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Title: Boston Celtics / Denver Nuggets Trade Scenario
Post by: krook on January 25, 2013, 09:15:01 AM
Trade Brandon Bass For Timofey Mozgov + Anthony Randolph

Add Collins Or Picks Or Cash

Let Kevin Garnett Rest For A Couple Of Days

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Sign A Small Forward Any Of These Names

Shawne Williams, 6’9’, (soon to be) 27 yrs old
Shelden Williams, 6’9’, 29 yrs old

Josh Childress, 6’8", (soon to be) 30 yrs old

DJ White, 6’9’, 26 yrs old

James Mays, 6’9’, (soon to be) 27 yrs old

Rick Jackson, 6’9’, (soon to be) 24 yrs old

Tyler Wilkerson, 6’8’, 25 yrs old

Luke Harangody (former Celtic), 6’8’, 25 yrs old

Chris Wright (Maine), 6’8’, 24 yrs old
DaJuan Summers (Maine), 6’8’, 25 yrs old

Arinze Onuaku, 6’9’, 25 yrs old


Tracy McGrady, 6’8", (soon to be) 34 yrs old

Kris Joseph

Jamario Moon

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(Let Pierce Rest)

Starters:

Point Guard - Rondo

Shooting Guard - Bradley

Small Forward - Green

Power Forward - Sully (Let KG Rest)

Center - Mozgov (7'1 Height)

Reserves/Back-Ups:

Point Guard - Terry

Shooting Guards - Barbosa/Lee

Small Forward - Any Sign Free Agents (Small Forward) / Let Paul Pierce (Rest)

Power Forward - Wilcox (6'10 Height)

Center - Randolph (6'11 height)

Center Back-Up - Collins (Bench Or Give Him 2 or 3 Minutes)

Center - Fab Melo For Rotation (Let's Try Him)

Good? Or Bad?
Title: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: krook on January 25, 2013, 10:31:46 AM
I Don't Really Know So I Want All You Opinions
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 25, 2013, 10:33:45 AM
Hes not the answer. But depending on the trade Id look into him.
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: Who on January 25, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
Nope. Mozgov is a project. 
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 25, 2013, 11:15:25 AM
I voted no, but I would say he's potentially part of the answer. One of our main needs is a big, tall center who can help protect the rim, and he can do that.

I'm afraid, though, that we have other needs too.
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: PhoSita on January 25, 2013, 11:16:06 AM
If you could trade Terry for Mozgov or Dalembert (neither of which is getting regular minutes for their current team), I'd be fine with that.

Not going to turn this team into a contender or anything, but it'd make some difference.
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: krook on January 26, 2013, 05:43:06 AM
If you could trade Terry for Mozgov or Dalembert (neither of which is getting regular minutes for their current team), I'd be fine with that.

Not going to turn this team into a contender or anything, but it'd make some difference.

why terry not bass, bass is ok for me to go
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: greenhead85 on January 26, 2013, 06:12:42 AM
He could help. A mobile seven footer willing to bang bodies and take on challenges which he displayed in the Olympics.

But not the answer to the teams' overall problems.
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 26, 2013, 06:28:02 AM
Who do we have to give up?

Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.

Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.

He'll help tremendously.
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: bfrombleacher on January 26, 2013, 06:52:00 AM
Who do we have to give up?

Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.

Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.

He'll help tremendously.

Bass is a shooter.
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: crimson_stallion on January 26, 2013, 07:41:49 AM
Who do we have to give up?

Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.

Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.

He'll help tremendously.

Bass is a shooter.

Bass is not a shooter. 

He can't hit a shot outside of 15 feet to save his life, and he's pretty much useless inside 12 feet as well.   

