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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: eugen on January 27, 2013, 09:57:29 AM
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In this critical situation, we see everyday people talking about Doc and players, blaming them for the critical situation. But how about work done by DA??? As a matter of fact:
1- he did not find replace for Perk and Ray
2- from 2008 this team did not get any big player on order to hope for the future of the team(see LAL, Miami,OKC,Dallas)
3- he did not have clear ideas about how he will construct the future, when KG and PP will retire
4- at some point, he did mistakes after mistakes on treating players, for example Ray. Remember that Doc did not like to send out Ray (maybe and Perk)
5- most critical issue: he did not show till now, how will resolve the problems
In my opinion DA have to go...Incompetent!
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I think Ainge did a good job in the summer acquiring talent but things haven't worked out. I think he'll be judged now on whether or not he can make some mid-season moves to better balance the roster.
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1. I think Lee and Terry for were for Ray, they have not panned out. Losing Perk was minimal folks, KG is a better center in every way. I think the inability of Green to perform consistently is more a problem than losing a one legged center.
2. He chose to give the old core one more chance. It failed.
3. This hasn't happened yet so it's not valid. I suspect it will be build around Rondo.
4. This is a business. We have attracted better free agents under Danny than Chris Wallace.
5. A trade has to be made or we tank for the lottery. Those are our options, I don't think staying the course will fix things this year.
DA is not incompetant, he made us relevant again and gave us another title. He just rode out the old guys too long. Had he broke up the team when they had value, people would be crying for his head too. He can't win either way. I think he has got some good players for where he has picked.
I much rather have him than you running the team than you.
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This off season I would say the VAST majority of C's fans, including myself were lauding heaps of praise on DA for filling out our roster! Nobody expected what has happened so far this season!
GM's usually get all the blame when things go bad, and too little praise when the go well. DA made the C's relevant again, brought us a championship, and hopes for another this year despite great obsticles of the CBA.
Hopefully he can make some moves here quickly that will turn this season around. I blame Doc more for his inability to make these current players jell. Him virtually running Darko out of town sure didn't help either! We sure could have used him!
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Ummm.. We were never going to get LeBron, so I don't know why you're comparing him to the Heat.
He tried to replace Ray with Courtney Lee (who has not been part of the problem lately). Of course, he wanted to resign Ray to begin with.
He had a deal negotiated with David West, which would have really helped the frontcourt, but couldn't get the Hornets to work out a sign-and-trade.
Bradley is definitely helping the future of this team. He was drafted in 2010, and was clearly a great selection, even if much ofnthe fan-base thought it was terrible. Last year's draftees look like they could be part of a successful future as well.
Danny's biggest mistake was thinking that last year's team, which went to the conference finals and could or should have gone to the NBA finals, despite being injury-riddled and having no bench, could come back and do the same with essentially the same starting lineup and a new bench. And for whatever reason (Father Time, last year was a fluke) that simply hasn't worked. His original plan was to blow it up when KG's contract ended, sign a big free agent and reloa around Rondo, the new signings, and some other young players. At this point, it looks like he would have been wise to trade Ray and Paul last year, let KG retire, and sign (or trade for) someone this offseason. But his sight is 20-20, and we did get to the conference finals last year, so who knows which decision was right?
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Shouldnt have never made that bad trade with OKC
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Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. about DA all you want but he's done more with less and more than enough than any GM or human out there... sorry not going there - DA has more than done his job.
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In this critical situation, we see everyday people talking about Doc and players, blaming them for the critical situation. But how about work done by DA??? As a matter of fact:
1- he did not find replace for Perk and Ray
2- from 2008 this team did not get any big player on order to hope for the future of the team(see LAL, Miami,OKC,Dallas)
3- he did not have clear ideas about how he will construct the future, when KG and PP will retire
4- at some point, he did mistakes after mistakes on treating players, for example Ray. Remember that Doc did not like to send out Ray (maybe and Perk)
5- most critical issue: he did not show till now, how will resolve the problems
In my opinion DA have to go...Incompetent!
1. As described, Green was a replacement for Perk. Perk had his contract finishing and made it clear he would not re-sign for us with the amount we were able to offer, he wanted more. If DA made no trade, we would have lost Perk for nothing. Nobody here can say "why didn't he trade for somebody else" because nobody else here knows what else was on the market at the time. With JO and Shaq missing much of the season to injury (Perk only just returned about 5 games prior, so there was no indication on how durable he would be). We needed a healty big, and he got Krstic back in the deal with Green - it was a no brainer trade and anybody with half a brain would have done the same in his position.
