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Title: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 25, 2013, 11:10:20 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 25, 2013, 11:11:09 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

If my sportsbook account was still open i would bet big $$$$$$$$$$$ on the heat.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Chief on January 25, 2013, 11:11:14 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

 :-\
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: slamtheking on January 25, 2013, 11:12:24 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.
I'll bet you a TP otherwise. 
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: CelticSooner on January 25, 2013, 11:13:48 PM
Would not surprise me. It doesn't mean much at the moment though.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Eddie20 on January 25, 2013, 11:14:53 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

If my sportsbook account was still open i would bet big $$$$$$$$$$$ on the heat.

The Heat has actually been playing poorly. Definitely not as poorly as us, but poorly nevertheless. I too think the C's win this one.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Spicoli on January 25, 2013, 11:16:26 PM
Would not surprise me. It doesn't mean much at the moment though.

I agree. Even if they pull out a miracle win, their current situation is bleak. What good is a win against Miami if they lose to just about every other team.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 25, 2013, 11:16:41 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.
I'll bet you a TP otherwise.

The only way they'll beat us is if LeBron has a ridiculous monster game... otherwise, we'll win.

No one else on that team will have a good game, I guarantee it. We'll out rebound them also.

Regardless of how we play, I really feel our team is tailored made to stop Miami.

Wade will struggle, Ray is will struggle, Bosh 70% sure he'll struggle.

Mike Miller is an  X factor to me though.

But you'll see, Miami is going down.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Celtics18 on January 25, 2013, 11:17:00 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

That earns you a TP.  I giveth.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 25, 2013, 11:17:17 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

If my sportsbook account was still open i would bet big $$$$$$$$$$$ on the heat.

The Heat has actually been playing poorly. Definitely not as poorly as us, but poorly nevertheless. I too think the C's win this one.

have the heat lost 6 in a row? Did they just blow a 27 point lead?
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 25, 2013, 11:18:38 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.
I'll bet you a TP otherwise.

The only way they'll beat us is if LeBron has a ridiculous monster game... otherwise, we'll win.

No one else on that team will have a good game, I guarantee it. We'll out rebound them also.

Regardless of how we play, I really feel our team is tailored made to stop Miami.

Wade will struggle, Ray is will struggle, Bosh 70% sure he'll struggle.

Mike Miller is an  X factor to me though.

But you'll see, Miami is going down.

Love the sarcasm!  ;D
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Who on January 25, 2013, 11:20:03 PM
I don't know. I am worried the team will be pretty knackered after this double overtime game against Atlanta and that hard fought game against New York. I think these last two games have taken a lot out of the team.

I am not expecting a dominant performance from them against Miami.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 25, 2013, 11:20:41 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.
I'll bet you a TP otherwise.

The only way they'll beat us is if LeBron has a ridiculous monster game... otherwise, we'll win.

No one else on that team will have a good game, I guarantee it. We'll out rebound them also.

Regardless of how we play, I really feel our team is tailored made to stop Miami.

Wade will struggle, Ray is will struggle, Bosh 70% sure he'll struggle.

Mike Miller is an  X factor to me though.

But you'll see, Miami is going down.

Love the sarcasm!  ;D

Make fun of my analysis at your peril. But Miami won't match-up well with us.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 25, 2013, 11:21:37 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.
I'll bet you a TP otherwise.

The only way they'll beat us is if LeBron has a ridiculous monster game... otherwise, we'll win.

No one else on that team will have a good game, I guarantee it. We'll out rebound them also.

Regardless of how we play, I really feel our team is tailored made to stop Miami.

Wade will struggle, Ray is will struggle, Bosh 70% sure he'll struggle.

Mike Miller is an  X factor to me though.

But you'll see, Miami is going down.

Love the sarcasm!  ;D

Make fun of my analysis at your peril. But Miami won't match-up well with us.

let's bet a TP and make this fun ok? deal?
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 25, 2013, 11:25:01 PM
I don't know. I am worried the team will be pretty knackered after this double overtime game against Atlanta and that hard fought game against New York. I think these last two games have taken a lot out of the team.

I am not expecting a dominant performance from them against Miami.

I'm not expecting a dominant performance either, but this is Miami, and the Celtics will come to play.

I'm relying more on Miami not having a good game against us based on our ability to shut-down their SGs and PGs, and their lack of dominant low post player. The don't rebound well, and teams that are good offensive rebounders are the ones that give us the biggest trouble.

So in all, I don't see Miami having a good game against.

I'll tell you this much, we play Miami like we played against Atlanta today, we beat them without a sweat.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2013, 11:29:10 PM
I love the optimism, and I'm with you.

This will be a statement game, and I believe they will FINALLY show up.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Eddie20 on January 25, 2013, 11:30:52 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

If my sportsbook account was still open i would bet big $$$$$$$$$$$ on the heat.

The Heat has actually been playing poorly. Definitely not as poorly as us, but poorly nevertheless. I too think the C's win this one.

have the heat lost 6 in a row? Did they just blow a 27 point lead?

And that means what exactly? Does that matter when the game is actually played? sDon't know about you, but I actually live in Miami and see the majority of Heat games. Their defense is awful and they are dead last in rebounding. They are not playing like the juggernaut a lot of people make them out to be. Especially on the road.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 25, 2013, 11:35:05 PM
I love the optimism, and I'm with you.

This will be a statement game, and I believe they will FINALLY show up.

The problem is not showing up, but staying afterwards.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 25, 2013, 11:37:10 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

If my sportsbook account was still open i would bet big $$$$$$$$$$$ on the heat.

The Heat has actually been playing poorly. Definitely not as poorly as us, but poorly nevertheless. I too think the C's win this one.

have the heat lost 6 in a row? Did they just blow a 27 point lead?

And that means what exactly? Does that matter when the game is actually played? sDon't know about you, but I actually live in Miami and see the majority of Heat games. Their defense is awful and they are dead last in rebounding. They are not playing like the juggernaut a lot of people make them out to be. Especially on the road.

yeah and I see plenty New Orleans Pelicans games because I live close to NOLA and guess what? The pelicans suck and you know what? they BEAT US! So since miami is so terrible according to you in many ways they just might beat us also right? 
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 25, 2013, 11:37:29 PM
Even if the celtics do win what does it really mean? Absolutely nothing. They will still be 2 games under 500 fighting an uphill battle. I don't want anybody blowing this game out of proportion. Its one game.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Celtics18 on January 25, 2013, 11:44:52 PM
Even if the celtics do win what does it really mean? Absolutely nothing. They will still be 2 games under 500 fighting an uphill battle. I don't want anybody blowing this game out of proportion. Its one game.

Believe it or not, we are still two and a half games ahead of Philly for the eighth spot in the East.  So, there's really no reason to give up on the team yet.  If we can pull a big upset against Miami, of course it would be a big win.  We really need one. 
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: PhoSita on January 25, 2013, 11:45:47 PM
No single win can mean anything at all at this point.  The team lost the opportunity to "redeem" themselves a long time ago.  Follow a six game winning streak with a six game losing streak.  What a joke.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Celtics18 on January 25, 2013, 11:51:30 PM
No single win can mean anything at all at this point.  The team lost the opportunity to "redeem" themselves a long time ago.  Follow a six game winning streak with a six game losing streak.  What a joke.

I don't get this at all.  The season's only halfway over.  We are two and a half games ahead of the ninth seed in the East. 

