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QuoteAnybody in?
Nope.
Adding Pau but subtracting Pierce doesn't make us a contender.
Bad. I heard it was deemed false and it seems very unlikely
Source is Marc Stein in the weekend dimeBad. I heard it was deemed false and it seems very unlikely
Source?...thanks
Lakers trying to add a young star in Rudy Gay to go along with Dwight Howard.
Building the foundation for the next 5-8 years of title-contention post Kobe Bryant.
Source is Marc Stein in the weekend dimeBad. I heard it was deemed false and it seems very unlikely
Source?...thanks
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-130125-26/nba-scouts-saying-now
"So it's premature, to me, to throw Pierce's name up there with Rudy Gay and Pau Gasol on the list of high-profile names available this trade season, even though we've heard more than one rival team speculate -- given that the Celtics and Grizzlies, sources say, have indeed held some exploratory trade talks since Gay hit the market -- that a three-way deal where Pierce lands in Memphis, Gasol goes to Boston and Gay joins the Lakers makes "some sense.""
Oh, well Stein can't give up his scout source otherwise that scout would get fired and he would no longer have a source.Source is Marc Stein in the weekend dimeBad. I heard it was deemed false and it seems very unlikely
Source?...thanks
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-130125-26/nba-scouts-saying-now
"So it's premature, to me, to throw Pierce's name up there with Rudy Gay and Pau Gasol on the list of high-profile names available this trade season, even though we've heard more than one rival team speculate -- given that the Celtics and Grizzlies, sources say, have indeed held some exploratory trade talks since Gay hit the market -- that a three-way deal where Pierce lands in Memphis, Gasol goes to Boston and Gay joins the Lakers makes "some sense.""
Evantime, thanks for the source, but that was the same source I referenced in the OP.
What I was asking was the source to the claim that:
"I heard it was deemed false and it seems very unlikely."
Thanks again, though. TP
Lakers trying to add a young star in Rudy Gay to go along with Dwight Howard.
Building the foundation for the next 5-8 years of title-contention post Kobe Bryant.
Apart from the fact that Gay ain't no star.
PG - Rondo
SG - Lee
SF - Green
PF - KG
C - Pau
.... that roster makes more sense. Still probably not a major contender unless KG starts playing vintage ball, but Pau and KG next together would be awesome.
QuoteAnybody in?
Nope.
Adding Pau but subtracting Pierce doesn't make us a contender.
TOTALLY disagree. Pierce looks awful. Gasol and KG down low would be deadly together. I would've made this trade yesterday and twice the day before.
QuoteAnybody in?
Nope.
Adding Pau but subtracting Pierce doesn't make us a contender.
TOTALLY disagree. Pierce looks awful. Gasol and KG down low would be deadly together. I would've made this trade yesterday and twice the day before.
THIS^
I wouldn't even touch this deal. Pierce > Gasol.
QuoteAnybody in?
Nope.
Adding Pau but subtracting Pierce doesn't make us a contender.
TOTALLY disagree. Pierce looks awful. Gasol and KG down low would be deadly together. I would've made this trade yesterday and twice the day before.
THIS^
Have you guys watched Pau play recently? He's played poorly his last two trips to the playoffs, and has been bad this year.
Our biggest issue right now is with offense, and Pau isn't going to elevate us in that regard.
Why not Z-Bo over Pau?
Pau to Memphis with his Bro. Pierce back home to LA. Z-Bo to Boston alongside KG.
QuoteAnybody in?
Nope.
Adding Pau but subtracting Pierce doesn't make us a contender.
TOTALLY disagree. Pierce looks awful. Gasol and KG down low would be deadly together. I would've made this trade yesterday and twice the day before.
THIS^
Have you guys watched Pau play recently? He's played poorly his last two trips to the playoffs, and has been bad this year.
Our biggest issue right now is with offense, and Pau isn't going to elevate us in that regard.
PG - Rondo
SG - Lee
SF - Green
PF - KG
C - Pau
.... that roster makes more sense. Still probably not a major contender unless KG starts playing vintage ball, but Pau and KG next together would be awesome.
Lee starts over Bradley?
Which would make us a better team. Pierce here starting or gasol next to KG with green starting. I mean, unless you think gasol is a complete bum and has nothing left *Because that's exactly how pierce is playing* i don't see how you couldn't say gasol. Gasol next to KG? Are you kidding me? With rondo setting everybody up? I think we can survive not having pierce turning the ball over and getting blocked 5 times a game while playing old man defense.
QuoteAnybody in?
Nope.
Adding Pau but subtracting Pierce doesn't make us a contender.
TOTALLY disagree. Pierce looks awful. Gasol and KG down low would be deadly together. I would've made this trade yesterday and twice the day before.
THIS^
Have you guys watched Pau play recently? He's played poorly his last two trips to the playoffs, and has been bad this year.
