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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: krook on January 25, 2013, 09:15:01 AM
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Trade Brandon Bass For Timofey Mozgov + Anthony Randolph
Add Collins Or Picks Or Cash
Let Kevin Garnett Rest For A Couple Of Days
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Sign A Small Forward Any Of These Names
Shawne Williams, 6’9’, (soon to be) 27 yrs old
Shelden Williams, 6’9’, 29 yrs old
Josh Childress, 6’8", (soon to be) 30 yrs old
DJ White, 6’9’, 26 yrs old
James Mays, 6’9’, (soon to be) 27 yrs old
Rick Jackson, 6’9’, (soon to be) 24 yrs old
Tyler Wilkerson, 6’8’, 25 yrs old
Luke Harangody (former Celtic), 6’8’, 25 yrs old
Chris Wright (Maine), 6’8’, 24 yrs old
DaJuan Summers (Maine), 6’8’, 25 yrs old
Arinze Onuaku, 6’9’, 25 yrs old
Tracy McGrady, 6’8", (soon to be) 34 yrs old
Kris Joseph
Jamario Moon
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(Let Pierce Rest)
Starters:
Point Guard - Rondo
Shooting Guard - Bradley
Small Forward - Green
Power Forward - Sully (Let KG Rest)
Center - Mozgov (7'1 Height)
Reserves/Back-Ups:
Point Guard - Terry
Shooting Guards - Barbosa/Lee
Small Forward - Any Sign Free Agents (Small Forward) / Let Paul Pierce (Rest)
Power Forward - Wilcox (6'10 Height)
Center - Randolph (6'11 height)
Center Back-Up - Collins (Bench Or Give Him 2 or 3 Minutes)
Center - Fab Melo For Rotation (Let's Try Him)
Good? Or Bad?
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I Don't Really Know So I Want All You Opinions
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Hes not the answer. But depending on the trade Id look into him.
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Nope. Mozgov is a project.
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I voted no, but I would say he's potentially part of the answer. One of our main needs is a big, tall center who can help protect the rim, and he can do that.
I'm afraid, though, that we have other needs too.
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If you could trade Terry for Mozgov or Dalembert (neither of which is getting regular minutes for their current team), I'd be fine with that.
Not going to turn this team into a contender or anything, but it'd make some difference.
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If you could trade Terry for Mozgov or Dalembert (neither of which is getting regular minutes for their current team), I'd be fine with that.
Not going to turn this team into a contender or anything, but it'd make some difference.
why terry not bass, bass is ok for me to go
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He could help. A mobile seven footer willing to bang bodies and take on challenges which he displayed in the Olympics.
But not the answer to the teams' overall problems.
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Who do we have to give up?
Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.
Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.
He'll help tremendously.
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Who do we have to give up?
Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.
Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.
He'll help tremendously.
Bass is a shooter.
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Who do we have to give up?
Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.
Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.
He'll help tremendously.
Bass is a shooter.
Bass is not a shooter.
He can't hit a shot outside of 15 feet to save his life, and he's pretty much useless inside 12 feet as well.
The only area where he shoots effective in between 12 - 15 feet, and even there he's shooting a mediocre 44% this season last I checked.
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Since There's A Lot Of Rumors Around NBA Againt's Boston Celtics
A Change Of Scenery Would Really Happen Until Trade Deadline
But As For Me I Believe In This Celtics Team Players
But Some Of Them Really Sucks This Years Or It's The Coach System On How To Used Them
Brandon Bass Is Disappointed For Not Playing More Minutes
It All Says Here
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonceltics&id=4701612&wjb
Bass Is A Good Floor Spacer And A Jump Shooter
And The Teams That Really Needs A PF
Are A Teams Like Houston Rockets And Denver Nuggets
But Houston Has Nothing For Us To Give
For Me I Believed This Players Would Really Help Us In Doc Rivers System
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=at5w7vp
Or
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c2jdfvn
Or
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=be8j2ef
Any Of Those 3 Trade Than I Think Could Possible Happen
As For The Other Players
I'm OK With Terry If He And Mozgov Can Work Out A Pick n' Roll (Hope It Works)
Since Barbosa Ask For Released Maybe He Will Be Traded
Collins Might Just Be A Filler For Nuggets Or I'll Change Him For Wilcox
Fab Melo (I'd Still Want To See What He Can Really Bring In Such A Defensive Team Celtics)
Lee Hustles And Defends Well (Bradley + Lee Together On Court)
Without KG This Team Is Nothing
Sully Is A Promising Player For Me
Pierce Is The Heart Is This Team (Blood Sweat And Tears)
You Cannot Find A Point Guard Who Can Rebounds Assist And Score
(Without Rondo's Rebounds This Team Is Nothing)
Green Came From A Heart Surgery, I Know This Guy Can Score 20+ Give Him The Minutes
Wilcox Is A Good Offensive Center For A Quick Line-Ups
I Love Kris Joseph (Maybe Sign Another Small Forward For Back-UP In Case Of Injury)
Quick Line-Ups Offense
Bradley
Barbosa
Lee
Sullinger
Wilcox
Big Man Line-Ups
Lee
Pierce
Green
KG
Center
3 Point Shooter Line-Up
Terry
Bradley
Lee
Pierce
Center (Just For Rebounds And Floor Spacing)
Small Starting Line-Ups
Rondo
Bradley
Lee
Sully
Center
And For Me, A Major Trade Would Make This Team More Worst
So I Made A Trade That Can Get Us A Good Player With Experienced
AND 100 TIMES BETTER THAN JASON COLLINS
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Do you have a relationship with your space bar? Because you two look madly in love.