Green struggled after the trade being thrown into a new environment with no time to adjust, then the following season he was lost due to a heart problem - hardly something anybody could have predicted for a very fit and athletic 26 year old player. This year he struggled at the start. He's still not what we hoped for exactly, but he's definately making improvements - especially in the areas of defense and effort.
Green won't become an All-Star, but then neither will Perk. Right now I seriously think we needs Green's scoring potential and defense at the wing position more than we need Perk's interior defense. We are 8th in the league in defense and about 28th in scoring - do the math.
Ray left without giving us a choice. Danny offered him a perfectly resonable offer - more than he was worth IMHO. He ovvered him double what any other team offered him AND a no-trade clause, and he refused it. That was Ray's choice to make, and Danny had no control over it. When he refused the deal Danny did very well to acquire Jason Terry, Courtney Lee AND Leandro Barbosa without giving up Rondo or Bradley. Nobody on earth could have predicted Terry would struggle the way he has offensively. DA handled both scenarios very well.
2. The team didn't get anyone after 2008 because they never had cap space. It's like criticising a poor family because they bought a Hyundai instead of a Porsche - you need money to buy assets, and Celtics had no cap space up until this season. Every year DA did a pretty solid job of bringing in servicable players that cost us next to nothing.
3. How on earth can Danny know when his players will retire? KG didn't even know HIMSELF whether he would retire until the last minute, so how could DA know the answer to that? KG got paid $9M per year when he re-signed. That was a big chunk of Boston's cap space, so whether or not he re-signed was critical to which direction DA would take. He also never anticipated Ray would leave - he had a plan already to bring in Terry for an instant bench scorer (which we desperately needed - TP for DA) but he was meant to compliment (not replace) Allen. When Allen left it put the team into shambles because DA had to resort to an emergency replacement plan, and that was Courtney Lee. Everybody said that Boston had no hope of getting Lee because of their financial situation, so DA did VERY well to pick him up, and even better to add Barbosa in there as well.
4. The whole treatment of Ray is overblown. The NBA is a business - how many players out there have left their teams in the cold by choosing not to re-sign with them? Does Lebron leaving the Cavs ring a bell? DA's job is to run a business, and he has to treat it as one by making the moves that seem they will give the team it's best shot to improve and win a title. If we had a chance to give up Ray and improve our team, then Danny had to take that chance - if he didn't he wouldn't be doing his job. Ray got upset by this obviously, but that's not DA's problem - he is not a shrink, he's a business man. Pierce and KG both came up in trade rumours but they stuck around - it is what it is.
5. Again DA is responsble for managing his personnel, and it's his responsiblity to do what he can to improve the team. Right now I can assure you he is in talks with several other teams, and has several ideas on trades he cn do to improve things. He's not going to talk bout these ideas because it's bad for business - it's not a public affair. If he could get a superstar for a dud role player I guarantee you he'd do it, but trades involve two teams...and both teams trade with the intention of receiving some benefit (either future talent, current talent or financial flexibility) so working a magical deal that actually makes us better may not be possible if opposing teams aren't buying what we're selling.
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DA's decisions are based on the paper, and what his scouts report to him, and often times takes doc's recommendations very seriously. He did everything in his power to make the numbers work.
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I think Ainge did a good job in the summer acquiring talent but things haven't worked out. I think he'll be judged now on whether or not he can make some mid-season moves to better balance the roster.
Agreed, Danny Ainge will be judged on what happens around the trade deadline, the draft, and the free agency period. How good a job he does turning this cow-pie into chocolate mousse.
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I think Ainge did a good job in the summer acquiring talent
I can agree with this. I think he went wrong when he thought the core talent was elite enough to contend again.
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3- he did not have clear ideas about how he will construct the future, when KG and PP will retire
I think he has clear ideas about how he will construct the future.
I hope he doesn't make a mid-season panic trade. I suspect it might be best to wait until the off-season before making a major roster move.
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Shouldnt have never made that bad trade with OKC
Made good sense at the time, and still makes sense in retrospect.
The Celtics would not be in any better shape with post-knee-injury Perkins in place of Jeff Green.
