
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Depends on what that player actually brings to the team, and who his replacements are.
For example, when Denver traded Carmelo (and Billups) for marginal players the team improved.
And where did that get Denver? -- Nowhere.
Bottom line is they may go on a brief winning streak because they will be driven to show they can win without him. However, water always seeks its own level and the same will happen with this team. Talk about them being better without Rajon Rondo is beyond ludicrous.
Nuggs are a top-6 team in the NBA. Just saying.
How have they done in the playoffs the past two years? And, how many other guys do they have now who had nothing to do with the Melo trade? Just saying.
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The nonsense is driving me nuts. Just one question: If you take the best or second best player off every other team in the NBA, will that make each of those teams better? I am shaking my head and almost ashamed to be a Celtics fan at this point.
so in summation:
"NO YOU CANNOT BE OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE OF REASONS! WE WERE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO WIN IT ALL BEFORE BEING 20-23, BUT NOW WE CANNOT! NO HAPPY THOUGHTS FOR YOU!"
clearly. point taken.
What are you talking about? Take a reading comprehension course. I am saying I think it is moronic that people think this team or any team is going to be better without one of its two best players. Who said anything about optimism? Oh, and thanks for the uppercase post.
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Depends on what that player actually brings to the team, and who his replacements are.
For example, when Denver traded Carmelo (and Billups) for marginal players the team improved.
And where did that get Denver? -- Nowhere.
Bottom line is they may go on a brief winning streak because they will be driven to show they can win without him. However, water always seeks its own level and the same will happen with this team. Talk about them being better without Rajon Rondo is beyond ludicrous.
Nuggs are a top-6 team in the NBA. Just saying.
How have they done in the playoffs the past two years? And, how many other guys do they have now who had nothing to do with the Melo trade? Just saying.
If Melo was still there, they'd still be hopelessly building around a player who never would have made them work; similar to the Josh Smith scenario currently in Atlanta.
The Nuggets are working their way up, and showed they were great last year, pushing the Lakers to a game 7. I thought it was very impressive.
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The nonsense is driving me nuts. Just one question: If you take the best or second best player off every other team in the NBA, will that make each of those teams better? I am shaking my head and almost ashamed to be a Celtics fan at this point.
so in summation:
"NO YOU CANNOT BE OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE OF REASONS! WE WERE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO WIN IT ALL BEFORE BEING 20-23, BUT NOW WE CANNOT! NO HAPPY THOUGHTS FOR YOU!"
clearly. point taken.
What are you talking about? Take a reading comprehension course. I am saying I think it is moronic that people think this team or any team is going to be better without one of its two best players. Who said anything about optimism? Oh, and thanks for the uppercase post.
you're overwhelmingly negative today. in addition, you're attacking other posters and calling them out for being such (which I totally thought was against the rules here).
we have a big 3, bro. so we have 2 'best' players. we need the rest of the players to step up.
no prob with the uppercase. any time you need me.
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The nonsense is driving me nuts. Just one question: If you take the best or second best player off every other team in the NBA, will that make each of those teams better? I am shaking my head and almost ashamed to be a Celtics fan at this point.
so in summation:
"NO YOU CANNOT BE OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE OF REASONS! WE WERE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO WIN IT ALL BEFORE BEING 20-23, BUT NOW WE CANNOT! NO HAPPY THOUGHTS FOR YOU!"
clearly. point taken.
What are you talking about? Take a reading comprehension course. I am saying I think it is moronic that people think this team or any team is going to be better without one of its two best players. Who said anything about optimism? Oh, and thanks for the uppercase post.
you're overwhelmingly negative today. in addition, you're attacking other posters and calling them out for being such (which I totally thought was against the rules here).
we have a big 3, bro. so we have 2 'best' players. we need the rest of the players to step up.
no prob with the uppercase. any time you need me.