The only area where he shoots effective in between 12 - 15 feet, and even there he's shooting a mediocre 44% this season last I checked.
Title: Denver Nuggets And Boston Celtics Both Win This Trade
Post by: krook on January 27, 2013, 11:30:58 AM
Since There's A Lot Of Rumors Around NBA Againt's Boston Celtics

A Change Of Scenery Would Really Happen Until Trade Deadline

But As For Me I Believe In This Celtics Team Players

But Some Of Them Really Sucks This Years Or It's The Coach System On How To Used Them

Brandon Bass Is Disappointed For Not Playing More Minutes

It All Says Here

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonceltics&id=4701612&wjb

Bass Is A Good Floor Spacer And A Jump Shooter

And The Teams That Really Needs A PF

Are A Teams Like Houston Rockets And Denver Nuggets

But Houston Has Nothing For Us To Give

For Me I Believed This Players Would Really Help Us In Doc Rivers System

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=at5w7vp

Or

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c2jdfvn

Or

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=be8j2ef

Any Of Those 3 Trade Than I Think Could Possible Happen

As For The Other Players

I'm OK With Terry If He And Mozgov Can Work Out A Pick n' Roll (Hope It Works)

Since Barbosa Ask For Released Maybe He Will Be Traded

Collins Might Just Be A Filler For Nuggets Or I'll Change Him For Wilcox

Fab Melo (I'd Still Want To See What He Can Really Bring In Such A Defensive Team Celtics)

Lee Hustles And Defends Well (Bradley + Lee Together On Court)

Without KG This Team Is Nothing

Sully Is A Promising Player For Me

Pierce Is The Heart Is This Team (Blood Sweat And Tears)

You Cannot Find A Point Guard Who Can Rebounds Assist And Score

(Without Rondo's Rebounds This Team Is Nothing)

Green Came From A Heart Surgery, I Know This Guy Can Score 20+ Give Him The Minutes

Wilcox Is A Good Offensive Center For A Quick Line-Ups

I Love Kris Joseph (Maybe Sign Another Small Forward For Back-UP In Case Of Injury)

Quick Line-Ups Offense

Bradley

Barbosa

Lee

Sullinger

Wilcox

Big Man Line-Ups

Lee

Pierce

Green

KG

Center

3 Point Shooter Line-Up

Terry

Bradley

Lee

Pierce

Center (Just For Rebounds And Floor Spacing)

Small Starting Line-Ups

Rondo

Bradley

Lee

Sully

Center

And For Me, A Major Trade Would Make This Team More Worst

So I Made A Trade That Can Get Us A Good Player With Experienced

AND 100 TIMES BETTER THAN JASON COLLINS

(http://)
Title: Re: Denver Nuggets And Boston Celtics Both Win This Trade
Post by: Nowee on January 27, 2013, 11:46:50 AM
Do you have a relationship with your space bar? Because you two look madly in love.

Ontopic:
I like all three trades.
Only with the trade involved Wilson Chandler we have to lose a SG in another trade.
Title: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 05:53:37 AM
Timofey Mizgov Can Really Score And Rebounds For Me

Also Good In Shot Blocking And Pick n' Rolls

A 7'1 Center Wouldn't Be Bad And 100 Times Better Than Collins

Since I Don't See A Major Trades Coming
Trading For Him Is OK For Me

Only Takes Around 3$ Million And Will Be RFA Next Year

Since Brandon Bass Is The Player That Has To Go
I Think Denver Nuggets Could Used Him As A Back-Up
And A Good Floor Spacer

The Salaries Don't Match So
Adding One Player From Them Makes It

I Don't Know If I Include Jason Collins Or What

As I've Said 100 Times Better Than Collins Not A Bad Pick-Up

Feel Free To Comment

(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5605/28544684.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 05:59:02 AM
I'd Take Him He Would Be A Good Pick-Up

Terry And Mozgov Pick n' Roll

Shot Blocks

7 or 9 or 10 or 11 Rebounds Per Game

+ Playing With Doc Rivers System

+Playing With Defensive Player Kevin Garnett

He Can Play 35+ Minutes Which Is Not Bad For The Team

I'd Pick Him Anytime Anyday

More Realistic Trade That Can Happen
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: PhoSita on January 29, 2013, 07:48:47 AM
Dude.