Our biggest issue right now is with offense, and Pau isn't going to elevate us in that regard.
If the Lakers are set on Gay then I like this deal for all involved.
Z-Bo to Boston.
Pierce and Pau to Memphis.
Gay to the Lakers.
QuoteAnybody in?
Nope.
Adding Pau but subtracting Pierce doesn't make us a contender.
TOTALLY disagree. Pierce looks awful. Gasol and KG down low would be deadly together. I would've made this trade yesterday and twice the day before.
THIS^
Have you guys watched Pau play recently? He's played poorly his last two trips to the playoffs, and has been bad this year.
Our biggest issue right now is with offense, and Pau isn't going to elevate us in that regard.
Pau has indeed struggled this year, but I think at least a large part of that has to do with D'Antoni's system having no place for Pau (since Dwight's there), and D'Antoni misusing him whenever he does see the floor—trying to force him to be a three-point shooter, which negates Pau's great post game.
Lakers trying to add a young star in Rudy Gay to go along with Dwight Howard.
Building the foundation for the next 5-8 years of title-contention post Kobe Bryant.
Apart from the fact that Gay ain't no star.
Yeah right now if you were rank them it would go:
#1 - (Healthy) Pau
#2 - Pierce
#3 - Gay
Lakers trying to add a young star in Rudy Gay to go along with Dwight Howard.
Building the foundation for the next 5-8 years of title-contention post Kobe Bryant.
Apart from the fact that Gay ain't no star.
Yeah right now if you were rank them it would go:
#1 - (Healthy) Pau
#2 - Pierce
#3 - Gay
I would rate Pau Gasol as the best player in the deal. Rudy Gay as the 2nd best but the most valuable overall due to his youth.
I see Pierce as the least valuable. Oldest and worst.
Pau is softer than Jeff Green. He has played awful since sucking in the 2011 playoffs, and I don't expect him to be as good with KG as some on here are saying.What are your concerns about Pau Gasol alongside Garnett?
Hmm ... I suppose Zach Randolph would be above Pierce and Gay. I would have him behind Pau although I imagine many would disagree with that.Lakers trying to add a young star in Rudy Gay to go along with Dwight Howard.
Building the foundation for the next 5-8 years of title-contention post Kobe Bryant.
Apart from the fact that Gay ain't no star.
Yeah right now if you were rank them it would go:
#1 - (Healthy) Pau
#2 - Pierce
#3 - Gay
I would rate Pau Gasol as the best player in the deal. Rudy Gay as the 2nd best but the most valuable overall due to his youth.
I see Pierce as the least valuable. Oldest and worst.
Where does Z-Bo rank in there?
Pau + KG + Green + Bradley + Rondo
Worst offensive spacing in the NBA? We're already 27th in the NBA in 3PT shooting... this would make us the worst in the league by a far margin, I bet.
Pau + KG + Green + Bradley + Rondo
Worst offensive spacing in the NBA? We're already 27th in the NBA in 3PT shooting... this would make us the worst in the league by a far margin, I bet.
I'm not so sure about that. Green and Bradley are decent 3 pt shooters, Rondo is a much better 3pt shooter than the past, and KG and Pau are both excellent jump shooters themselves. We would also have 3 outstanding passers at their positions in that lineup with Rondo, KG, and Pau.
Look at it this way, Pau is a better outside shooter than Bass, who he would be replacing, and Green is a bit worse than Pierce, but at this stage in their careers not that much worse a 3 pt shooter.
Pau + KG + Green + Bradley + RondoI think the spacing will be fine but I do agree there is a major lack of three point shooting there. It would make somebody like a Jared Dudley, JJ Redick or Kyle Korver more necessary.
Worst offensive spacing in the NBA? We're already 27th in the NBA in 3PT shooting... this would make us the worst in the league by a far margin, I bet.
Pau + KG + Green + Bradley + Rondo
Worst offensive spacing in the NBA? We're already 27th in the NBA in 3PT shooting... this would make us the worst in the league by a far margin, I bet.
QuoteAnybody in?
Nope.
Adding Pau but subtracting Pierce doesn't make us a contender.
TOTALLY disagree. Pierce looks awful. Gasol and KG down low would be deadly together. I would've made this trade yesterday and twice the day before.
THIS^
Have you guys watched Pau play recently? He's played poorly his last two trips to the playoffs, and has been bad this year.
Our biggest issue right now is with offense, and Pau isn't going to elevate us in that regard.
Pau has indeed struggled this year, but I think at least a large part of that has to do with D'Antoni's system having no place for Pau (since Dwight's there), and D'Antoni misusing him whenever he does see the floor—trying to force him to be a three-point shooter, which negates Pau's great post game.
What about the playoffs the last two seasons, when he's averaged around 12 points and shot 42%?
