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Title: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: rondohondo on January 26, 2013, 05:12:40 PM
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A quiet but steady source of consistency for the Celtics last season, Bass played in 59 of 66 games and averaged 12.5 points and 6.2 rebounds over 31.7 minutes, which paved the way for a new three-year, $19.3 million contract last summer. But through 43 games this season, Bass hasn't had nearly the same impact he did last year. His numbers have dipped to just 7.4 points, 4.9 rebounds and, perhaps most importantly, 26 minutes per game.

"I mean, at the end of the day, you want to do better than you did last year or the same," Bass said after Thursday's loss. "So, it's a little bit frustrating. But, it's a team game. You've just got to keep working and hope everything works itself out."

When asked about his production, Bass suggested fewer minutes have played the biggest role.

"I mean, if you consider my numbers down, you've got to look all around," Bass said. "So if you see my numbers down then you see my minutes. If my minutes are down, OK, that plays a role. Then you look at how many opportunities I get -- that plays a role. And you get what you get."

Asked if he's satisfied with the season he's having, Bass was very direct: "No, I'm not satisfied."

Bass' basic stats aren't the only ones that pale in comparison to last season. Per Basketball-Reference, Bass' usage rate of 15.6 this season is down considerably from 19.8 last season (and 19.2 for his career), which suggests he's not being utilized as much on the offensive end. His shooting numbers fall in line with that, as he's taking nearly four fewer shots per game this season, and he's even seen a decline in field goal attempts from some of his most common shooting areas on the floor. Per HoopData, Bass' attempts from 10-15 feet are down from 2.1 last season to 1.5 this season, and from 16-23 feet his attempts are down from 5.1 to 3.2.

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His starting job seems secure for now, but that hasn't been true all season. Just last month the Celtics experimented with starting Jason Collins alongside Kevin Garnett, which relegated Bass back to the bench. But as that experiment flamed out, Bass was thrust back into the first five and he's started 33 of 43 games overall.

"Absolutely frustrating," Bass said of his shifting role. "But when you're a role player, that happens. So you've just got to make the best of your time on the court."

Asked what he would like to see different over the second half of the season, Bass offered: "Everything that comes with having better production. That's what I would like to see improve. I would like to see me being more efficient with the shots I do get, making them, try to be perfect out there. Minutes go up.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4701612/frustrated-bass-not-satisfied-with-play

Good luck getting those mins Bass, you are playing horrible this season. I'm watching the replay of last nights game, Doc was giving him the business for missed defensive rotations.

Hopefully we can package him with Terry or Green.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: SparzWizard on January 26, 2013, 05:15:05 PM
And I'm not happy with the entire Celtics production either.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: MBunge on January 26, 2013, 05:34:00 PM
There's no excuse for a lot of Bass' poor play, but I'll give him about 1% of a break because he probably expected to come into this season an play an even bigger role in things, only to have Doc decide otherwise.

Mike
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: SCeltic34 on January 26, 2013, 06:08:30 PM
Probably doesn't help that he's getting shown up by a 20 year old rookie in Sullinger, who is already a better player.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: TripleOT on January 26, 2013, 06:20:44 PM
What Bass does well has very little value in the league.  Taking a lot of 18 footers is a sucker's play.  If you hit almost half of them, so what?  That's barely one point per shot. 

In today's NBA game, teams value guys who can get it done near the rim or behind the three point line.  A good NBA player will convert over 60% of his shots near the rim, or close to 40% from behind the arc, which is also 1.2 pps.   

If Bass wants more minutes, be needs to use that sculpted body for more than launching open 16 footers. Try boxing out all game, and maybe going to the rim like a maniac three or four times a game.     
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: mgent on January 26, 2013, 06:39:17 PM
Huh?  He said he wasn't satisfied with the season he's having, not his role.

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"But when you're a role player, that happens. So you've just got to make the best of your time on the court."

Of course he wants more shots, that's what makes him a good player.  Getting benched for Collins, one of the worst players in the league, probably destroyed his spirit.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: Who on January 26, 2013, 06:39:21 PM
Bass is playing like a lost puppy dog out there. Doesn't know when to be aggressive and when not. Clearly struggling with his role.

Bass is still a good role player. A well above average backup PF.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: ScottHow on January 26, 2013, 07:24:35 PM
He's lucky he's a starter
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 26, 2013, 07:29:49 PM
I can understand this.  His role was much larger last year, and I think Sully's emergence has caused him to sulk.  Nobody likes playing behind a rookie.

That being said, Bass should try to impose his will on the game in other ways.  Box out, go to the rim, dive on the floor, run the floor hard.  He's giving us next to nothing right now, and pretty soon he'll be gone.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: j804 on January 26, 2013, 07:33:56 PM
Huh?  He said he wasn't satisfied with the season he's having, not his role.

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"But when you're a role player, that happens. So you've just got to make the best of your time on the court."