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In this critical situation, we see everyday people talking about Doc and players, blaming them for the critical situation. But how about work done by DA??? As a matter of fact:
1- he did not find replace for Perk and Ray
2- from 2008 this team did not get any big player on order to hope for the future of the team(see LAL, Miami,OKC,Dallas)
3- he did not have clear ideas about how he will construct the future, when KG and PP will retire
4- at some point, he did mistakes after mistakes on treating players, for example Ray. Remember that Doc did not like to send out Ray (maybe and Perk)
5- most critical issue: he did not show till now, how will resolve the problems
In my opinion DA have to go...Incompetent!
1) Ray- Courtney Lee.
Perk- Kristic, Shaq, and JO. Tell me, what money/players did we have to give up/use to do better? Oh I guess you think he's playing with monopoly money.
2) Future- Jeff Green, AB, Sully, Melo, RR, Bass, and Lee! LOL again, MONEY! You think you can just pluck stars out of thin air? Who did we have that we could trade for a "star"?
Now let's break down the teams you mentioned;
-Mia, that organization did LITTLE to get those players! IT was mostly the Little 3 who did the work, they were 3 MAX level players who chose to take very little money so they could all be signed, they chose to go there b/c Wade was already there (drafted from a good lotto pick b/c they SUCKED) and it's located IN MIAMI! All the organization did was tank and give players away for scraps!
-Lakers, they already had a 100y.o. Kobe so of course add that to the location and the willingness to spend w/e and you can get a player like Dwight who forced his way out of Orlando to go there. So, Dwight is the ONLY piece they have for the future and it's not like they did something amazing to get him, he pulled a Melo for them... they gave up Bynum who they had b/c they SUCKED their way into picking him. In fact, I would say that if LA didn't have endless money and a great location where players love to live, they would be in worse shape than us!
-OKC, well they sucked into and traded (an "old" but still good player in Ray), which they turned into some really good picks! Their organization actually deserves most of the credit b/c they chose right and it is rare to pick as well as they did so many times in succession but they did (Well KD was a lock so w/e and he was the Celtics... hurts but w/e, KG wasn't coming w/o Ray and we have the chip, so as good as KD is, you take the chip b/c he isn't guaranteed one)!
-Dallas, what do they have exactly? Dirk (who is old and has bad wheels... still good of course) and a bunch of cap space. They actually have NOTHING for the future... if they don't coax a good player (Howard's gonna take LA's money and CP3 aint leaving either). So right now, Dallas is in worse shape than us for the future b/c all they have right now is hopes and dreams (we have actual young and good/great players all while keeping our foot on "win now mode")!
3) See the people I named in #2
4) LOL the Ray situation had little to do with Danny... Doc chose to bench Ray for AB and RR and him didn't see eye to eye, how is that on Danny? We didn't have the money to pay what Ray wanted (which was absurd anyway, he chose to give them a price he knew they couldn't accept)! Perk was a decision that Doc agreed with and so did the players... they didn't want to pay what Perk wanted and I am still glad they didn't! For some reason you think we'd be better off with Perk but in reality, who really knows, we sure would still be in the same predicament money-wise, just replace Green's money with Perk's and nothing changes with not having the funds for Ray!
5) Really? Really? He did everything he could to put a winning product out there given his limitations. It's not easy to win a championship... he did really well this off-season. In fact a lot of people (analyst, were saying we might have the deepest and best set of bench players in the league, right with Clips and Nets)!
Danny may not be the best and he definitely isn't perfect (ad hindsight is 20/20), but he has done excellent considering everything! Not only did he try to give us a "win now" team he also put together a solid group of players to build around for the future!
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Ummm.. We were never going to get LeBron, so I don't know why you're comparing him to the Heat.
I am not asking to sign Lebron or Bosh. But, see the players that DA offered to the team in last 3 years. Too old and almost broken players(Rasheed, JoNeal, Shaq, Terry, Collins&co)Seems to have no strategies to move on for the future,considering that big 3 is very close to the retirment.
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2. The team didn't get anyone after 2008 because they never had cap space.
He can not offer to PP 35 years old contract of 15 mill/year :o :o :o
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DA did a great job. Doc and the players definitely rank higher on my blame list. Doc has the players to at the very least make it through the regular season with a decent record. His team is underachieving and he deserves alot of the blame.