I guess, it's to each his own here;  Feel free to write the team off and give up on them if you like.  I envision some better play coming from this team (I shudder to imagine it getting any worse).  Then what?  It'll be too late for you?  They've wounded you too deeply for you to take them back?
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 25, 2013, 11:52:41 PM
No single win can mean anything at all at this point.  The team lost the opportunity to "redeem" themselves a long time ago.  Follow a six game winning streak with a six game losing streak.  What a joke.

This is exactly my point. The celtics have already proven they can beat good teams. What always happens after that tho? I'm just saying we're at the point now where no one win is huge. Do we need the win? Yeah. Will it mean we're back on track? Absolutely not. Even after winning 6 in a row the celtics have proven they are still not ready to be consistent. So why would one win against miami prove anything? I know I'm being negative but I'm just telling it like it is.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: bfrombleacher on January 25, 2013, 11:53:17 PM
No single win can mean anything at all at this point.  The team lost the opportunity to "redeem" themselves a long time ago.  Follow a six game winning streak with a six game losing streak.  What a joke.

I don't get this at all.  The season's only halfway over.  We are two and a half games ahead of the ninth seed in the East. 

I guess, it's to each his own here;  Feel free to write the team off and give up on them if you like.  I envision some better play coming from this team (I shudder to imagine it getting any worse).  Then what?  It'll be too late for you?  They've wounded you too deeply for you to take them back?

lol
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2013, 11:54:21 PM
I love the optimism, and I'm with you.

This will be a statement game, and I believe they will FINALLY show up.

The problem is not showing up, but staying afterwards.

What I meant was the guys who hasnt showwd up. Bass will show up, Jet will as well. I believe so.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Eddie20 on January 26, 2013, 12:00:03 AM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

If my sportsbook account was still open i would bet big $$$$$$$$$$$ on the heat.

The Heat has actually been playing poorly. Definitely not as poorly as us, but poorly nevertheless. I too think the C's win this one.

have the heat lost 6 in a row? Did they just blow a 27 point lead?

And that means what exactly? Does that matter when the game is actually played? sDon't know about you, but I actually live in Miami and see the majority of Heat games. Their defense is awful and they are dead last in rebounding. They are not playing like the juggernaut a lot of people make them out to be. Especially on the road.

yeah and I see plenty New Orleans Pelicans games because I live close to NOLA and guess what? The pelicans suck and you know what? they BEAT US! So since miami is so terrible according to you in many ways they just might beat us also right?

Miami could beat us, but I don't expect them to. You brought a 6 game losing streak as if somehow that means anything on Sunday. When did I say Miami is terrible? What I said is that they're not the juggernaut people think. They are dead last in rebounding, struggle on dribble penetration (especially against PG's), are bad in defending the 3 (no coincidence as to why NY has beat them by 40 in 2 games), and have won only 4 out of their last 9 road games.


You sound angry. It's a long season. Get off the ledge.

Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Celtics18 on January 26, 2013, 12:01:05 AM
No single win can mean anything at all at this point.  The team lost the opportunity to "redeem" themselves a long time ago.  Follow a six game winning streak with a six game losing streak.  What a joke.

This is exactly my point. The celtics have already proven they can beat good teams. What always happens after that tho? I'm just saying we're at the point now where no one win is huge. Do we need the win? Yeah. Will it mean we're back on track? Absolutely not. Even after winning 6 in a row the celtics have proven they are still not ready to be consistent. So why would one win against miami prove anything? I know I'm being negative but I'm just telling it like it is.

I'm sorry, but you're not really telling anything like it is.  It's a looooong season.  Ups and downs happen.  We look like crap right now, but it's certainly not too late for big wins just like it's not too late for bad losses.  Unfortunately, tonight's game squarely falls in the latter category.  Time to go see if we can't start to check off a few in the former.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: syfy9 on January 26, 2013, 12:03:54 AM
I'll add a TP to the betting pool against the Celtics winning.


I'd like to see me wrong, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: ManUp on January 26, 2013, 12:11:31 AM
I thought to myself "yeah right" when i saw this thread title.
 
It's sad.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 26, 2013, 12:13:30 AM
No single win can mean anything at all at this point.  The team lost the opportunity to "redeem" themselves a long time ago.  Follow a six game winning streak with a six game losing streak.  What a joke.

This is exactly my point. The celtics have already proven they can beat good teams. What always happens after that tho? I'm just saying we're at the point now where no one win is huge. Do we need the win? Yeah. Will it mean we're back on track? Absolutely not. Even after winning 6 in a row the celtics have proven they are still not ready to be consistent. So why would one win against miami prove anything? I know I'm being negative but I'm just telling it like it is.

I'm sorry, but you're not really telling anything like it is.  It's a looooong season.  Ups and downs happen.  We look like crap right now, but it's certainly not too late for big wins just like it's not too late for bad losses.  Unfortunately, tonight's game squarely falls in the latter category.  Time to go see if we can't start to check off a few in the former.

No see, I'm basing what I'm saying off of what is actually happening. You're basing your thoughts on what you hope will happen. I never said it was TOO LATE. I just haven't seen a team that looks like they will turn into some championship team all of a sudden.

I see a team that is mediocre. Maybe above average on their best day. The only reason you feel the way you feel is because you're a C's fan and you can't for the life of you take off your homer hat to be realistic about this team even for a second.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: vinnie on January 26, 2013, 12:16:56 AM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

If my sportsbook account was still open i would bet big $$$$$$$$$$$ on the heat.

The Heat has actually been playing poorly. Definitely not as poorly as us, but poorly nevertheless. I too think the C's win this one.

Heat have won 4 straight games
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: vinnie on January 26, 2013, 12:18:18 AM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.
I'll bet you a TP otherwise.

The only way they'll beat us is if LeBron has a ridiculous monster game... otherwise, we'll win.

No one else on that team will have a good game, I guarantee it. We'll out rebound them also.

Regardless of how we play, I really feel our team is tailored made to stop Miami.

Wade will struggle, Ray is will struggle, Bosh 70% sure he'll struggle.

Mike Miller is an  X factor to me though.

But you'll see, Miami is going down.

Love the sarcasm!  ;D

Make fun of my analysis at your peril. But Miami won't match-up well with us.

I thought for sure this was a sarcastic thread. I am shocked it is not. The Celtics do not match up well with anyone in the league right now.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: vinnie on January 26, 2013, 12:19:10 AM
I love the optimism, and I'm with you.

This will be a statement game, and I believe they will FINALLY show up.

A statement about what? Now we are 2 games under .500 instead of 3?
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: vinnie on January 26, 2013, 12:21:21 AM
No single win can mean anything at all at this point.  The team lost the opportunity to "redeem" themselves a long time ago.  Follow a six game winning streak with a six game losing streak.  What a joke.

I don't get this at all.  The season's only halfway over.  We are two and a half games ahead of the ninth seed in the East. 

I guess, it's to each his own here;  Feel free to write the team off and give up on them if you like.  I envision some better play coming from this team (I shudder to imagine it getting any worse).  Then what?  It'll be too late for you?  They've wounded you too deeply for you to take them back?

Have you watched everything that has happened this year?