Why.

Do You Type.

This.

Way.

(I would be just fine with Mozgov as the backup center; I think I'd keep Sully and KG as the starters; depends what we have to give up, though)
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 29, 2013, 07:49:17 AM
3.5 RPG a game is nothing to write home about...
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: PhoSita on January 29, 2013, 07:50:26 AM
3.5 RPG a game is nothing to write home about...

That's 3.5 rebounds in like 11 minutes. 

Per 36 his numbers are 9.9 pts and 10.5 rebounds.  Pretty decent.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Tr1boy on January 29, 2013, 07:51:20 AM
No. He would come off the bench. And we don't even need him now

Sully and Kg are perfect for starting. You could just bring up Melo to play as a backup
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: PhoSita on January 29, 2013, 08:07:16 AM
No. He would come off the bench. And we don't even need him now

Sully and Kg are perfect for starting. You could just bring up Melo to play as a backup

Still don't think Melo is ready for anything more than a 5-10 minutes a night role. 

Mozgov could still be ueful for the team.  And if he could be retained for close to the same money he makes now then he'd be a solid pickup.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 29, 2013, 08:13:17 AM
Where is the "ok option" cause I choose that.

If it was our last option and we could trade Bass + Filler for him then heck yeah.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: slamtheking on January 29, 2013, 08:23:23 AM
depends what we're giving up to get him.  he's an ok option as a backup center.  I'm not giving up the farm for a backup center.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 08:31:45 AM
Dude.

Why.

Do You Type.

This.

Way.

(I would be just fine with Mozgov as the backup center; I think I'd keep Sully and KG as the starters; depends what we have to give up, though)

lol that is a good pick-up and why would you put him as back-up center,

so stick with collins? and wilcox?

if ever miami gets him, would you put kg on him?

hell no!

that is the most realistic and 100 times more useful than collins

and if you talking on cousins or smith or someone
PIPE DREAM KID

this guys can get 10+ rebounds depends on minutes
+ he can score 15+ or 13+

how about collins?

2 rebounds 2 point in just 20+ minutes?

does collins rebounds?

is fab melo NBA READY?

look brooklyn has a good rotation at #4 and #5

putting kg at center is nothing

bulls got noah and boozer

kg must be on boozer not noah

and that 7'1 tyson chandler

good to see sully at starting pf

but the problem is he gets in early foul trouble
that is the problem

brandon bass? he is not the same guy he used to be

if denver dont have koufos?

mozgov will be there starting center

i'd take that guy anytime any day

watch Olympics game

mozgov is really good and has the nba experienced
than fab melo

kg cant do it alone kid
specially come playoffs

NO TO JASON COLLINS

if i pick this guy, i put him as starting center
that is the reason we trade for him, not to sit him on the bench, don't compare him to collins
 
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: scaryjerry on January 29, 2013, 08:32:14 AM
Mozgov is trash
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: PhoSita on January 29, 2013, 08:33:23 AM
Dude.

Why.

Do You Type.

This.

Way.

(I would be just fine with Mozgov as the backup center; I think I'd keep Sully and KG as the starters; depends what we have to give up, though)

lol that is a good pick-up and why would you put him as back-up center,

so stick with collins? and wilcox?

if ever miami gets him, would you put kg on him?

hell no!

that is the most realistic and 100 time more useful than collins

and if you talking on cousins or smith or someone
PIPE DREAM KID

this guys can get 10+ rebounds depends on minutes
+ he can score 15+ or 13+

how about collins?