They lost their best or second best player. They right now are the big 1 1/2. They have no dominating superstars. Tell me the last team that won the championship without at least one guy who could dominate for an entire game almost every game? The Celtics no longer have that
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The nonsense is driving me nuts. Just one question: If you take the best or second best player off every other team in the NBA, will that make each of those teams better? I am shaking my head and almost ashamed to be a Celtics fan at this point.
so in summation:
"NO YOU CANNOT BE OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE OF REASONS! WE WERE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO WIN IT ALL BEFORE BEING 20-23, BUT NOW WE CANNOT! NO HAPPY THOUGHTS FOR YOU!"
clearly. point taken.
What are you talking about? Take a reading comprehension course. I am saying I think it is moronic that people think this team or any team is going to be better without one of its two best players. Who said anything about optimism? Oh, and thanks for the uppercase post.
you're overwhelmingly negative today. in addition, you're attacking other posters and calling them out for being such (which I totally thought was against the rules here).
we have a big 3, bro. so we have 2 'best' players. we need the rest of the players to step up.
no prob with the uppercase. any time you need me.
They lost their best or second best player. They right now are the big 1 1/2. They have no dominating superstars. Tell me the last team that won the championship without at least one guy who could dominate for an entire game almost every game? The Celtics no longer have that
(see Pierce, Paul)
(see Garnett, Kevin)
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I agree with the original post. Even though some of our role players (Lee, Barbosa, Green) may get a bump from some more freedom with the ball, none of those guys are in Rondo's league as far as talent and ability to impact a game, especially in the playoffs. None of them are going to go off for 44 points, 10 assists and 8 rebounds. None of them are going to dislocate their elbow and come back to lead us to a win.
So yeah a few guys may loosen up a bit and play their games better, we still lose one of the top 2-3 point guards in the league to injury. I mean we still have to play the 2nd half of the season and anything can happen (see last year). I still think our team can do damage believe it or not. But having rondo is better than not having rondo.
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The nonsense is driving me nuts. Just one question: If you take the best or second best player off every other team in the NBA, will that make each of those teams better? I am shaking my head and almost ashamed to be a Celtics fan at this point.
so in summation:
"NO YOU CANNOT BE OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE OF REASONS! WE WERE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO WIN IT ALL BEFORE BEING 20-23, BUT NOW WE CANNOT! NO HAPPY THOUGHTS FOR YOU!"
clearly. point taken.
What are you talking about? Take a reading comprehension course. I am saying I think it is moronic that people think this team or any team is going to be better without one of its two best players. Who said anything about optimism? Oh, and thanks for the uppercase post.
you're overwhelmingly negative today. in addition, you're attacking other posters and calling them out for being such (which I totally thought was against the rules here).
we have a big 3, bro. so we have 2 'best' players. we need the rest of the players to step up.
no prob with the uppercase. any time you need me.
They lost their best or second best player. They right now are the big 1 1/2. They have no dominating superstars. Tell me the last team that won the championship without at least one guy who could dominate for an entire game almost every game? The Celtics no longer have that
lol...how do you say 'Tell me the last team that won the championship without at least one guy...' but already said we have 1 1/2. Right.
You're assuming PP and KG are absolutely done. We will have to wait and see there.
You're also forgetting that basketball is a team sport. If everyone continues to underperform sure. I totally get your point. But I think this changes roles, changes utilization, and gives them a REASON to have some heart now.
But I'm a woman. And I tend to use my heart and gut. I don't think we're done. I don't see the problem with letting someone having that.
You've gone to almost every thread and post today trying to make points, that are barely based on stats, imposing your point of view. I'm somewhat doing the same. So, now what?
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But having rondo is better than not having rondo.
That much is obvious, especially in the playoffs.
But even without Rondo, we have one of the best lineups in the East.
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People keep talking about best player this and best player that, when the crucial aspect is who's more valuable to our team, and as far as I'm concerned, Rondo is 3rd in that list and careful that I don't push him to 4th behind Bradley as I think his defense might be more crucial for us. But that may be pushing it a bit.
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Hey guys, stop being optimistic about an entertainment product you have no control over. If you don't, then...something...will happen. Maybe I will call you laughable or a joke. And that's gonna sting like hell.