I just don't see the evidence that Pau is going to be able to carry a team offensively. A lineup of Pau/KG/Green/Bradley/Rondo is very poor offensively, even worse than our current team. Plus, our bench scoring would be worse without Green's sporadic contributions.
The spacing -- something we already struggle with -- would be terrible. I'm willing to be convinced, though; what starting lineup features less outside shooting?Overall jump-shooting or three point shooting?
The spacing -- something we already struggle with -- would be terrible. I'm willing to be convinced, though; what starting lineup features less outside shooting?Overall jump-shooting or three point shooting?
If strictly three point shooting, not many starting lineups if any have worse shooting than that unit. If overall jump-shooting, I think Boston would rate fairly mediocre largely due to the strength of their big man shooters pulling them up the rankings.
Pau is softer than Jeff Green. He has played awful since sucking in the 2011 playoffs, and I don't expect him to be as good with KG as some on here are saying.What are your concerns about Pau Gasol alongside Garnett?
Why do you think Pau won't be as good alongside KG as some expect Pau to be?
Roy,Pau
Your opinion carries weight. You're pretty analytical compared to most when it comes to roster moves for Boston. I get the feeling you would rather just stick with Pierce, but let's assume he would be moved for either Pau or Z-Bo.
So, Z-Bo or Pau on our squad assuming we're going to trade Pierce for one of them? And thus promote Jeff to starter.
Who would you like more next to Garnett?
Roy,Pau
Your opinion carries weight. You're pretty analytical compared to most when it comes to roster moves for Boston. I get the feeling you would rather just stick with Pierce, but let's assume he would be moved for either Pau or Z-Bo.
So, Z-Bo or Pau on our squad assuming we're going to trade Pierce for one of them? And thus promote Jeff to starter.
Who would you like more next to Garnett?
Roy,Pau
Your opinion carries weight. You're pretty analytical compared to most when it comes to roster moves for Boston. I get the feeling you would rather just stick with Pierce, but let's assume he would be moved for either Pau or Z-Bo.
So, Z-Bo or Pau on our squad assuming we're going to trade Pierce for one of them? And thus promote Jeff to starter.
Who would you like more next to Garnett?
Roy,
Your opinion carries weight. You're pretty analytical compared to most when it comes to roster moves for Boston. I get the feeling you would rather just stick with Pierce, but let's assume he would be moved for either Pau or Z-Bo.
So, Z-Bo or Pau on our squad assuming we're going to trade Pierce for one of them? And thus promote Jeff to starter.
Who would you like more next to Garnett?
Roy,Pau
Your opinion carries weight. You're pretty analytical compared to most when it comes to roster moves for Boston. I get the feeling you would rather just stick with Pierce, but let's assume he would be moved for either Pau or Z-Bo.
So, Z-Bo or Pau on our squad assuming we're going to trade Pierce for one of them? And thus promote Jeff to starter.
Who would you like more next to Garnett?
^This. Z-Bo hogs the ball and even though he is younger, has the tendency to think of himself too much as the alpha dog. Gasol does neither.
Gasol and Garnett could be a potentially lethal inside and out combo having Garnett on the perimeter and Gasol in the post. Those are their natural games and nothing will change that.
I'm for this trade even though there's probably no legs to it (The Lakers aren't helping us to get an overpaid 3. Especially since Howard could be leaving regardless), but only if Danny can get another wing in the process. We need more than Jeff to cover Lebron. This is why I wanted the Celtics to re-sign Marquis. He may not be offensively skilled but he's a reliable defender. Always has been.
EDIT: Also, garnett and gasol are two amazing passers for big men. They'd work very well together.
Roy,Pau
Your opinion carries weight. You're pretty analytical compared to most when it comes to roster moves for Boston. I get the feeling you would rather just stick with Pierce, but let's assume he would be moved for either Pau or Z-Bo.
So, Z-Bo or Pau on our squad assuming we're going to trade Pierce for one of them? And thus promote Jeff to starter.
Who would you like more next to Garnett?
^This. Z-Bo hogs the ball and even though he is younger, has the tendency to think of himself too much as the alpha dog. Gasol does neither.
Gasol and Garnett could be a potentially lethal inside and out combo having Garnett on the perimeter and Gasol in the post. Those are their natural games and nothing will change that.
I'm for this trade even though there's probably no legs to it (The Lakers aren't helping us to get an overpaid 3. Especially since Howard could be leaving regardless), but only if Danny can get another wing in the process. We need more than Jeff to cover Lebron. This is why I wanted the Celtics to re-sign Marquis. He may not be offensively skilled but he's a reliable defender. Always has been.
EDIT: Also, garnett and gasol are two amazing passers for big men. They'd work very well together.
At the same time, if Paul was gone, wouldn't we need a "ball hog" down the stretch, somebody who wasn't scared to take the team on his shoulders?