Of course he wants more shots, that's what makes him a good player.  Getting benched for Collins, one of the worst players in the league, probably destroyed his spirit.
nah it's just the easy cop out when u aren't playing well. he's had PLENTY of opportunitys to take shots he doesn't has no confidence.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: Kane3387 on January 26, 2013, 07:59:58 PM
Contract year Bass?! He is starting!!!! Play like you're legit!!! He needs to look in the mirror. He disgusts me right now.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: rondohondo on January 26, 2013, 08:07:22 PM
Can we have this Bass back please? :-\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiheJR9u8fs
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: Junkyard Dawg on January 26, 2013, 08:40:13 PM
what are people talking about?  this is an article about how Bass is not happy with his play this year.  part of that is that he's getting used less, and part of it is him realizing that he hasn't been as effective.

Bass is a hustler.  Sully clearly has the upside, rebounds better and will be a better player, but Bass deserves minutes at least as a backup.  Now if we can trade him for an upgrade, especially a big, I'm for it, but the Celtics have much bigger problems right now than Brandon Bass.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: Clench123 on January 26, 2013, 09:24:13 PM
Cry baby.  Excuses excuses excuses.  Shut up, get out there and play.  Your minutes was reduced because you weren't getting it done to begin with.  You play better and you'll get minutes.  You should be lucky you're even starting.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: Lucky17 on January 26, 2013, 09:26:44 PM
Like mgent and JD, I don't get the title of the thread.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: action781 on January 26, 2013, 09:41:30 PM
I agree with Bass to an extent.  He's obviously confused to what his role is.  He played excellently in his role last season because it was a role he was very comfortable with.  The stats support this, but if you watch the games, you see that he doesn't get the same consistent amount of opportunities for that mid range jumper that he used to get last season.

I imagine the way he feels is:  "I don't get it.  We were very successful down the stretch last year.  We're supposed to have an improved roster this year.  We brought in all these new guys this year who are eating into the minutes of myself and some of the other guys who were here playing well last year.  Doc is always messing around with our minutes "trying to find the right lineups".  Why can't we just forget these new guys and go back to what we did  THAT WORKED last year?  It sure as heck was better than what we're doing now."

I can understand that.  He obviously needs to be a professional and just do whats best for the team, but I can still understand the confusion and frustration.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: rondohondo on January 26, 2013, 09:47:07 PM
I agree with Bass to an extent.  He's obviously confused to what his role is.  He played excellently in his role last season because it was a role he was very comfortable with.  The stats support this, but if you watch the games, you see that he doesn't get the same consistent amount of opportunities for that mid range jumper that he used to get last season.

I imagine the way he feels is:  "I don't get it.  We were very successful down the stretch last year.  We're supposed to have an improved roster this year.  We brought in all these new guys this year who are eating into the minutes of myself and some of the other guys who were here playing well last year.  Doc is always messing around with our minutes "trying to find the right lineups".  Why can't we just forget these new guys and go back to what we did  THAT WORKED last year?  It sure as heck was better than what we're doing now."

I can understand that.  He obviously needs to be a professional and just do whats best for the team, but I can still understand the confusion and frustration.

I think the reason Bass isn't getting many open jumpers from 15 ft is because we have no shooting in the starting lineup with Ray gone. This has affected PP a great deal because now teams can cheat off our sg's and clog up the lane. I think the same is true for Bass, without a 3pt shooter out there it's harder for Bass to get open as easily as last year .
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: ssspence on January 26, 2013, 09:55:33 PM
word to the wise: stop losing your guy on pick and roll defense for dunks, and your minutes will go up.

Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: KG_ended_Bias on January 26, 2013, 10:32:33 PM
With the Body Bass has, its no reason for him not to rebound like Humphries or Evans do in Brooklyn. If he does that from here on out he will get paid & we will win majority of our games. Its called finding the inner-animal, so go locate it then unleash it on your opponents not newspapers!
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 26, 2013, 10:38:00 PM
I swear this reminds me so much of another NBA player. I can't put a name to it.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 26, 2013, 10:38:39 PM
I remember. This is exactly what Jermaine O'Neal said after we didn't resign him. He was terrible though. Bass, please don't be a Jermaine O'Neal.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: crimson_stallion on January 26, 2013, 10:50:32 PM
Bass is playing like a lost puppy dog out there. Doesn't know when to be aggressive and when not. Clearly struggling with his role.

Bass is still a good role player. A well above average backup PF.

Not the way he's playing this season he's not...
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: get_banners on January 26, 2013, 10:58:24 PM
I agree with Bass to an extent.  He's obviously confused to what his role is.  He played excellently in his role last season because it was a role he was very comfortable with.  The stats support this, but if you watch the games, you see that he doesn't get the same consistent amount of opportunities for that mid range jumper that he used to get last season.

I imagine the way he feels is:  "I don't get it.  We were very successful down the stretch last year.  We're supposed to have an improved roster this year.  We brought in all these new guys this year who are eating into the minutes of myself and some of the other guys who were here playing well last year.  Doc is always messing around with our minutes "trying to find the right lineups".  Why can't we just forget these new guys and go back to what we did  THAT WORKED last year?  It sure as heck was better than what we're doing now."