2 rebounds 2 point in just 20+ minutes?

does collins rebounds?

in fab melo NBA READY?

look brooklyn has a good rotation at #4 and #5

putting kg at center is nothing

bulls got noah and boozer

kg must be on boozer not noah

and that 7'1 tyson chandler

good to see sully at starting pf

but the problem is he gets in early foul trouble
that is the problem

brandon bass? he is not the same guy he used to be

if denver dont have koufos?

mozgov will be there starting center

i'd take that guy anytime any day

watch Olympics game

mozgov is really good and has the nba experienced
than fab melo

kg cant do it alone kid
specially come playoffs

NO TO JASON COLLINS

 

Seriously.

Forums

=/=

Poetry reading.

Please, pretty please, post in complete sentences.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: celticslove on January 29, 2013, 08:36:19 AM
straight swap for bass? let's do this!
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 08:37:02 AM
Mozgov is trash

if you say mozgov is a trash go stick with you jason collins

and lets see who is trash lol....
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Eja117 on January 29, 2013, 08:37:55 AM
straight swap for bass? let's do this!
It's a covenant!
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 08:39:18 AM
straight swap for bass? let's do this!

since denver needs a salary cap space 100% they will trade mozgov

loose him for nothing or trade him

since bass has a huge contract

a 3 team deal might work out

better see him in celtics

than the heat
they are interested in him

another problem for kg

Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Fafnir on January 29, 2013, 08:39:36 AM
Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.

But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: PhoSita on January 29, 2013, 08:41:32 AM
Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.

But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.

Like others, I say to you, blow up what?

At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 08:41:55 AM
Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.

But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.

i understand but letting go of brandon bass wouldn't hurt as and it gives as more space for salary cap

and as I've said since denver is clearing for salary cap a 3 team deal might work out
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 08:44:44 AM
Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.

But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.

Like others, I say to you, blow up what?

At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?

i agree... + it really doesn't blow up the team
he only takes 3 million, so bass might work

because i don't see any team trading brandon bass for a point guard,

since farried is there power forward
they might used bass as back-up
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Fafnir on January 29, 2013, 08:49:50 AM
Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.

But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.

Like others, I say to you, blow up what?

At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.

If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: PhoSita on January 29, 2013, 08:58:45 AM
Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.

But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.

Like others, I say to you, blow up what?

At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.

If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.

I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.

Plus, winning games should be a secondary concern at this point.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 09:07:53 AM
Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.

But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.

Like others, I say to you, blow up what?

At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.

If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.

I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.

Plus, winning games should be a secondary concern at this point.

i think this guy can really get 13+ rebounds depending on the time, and since denver plays diffirently, knicks with d'antoni system, i think he can be better playing along with kg
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Fafnir on January 29, 2013, 09:10:18 AM
Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.

But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.

Like others, I say to you, blow up what?

At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.

If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.

I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.
Because he's foul prone, an offensive liability, and poor team defender.

Rebounding is important but its not the only thing that matters in basketball. Size, well size only matters if you use it effectively. Currently Mozgov doesn't.

And yes if the team decides that winning games is no longer the goal then getting him and playing him as a backup C is a very good idea. (assuming you get him cheap)
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: PhoSita on January 29, 2013, 09:11:25 AM
Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.

But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.

Like others, I say to you, blow up what?

At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.

If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.

I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.

Plus, winning games should be a secondary concern at this point.

i think this guy can really get 13+ rebounds depending on the time, and since denver plays diffirently, knicks with d'antoni system, i think he can be better playing along with kg

Under Doc Rivers, I think Mozgov would play 15-20 minutes a night at most and average something like 4-5 pts and 4-6 rebounds.  Probably not shooting a high % given the sudden lack of playmakers on the team.  But how badly do the Celtics need a seven footer who can at least theoretically bother shots at the rim and grab a solid percentage of rebounds?  Pretty badly. 

And again, winning this season doesn't really matter anymore.  What matters is that Mozgov could be a guy you build up moving forward.  A solid buy-low-and-develop-into-an-asset move.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 09:13:21 AM
Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.

But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.

Like others, I say to you, blow up what?

At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.

If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.

I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.
Because he's foul prone, an offensive liability, and poor team defender.