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Ainge is not perfect, but he's done a great job with this team, particularly this off-season. No reason to put any blame on him. Even with some of his acquisitions not living up to what we hoped, there's ZERO reason for this team to be struggling as it is.
Sorry but this first and foremost a coaching problem this year, and secondly our starting unit not performing, which comes back to the coaching problems since he's not balancing our players who are actually playing well with more opportunities.
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less his fault then doc and the players sorry
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Ainge is not perfect, but he's done a great job with this team, particularly this off-season. No reason to put any blame on him. Even with some of his acquisitions not living up to what we hoped, there's ZERO reason for this team to be struggling as it is.
I disagree strongly.
While Iīm happy overall with Ainge as our GM, this off-season in particular was probably the worst heīs ever had.
Thereīs not a single signing that made sense, and $9 million for Jeff Green is just the icing on the cake.
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Ummm.. We were never going to get LeBron, so I don't know why you're comparing him to the Heat.
I am not asking to sign Lebron or Bosh. But, see the players that DA offered to the team in last 3 years. Too old and almost broken players(Rasheed, JoNeal, Shaq, Terry, Collins&co)Seems to have no strategies to move on for the future,considering that big 3 is very close to the retirment.
I don't think that there's a lot of logic to grabbing players that aren't necessarily going to help you now but will in the future when you are competing for a title and need players to play right now.
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2. The team didn't get anyone after 2008 because they never had cap space.
He can not offer to PP 35 years old contract of 15 mill/year :o :o :o
Aside from the fact that PP wasn't 35 when Danny offered him the contract, you have to look at it like a 1 year extension, not a 3 year deal. Paul opted out of a 2 year deal to sign that 3 year deal.
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Ainge is not perfect, but he's done a great job with this team, particularly this off-season. No reason to put any blame on him. Even with some of his acquisitions not living up to what we hoped, there's ZERO reason for this team to be struggling as it is.
I disagree strongly.
While Iīm happy overall with Ainge as our GM, this off-season in particular was probably the worst heīs ever had.
Thereīs not a single signing that made sense, and $9 million for Jeff Green is just the icing on the cake.
Really? Are you really gonna sit there and say that?
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Ainge is not perfect, but he's done a great job with this team, particularly this off-season. No reason to put any blame on him. Even with some of his acquisitions not living up to what we hoped, there's ZERO reason for this team to be struggling as it is.
I disagree strongly.
While Iīm happy overall with Ainge as our GM, this off-season in particular was probably the worst heīs ever had.
Thereīs not a single signing that made sense, and $9 million for Jeff Green is just the icing on the cake.
Really? Are you really gonna sit there and say that?
Yes, I am convinced. I am on record saying that weīre not competing anymore last year.
He evaluated the capabilities of this team wrongly, and consquently his moves set this franchise back in their rebuilding process. Thereīs a lot of unnecessary dead weight on this roster.
People who say we should wait until the off-season to blow it up only have a point because Danny didnīt blow it up last off-season. Itīs his job to make the hard decisions and he utterly failed.
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Ainge is not perfect, but he's done a great job with this team, particularly this off-season. No reason to put any blame on him. Even with some of his acquisitions not living up to what we hoped, there's ZERO reason for this team to be struggling as it is.
I disagree strongly.
While Iīm happy overall with Ainge as our GM, this off-season in particular was probably the worst heīs ever had.
Thereīs not a single signing that made sense, and $9 million for Jeff Green is just the icing on the cake.
Really? Are you really gonna sit there and say that?
Yes, I am convinced. I am on record saying that weīre not competing anymore last year.
He evaluated the capabilities of this team wrongly, and consquently his moves set this franchise back in their rebuilding process. Thereīs a lot of unnecessary dead weight on this roster.
People who say we should wait until the off-season to blow it up only have a point because Danny didnīt blow it up last off-season. Itīs his job to make the hard decisions and he utterly failed.
So, resigning KG made no sense? Getting jason terry and lee after allen left made no sense? Resigning bass after he has a great year for us last year made no sense?
Seriously, your comment makes no sense. Now if you want to say these guys are under preforming ok fine that's fair, but don't tell me none of these signings made any sense because that's nonsense.