Ontopic:
I like all three trades.
Only with the trade involved Wilson Chandler we have to lose a SG in another trade.
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Timofey Mizgov Can Really Score And Rebounds For Me
Also Good In Shot Blocking And Pick n' Rolls
A 7'1 Center Wouldn't Be Bad And 100 Times Better Than Collins
Since I Don't See A Major Trades Coming
Trading For Him Is OK For Me
Only Takes Around 3$ Million And Will Be RFA Next Year
Since Brandon Bass Is The Player That Has To Go
I Think Denver Nuggets Could Used Him As A Back-Up
And A Good Floor Spacer
The Salaries Don't Match So
Adding One Player From Them Makes It
I Don't Know If I Include Jason Collins Or What
As I've Said 100 Times Better Than Collins Not A Bad Pick-Up
Feel Free To Comment
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5605/28544684.jpg)
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I'd Take Him He Would Be A Good Pick-Up
Terry And Mozgov Pick n' Roll
Shot Blocks
7 or 9 or 10 or 11 Rebounds Per Game
+ Playing With Doc Rivers System
+Playing With Defensive Player Kevin Garnett
He Can Play 35+ Minutes Which Is Not Bad For The Team
I'd Pick Him Anytime Anyday
More Realistic Trade That Can Happen
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Dude.
Why.
Do You Type.
This.
Way.
(I would be just fine with Mozgov as the backup center; I think I'd keep Sully and KG as the starters; depends what we have to give up, though)
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3.5 RPG a game is nothing to write home about...
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3.5 RPG a game is nothing to write home about...
That's 3.5 rebounds in like 11 minutes.
Per 36 his numbers are 9.9 pts and 10.5 rebounds. Pretty decent.
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No. He would come off the bench. And we don't even need him now
Sully and Kg are perfect for starting. You could just bring up Melo to play as a backup
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No. He would come off the bench. And we don't even need him now
Sully and Kg are perfect for starting. You could just bring up Melo to play as a backup
Still don't think Melo is ready for anything more than a 5-10 minutes a night role.
Mozgov could still be ueful for the team. And if he could be retained for close to the same money he makes now then he'd be a solid pickup.
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Where is the "ok option" cause I choose that.
If it was our last option and we could trade Bass + Filler for him then heck yeah.
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depends what we're giving up to get him. he's an ok option as a backup center. I'm not giving up the farm for a backup center.
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Dude.
Why.
Do You Type.
This.
Way.
(I would be just fine with Mozgov as the backup center; I think I'd keep Sully and KG as the starters; depends what we have to give up, though)
lol that is a good pick-up and why would you put him as back-up center,
so stick with collins? and wilcox?
if ever miami gets him, would you put kg on him?
hell no!
that is the most realistic and 100 times more useful than collins
and if you talking on cousins or smith or someone
PIPE DREAM KID
this guys can get 10+ rebounds depends on minutes
+ he can score 15+ or 13+
how about collins?
2 rebounds 2 point in just 20+ minutes?
does collins rebounds?
is fab melo NBA READY?
look brooklyn has a good rotation at #4 and #5
putting kg at center is nothing
bulls got noah and boozer
kg must be on boozer not noah
and that 7'1 tyson chandler
good to see sully at starting pf
but the problem is he gets in early foul trouble
that is the problem
brandon bass? he is not the same guy he used to be
if denver dont have koufos?
mozgov will be there starting center
i'd take that guy anytime any day
watch Olympics game
mozgov is really good and has the nba experienced
than fab melo
kg cant do it alone kid
specially come playoffs
NO TO JASON COLLINS
if i pick this guy, i put him as starting center
that is the reason we trade for him, not to sit him on the bench, don't compare him to collins
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Mozgov is trash
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Dude.
Why.
Do You Type.
This.
Way.