I can understand that.  He obviously needs to be a professional and just do whats best for the team, but I can still understand the confusion and frustration.

I think the reason Bass isn't getting many open jumpers from 15 ft is because we have no shooting in the starting lineup with Ray gone. This has affected PP a great deal because now teams can cheat off our sg's and clog up the lane. I think the same is true for Bass, without a 3pt shooter out there it's harder for Bass to get open as easily as last year .
Disagree about this big-time. Our offense took off last year when we had Rondo, Avery, PP, Bass, and KG. In other words...the exact same lineup. Bass isn't shooting the ball as well as he normally has been, and has been more prone to turnovers and mental mistakes on defense than last year...by a bit. He's right that he's getting fewer minutes and fewer touches, but that's on him. Honestly, given his play so far, he doesn't deserve more minutes, and I'd be hesitant to give him the ball on offense because he's fairly likely to mess things up. Now, if he plays like last year's Bass (aka no-pass Bass who hits his jumpers and plays solid team defense), things will be much better. But that's on him.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: BballTim on January 26, 2013, 11:10:10 PM
I agree with Bass to an extent.  He's obviously confused to what his role is.  He played excellently in his role last season because it was a role he was very comfortable with.  The stats support this, but if you watch the games, you see that he doesn't get the same consistent amount of opportunities for that mid range jumper that he used to get last season.

I imagine the way he feels is:  "I don't get it.  We were very successful down the stretch last year.  We're supposed to have an improved roster this year.  We brought in all these new guys this year who are eating into the minutes of myself and some of the other guys who were here playing well last year.  Doc is always messing around with our minutes "trying to find the right lineups".  Why can't we just forget these new guys and go back to what we did  THAT WORKED last year?  It sure as heck was better than what we're doing now."

I can understand that.  He obviously needs to be a professional and just do whats best for the team, but I can still understand the confusion and frustration.

I think the reason Bass isn't getting many open jumpers from 15 ft is because we have no shooting in the starting lineup with Ray gone. This has affected PP a great deal because now teams can cheat off our sg's and clog up the lane. I think the same is true for Bass, without a 3pt shooter out there it's harder for Bass to get open as easily as last year .

  I'm thinking the reason might have something to do with him looking like he wasn't expecting the pass almost every time the ball comes to him.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 26, 2013, 11:13:34 PM
I read this as him not stisfied with how he's playing, not his role.

I still expect a little more production from him though. Granted he's not getting the shots he normally gets, but he still needs to do some work on other things. He can bruise his way for rebounds, hustle and play tight defense. Shots should be the last thing he must worry about.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: tonyto3690 on January 27, 2013, 01:44:33 AM
I'm usually in the "support Bass" camp and think he's undervalued around here, but he really needs to shut up.  You aren't given minutes in the NBA.  You earn them.  It's his fault his shot isn't falling so naturally instead of wasting possessions we go with better options.  It's equally his fault he hasn't earned playing time because he is a mediocre rebounder and has regressed on defense.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: caffeinated on January 27, 2013, 02:34:14 AM
I think the reason Bass isn't getting many open jumpers from 15 ft is because we have no shooting in the starting lineup with Ray gone. This has affected PP a great deal because now teams can cheat off our sg's and clog up the lane. I think the same is true for Bass, without a 3pt shooter out there it's harder for Bass to get open as easily as last year .

  I'm thinking the reason might have something to do with him looking like he wasn't expecting the pass almost every time the ball comes to him.

I notice that too, and it happens way too often.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 27, 2013, 07:34:47 AM
Bass struggles are squarely on him. And this talk about his role is all nonsense. He started on the bench last year, and he thrived in that role. He only became a starter when we had no other option to go to... and last year, he played better off the bench.

So this whole excuse about Bass not being comfortable in his role, etc., etc. is pure crap. It's the role he's been playing for his whole career.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: Chief on January 27, 2013, 08:27:33 AM
Bass is a fool. You earn minutes. Most average pfs can get 14 and 6 if they play 36 minutes. Heck, you can probably get the rebounds being in the pf postion on missed free throws.


The problem with Bass is that he can't score in the post. If I was building an NBA team, I'd never have a pf who had zero low post ability.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 27, 2013, 09:23:02 AM
Bazz  not happy ....  I,m. Not  crazy about his play either
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 27, 2013, 10:06:44 AM
He needs to be moved ASAP.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: jbaerg on January 27, 2013, 10:12:46 AM
I wouldn't be happy with being the biggest disappointment either.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: CoachBo on January 27, 2013, 10:14:58 AM
He can't hit a shot or guard a chair.

I'm not terribly thrilled with him, either.
Title: Re: Bass not happy with his role
Post by: celticinorlando on January 27, 2013, 11:12:34 AM
hey bass...i am unhappy with you as a player. trade him