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I am beyond bummed out that Rondo is done for this season and a chunk of next season. This team will fight and find a way to make it to the playoffs.
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The nonsense is driving me nuts. Just one question: If you take the best or second best player off every other team in the NBA, will that make each of those teams better? I am shaking my head and almost ashamed to be a Celtics fan at this point.
so in summation:
"NO YOU CANNOT BE OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE OF REASONS! WE WERE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO WIN IT ALL BEFORE BEING 20-23, BUT NOW WE CANNOT! NO HAPPY THOUGHTS FOR YOU!"
clearly. point taken.
What are you talking about? Take a reading comprehension course. I am saying I think it is moronic that people think this team or any team is going to be better without one of its two best players. Who said anything about optimism? Oh, and thanks for the uppercase post.
you're overwhelmingly negative today. in addition, you're attacking other posters and calling them out for being such (which I totally thought was against the rules here).
we have a big 3, bro. so we have 2 'best' players. we need the rest of the players to step up.
no prob with the uppercase. any time you need me.
They lost their best or second best player. They right now are the big 1 1/2. They have no dominating superstars. Tell me the last team that won the championship without at least one guy who could dominate for an entire game almost every game? The Celtics no longer have that
lol...how do you say 'Tell me the last team that won the championship without at least one guy...' but already said we have 1 1/2. Right.
You're assuming PP and KG are absolutely done. We will have to wait and see there.
You're also forgetting that basketball is a team sport. If everyone continues to underperform sure. I totally get your point. But I think this changes roles, changes utilization, and gives them a REASON to have some heart now.
But I'm a woman. And I tend to use my heart and gut. I don't think we're done. I don't see the problem with letting someone having that.
You've gone to almost every thread and post today trying to make points, that are barely based on stats, imposing your point of view. I'm somewhat doing the same. So, now what?
TP I'll never count these guys out
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our defense will probably improve a bit, and maybe our shooting a little...also, this might force some of our role players into more appropriate roles (especially jet). however, i will say this: playoff rondo is a monster. he's a bit unfocused during the regular season (and, honestly, i'm pretty sure he is usually playing with serious injuries, as KG alluded to in his interview today), but come playoff time, rondo is a beast. losing him is going to hurt, big-time if we make the playoffs. not to say that these guys can't do some damage (they can, if they get their game going), but come april/may/june, there are only a few players i'd want more than rondo on my team.
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our defense will probably improve a bit, and maybe our shooting a little...also, this might force some of our role players into more appropriate roles (especially jet). however, i will say this: playoff rondo is a monster. he's a bit unfocused during the regular season (and, honestly, i'm pretty sure he is usually playing with serious injuries, as KG alluded to in his interview today), but come playoff time, rondo is a beast. losing him is going to hurt, big-time if we make the playoffs. not to say that these guys can't do some damage (they can, if they get their game going), but come april/may/june, there are only a few players i'd want more than rondo on my team.
Yeah this team is good enough to make the playoffs without rondo but without him there's no way we beat the heat 4 times. Even with him we most likely wouldn't. This season is over unless danny does some unbelievable trade to give us a real shot.
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I live in aus and it was a 5am game this morning. I had a dream that i somehow heard that rondo went for 40-15-15 and it ruined it for me becuase i didnt get to watch it.
Nek minnit i wake up and find out he has a torn ACL FML
Saddest part for me is im not gonna be able to see my fav player tearing it up till next season. Rondo in playoffs is something spec
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Depends on what that player actually brings to the team, and who his replacements are.
For example, when Denver traded Carmelo (and Billups) for marginal players the team improved.
And where did that get Denver? -- Nowhere.
Bottom line is they may go on a brief winning streak because they will be driven to show they can win without him. However, water always seeks its own level and the same will happen with this team. Talk about them being better without Rajon Rondo is beyond ludicrous.
Spoiler: Only 1 team can win. I know you are probably shocked.