(I would be just fine with Mozgov as the backup center; I think I'd keep Sully and KG as the starters; depends what we have to give up, though)
lol that is a good pick-up and why would you put him as back-up center,
so stick with collins? and wilcox?
if ever miami gets him, would you put kg on him?
hell no!
that is the most realistic and 100 time more useful than collins
and if you talking on cousins or smith or someone
PIPE DREAM KID
this guys can get 10+ rebounds depends on minutes
+ he can score 15+ or 13+
how about collins?
2 rebounds 2 point in just 20+ minutes?
does collins rebounds?
in fab melo NBA READY?
look brooklyn has a good rotation at #4 and #5
putting kg at center is nothing
bulls got noah and boozer
kg must be on boozer not noah
and that 7'1 tyson chandler
good to see sully at starting pf
but the problem is he gets in early foul trouble
that is the problem
brandon bass? he is not the same guy he used to be
if denver dont have koufos?
mozgov will be there starting center
i'd take that guy anytime any day
watch Olympics game
mozgov is really good and has the nba experienced
than fab melo
kg cant do it alone kid
specially come playoffs
NO TO JASON COLLINS
Seriously.
Forums
=/=
Poetry reading.
Please, pretty please, post in complete sentences.
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straight swap for bass? let's do this!
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Mozgov is trash
if you say mozgov is a trash go stick with you jason collins
and lets see who is trash lol....
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straight swap for bass? let's do this!
It's a covenant!
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straight swap for bass? let's do this!
since denver needs a salary cap space 100% they will trade mozgov
loose him for nothing or trade him
since bass has a huge contract
a 3 team deal might work out
better see him in celtics
than the heat
they are interested in him
another problem for kg
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Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.
But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
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Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.
But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
Like others, I say to you, blow up what?
At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
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Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.
But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
i understand but letting go of brandon bass wouldn't hurt as and it gives as more space for salary cap
and as I've said since denver is clearing for salary cap a 3 team deal might work out
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Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.
But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
Like others, I say to you, blow up what?
At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
i agree... + it really doesn't blow up the team
he only takes 3 million, so bass might work
because i don't see any team trading brandon bass for a point guard,
since farried is there power forward
they might used bass as back-up
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Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.
But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
Like others, I say to you, blow up what?
At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.
If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.
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Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.
But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
Like others, I say to you, blow up what?
At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.
If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.
I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.
Plus, winning games should be a secondary concern at this point.
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Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.
But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
Like others, I say to you, blow up what?
At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.
If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.
I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.
Plus, winning games should be a secondary concern at this point.
i think this guy can really get 13+ rebounds depending on the time, and since denver plays diffirently, knicks with d'antoni system, i think he can be better playing along with kg
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Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.
But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
Like others, I say to you, blow up what?
At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.
If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.
I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.
Because he's foul prone, an offensive liability, and poor team defender.
Rebounding is important but its not the only thing that matters in basketball. Size, well size only matters if you use it effectively. Currently Mozgov doesn't.
And yes if the team decides that winning games is no longer the goal then getting him and playing him as a backup C is a very good idea. (assuming you get him cheap)
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Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.
But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
Like others, I say to you, blow up what?
At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.
If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.
I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.
Plus, winning games should be a secondary concern at this point.
i think this guy can really get 13+ rebounds depending on the time, and since denver plays diffirently, knicks with d'antoni system, i think he can be better playing along with kg
Under Doc Rivers, I think Mozgov would play 15-20 minutes a night at most and average something like 4-5 pts and 4-6 rebounds. Probably not shooting a high % given the sudden lack of playmakers on the team. But how badly do the Celtics need a seven footer who can at least theoretically bother shots at the rim and grab a solid percentage of rebounds? Pretty badly.
And again, winning this season doesn't really matter anymore. What matters is that Mozgov could be a guy you build up moving forward. A solid buy-low-and-develop-into-an-asset move.
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Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.
But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
Like others, I say to you, blow up what?
At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.
If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.
I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.
Because he's foul prone, an offensive liability, and poor team defender.
Rebounding is important but its not the only thing that matters in basketball. Size, well size only matters if you use it effectively. Currently Mozgov doesn't.
And yes if the team decides that winning games is no longer the goal then getting him and playing him as a backup C is a very good idea. (assuming you get him cheap)
why not used him as starter
we tried kg at 4 and collins at 5
but mozgov is 100 times better than collins
and sully gets in early foul trouble
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Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.
But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
Like others, I say to you, blow up what?
At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.
If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.
I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.
Because he's foul prone, an offensive liability, and poor team defender.
Rebounding is important but its not the only thing that matters in basketball. Size, well size only matters if you use it effectively. Currently Mozgov doesn't.
And yes if the team decides that winning games is no longer the goal then getting him and playing him as a backup C is a very good idea. (assuming you get him cheap)
Honestly, I'd try to trade Terry or Bass for Mozgov and other minor expiring pieces and then split the center minutes for the rest of the season between KG, Mozgov, and Melo.