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In this critical situation, we see everyday people talking about Doc and players, blaming them for the critical situation. But how about work done by DA??? As a matter of fact:
1- he did not find replace for Perk and Ray
2- from 2008 this team did not get any big player on order to hope for the future of the team(see LAL, Miami,OKC,Dallas)
3- he did not have clear ideas about how he will construct the future, when KG and PP will retire
4- at some point, he did mistakes after mistakes on treating players, for example Ray. Remember that Doc did not like to send out Ray (maybe and Perk)
5- most critical issue: he did not show till now, how will resolve the problems
In my opinion DA have to go...Incompetent!
1-Perk is only as good as the system. At the time they had the O'Neals. They thought Shaq would be healthy for the play offs, just didn't pan out. Terry and Lee were suppose to be Rays replacements. They just haven't lived up to what they got signed to do.
2-When a bulk of your cap space is taken up by 3 players is hard to make room for a young star that wants money. Hard to trade age for that star as well. Remember even though Mayo isn't a star, he did almost have a trade for him. Looking back I bet KG wished he didn't voice wanting Ray to stay...
3-Well if you recall the Rondo for Chris Paul trade, which was a reason for trading Perk, he clearly had a vision built around Chris Paul. He had vision, it just didn't go how he wanted.
4-Ray was the only guy with easy trade value. Its Rays fault in the second contract he didn't get a no trade clause. His job isn't to make friends, its to win.
5-He's been making moves as best he can. This isn't NAB2K, he can't force trades to make the team better. I think over all the Chris Paul none trade hurt more than anything. But thats the problem with players today, they rather play in a city then with hall of famers and a great crowd base.
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Ainge is not perfect, but he's done a great job with this team, particularly this off-season. No reason to put any blame on him. Even with some of his acquisitions not living up to what we hoped, there's ZERO reason for this team to be struggling as it is.
I disagree strongly.
While Iīm happy overall with Ainge as our GM, this off-season in particular was probably the worst heīs ever had.
Thereīs not a single signing that made sense, and $9 million for Jeff Green is just the icing on the cake.
Really? Are you really gonna sit there and say that?
Yes, I am convinced. I am on record saying that weīre not competing anymore last year.
Just curious, were you on record saying we weren't going to compete anymore before or after we made it to the ECF? Because people have been on going on record saying we weren't competing anymore since 2009, and there was quite a batch of such proclamations when the team was struggling earlier in the season.
Did you still think we were competing when we were 15-17 but decide we weren't after game 7 of the ECF?
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Ainge is not perfect, but he's done a great job with this team, particularly this off-season. No reason to put any blame on him. Even with some of his acquisitions not living up to what we hoped, there's ZERO reason for this team to be struggling as it is.
I disagree strongly.
While Iīm happy overall with Ainge as our GM, this off-season in particular was probably the worst heīs ever had.
Thereīs not a single signing that made sense, and $9 million for Jeff Green is just the icing on the cake.
Really? Are you really gonna sit there and say that?
Yes, I am convinced. I am on record saying that weīre not competing anymore last year.
He evaluated the capabilities of this team wrongly, and consquently his moves set this franchise back in their rebuilding process. Thereīs a lot of unnecessary dead weight on this roster.
People who say we should wait until the off-season to blow it up only have a point because Danny didnīt blow it up last off-season. Itīs his job to make the hard decisions and he utterly failed.
So, resigning KG made no sense? Getting jason terry and lee after allen left made no sense? Resigning bass after he has a great year for us last year made no sense?
Seriously, your comment makes no sense. Now if you want to say these guys are under preforming ok fine that's fair, but don't tell me none of these signings made any sense because that's nonsense.
- Resigning KG made some sense if you want him to lead a bunch of young players and to teach them the ropes, Iīll give you that
- Terry, Lee and Bass donīt help us win championships, they donīt help us to rebuild, and weīre not getting anything for these guys that could help us achieve either. Theyīre just a poor replacement for the guy he wanted to sign but couldnīt in Ray Allen, anyway.
- and, of course, the aforementioned multi-year deal for Jeff Green.
His moves this off-season have set this franchise back for years.
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Just curious, were you on record saying we weren't going to compete anymore before or after we made it to the ECF? Because people have been on going on record saying we weren't competing anymore since 2009, and there was quite a batch of such proclamations when the team was struggling earlier in the season.
Did you still think we were competing when we were 15-17 but decide we weren't after game 7 of the ECF?