Rebounding is important but its not the only thing that matters in basketball. Size, well size only matters if you use it effectively. Currently Mozgov doesn't.

And yes if the team decides that winning games is no longer the goal then getting him and playing him as a backup C is a very good idea. (assuming you get him cheap)

why not used him as starter

we tried kg at 4 and collins at 5

but mozgov is 100 times better than collins

and sully gets in early foul trouble
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: PhoSita on January 29, 2013, 09:13:47 AM
Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.

But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.

Like others, I say to you, blow up what?

At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.

If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.

I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.
Because he's foul prone, an offensive liability, and poor team defender.

Rebounding is important but its not the only thing that matters in basketball. Size, well size only matters if you use it effectively. Currently Mozgov doesn't.

And yes if the team decides that winning games is no longer the goal then getting him and playing him as a backup C is a very good idea. (assuming you get him cheap)

Honestly, I'd try to trade Terry or Bass for Mozgov and other minor expiring pieces and then split the center minutes for the rest of the season between KG, Mozgov, and Melo.

No better time, like I said, to make a move for a project like Mozgov and bring up a guy like Melo and start to try and see what you have.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Fafnir on January 29, 2013, 09:18:23 AM
Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.

But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.

Like others, I say to you, blow up what?

At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.

If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.

I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.
Because he's foul prone, an offensive liability, and poor team defender.

Rebounding is important but its not the only thing that matters in basketball. Size, well size only matters if you use it effectively. Currently Mozgov doesn't.

And yes if the team decides that winning games is no longer the goal then getting him and playing him as a backup C is a very good idea. (assuming you get him cheap)

why not used him as starter

we tried kg at 4 and collins at 5

but mozgov is 100 times better than collins

and sully gets in early foul trouble
Because KG is best as a C, and Mosgov doesn't add enough to move him to the 4.

Mosgov is almost as foul prone as Sullinger. (5.8 per36 compared to 6.3 per36)
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: ssspence on January 29, 2013, 09:18:24 AM
Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 09:25:56 AM
Mozgov is a project. If we were to blow it up I'd be happy to have both him and Melo around to try and figure out which one will actually develop.

But until that happens he wouldn't do much for us.

Like others, I say to you, blow up what?

At this point, wouldn't it be worth trading any of the deadweight veteran role players on the roster to give a younger project a try?
Blow it up = stop trying to win.

If you acquire Mosgov but are still trying to win games you won't put him on the court. He needs playing time to develop but with KG eating 28-32 C minutes he's not going to really get it.

I guess I don't see why playing Mozgov 10-15 minutes a night, given our complete lack of players with size who can rebound, would be a detriment to the team.
Because he's foul prone, an offensive liability, and poor team defender.

Rebounding is important but its not the only thing that matters in basketball. Size, well size only matters if you use it effectively. Currently Mozgov doesn't.

And yes if the team decides that winning games is no longer the goal then getting him and playing him as a backup C is a very good idea. (assuming you get him cheap)

why not used him as starter

we tried kg at 4 and collins at 5

but mozgov is 100 times better than collins

and sully gets in early foul trouble
Because KG is best as a C, and Mosgov doesn't add enough to move him to the 4.

Mosgov is almost as foul prone as Sullinger. (5.8 per36 compared to 6.3 per36)

KG GOT KILLED BY

brook lopez
adray drummond
larry sanders

no put him back at pf

and i don't think kg can go more minutes playing againt's evans blatche humpries lopez rotation

+ noah and boozer, and hey bulls are interested in him,

Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 09:40:11 AM
Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.

denver needs to add 1 player to match the salary
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: snowball on January 29, 2013, 09:46:31 AM
I am not "there yet" on KG leaving the Center position.
He has thrived there.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: ssspence on January 29, 2013, 09:47:59 AM
Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.

denver needs to add 1 player to match the salary

Sure. My point is: Denver's not doing the deal, regardless.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 09:55:51 AM
Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.

denver needs to add 1 player to match the salary

Sure. My point is: Denver's not doing the deal, regardless.