No better time, like I said, to make a move for a project like Mozgov and bring up a guy like Melo and start to try and see what you have.
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Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.
But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
Like others, I say to you, blow up what?
At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.
If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.
I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.
Because he's foul prone, an offensive liability, and poor team defender.
Rebounding is important but its not the only thing that matters in basketball. Size, well size only matters if you use it effectively. Currently Mozgov doesn't.
And yes if the team decides that winning games is no longer the goal then getting him and playing him as a backup C is a very good idea. (assuming you get him cheap)
why not used him as starter
we tried kg at 4 and collins at 5
but mozgov is 100 times better than collins
and sully gets in early foul trouble
Because KG is best as a C, and Mosgov doesn't add enough to move him to the 4.
Mosgov is almost as foul prone as Sullinger. (5.8 per36 compared to 6.3 per36)
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Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.
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Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.
But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
Like others, I say to you, blow up what?
At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.
If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.
I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.
Because he's foul prone, an offensive liability, and poor team defender.
Rebounding is important but its not the only thing that matters in basketball. Size, well size only matters if you use it effectively. Currently Mozgov doesn't.
And yes if the team decides that winning games is no longer the goal then getting him and playing him as a backup C is a very good idea. (assuming you get him cheap)
why not used him as starter
we tried kg at 4 and collins at 5
but mozgov is 100 times better than collins
and sully gets in early foul trouble
Because KG is best as a C, and Mosgov doesn't add enough to move him to the 4.
Mosgov is almost as foul prone as Sullinger. (5.8 per36 compared to 6.3 per36)
KG GOT KILLED BY
brook lopez
adray drummond
larry sanders
no put him back at pf
and i don't think kg can go more minutes playing againt's evans blatche humpries lopez rotation
+ noah and boozer, and hey bulls are interested in him,
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Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.
denver needs to add 1 player to match the salary
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I am not "there yet" on KG leaving the Center position.
He has thrived there.
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Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.
denver needs to add 1 player to match the salary
Sure. My point is: Denver's not doing the deal, regardless.
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Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.
denver needs to add 1 player to match the salary
Sure. My point is: Denver's not doing the deal, regardless.
3 team deal might get it done
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I am not "there yet" on KG leaving the Center position.
He has thrived there.
and im telling you this
kg can't go for too minutes
specially for Brooklyn
lopez evans humphries blatche Wallace
what do we got?
kg collins wilcox?
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Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.
denver needs to add 1 player to match the salary
Sure. My point is: Denver's not doing the deal, regardless.
3 team deal might get it done
what about a 4 team deal ? ;D
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=anuguff
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Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.
denver needs to add 1 player to match the salary
Sure. My point is: Denver's not doing the deal, regardless.
3 team deal might get it done
what about a 4 team deal ? ;D
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=anuguff
i like barbosa though, i hope we can change it with someone or add pick or cash
barbosa is a good pick up for us taking a low salary contract, give him the minutes he can give us some score
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Best to start KG and Sully and bring Mozgov off the bench.
Mozgov currently isn't good enough to make it worthwhile moving Garnett back to power forward full time. With 18-24 months of good coaching, Mozgov could be a quality starting center in the NBA. He needs a top big man coach like Clifford Ray to help him with his positioning and footwork defensively off the ball.
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Best to start KG and Sully and bring Mozgov off the bench.
Mozgov currently isn't good enough to make it worthwhile moving Garnett back to power forward full time. With 18-24 months of good coaching, Mozgov could be a quality starting center in the NBA. He needs a top big man coach like Clifford Ray to help him with his positioning and footwork defensively off the ball.
he fits doc rivers system right?
and how many minutes will he get?
can he also guard chris bosh?
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Best to start KG and Sully and bring Mozgov off the bench.
Mozgov currently isn't good enough to make it worthwhile moving Garnett back to power forward full time. With 18-24 months of good coaching, Mozgov could be a quality starting center in the NBA. He needs a top big man coach like Clifford Ray to help him with his positioning and footwork defensively off the ball.
he fits doc rivers system right?
and how many minutes will he get?
can he also guard chris bosh?
I don't think fit is the question as much as individual talent is.
Right now, Mozgov is a so-so backup center who is only good for 10-15 minutes a night. That is about as big a role as I can see Doc giving him. Mozgov's lack of intelligence as a team defender makes it very hard to get him more minutes than that. That would be the concern about Mozgov fitting in here. Being able to learn defensive system or not.
Chris Bosh = Mozgov can't guard Bosh. Hardly any centers in the league can guard Chris Bosh. He is one of the most difficult guys in the league to defend against at the five position. Power forwards (and some tall strong small forwards) have more success defensively on Bosh than centers.
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Mozgov is 26 years old and he still has a long way to go. He's huge, but he is offensively inferior to Bass and defensively he isn't a huge upgrade.