1. First 6-game losing streak since 2007
2. Worst three straight losses in like 30 years
3. First time in 9 years that they have lost a lead like this and then lost the game
4. And so on

Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Celtics18 on January 26, 2013, 12:28:06 AM
No single win can mean anything at all at this point.  The team lost the opportunity to "redeem" themselves a long time ago.  Follow a six game winning streak with a six game losing streak.  What a joke.

This is exactly my point. The celtics have already proven they can beat good teams. What always happens after that tho? I'm just saying we're at the point now where no one win is huge. Do we need the win? Yeah. Will it mean we're back on track? Absolutely not. Even after winning 6 in a row the celtics have proven they are still not ready to be consistent. So why would one win against miami prove anything? I know I'm being negative but I'm just telling it like it is.

I'm sorry, but you're not really telling anything like it is.  It's a looooong season.  Ups and downs happen.  We look like crap right now, but it's certainly not too late for big wins just like it's not too late for bad losses.  Unfortunately, tonight's game squarely falls in the latter category.  Time to go see if we can't start to check off a few in the former.

No see, I'm basing what I'm saying off of what is actually happening. You're basing your thoughts on what you hope will happen. I never said it was TOO LATE. I just haven't seen a team that looks like they will turn into some championship team all of a sudden.

I see a team that is mediocre. Maybe above average on their best day. The only reason you feel the way you feel is because you're a C's fan and you can't for the life of you take off your homer hat to be realistic about this team even for a second.

There's no need for insults.  I've given my reasons plenty of times for why I think this team still has the capability to turn this season around. 

I feel that a lot of it hinges on Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett's ability to up their levels of play as the team heads into the playoffs.  I'm not saying that it's an absolute given that they will be able to considering their ages, but it does buoy my hopes that they've both been down this road before on numerous occasions.  Eventually, father time will catch up with them for good, but I think that there is a reasonable sliver of hope that they can keep the grim reaper of b-ball ability at bay for at least one more run.

You don't have to agree, but I see no need for your dogged insistence that everyone must see things from your point of view, or to insult those who don't. 
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Celtics18 on January 26, 2013, 12:30:01 AM
No single win can mean anything at all at this point.  The team lost the opportunity to "redeem" themselves a long time ago.  Follow a six game winning streak with a six game losing streak.  What a joke.

I don't get this at all.  The season's only halfway over.  We are two and a half games ahead of the ninth seed in the East. 

I guess, it's to each his own here;  Feel free to write the team off and give up on them if you like.  I envision some better play coming from this team (I shudder to imagine it getting any worse).  Then what?  It'll be too late for you?  They've wounded you too deeply for you to take them back?

Have you watched everything that has happened this year?

1. First 6-game losing streak since 2007
2. Worst three straight losses in like 30 years
3. First time in 9 years that they have lost a lead like this and then lost the game
4. And so on

Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

What?!!  We've lost six in a row?!!  How did this happen?!!!

Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 26, 2013, 12:32:14 AM
No single win can mean anything at all at this point.  The team lost the opportunity to "redeem" themselves a long time ago.  Follow a six game winning streak with a six game losing streak.  What a joke.

This is exactly my point. The celtics have already proven they can beat good teams. What always happens after that tho? I'm just saying we're at the point now where no one win is huge. Do we need the win? Yeah. Will it mean we're back on track? Absolutely not. Even after winning 6 in a row the celtics have proven they are still not ready to be consistent. So why would one win against miami prove anything? I know I'm being negative but I'm just telling it like it is.

I'm sorry, but you're not really telling anything like it is.  It's a looooong season.  Ups and downs happen.  We look like crap right now, but it's certainly not too late for big wins just like it's not too late for bad losses.  Unfortunately, tonight's game squarely falls in the latter category.  Time to go see if we can't start to check off a few in the former.

No see, I'm basing what I'm saying off of what is actually happening. You're basing your thoughts on what you hope will happen. I never said it was TOO LATE. I just haven't seen a team that looks like they will turn into some championship team all of a sudden.

I see a team that is mediocre. Maybe above average on their best day. The only reason you feel the way you feel is because you're a C's fan and you can't for the life of you take off your homer hat to be realistic about this team even for a second.

There's no need for insults.  I've given my reasons plenty of times for why I think this team still has the capability to turn this season around. 

I feel that a lot of it hinges on Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett's ability to up their levels of play as the team heads into the playoffs.  I'm not saying that it's an absolute given that they will be able to considering their ages, but it does buoy my hopes that they've both been down this road before on numerous occasions.  Eventually, father time will catch up with them for good, but I think that there is a reasonable sliver of hope that they can keep the grim reaper of b-ball ability at bay for at least one more run.

You don't have to agree, but I see no need for your dogged insistence that everyone must see things from your point of view, or to insult those who don't.

Saying you can't take off your homer hat is not an insult just an observation. Not trying to insult anyone. Also the line that i put in bold is what i think is happening right now with pierce.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Celtics18 on January 26, 2013, 12:40:23 AM
No single win can mean anything at all at this point.  The team lost the opportunity to "redeem" themselves a long time ago.  Follow a six game winning streak with a six game losing streak.  What a joke.

This is exactly my point. The celtics have already proven they can beat good teams. What always happens after that tho? I'm just saying we're at the point now where no one win is huge. Do we need the win? Yeah. Will it mean we're back on track? Absolutely not. Even after winning 6 in a row the celtics have proven they are still not ready to be consistent. So why would one win against miami prove anything? I know I'm being negative but I'm just telling it like it is.

I'm sorry, but you're not really telling anything like it is.  It's a looooong season.  Ups and downs happen.  We look like crap right now, but it's certainly not too late for big wins just like it's not too late for bad losses.  Unfortunately, tonight's game squarely falls in the latter category.  Time to go see if we can't start to check off a few in the former.

No see, I'm basing what I'm saying off of what is actually happening. You're basing your thoughts on what you hope will happen. I never said it was TOO LATE. I just haven't seen a team that looks like they will turn into some championship team all of a sudden.

I see a team that is mediocre. Maybe above average on their best day. The only reason you feel the way you feel is because you're a C's fan and you can't for the life of you take off your homer hat to be realistic about this team even for a second.

There's no need for insults.  I've given my reasons plenty of times for why I think this team still has the capability to turn this season around. 

I feel that a lot of it hinges on Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett's ability to up their levels of play as the team heads into the playoffs.  I'm not saying that it's an absolute given that they will be able to considering their ages, but it does buoy my hopes that they've both been down this road before on numerous occasions.  Eventually, father time will catch up with them for good, but I think that there is a reasonable sliver of hope that they can keep the grim reaper of b-ball ability at bay for at least one more run.

You don't have to agree, but I see no need for your dogged insistence that everyone must see things from your point of view, or to insult those who don't.

Saying you can't take off your homer hat is not an insult just an observation. Not trying to insult anyone. Also the line that i put in bold is what i think is happening right now with pierce.

O.K., so you disagree with me.  Just keep in mind that we've heard the premature reports of the demises of Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett before, and in each of those instances, the reports were indeed premature. 

Paul Pierce was playing like an All-Star about a month ago (maybe a little less than that).  I find it hard to believe that all of a sudden his age just caught up with him for good and that we won't see some more games that remind us more of the Paul Pierce of old (rather than the Paul Pierce who's just old).  They may not come as consistently as they once did, but I expect that he has some big games left in him. 
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: PhoSita on January 26, 2013, 12:53:24 AM
No single win can mean anything at all at this point.  The team lost the opportunity to "redeem" themselves a long time ago.  Follow a six game winning streak with a six game losing streak.  What a joke.