Before, and I was right, or could you point me to the Youtube video of us winning #18, because I mustīve missed that?
As far as Iīm concerned, this team achieved exactly what I predicted, and lost to the Heat. Some of us donīt change their opinion about this team like others do their underwear, you know?
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Just curious, were you on record saying we weren't going to compete anymore before or after we made it to the ECF? Because people have been on going on record saying we weren't competing anymore since 2009, and there was quite a batch of such proclamations when the team was struggling earlier in the season.
Did you still think we were competing when we were 15-17 but decide we weren't after game 7 of the ECF?
Before, and I was right, or could you point me to the Youtube video of us winning #18, because I mustīve missed that?
My mistake, most people don't assume that the team that wins the title is the only team that was competing for the title.
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Just curious, were you on record saying we weren't going to compete anymore before or after we made it to the ECF? Because people have been on going on record saying we weren't competing anymore since 2009, and there was quite a batch of such proclamations when the team was struggling earlier in the season.
Did you still think we were competing when we were 15-17 but decide we weren't after game 7 of the ECF?
Before, and I was right, or could you point me to the Youtube video of us winning #18, because I mustīve missed that?
My mistake, most people don't assume that the team that wins the title is the only team that was competing for the title.
Me neither, but we werenīt even in the ballpark. Itīs a simple matter of probability.
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Just curious, were you on record saying we weren't going to compete anymore before or after we made it to the ECF? Because people have been on going on record saying we weren't competing anymore since 2009, and there was quite a batch of such proclamations when the team was struggling earlier in the season.
Did you still think we were competing when we were 15-17 but decide we weren't after game 7 of the ECF?
Before, and I was right, or could you point me to the Youtube video of us winning #18, because I mustīve missed that?
My mistake, most people don't assume that the team that wins the title is the only team that was competing for the title.
Me neither, but we werenīt even in the ballpark. Itīs a simple matter of probability.
Like it or not getting to game 7 of the conference finals against the team that won the title is competing. But if we're going to call that not competing, I'll take "not competing" over rebuilding any day.
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Like it or not getting to game 7 of the conference finals against the team that won the title is competing. But if we're going to call that not competing, I'll take "not competing" over rebuilding any day.
Itīs not, and I donīt. Youīre lost in semantics.
Were the Hawks competing because they lost to the team which lost to the team which won the title?
People have this strange idea that somehow we get to choose when to rebuild, when at best we can choose the terms on which we rebuild.
If weīre not contending anymore, weīre rebuilding. If you disagree, then maybe this whole professional sports thingy isnīt for you.
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Like it or not getting to game 7 of the conference finals against the team that won the title is competing. But if we're going to call that not competing, I'll take "not competing" over rebuilding any day.
Itīs not, and I donīt. Youīre lost in semantics.
Were the Hawks competing because they lost to the team which lost to the team which won the title?
People have this strange idea that somehow we get to choose when to rebuild, when at best we can choose the terms on which we rebuild.
If weīre not contending anymore, weīre rebuilding. If you disagree, then maybe this whole professional sports thingy isnīt for you.
Were the Hawks in the ECF? Oh okay...
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In this critical situation, we see everyday people talking about Doc and players, blaming them for the critical situation. But how about work done by DA??? As a matter of fact:
1- he did not find replace for Perk and Ray
2- from 2008 this team did not get any big player on order to hope for the future of the team(see LAL, Miami,OKC,Dallas)
3- he did not have clear ideas about how he will construct the future, when KG and PP will retire
4- at some point, he did mistakes after mistakes on treating players, for example Ray. Remember that Doc did not like to send out Ray (maybe and Perk)
5- most critical issue: he did not show till now, how will resolve the problems
In my opinion DA have to go...Incompetent!
Sure... Let's get rid of the guy that completely turned the franchise around for the better and got us our first title in 20+ years.
Awesome idea.
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Were the Hawks in the ECF? Oh okay...
No need to be insecure, youīre only proving my point.
(Un)fortunately, you canīt change the definition of "championship team" as easily as you can change the definition of "contender".
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I let Doc have it as I saw it. But you are right Danny needs his share as he is the one which assembled these players and we dont have the pieces to competet for a ring as of right now or before Rondo got hurt.
This in no way excuses Doc for his faults.
I would still way rather Danny coached this team!