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Mozgov's best defensive strengths is his post defense against physical power players in the paint (so say somebody like Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum = best post defender against Bynum in playoffs last year for Denver). Mozgov has a very large frame at 7-1 270lbs with good length. Opposing players find it difficult to move him on the block and/or to finish over his length.
Mozgov doesn't match up well against quick highly skilled finesse bigs like Bosh (doesn't play good defense away from the basket) or play adequate team defense. His lack of team defense is why Mozgov hasn't played more in the NBA since arriving despite his physical talent, strong post defense and decent short jump shot and finishing around the basket offensively.
Mozgov has really good quickness and mobility for a guy his size and should be able to do more as a help defender with strong coaching. A very good option to pickup cheap and develop into a quality player.
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As other have said it really depends on who we have to give up. If Denver decides they just want another rotation big like Bass I am in. A deal like this would something I would do
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c2jdfvn
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Mozgov's best defensive strengths is his post defense against physical power players in the paint (so say somebody like Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum = best post defender against Bynum in playoffs last year for Denver). Mozgov has a very large frame at 7-1 270lbs with good length. Opposing players find it difficult to move him on the block and/or to finish over his length.
Mozgov doesn't match up well against quick highly skilled finesse bigs like Bosh (doesn't play good defense away from the basket) or play adequate team defense. His lack of team defense is why Mozgov hasn't played more in the NBA since arriving despite his physical talent, strong post defense and decent short jump shot and finishing around the basket offensively.
Mozgov has really good quickness and mobility for a guy his size and should be able to do more as a help defender with strong coaching. A very good option to pickup cheap and develop into a quality player.
if we face brooklyn nets, we saw lopez killed kg at #5
would we bring mozgov at #5 for mozgov and kg on humphries?
bucks larry sander?
detroits andray drummond?
chicago bulls
would we put mozgov on noah and boozer on kg?
chandler 7'1 on mozgov 7'1 and kg on melo or stoudamaire or someone?
lakers vs celtics
mozgov on dwight and kg on gasol
as we saw before perkins on bynum and kg on gasol
or kg on howard
7'0 gasol on 6'8 sullinger or bass?
sixers bynum on mozgov
as we saw last years playoffs denver vs lakers
mozgov on bynum?
or memphis?
z-bo on kg? marc gasol on mozgov?
or spurs? or okc? thabeet 7'3 or ibaka? or perkins?
celtics don't have the pieces for gortat or jefferson
mozgov is cheap and letting go of bass giving us some salary cap space which is really good
+ mozgov is RFA, we can resign him next season,
collins is really useless
wilcox is injured
we need kg to rest when he is tired specially playoffs
brooklyn got a good 4 and 5 rotations
brook lopez can rest a lot for kg
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sully gets an early foul trouble
bass complains on less minutes
bass hits jumpshots when he misses no one grabbed those rebounds
height kill bass
lots of 7'0 and 6'11 pf's out there
and 6'8 6'9 but knows how to used there bodies
and big baby davis is doing good in orlando
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Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.
denver needs to add 1 player to match the salary
Sure. My point is: Denver's not doing the deal, regardless.
3 team deal might get it done
I'd say a 3 team deal with Bass as the largest salary in the deal is as unlikely a scenario as I can imagine right now. The only way he gets traded is if he's attached to PP or KG.
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Mozgov's best defensive strengths is his post defense against physical power players in the paint (so say somebody like Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum = best post defender against Bynum in playoffs last year for Denver). Mozgov has a very large frame at 7-1 270lbs with good length. Opposing players find it difficult to move him on the block and/or to finish over his length.
Mozgov doesn't match up well against quick highly skilled finesse bigs like Bosh (doesn't play good defense away from the basket) or play adequate team defense. His lack of team defense is why Mozgov hasn't played more in the NBA since arriving despite his physical talent, strong post defense and decent short jump shot and finishing around the basket offensively.
Mozgov has really good quickness and mobility for a guy his size and should be able to do more as a help defender with strong coaching. A very good option to pickup cheap and develop into a quality player.
if we face brooklyn nets, we saw lopez killed kg at #5
would we bring mozgov at #5 for mozgov and kg on humphries?
bucks larry sander?
detroits andray drummond?
chicago bulls
would we put mozgov on noah and boozer on kg?
chandler 7'1 on mozgov 7'1 and kg on melo or stoudamaire or someone?
lakers vs celtics
mozgov on dwight and kg on gasol
as we saw before perkins on bynum and kg on gasol
or kg on howard
7'0 gasol on 6'8 sullinger or bass?
sixers bynum on mozgov
as we saw last years playoffs denver vs lakers
mozgov on bynum?
or memphis?
z-bo on kg? marc gasol on mozgov?
or spurs? or okc? thabeet 7'3 or ibaka? or perkins?
celtics don't have the pieces for gortat or jefferson
mozgov is cheap and letting go of bass giving us some salary cap space which is really good
+ mozgov is RFA, we can resign him next season,
collins is really useless
wilcox is injured
we need kg to rest when he is tired specially playoffs
brooklyn got a good 4 and 5 rotations
brook lopez can rest a lot for kg
Yes -- Mozgov would be very useful defensively against Brook Lopez and the Nets, Dwight Howard and the Lakers, Andrew Bynum and the Sixers, and, Memphis and Marc Gasol.