I don't get this at all.  The season's only halfway over.  We are two and a half games ahead of the ninth seed in the East. 

I guess, it's to each his own here;  Feel free to write the team off and give up on them if you like.  I envision some better play coming from this team (I shudder to imagine it getting any worse).  Then what?  It'll be too late for you?  They've wounded you too deeply for you to take them back?

We have a 43 game sample size.

It's safe to draw conclusions about this team.

They are mediocre.  Terrible offensively, and inconsistent defensively.  They have no inside game, and they don't have enough of an outside game to make up for it.

They are who they are now.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Kane3387 on January 26, 2013, 12:57:33 AM
If Miami comes out and takes a fat dump on us at home on ABC then I think Ainge tries to blow it up before some of the vets value decreases any further.

I hope we win bc I still want to see the core of this team in the playoffs. I still think its hard to beat this team four out of seven when healthy.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 26, 2013, 01:19:23 AM
No single win can mean anything at all at this point.  The team lost the opportunity to "redeem" themselves a long time ago.  Follow a six game winning streak with a six game losing streak.  What a joke.

This is exactly my point. The celtics have already proven they can beat good teams. What always happens after that tho? I'm just saying we're at the point now where no one win is huge. Do we need the win? Yeah. Will it mean we're back on track? Absolutely not. Even after winning 6 in a row the celtics have proven they are still not ready to be consistent. So why would one win against miami prove anything? I know I'm being negative but I'm just telling it like it is.

I'm sorry, but you're not really telling anything like it is.  It's a looooong season.  Ups and downs happen.  We look like crap right now, but it's certainly not too late for big wins just like it's not too late for bad losses.  Unfortunately, tonight's game squarely falls in the latter category.  Time to go see if we can't start to check off a few in the former.

No see, I'm basing what I'm saying off of what is actually happening. You're basing your thoughts on what you hope will happen. I never said it was TOO LATE. I just haven't seen a team that looks like they will turn into some championship team all of a sudden.

I see a team that is mediocre. Maybe above average on their best day. The only reason you feel the way you feel is because you're a C's fan and you can't for the life of you take off your homer hat to be realistic about this team even for a second.

There's no need for insults.  I've given my reasons plenty of times for why I think this team still has the capability to turn this season around. 

I feel that a lot of it hinges on Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett's ability to up their levels of play as the team heads into the playoffs.  I'm not saying that it's an absolute given that they will be able to considering their ages, but it does buoy my hopes that they've both been down this road before on numerous occasions.  Eventually, father time will catch up with them for good, but I think that there is a reasonable sliver of hope that they can keep the grim reaper of b-ball ability at bay for at least one more run.

You don't have to agree, but I see no need for your dogged insistence that everyone must see things from your point of view, or to insult those who don't.

Saying you can't take off your homer hat is not an insult just an observation. Not trying to insult anyone. Also the line that i put in bold is what i think is happening right now with pierce.

O.K., so you disagree with me.  Just keep in mind that we've heard the premature reports of the demises of Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett before, and in each of those instances, the reports were indeed premature. 

Paul Pierce was playing like an All-Star about a month ago (maybe a little less than that).  I find it hard to believe that all of a sudden his age just caught up with him for good and that we won't see some more games that remind us more of the Paul Pierce of old (rather than the Paul Pierce who's just old).  They may not come as consistently as they once did, but I expect that he has some big games left in him.

You misunderstood me, I'm not saying pierce will never have a good game again. I just don't think he will be consistent which is exactly what this team needs. One good game here and 5 bad games there will not cut it.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: kgainez on January 26, 2013, 01:26:56 AM
IF we win, we win by a lucky buzzer beater.

Or...we will win comfortably if we let the 2nd unit play more.
but that makes too much sense.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Q_FBE on January 26, 2013, 02:34:17 AM
I will bet both my mortgages for the Celtics..... ****
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: j804 on January 26, 2013, 02:44:51 AM
I might be alone but I feel confident about this game. I feel like Lee, Green and Sully can take advantage and outplay some of their guys. If KG and Pierce don't totally stink things up and Rondo gives us what he's been giving us we got this.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: PhoSita on January 26, 2013, 04:10:28 AM
I guess the point really is . . . who cares if they do beat Miami?  Does it change anything?

Miami loses to mediocre teams all the time.

The Thunder lost to the Wizards recently.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 26, 2013, 08:02:03 AM
I might be alone but I feel confident about this game. I feel like Lee, Green and Sully can take advantage and outplay some of their guys. If KG and Pierce don't totally stink things up and Rondo gives us what he's been giving us we got this.

Why do you say you might be alone, I started the thread :P
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 26, 2013, 08:03:40 AM
I guess the point really is . . . who cares if they do beat Miami?  Does it change anything?

Miami loses to mediocre teams all the time.

The Thunder lost to the Wizards recently.

I guess it's fine to overreact when the Celtics are the ones losing to mediocre teams.

Who cares if we beat Miami? Well, I'm sure you'll be the first one complaining about the Celtics if we lose to them... can't have it both ways.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: dark_lord on January 26, 2013, 08:05:41 AM
I guess the point really is . . . who cares if they do beat Miami?  Does it change anything?

i care.

aside from beating one of the best teams in the league, and defending champs, u have the ray angle.

so, i care, and im sure others care as well.  whether anything changes doesn't matter to me when it comes to this game.  a win is a win and thats a good thing.  its even better for the aforementioned reasons
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: slamtheking on January 26, 2013, 08:26:29 AM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.
I'll bet you a TP otherwise.

The only way they'll beat us is if LeBron has a ridiculous monster game... otherwise, we'll win.

No one else on that team will have a good game, I guarantee it. We'll out rebound them also.

Regardless of how we play, I really feel our team is tailored made to stop Miami.

Wade will struggle, Ray is will struggle, Bosh 70% sure he'll struggle.

Mike Miller is an  X factor to me though.

But you'll see, Miami is going down.
love the optimism but I don't see it happening.  agree to a TP for whoever's right?  I'll gladly pay up if you are.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: PhoSita on January 26, 2013, 08:49:32 AM
I guess the point really is . . . who cares if they do beat Miami?  Does it change anything?

Miami loses to mediocre teams all the time.

The Thunder lost to the Wizards recently.

I guess it's fine to overreact when the Celtics are the ones losing to mediocre teams.

Who cares if we beat Miami? Well, I'm sure you'll be the first one complaining about the Celtics if we lose to them... can't have it both ways.

No, at this point I'm really beyond complaining about individual games.  If they get totally demolished by the Heat, it will sting in the moment, sure.  And if they beat the Heat, it will be nice in the moment.

But as for meaning anything about the season or where this team is right now?  Doesn't make a darn of difference.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: BballTim on January 26, 2013, 09:51:11 AM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.
I'll bet you a TP otherwise.

The only way they'll beat us is if LeBron has a ridiculous monster game... otherwise, we'll win.

No one else on that team will have a good game, I guarantee it. We'll out rebound them also.

Regardless of how we play, I really feel our team is tailored made to stop Miami.

Wade will struggle, Ray is will struggle, Bosh 70% sure he'll struggle.

Mike Miller is an  X factor to me though.

But you'll see, Miami is going down.