3 team deal might get it done
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 09:57:12 AM
I am not "there yet" on KG leaving the Center position.
He has thrived there.

and im telling you this

kg can't go for too minutes
specially for Brooklyn

lopez evans humphries blatche Wallace

what do we got?

kg collins wilcox?
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Humble G on January 29, 2013, 09:58:45 AM
Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.

denver needs to add 1 player to match the salary

Sure. My point is: Denver's not doing the deal, regardless.

3 team deal might get it done

what about a 4 team deal ?  ;D
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=anuguff
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 10:05:39 AM
Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.

denver needs to add 1 player to match the salary

Sure. My point is: Denver's not doing the deal, regardless.

3 team deal might get it done

what about a 4 team deal ?  ;D
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=anuguff

i like barbosa though, i hope we can change it with someone or add pick or cash

barbosa is a good pick up for us taking a low salary contract, give him the minutes he can give us some score
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Who on January 29, 2013, 10:09:56 AM
Best to start KG and Sully and bring Mozgov off the bench.

Mozgov currently isn't good enough to make it worthwhile moving Garnett back to power forward full time. With 18-24 months of good coaching, Mozgov could be a quality starting center in the NBA. He needs a top big man coach like Clifford Ray to help him with his positioning and footwork defensively off the ball.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 10:14:13 AM
Best to start KG and Sully and bring Mozgov off the bench.

Mozgov currently isn't good enough to make it worthwhile moving Garnett back to power forward full time. With 18-24 months of good coaching, Mozgov could be a quality starting center in the NBA. He needs a top big man coach like Clifford Ray to help him with his positioning and footwork defensively off the ball.

he fits doc rivers system right?

and how many minutes will he get?

can he also guard chris bosh?
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Who on January 29, 2013, 10:19:49 AM
Best to start KG and Sully and bring Mozgov off the bench.

Mozgov currently isn't good enough to make it worthwhile moving Garnett back to power forward full time. With 18-24 months of good coaching, Mozgov could be a quality starting center in the NBA. He needs a top big man coach like Clifford Ray to help him with his positioning and footwork defensively off the ball.

he fits doc rivers system right?

and how many minutes will he get?

can he also guard chris bosh?

I don't think fit is the question as much as individual talent is.

Right now, Mozgov is a so-so backup center who is only good for 10-15 minutes a night. That is about as big a role as I can see Doc giving him. Mozgov's lack of intelligence as a team defender makes it very hard to get him more minutes than that. That would be the concern about Mozgov fitting in here. Being able to learn defensive system or not.   

Chris Bosh = Mozgov can't guard Bosh. Hardly any centers in the league can guard Chris Bosh. He is one of the most difficult guys in the league to defend against at the five position. Power forwards (and some tall strong small forwards) have more success defensively on Bosh than centers.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 29, 2013, 10:21:18 AM
Mozgov is 26 years old and he still has a long way to go. He's huge, but he is offensively inferior to Bass and defensively he isn't a huge upgrade.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Who on January 29, 2013, 10:29:23 AM
Mozgov's best defensive strengths is his post defense against physical power players in the paint (so say somebody like Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum = best post defender against Bynum in playoffs last year for Denver). Mozgov has a very large frame at 7-1 270lbs with good length. Opposing players find it difficult to move him on the block and/or to finish over his length.

Mozgov doesn't match up well against quick highly skilled finesse bigs like Bosh (doesn't play good defense away from the basket) or play adequate team defense. His lack of team defense is why Mozgov hasn't played more in the NBA since arriving despite his physical talent, strong post defense and decent short jump shot and finishing around the basket offensively.