Against the others, I would say there isn't enough added value with Mozgov's post defense to put him in ahead of Sully and would keep KG as my starting center.
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I would gladly take Mozgov for Bass (malcontent who won't develop anything but an open shot game), but I would go a little further and see if Denver would trade us a combo of Mozgow/Andre Miller and what would they want for that in return? If it's Bass/Terry or Bass/Lee I do it in a heart-beat. I know Miller is no longer the player he used to be, but we need a smart player to set the team up.
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I would gladly take Mozgov for Bass (malcontent who won't develop anything but an open shot game), but I would go a little further and see if Denver would trade us a combo of Mozgow/Andre Miller and what would they want for that in return? If it's Bass/Terry or Bass/Lee I do it in a heart-beat. I know Miller is no longer the player he used to be, but we need a smart player to set the team up.
ditto
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I would gladly take Mozgov for Bass (malcontent who won't develop anything but an open shot game), but I would go a little further and see if Denver would trade us a combo of Mozgow/Andre Miller and what would they want for that in return? If it's Bass/Terry or Bass/Lee I do it in a heart-beat. I know Miller is no longer the player he used to be, but we need a smart player to set the team up.
ditto
The C's are rebuilding: better I think to keep Lee and leave Miller.
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As other have said it really depends on who we have to give up. If Denver decides they just want another rotation big like Bass I am in. A deal like this would something I would do
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c2jdfvn
Been saying to do this deal for weeks, maybe months now!
Denv. barely plays either of these guys, and we could use some young healthy size, basically two 7 footers, and we would get out from underneath Bass's contract.
I think you can look at both Mozgov and Randolph as building blocks for this next era of Celtics, but at the same time they can help in the immediate moment this season. And if we don't like what we see from Mozgov, he's contract is up at the end of the year, so we can let him walk.
And Finally, with Rondo out, how useful is Bass on the court honestly? He really isn't useful on the defensive end, and offensively, if he's not pick-popping with rondo, what else does he do? Moving forward I dont really expect a lot of pick n roll or pick n pop offense, there will probably be a lot of dribble hand-offs, so, where does that leave Bass? He's not going to post up and get the ball for low post offense.
I honestly think he's a better fit for Denver at this point and moving forward, he can do pick n pop with ty lawson and A. miller, and Denv. can do stagger picks, with Javale rolling hard and Bass popping, and Lawson with the ball looking at all of those options.
I personally believe, Randolph still has a lot of potential in his game, he's still only 23-24 and can be a good piece moving forward with Rondo, Bradley, Sully, Green, and others.
Either way, Bass has got to go. And Boston still needs to find a big guy, and not waste time trying to find a "rondo-replacement"
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At 3 points and 3 rbg in 10 minutes he's not a starting Center in the NBA. Backup player? Absolutely...
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At 3 points and 3 rbg in 10 minutes he's not a starting Center in the NBA. Backup player? Absolutely...
Mozgov is a bad idea as starting center, but a good idea as a backup. Maybe he develops into more, but he's not ready yet. Hum, maybe Mozgov is now, where we hope Melo will be this time next year? Somebody that can give you 10 to 15 minutes of unremarkable (in both a good and bad way) play every game.
I'd trade Bass for him and filler. I don't think I'd trade more than that, though. That would leave the C's with KG playing 28 minutes as center, Mozgov getting, let's say, 16 and Collins or Wilcox play the other 4 minutes. Sully, Wilcox and Green would have to handle all the PF minutes.
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At 3 points and 3 rbg in 10 minutes he's not a starting Center in the NBA. Backup player? Absolutely...
Mozgov is a bad idea as starting center, but a good idea as a backup. Maybe he develops into more, but he's not ready yet. Hum, maybe Mozgov is now, where we hope Melo will be this time next year? Somebody that can give you 10 to 15 minutes of unremarkable (in both a good and bad way) play every game.
I'd trade Bass for him and filler. I don't think I'd trade more than that, though. That would leave the C's with KG playing 28 minutes as center, Mozgov getting, let's say, 16 and Collins or Wilcox play the other 4 minutes. Sully, Wilcox and Green would have to handle all the PF minutes.
Mozgov is as "great" idea as a backup as Collins is, because they're pretty much the same guy.