 I admire the optimism. While I agree with your post, I'm more confident that the Celts are capable of beating the Heat than I am that they can perform well 2 days after a double overtime game.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 26, 2013, 10:03:12 AM
I guess the point really is . . . who cares if they do beat Miami?  Does it change anything?

Miami loses to mediocre teams all the time.

The Thunder lost to the Wizards recently.

I guess it's fine to overreact when the Celtics are the ones losing to mediocre teams.

Who cares if we beat Miami? Well, I'm sure you'll be the first one complaining about the Celtics if we lose to them... can't have it both ways.

Actually you can have it both ways. The celtics have put themselves in a position where every loss is looked at closely and every win is just "Show me more". A loss is alot more impactful than a win right now.

That doesn't mean don't win the game it just means they will have ALOT more to prove regardless of it they win and if they lose its just further proving everybody's belief that this team is just not good enough to do anything. *Or maybe the coach isn't good enough, you choose*.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Celtics18 on January 26, 2013, 11:37:39 AM
I guess the point really is . . . who cares if they do beat Miami?  Does it change anything?

Miami loses to mediocre teams all the time.

The Thunder lost to the Wizards recently.

I guess it's fine to overreact when the Celtics are the ones losing to mediocre teams.

Who cares if we beat Miami? Well, I'm sure you'll be the first one complaining about the Celtics if we lose to them... can't have it both ways.

Actually you can have it both ways. The celtics have put themselves in a position where every loss is looked at closely and every win is just "Show me more". A loss is alot more impactful than a win right now.

That doesn't mean don't win the game it just means they will have ALOT more to prove regardless of it they win and if they lose its just further proving everybody's belief that this team is just not good enough to do anything. *Or maybe the coach isn't good enough, you choose*.

Sure, they'll have more to prove than just this one game, but that doesn't mean this game doesn't matter.  The team is currently in the eighth seed and entering a stretch of the season where every game starts to matter.  Wins are needed right now, whether it's against the Heat or the Bobcats.  The fact that this game is against the defending champions and the favorites to win it again means that it matters a little more, though.  If the team can pull off a win on Sunday, it could give them a much needed boost of confidence that could very well help stem the bleeding of this six game losing streak. 

It may not matter much to you or PhoSita, but I can pretty much guarantee that it matters to the members of the Boston Celtics. 

 
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: LB3533 on January 26, 2013, 12:33:11 PM
I think if our team is "on" it will be a fun and classic type game.

For us to win though, we have to injure Wade and Bosh and have Lebron shoot horribly, which he has done exactly once this season.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 26, 2013, 02:04:31 PM
I guess the point really is . . . who cares if they do beat Miami?  Does it change anything?

Miami loses to mediocre teams all the time.

The Thunder lost to the Wizards recently.

I guess it's fine to overreact when the Celtics are the ones losing to mediocre teams.

Who cares if we beat Miami? Well, I'm sure you'll be the first one complaining about the Celtics if we lose to them... can't have it both ways.

Actually you can have it both ways. The celtics have put themselves in a position where every loss is looked at closely and every win is just "Show me more". A loss is alot more impactful than a win right now.

That doesn't mean don't win the game it just means they will have ALOT more to prove regardless of it they win and if they lose its just further proving everybody's belief that this team is just not good enough to do anything. *Or maybe the coach isn't good enough, you choose*.

Sure, they'll have more to prove than just this one game, but that doesn't mean this game doesn't matter.  The team is currently in the eighth seed and entering a stretch of the season where every game starts to matter.  Wins are needed right now, whether it's against the Heat or the Bobcats.  The fact that this game is against the defending champions and the favorites to win it again means that it matters a little more, though.  If the team can pull off a win on Sunday, it could give them a much needed boost of confidence that could very well help stem the bleeding of this six game losing streak. 

It may not matter much to you or PhoSita, but I can pretty much guarantee that it matters to the members of the Boston Celtics.

Yeah, I just don't buy it. We've dominated miami in the regular season before just to lose to them in the playoffs. That was back when our team was actually somewhat consistent. The whole confidence thing i don't buy that either.

I don't think a win sunday means are team is suddenly going to start being consistent. I don't think this team with this coach is doing anything this year. I don't think they're good enough. I want us to beat miami sunday but if we do I'm not naive enough to make a huge deal out of it.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 26, 2013, 02:07:54 PM
I guess the point really is . . . who cares if they do beat Miami?  Does it change anything?

Miami loses to mediocre teams all the time.

The Thunder lost to the Wizards recently.

I guess it's fine to overreact when the Celtics are the ones losing to mediocre teams.

Who cares if we beat Miami? Well, I'm sure you'll be the first one complaining about the Celtics if we lose to them... can't have it both ways.

Actually you can have it both ways. The celtics have put themselves in a position where every loss is looked at closely and every win is just "Show me more". A loss is alot more impactful than a win right now.

That doesn't mean don't win the game it just means they will have ALOT more to prove regardless of it they win and if they lose its just further proving everybody's belief that this team is just not good enough to do anything. *Or maybe the coach isn't good enough, you choose*.

Sure, they'll have more to prove than just this one game, but that doesn't mean this game doesn't matter.  The team is currently in the eighth seed and entering a stretch of the season where every game starts to matter.  Wins are needed right now, whether it's against the Heat or the Bobcats.  The fact that this game is against the defending champions and the favorites to win it again means that it matters a little more, though.  If the team can pull off a win on Sunday, it could give them a much needed boost of confidence that could very well help stem the bleeding of this six game losing streak. 

It may not matter much to you or PhoSita, but I can pretty much guarantee that it matters to the members of the Boston Celtics.

Yeah, I just don't buy it. We've dominated miami in the regular season before just to lose to them in the playoffs. That was back when our team was actually somewhat consistent. The whole confidence thing i don't buy that either.

I don't think a win sunday means are team is suddenly going to start being consistent. I don't think this team with this coach is doing anything this year. I don't think they're good enough. I want us to beat miami sunday but if we do I'm not naive enough to make a huge deal out of it.

Yeah, and we took those eventual champions to 7 games, while one of our biggest weapon against them, Bradley, didn't play because of injuries, and Ray was playing on a wheelchair.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Celtics18 on January 26, 2013, 03:29:36 PM
I guess the point really is . . . who cares if they do beat Miami?  Does it change anything?

Miami loses to mediocre teams all the time.

The Thunder lost to the Wizards recently.

I guess it's fine to overreact when the Celtics are the ones losing to mediocre teams.

Who cares if we beat Miami? Well, I'm sure you'll be the first one complaining about the Celtics if we lose to them... can't have it both ways.

Actually you can have it both ways. The celtics have put themselves in a position where every loss is looked at closely and every win is just "Show me more". A loss is alot more impactful than a win right now.

That doesn't mean don't win the game it just means they will have ALOT more to prove regardless of it they win and if they lose its just further proving everybody's belief that this team is just not good enough to do anything. *Or maybe the coach isn't good enough, you choose*.

Sure, they'll have more to prove than just this one game, but that doesn't mean this game doesn't matter.  The team is currently in the eighth seed and entering a stretch of the season where every game starts to matter.  Wins are needed right now, whether it's against the Heat or the Bobcats.  The fact that this game is against the defending champions and the favorites to win it again means that it matters a little more, though.  If the team can pull off a win on Sunday, it could give them a much needed boost of confidence that could very well help stem the bleeding of this six game losing streak. 