Mozgov has really good quickness and mobility for a guy his size and should be able to do more as a help defender with strong coaching. A very good option to pickup cheap and develop into a quality player.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Evantime34 on January 29, 2013, 10:30:55 AM
As other have said it really depends on who we have to give up. If Denver decides they just want another rotation big like Bass I am in. A deal like this would something I would do
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c2jdfvn
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 10:39:49 AM
Mozgov's best defensive strengths is his post defense against physical power players in the paint (so say somebody like Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum = best post defender against Bynum in playoffs last year for Denver). Mozgov has a very large frame at 7-1 270lbs with good length. Opposing players find it difficult to move him on the block and/or to finish over his length.

Mozgov doesn't match up well against quick highly skilled finesse bigs like Bosh (doesn't play good defense away from the basket) or play adequate team defense. His lack of team defense is why Mozgov hasn't played more in the NBA since arriving despite his physical talent, strong post defense and decent short jump shot and finishing around the basket offensively.

Mozgov has really good quickness and mobility for a guy his size and should be able to do more as a help defender with strong coaching. A very good option to pickup cheap and develop into a quality player.

if we face brooklyn nets, we saw lopez killed kg at #5

would we bring mozgov at #5 for mozgov and kg on humphries?

bucks larry sander?

detroits andray drummond?

chicago bulls

would we put mozgov on noah and boozer on kg?

chandler 7'1 on mozgov 7'1 and kg on melo or stoudamaire or someone?

lakers vs celtics

mozgov on dwight and kg on gasol
as we saw before perkins on bynum and kg on gasol

or kg on howard
7'0 gasol on 6'8 sullinger or bass?

sixers bynum on mozgov
as we saw last years playoffs denver vs lakers
mozgov on bynum?

or memphis?
z-bo on kg? marc gasol on mozgov?

or spurs? or okc? thabeet 7'3 or ibaka? or perkins?

celtics don't have the pieces for gortat or jefferson

mozgov is cheap and letting go of bass giving us some salary cap space which is really good

+ mozgov is RFA, we can resign him next season,

collins is really useless
wilcox is injured

we need kg to rest when he is tired specially playoffs

brooklyn got a good 4 and 5 rotations
brook lopez can rest a lot for kg
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 10:49:05 AM
sully gets an early foul trouble

bass complains on less minutes

bass hits jumpshots when he misses no one grabbed those rebounds

height kill bass

lots of 7'0 and 6'11 pf's out there

and 6'8 6'9 but knows how to used there bodies

and big baby davis is doing good in orlando

Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: ssspence on January 29, 2013, 11:14:15 AM
Unless they'd take Bass for him, there's really not much reason to discuss him.

denver needs to add 1 player to match the salary

Sure. My point is: Denver's not doing the deal, regardless.

3 team deal might get it done

I'd say a 3 team deal with Bass as the largest salary in the deal is as unlikely a scenario as I can imagine right now. The only way he gets traded is if he's attached to PP or KG.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Who on January 29, 2013, 11:22:46 AM
Mozgov's best defensive strengths is his post defense against physical power players in the paint (so say somebody like Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum = best post defender against Bynum in playoffs last year for Denver). Mozgov has a very large frame at 7-1 270lbs with good length. Opposing players find it difficult to move him on the block and/or to finish over his length.

Mozgov doesn't match up well against quick highly skilled finesse bigs like Bosh (doesn't play good defense away from the basket) or play adequate team defense. His lack of team defense is why Mozgov hasn't played more in the NBA since arriving despite his physical talent, strong post defense and decent short jump shot and finishing around the basket offensively.