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I would gladly take Mozgov for Bass (malcontent who won't develop anything but an open shot game), but I would go a little further and see if Denver would trade us a combo of Mozgow/Andre Miller and what would they want for that in return? If it's Bass/Terry or Bass/Lee I do it in a heart-beat. I know Miller is no longer the player he used to be, but we need a smart player to set the team up.
Bass is not a malcontent. Also, if he never develops more than "a jump shot" as you claim, he'll still have one more NBA caliber skill than Mozgov.
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As other have said it really depends on who we have to give up. If Denver decides they just want another rotation big like Bass I am in. A deal like this would something I would do
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c2jdfvn
Been saying to do this deal for weeks, maybe months now!
Denv. barely plays either of these guys, and we could use some young healthy size, basically two 7 footers, and we would get out from underneath Bass's contract.
I think you can look at both Mozgov and Randolph as building blocks for this next era of Celtics, but at the same time they can help in the immediate moment this season. And if we don't like what we see from Mozgov, he's contract is up at the end of the year, so we can let him walk.
And Finally, with Rondo out, how useful is Bass on the court honestly? He really isn't useful on the defensive end, and offensively, if he's not pick-popping with rondo, what else does he do? Moving forward I dont really expect a lot of pick n roll or pick n pop offense, there will probably be a lot of dribble hand-offs, so, where does that leave Bass? He's not going to post up and get the ball for low post offense.
I honestly think he's a better fit for Denver at this point and moving forward, he can do pick n pop with ty lawson and A. miller, and Denv. can do stagger picks, with Javale rolling hard and Bass popping, and Lawson with the ball looking at all of those options.
I personally believe, Randolph still has a lot of potential in his game, he's still only 23-24 and can be a good piece moving forward with Rondo, Bradley, Sully, Green, and others.
Either way, Bass has got to go. And Boston still needs to find a big guy, and not waste time trying to find a "rondo-replacement"
agree
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if i do a trade anytime any day bass can go
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people must realized kg can play too many minutes, while collins is on court we really sucks
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Who do we have to give up?
Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.
Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.
He'll help tremendously.
Bass is a shooter.
Bass is not a shooter.
He can't hit a shot outside of 15 feet to save his life, and he's pretty much useless inside 12 feet as well.
The only area where he shoots effective in between 12 - 15 feet, and even there he's shooting a mediocre 44% this season last I checked.
but denver nuggets could really used him
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GOOD IDEA
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Who do we have to give up?
Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.
Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.
He'll help tremendously.
Bass is a shooter.
Bass is not a shooter.
He can't hit a shot outside of 15 feet to save his life, and he's pretty much useless inside 12 feet as well.
The only area where he shoots effective in between 12 - 15 feet, and even there he's shooting a mediocre 44% this season last I checked.
but denver nuggets could really used him
Bass is what they want for Mozgov whether they like it or not
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I would gladly take Mozgov for Bass (malcontent who won't develop anything but an open shot game), but I would go a little further and see if Denver would trade us a combo of Mozgow/Andre Miller and what would they want for that in return? If it's Bass/Terry or Bass/Lee I do it in a heart-beat. I know Miller is no longer the player he used to be, but we need a smart player to set the team up.
Bass is not a malcontent. Also, if he never develops more than "a jump shot" as you claim, he'll still have one more NBA caliber skill than Mozgov.
but he can score and gives garnett time to rest
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Who do we have to give up?
Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.
Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.
He'll help tremendously.
Bass is a shooter.
Bass is not a shooter.
He can't hit a shot outside of 15 feet to save his life, and he's pretty much useless inside 12 feet as well.
The only area where he shoots effective in between 12 - 15 feet, and even there he's shooting a mediocre 44% this season last I checked.
but denver nuggets could really used him
Bass is what they want for Mozgov whether they like it or not
haha yes, they really need a back-up PF
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if he was any good, he would be playing..pass on him
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if he was any good, he would be playing..pass on him
do you know why i want him?
it's because i need a back-up for kg when playoffs comes, kg can't do it alone, a back-cheap center, who can play 15 to 20 minutes
+9 rebounds below and maybe 10 or 11 points per game
in that case, kg can rest while the center is playing
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if he was any good, he would be playing..pass on him
do you know why i want him?
it's because i need a back-up for kg when playoffs comes, kg can't do it alone, a back-cheap center, who can play 15 to 20 minutes
+9 rebounds below and maybe 10 or 11 points per game
in that case, kg can rest while the center is playing
And you think Mozgov is that guy? That's just plain funny.
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Mozgov would be really effective defensively with Garnett alongside him.
I think Mozgov has more value alongside KG than behind KG due to his unintelligent team defense. Not well suited to being defensive anchor.
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But i will say, he be an upgrade over Collins and Wilcox
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The never ending sea of Mozgov threads has become a little tedious. Fantasizing about him being a better player than he is won't make him a difference maker for the Cs in 2013.