It may not matter much to you or PhoSita, but I can pretty much guarantee that it matters to the members of the Boston Celtics.

Yeah, I just don't buy it. We've dominated miami in the regular season before just to lose to them in the playoffs. That was back when our team was actually somewhat consistent. The whole confidence thing i don't buy that either.

I don't think a win sunday means are team is suddenly going to start being consistent. I don't think this team with this coach is doing anything this year. I don't think they're good enough. I want us to beat miami sunday but if we do I'm not naive enough to make a huge deal out of it.

I don't think a win on Sunday would necessarily mean the team is suddenly going to start being consistent either.  The good news is that we've still got just under forty games left to find that consistency. 

The talent is there.  I think that would be hard to deny.  Based on past experience, I trust our coach and our veterans to find a rhythm that works by the time the playoffs roll around.

And, by the way, our team wasn't all that consistent last year until the second half of the season.  I think it's a legitimate position to expect a similar turnaround this year.  Yes, Garnett and Pierce are a year older, and they haven't looked too great lately, but, on the other hand, they don't look completely washed up to me either.  To me, Pierce's problems look to be as much in his head as in his legs.  That's a good sign.  He can get his head right.

As to Doc's coaching, my position on him is that he's patient to the point where it can get frustrating to fans who clearly don't share his patience.  His patience gets seen for stubbornness.  After every regular season loss, the fans want to change everything.  That's not how it works.  Luckily, Doc knows that.  He knows that building a contender is a difficult, arduous process.  And, he knows that the results aren't necessarily going to be there in January, and that it's more important that they are there in May and June. 

We've all seen what we have with this team.  On the one hand, we have a youthful, defensive ball pressure, uptempo team with a great open floor point guard.  On the other hand, we have a grind it out, half court, defensive minded, possession based team led by two aging hall of fame caliber veterans.  Rondo straddles both identities. 

It's a conundrum, but one that I think can be solved.  It's not going to happen overnight (and apparently not even through 43 games).  I look forward to when it does click, though.  I think it's a mix that could end up being really potent.  We've seen glimpses of it.  We just haven't seen very much consistency with it to date.  We'll see.

Maybe I'm just a blind homer.   
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 26, 2013, 03:34:22 PM
I guess the point really is . . . who cares if they do beat Miami?  Does it change anything?

Miami loses to mediocre teams all the time.

The Thunder lost to the Wizards recently.

I guess it's fine to overreact when the Celtics are the ones losing to mediocre teams.

Who cares if we beat Miami? Well, I'm sure you'll be the first one complaining about the Celtics if we lose to them... can't have it both ways.

Actually you can have it both ways. The celtics have put themselves in a position where every loss is looked at closely and every win is just "Show me more". A loss is alot more impactful than a win right now.

That doesn't mean don't win the game it just means they will have ALOT more to prove regardless of it they win and if they lose its just further proving everybody's belief that this team is just not good enough to do anything. *Or maybe the coach isn't good enough, you choose*.

Sure, they'll have more to prove than just this one game, but that doesn't mean this game doesn't matter.  The team is currently in the eighth seed and entering a stretch of the season where every game starts to matter.  Wins are needed right now, whether it's against the Heat or the Bobcats.  The fact that this game is against the defending champions and the favorites to win it again means that it matters a little more, though.  If the team can pull off a win on Sunday, it could give them a much needed boost of confidence that could very well help stem the bleeding of this six game losing streak. 

It may not matter much to you or PhoSita, but I can pretty much guarantee that it matters to the members of the Boston Celtics.

Yeah, I just don't buy it. We've dominated miami in the regular season before just to lose to them in the playoffs. That was back when our team was actually somewhat consistent. The whole confidence thing i don't buy that either.

I don't think a win sunday means are team is suddenly going to start being consistent. I don't think this team with this coach is doing anything this year. I don't think they're good enough. I want us to beat miami sunday but if we do I'm not naive enough to make a huge deal out of it.

Yeah, and we took those eventual champions to 7 games, while one of our biggest weapon against them, Bradley, didn't play because of injuries, and Ray was playing on a wheelchair.

Yeah, completely leave out the fact miami was missing arguably their second best player on the team for most of the series and wade was playing on a bad knee, that's cool. The hawks took us to 7 in 08 and so did cleveland, so what? What does that mean? Absolutely nothing. It means you lost the series, end of story.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Celtics18 on January 26, 2013, 03:38:54 PM
I guess the point really is . . . who cares if they do beat Miami?  Does it change anything?

Miami loses to mediocre teams all the time.

The Thunder lost to the Wizards recently.

I guess it's fine to overreact when the Celtics are the ones losing to mediocre teams.

Who cares if we beat Miami? Well, I'm sure you'll be the first one complaining about the Celtics if we lose to them... can't have it both ways.

Actually you can have it both ways. The celtics have put themselves in a position where every loss is looked at closely and every win is just "Show me more". A loss is alot more impactful than a win right now.

That doesn't mean don't win the game it just means they will have ALOT more to prove regardless of it they win and if they lose its just further proving everybody's belief that this team is just not good enough to do anything. *Or maybe the coach isn't good enough, you choose*.

Sure, they'll have more to prove than just this one game, but that doesn't mean this game doesn't matter.  The team is currently in the eighth seed and entering a stretch of the season where every game starts to matter.  Wins are needed right now, whether it's against the Heat or the Bobcats.  The fact that this game is against the defending champions and the favorites to win it again means that it matters a little more, though.  If the team can pull off a win on Sunday, it could give them a much needed boost of confidence that could very well help stem the bleeding of this six game losing streak. 

It may not matter much to you or PhoSita, but I can pretty much guarantee that it matters to the members of the Boston Celtics.

Yeah, I just don't buy it. We've dominated miami in the regular season before just to lose to them in the playoffs. That was back when our team was actually somewhat consistent. The whole confidence thing i don't buy that either.

I don't think a win sunday means are team is suddenly going to start being consistent. I don't think this team with this coach is doing anything this year. I don't think they're good enough. I want us to beat miami sunday but if we do I'm not naive enough to make a huge deal out of it.

Yeah, and we took those eventual champions to 7 games, while one of our biggest weapon against them, Bradley, didn't play because of injuries, and Ray was playing on a wheelchair.

Yeah, completely leave out the fact miami was missing arguably their second best player on the team for most of the series and wade was playing on a bad knee, that's cool. The hawks took us to 7 in 08 and so did cleveland, so what? What does that mean? Absolutely nothing. It means you lost the series, end of story.

Yes, we lost the series. End of story.  But, we took the NBA champions to a seventh game in the Eastern Conference Finals after being completely counted out by most fans and pundits.  I count that as a pretty successful season. 
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 26, 2013, 03:39:24 PM
I guess the point really is . . . who cares if they do beat Miami?  Does it change anything?

Miami loses to mediocre teams all the time.

The Thunder lost to the Wizards recently.

I guess it's fine to overreact when the Celtics are the ones losing to mediocre teams.

Who cares if we beat Miami? Well, I'm sure you'll be the first one complaining about the Celtics if we lose to them... can't have it both ways.

Actually you can have it both ways. The celtics have put themselves in a position where every loss is looked at closely and every win is just "Show me more". A loss is alot more impactful than a win right now.