Even if he were, there's no deal that makes any sense for both Denver and Boston.
Fellow posters -- please just stop.
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if he was any good, he would be playing..pass on him
do you know why i want him?
it's because i need a back-up for kg when playoffs comes, kg can't do it alone, a back-cheap center, who can play 15 to 20 minutes
+9 rebounds below and maybe 10 or 11 points per game
in that case, kg can rest while the center is playing
And you think Mozgov is that guy? That's just plain funny.
He would be better than what we have...Which is nothing currently.
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if he was any good, he would be playing..pass on him
do you know why i want him?
it's because i need a back-up for kg when playoffs comes, kg can't do it alone, a back-cheap center, who can play 15 to 20 minutes
+9 rebounds below and maybe 10 or 11 points per game
in that case, kg can rest while the center is playing
And you think Mozgov is that guy? That's just plain funny.
im just saying he is 100 times better than wilcox and collins, if we face brooklyn in playoffs with 5 bigman rotations, do you think kg can do it all? with a weak collins and wilcox?
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The never ending sea of Mozgov threads has become a little tedious. Fantasizing about him being a better player than he is won't make him a difference maker for the Cs in 2013.
Even if he were, there's no deal that makes any sense for both Denver and Boston.
Fellow posters -- please just stop.
and if you don't want then trade bass for luke walton 100times better than pierce
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Who do we have to give up?
Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.
Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.
He'll help tremendously.
Bass is a shooter.
Bass is not a shooter.
He can't hit a shot outside of 15 feet to save his life, and he's pretty much useless inside 12 feet as well.
The only area where he shoots effective in between 12 - 15 feet, and even there he's shooting a mediocre 44% this season last I checked.
but denver nuggets could really used him
Bass is what they want for Mozgov whether they like it or not
haha yes, they really need a back-up PF
rofl sounds like Bass is on the move and Denver is giddy over it!
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agree with this?
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yea, my eyes hurt
but I did try to read them...I like the trade with Corey Brewer and Timothy Mosgov for Bass
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I hate to keep knocking you for this in every thread you make but come on. There's no way you learned to write like this.
You can communicate your ideas in a way that isn't so bleeding difficult to take in, I know you can.
I want to see what it is you're trying to say but when you capitalize every word and give each sentence a different line it just shuts me off, just as bad as if you posted a wall of text.
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Do you have a relationship with your space bar? Because you two look madly in love.
Haha.
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Who do we have to give up?
Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.
Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.
He'll help tremendously.
Bass is a shooter.
Bass is not a shooter.
He can't hit a shot outside of 15 feet to save his life, and he's pretty much useless inside 12 feet as well.
The only area where he shoots effective in between 12 - 15 feet, and even there he's shooting a mediocre 44% this season last I checked.
but denver nuggets could really used him
Bass is what they want for Mozgov whether they like it or not
haha yes, they really need a back-up PF
rofl sounds like Bass is on the move and Denver is giddy over it!
the nuggets really stated that they want a back-up PF for farried for a rotation, they can used bass for sure. even for that contract, they have randolph but most of the time a bench player, i think letting go for bass wont hurt us. and he doesn't have any reason to complain, sully is better than him, + we can resign mozgov next year and randolph, so its up to danny who will be cut MELO COLLINS WILCOX MOZGOV RANDOLPH
not a better idea though
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As other have said it really depends on who we have to give up. If Denver decides they just want another rotation big like Bass I am in. A deal like this would something I would do
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c2jdfvn
Been saying to do this deal for weeks, maybe months now!
Denv. barely plays either of these guys, and we could use some young healthy size, basically two 7 footers, and we would get out from underneath Bass's contract.
I think you can look at both Mozgov and Randolph as building blocks for this next era of Celtics, but at the same time they can help in the immediate moment this season. And if we don't like what we see from Mozgov, he's contract is up at the end of the year, so we can let him walk.
And Finally, with Rondo out, how useful is Bass on the court honestly? He really isn't useful on the defensive end, and offensively, if he's not pick-popping with rondo, what else does he do? Moving forward I dont really expect a lot of pick n roll or pick n pop offense, there will probably be a lot of dribble hand-offs, so, where does that leave Bass? He's not going to post up and get the ball for low post offense.
I honestly think he's a better fit for Denver at this point and moving forward, he can do pick n pop with ty lawson and A. miller, and Denv. can do stagger picks, with Javale rolling hard and Bass popping, and Lawson with the ball looking at all of those options.
I personally believe, Randolph still has a lot of potential in his game, he's still only 23-24 and can be a good piece moving forward with Rondo, Bradley, Sully, Green, and others.
Either way, Bass has got to go. And Boston still needs to find a big guy, and not waste time trying to find a "rondo-replacement"
i'll make an article for this