That doesn't mean don't win the game it just means they will have ALOT more to prove regardless of it they win and if they lose its just further proving everybody's belief that this team is just not good enough to do anything. *Or maybe the coach isn't good enough, you choose*.

Sure, they'll have more to prove than just this one game, but that doesn't mean this game doesn't matter.  The team is currently in the eighth seed and entering a stretch of the season where every game starts to matter.  Wins are needed right now, whether it's against the Heat or the Bobcats.  The fact that this game is against the defending champions and the favorites to win it again means that it matters a little more, though.  If the team can pull off a win on Sunday, it could give them a much needed boost of confidence that could very well help stem the bleeding of this six game losing streak. 

It may not matter much to you or PhoSita, but I can pretty much guarantee that it matters to the members of the Boston Celtics.

Yeah, I just don't buy it. We've dominated miami in the regular season before just to lose to them in the playoffs. That was back when our team was actually somewhat consistent. The whole confidence thing i don't buy that either.

I don't think a win sunday means are team is suddenly going to start being consistent. I don't think this team with this coach is doing anything this year. I don't think they're good enough. I want us to beat miami sunday but if we do I'm not naive enough to make a huge deal out of it.

I don't think a win on Sunday would necessarily mean the team is suddenly going to start being consistent either.  The good news is that we've still got just under forty games left to find that consistency. 

The talent is there.  I think that would be hard to deny.  Based on past experience, I trust our coach and our veterans to find a rhythm that works by the time the playoffs roll around.

And, by the way, our team wasn't all that consistent last year until the second half of the season.  I think it's a legitimate position to expect a similar turnaround this year.  Yes, Garnett and Pierce are a year older, and they haven't looked too great lately, but, on the other hand, they don't look completely washed up to me either.  To me, Pierce's problems look to be as much in his head as in his legs.  That's a good sign.  He can get his head right.

As to Doc's coaching, my position on him is that he's patient to the point where it can get frustrating to fans who clearly don't share his patience.  His patience gets seen for stubbornness.  After every regular season loss, the fans want to change everything.  That's not how it works.  Luckily, Doc knows that.  He knows that building a contender is a difficult, arduous process.  And, he knows that the results aren't necessarily going to be there in January, and that it's more important that they are there in May and June. 

We've all seen what we have with this team.  On the one hand, we have a youthful, defensive ball pressure, uptempo team with a great open floor point guard.  On the other hand, we have a grind it out, half court, defensive minded, possession based team led by two aging hall of fame caliber veterans.  Rondo straddles both identities. 

It's a conundrum, but one that I think can be solved.  It's not going to happen overnight (and apparently not even through 43 games).  I look forward to when it does click, though.  I think it's a mix that could end up being really potent.  We've seen glimpses of it.  We just haven't seen very much consistency with it to date.  We'll see.

Maybe I'm just a blind homer.
;D
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Celtics18 on January 26, 2013, 03:50:02 PM
I guess the point really is . . . who cares if they do beat Miami?  Does it change anything?

Miami loses to mediocre teams all the time.

The Thunder lost to the Wizards recently.

I guess it's fine to overreact when the Celtics are the ones losing to mediocre teams.

Who cares if we beat Miami? Well, I'm sure you'll be the first one complaining about the Celtics if we lose to them... can't have it both ways.

Actually you can have it both ways. The celtics have put themselves in a position where every loss is looked at closely and every win is just "Show me more". A loss is alot more impactful than a win right now.

That doesn't mean don't win the game it just means they will have ALOT more to prove regardless of it they win and if they lose its just further proving everybody's belief that this team is just not good enough to do anything. *Or maybe the coach isn't good enough, you choose*.

Sure, they'll have more to prove than just this one game, but that doesn't mean this game doesn't matter.  The team is currently in the eighth seed and entering a stretch of the season where every game starts to matter.  Wins are needed right now, whether it's against the Heat or the Bobcats.  The fact that this game is against the defending champions and the favorites to win it again means that it matters a little more, though.  If the team can pull off a win on Sunday, it could give them a much needed boost of confidence that could very well help stem the bleeding of this six game losing streak. 

It may not matter much to you or PhoSita, but I can pretty much guarantee that it matters to the members of the Boston Celtics.

Yeah, I just don't buy it. We've dominated miami in the regular season before just to lose to them in the playoffs. That was back when our team was actually somewhat consistent. The whole confidence thing i don't buy that either.

I don't think a win sunday means are team is suddenly going to start being consistent. I don't think this team with this coach is doing anything this year. I don't think they're good enough. I want us to beat miami sunday but if we do I'm not naive enough to make a huge deal out of it.

I don't think a win on Sunday would necessarily mean the team is suddenly going to start being consistent either.  The good news is that we've still got just under forty games left to find that consistency. 

The talent is there.  I think that would be hard to deny.  Based on past experience, I trust our coach and our veterans to find a rhythm that works by the time the playoffs roll around.

And, by the way, our team wasn't all that consistent last year until the second half of the season.  I think it's a legitimate position to expect a similar turnaround this year.  Yes, Garnett and Pierce are a year older, and they haven't looked too great lately, but, on the other hand, they don't look completely washed up to me either.  To me, Pierce's problems look to be as much in his head as in his legs.  That's a good sign.  He can get his head right.

As to Doc's coaching, my position on him is that he's patient to the point where it can get frustrating to fans who clearly don't share his patience.  His patience gets seen for stubbornness.  After every regular season loss, the fans want to change everything.  That's not how it works.  Luckily, Doc knows that.  He knows that building a contender is a difficult, arduous process.  And, he knows that the results aren't necessarily going to be there in January, and that it's more important that they are there in May and June. 

We've all seen what we have with this team.  On the one hand, we have a youthful, defensive ball pressure, uptempo team with a great open floor point guard.  On the other hand, we have a grind it out, half court, defensive minded, possession based team led by two aging hall of fame caliber veterans.  Rondo straddles both identities. 

It's a conundrum, but one that I think can be solved.  It's not going to happen overnight (and apparently not even through 43 games).  I look forward to when it does click, though.  I think it's a mix that could end up being really potent.  We've seen glimpses of it.  We just haven't seen very much consistency with it to date.  We'll see.

Maybe I'm just a blind homer.
;D

Very cute. 

I'm glad to see you come up with some solid arguments for your position.   
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 26, 2013, 04:01:54 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if we won.  At this point, nothing would surprise me about this team.  We've played 43 games, guys.  This team is what it is.

I don't really care what we do until we make a trade.  I'll watch the games, but I won't expect to see any significant improvement.  I guess that's what most disappointing about this team: usually, teams get better as the seasons progresses, and then take it up a notch in the playoffs.  We've been the exact same team since we lost to Miami on October 30, sans that stretch when Bradley came back.

In the past, this team has gotten by just coasting.  This year, we can't afford to do that.

Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 26, 2013, 04:13:46 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if we won.  At this point, nothing would surprise me about this team.  We've played 43 games, guys.  This team is what it is.

I don't really care what we do until we make a trade.  I'll watch the games, but I won't expect to see any significant improvement.  I guess that's what most disappointing about this team: usually, teams get better as the seasons progresses, and then take it up a notch in the playoffs.  We've been the exact same team since we lost to Miami on October 30, sans that stretch when Bradley came back.

In the past, this team has gotten by just coasting.  This year, we can't afford to do that.

This is basically where i am right now. I'm 100 percent convinced this team is not good enough to win a championship. Are they better than their record? I think so.

If doc was as good as the hype id think we'd be doing at least a little better right now. Still, in order for me to get really excited again i need danny to make some moves and give us a realistic shot at a title instead of a pipe dream.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: aporel#18 on January 26, 2013, 04:45:52 PM
I hope you're right... just to avoid LeTroll face or "that guy" and the 3 Stooges talking about how big is beating the Celtics at the Garden.

That said, I don't care about Regular Season anymore. Enjoy when they play D, but if they don't care, why would we?

Beat the cHeat!
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: crownontherocks on January 26, 2013, 04:47:24 PM
Going to the game tomorrow. We need this win 
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: action781 on January 26, 2013, 04:47:34 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

If my sportsbook account was still open i would bet big $$$$$$$$$$$ on the heat.

The Heat has actually been playing poorly. Definitely not as poorly as us, but poorly nevertheless. I too think the C's win this one.

have the heat lost 6 in a row? Did they just blow a 27 point lead?

And that means what exactly? Does that matter when the game is actually played? sDon't know about you, but I actually live in Miami and see the majority of Heat games. Their defense is awful and they are dead last in rebounding. They are not playing like the juggernaut a lot of people make them out to be. Especially on the road.

And the celtics are the 2nd worse rebounding team.  And NYK is the 6th worst.  And the Lakers and TWolves are the 3rd and 5th best.  I don't think rebounding is the appropriate measuring stick for a team's success.

I do agree with you that I think the celtics will win tomorrow though  ;D
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Tr1boy on January 26, 2013, 05:15:23 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

There is nothing to convince you. Just look at our 6 game losing streak.

Miami is excellent at closing out games bc they have the two best in the league who can do it.

Celts will hang in there until the 4th and wheels will come off imo.

Doc has to change his gameplan for the love of god and stop giving iso sitatuions to pierce late in the game. Stress to the guys to make the extra pass for the open shot. You have to trust. When we beat the knicks about 10 games ago, without Rondo, this was the way we played. It was amazing basketball.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: kgainez on January 26, 2013, 05:23:46 PM
here's how the game goes down to me:

PP starts with maybe our first 8 points then goes cold after that.

Bench comes in...puts us up 5...mainly thanks to JG defense and Lee hustle.

AB will throw Wade off his game.

No one is stopping Ray. He's gon be happy to be 'home' -- best game of his year.

Fourth quarter...we're up maybe 2...Then we ride PP all the way and lose by 15.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 26, 2013, 05:30:51 PM
here's how the game goes down to me:

PP starts with maybe our first 8 points then goes cold after that.

Bench comes in...puts us up 5...mainly thanks to JG defense and Lee hustle.

AB will throw Wade off his game.

No one is stopping Ray. He's gon be happy to be 'home' -- best game of his year.

Fourth quarter...we're up maybe 2...Then we ride PP all the way and lose by 15.

Lol, the sad part about what you said is i could totally see most of that happening.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 27, 2013, 01:02:27 PM
Rondo not playing, so that changes things a bit... but still comfortable.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: syn2k12 on January 27, 2013, 03:33:14 PM
whoever said this game meant nothing, i will say this nicely, shh. that garden was rocking today!
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: OsirusCeltics on January 27, 2013, 04:06:05 PM
BudweiserCeltic

You called it!!!!


TP
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 27, 2013, 04:07:01 PM
OK, we didn't win comfortably. But loved how we played and... well, we freaking won.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: bfrombleacher on January 27, 2013, 04:07:22 PM
tp
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: manl_lui on January 27, 2013, 04:07:31 PM
good call, a million TPs for you!
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Who on January 27, 2013, 04:08:21 PM
good call, a million TPs for you!
Definitely
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 27, 2013, 04:08:59 PM
Another TP for you OP.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: PhoSita on January 27, 2013, 04:09:50 PM
TP dude.  You deserve it.

Bet this didn't play out quite as you expected (in light of everything that happened at the same time off the court), but your optimism was well rewarded.

I was wrong, too.  Given what happened with Rondo, at least in the moment, this game does mean something.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 27, 2013, 04:10:26 PM
good call, a million TPs for you!
Definitely

Makes it a bit harder without Rondo, but I love how we match-up against the Heat.

The only thing I don't like with our current rotation, is that starting Lee with Bradley means that we're going through stretches where we're on the floor without either of them, and the my vision to beat the Heat consistently in a series requires that either of them is on the floor during the whole game, unless we play big with Pierce and Green at the 2/3.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Celtics18 on January 27, 2013, 04:17:24 PM
good call, a million TPs for you!
Definitely

TP, BudweiserCeltic.  Here's another one of your million TPs.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: CantBeRight on January 27, 2013, 04:34:37 PM
Good win guys TP for all!
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 27, 2013, 04:37:41 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

you were right. i was wrong. and i very glad for it. tp for you.  :)
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: gar on January 27, 2013, 04:38:08 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

Comfortably??? Tp anyway
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Eddie20 on January 27, 2013, 04:40:24 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

If my sportsbook account was still open i would bet big $$$$$$$$$$$ on the heat.

The Heat has actually been playing poorly. Definitely not as poorly as us, but poorly nevertheless. I too think the C's win this one.

have the heat lost 6 in a row? Did they just blow a 27 point lead?

And that means what exactly? Does that matter when the game is actually played? sDon't know about you, but I actually live in Miami and see the majority of Heat games. Their defense is awful and they are dead last in rebounding. They are not playing like the juggernaut a lot of people make them out to be. Especially on the road.


I love saying "I told ya so" when it comes to a C's victory!
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on January 27, 2013, 04:41:28 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

Comfortably??? Tp anyway

Was before we knew RR was out...
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: vinnie on January 27, 2013, 04:42:04 PM
Amazing prediction.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: slamtheking on January 28, 2013, 10:20:32 AM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.
I'll bet you a TP otherwise.

The only way they'll beat us is if LeBron has a ridiculous monster game... otherwise, we'll win.

No one else on that team will have a good game, I guarantee it. We'll out rebound them also.

Regardless of how we play, I really feel our team is tailored made to stop Miami.

Wade will struggle, Ray is will struggle, Bosh 70% sure he'll struggle.

Mike Miller is an  X factor to me though.

But you'll see, Miami is going down.
love the optimism but I don't see it happening.  agree to a TP for whoever's right?  I'll gladly pay up if you are.
well BW, it wasn't a comfortable margin but I'll gladly toss you a TP for the win even though you didn't respond to my bet offer
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Bankshot on January 28, 2013, 10:27:10 AM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

TP to you sir!

Any chance I can get you to predict a miracle Celtic season where they win the championship against all odds? ;D
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 28, 2013, 12:32:47 PM
There, I said it. You won't convince me otherwise, and we're going to win comfortably.

TP to you sir!

Any chance I can get you to predict a miracle Celtic season where they win the championship against all odds? ;D

Nope, but I'll guarantee we'll be good in the playoffs... that's as far as I can go. We've done more with less, and still considered them underachieving, would be completely disappointed if this team doesn't do a good showing in the playoffs, it would only mean we didn't play to our capabilities.
Title: Re: I guarantee a win against Miami
Post by: Q_FBE on January 28, 2013, 12:36:55 PM
I will bet both my mortgages for the Celtics..... ****

Hmmmmm maybe I will continue to bet both my mortgages for Celtics losses  ;D