Mozgov has really good quickness and mobility for a guy his size and should be able to do more as a help defender with strong coaching. A very good option to pickup cheap and develop into a quality player.

if we face brooklyn nets, we saw lopez killed kg at #5

would we bring mozgov at #5 for mozgov and kg on humphries?

bucks larry sander?

detroits andray drummond?

chicago bulls

would we put mozgov on noah and boozer on kg?

chandler 7'1 on mozgov 7'1 and kg on melo or stoudamaire or someone?

lakers vs celtics

mozgov on dwight and kg on gasol
as we saw before perkins on bynum and kg on gasol

or kg on howard
7'0 gasol on 6'8 sullinger or bass?

sixers bynum on mozgov
as we saw last years playoffs denver vs lakers
mozgov on bynum?

or memphis?
z-bo on kg? marc gasol on mozgov?

or spurs? or okc? thabeet 7'3 or ibaka? or perkins?

celtics don't have the pieces for gortat or jefferson

mozgov is cheap and letting go of bass giving us some salary cap space which is really good

+ mozgov is RFA, we can resign him next season,

collins is really useless
wilcox is injured

we need kg to rest when he is tired specially playoffs

brooklyn got a good 4 and 5 rotations
brook lopez can rest a lot for kg

Yes -- Mozgov would be very useful defensively against Brook Lopez and the Nets, Dwight Howard and the Lakers, Andrew Bynum and the Sixers, and, Memphis and Marc Gasol.

Against the others, I would say there isn't enough added value with Mozgov's post defense to put him in ahead of Sully and would keep KG as my starting center.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: rsmrostov on January 29, 2013, 02:41:00 PM
I would gladly take Mozgov for Bass (malcontent who won't develop anything but an open shot game), but I would go a little further and see if Denver would trade us a combo of Mozgow/Andre Miller and what would they want for that in return?  If it's Bass/Terry or Bass/Lee I do it in a heart-beat.  I know Miller is no longer the player he used to be, but we need a smart player to set the team up.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: heyvik on January 29, 2013, 02:45:37 PM
I would gladly take Mozgov for Bass (malcontent who won't develop anything but an open shot game), but I would go a little further and see if Denver would trade us a combo of Mozgow/Andre Miller and what would they want for that in return?  If it's Bass/Terry or Bass/Lee I do it in a heart-beat.  I know Miller is no longer the player he used to be, but we need a smart player to set the team up.
ditto
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: clover on January 29, 2013, 03:30:01 PM
I would gladly take Mozgov for Bass (malcontent who won't develop anything but an open shot game), but I would go a little further and see if Denver would trade us a combo of Mozgow/Andre Miller and what would they want for that in return?  If it's Bass/Terry or Bass/Lee I do it in a heart-beat.  I know Miller is no longer the player he used to be, but we need a smart player to set the team up.
ditto

The C's are rebuilding: better I think to keep Lee and leave Miller.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: fanofgreen on January 29, 2013, 03:47:09 PM
As other have said it really depends on who we have to give up. If Denver decides they just want another rotation big like Bass I am in. A deal like this would something I would do
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c2jdfvn

Been saying to do this deal for weeks, maybe months now!

Denv. barely plays either of these guys, and we could use some  young healthy size, basically two 7 footers, and we would get out from underneath Bass's contract.

I think you can look at both Mozgov and Randolph as building blocks for this next era of Celtics, but at the same time they can help in the immediate moment  this season. And if we don't like what we see from Mozgov, he's contract is up at the end of the year, so we can let him walk.


And Finally, with Rondo out, how useful is Bass on the court honestly? He really isn't useful on the defensive end, and offensively, if he's not pick-popping with rondo, what else does he do? Moving forward I dont really expect a lot of pick n roll or pick n pop offense, there will probably be a lot of dribble hand-offs, so, where does that leave Bass? He's not going to post up and get the ball for low post offense.


I honestly think he's a better fit for Denver at this point and moving forward, he can do pick n pop with ty lawson and A. miller, and Denv. can do stagger picks, with Javale rolling hard and Bass popping, and Lawson with the ball looking at all of those options.

I personally believe, Randolph still has a lot of potential in his game, he's still only 23-24 and can be a good piece moving forward with Rondo, Bradley, Sully, Green, and others.


Either way, Bass has got to go. And Boston still needs to find a big guy, and not waste time trying to find a "rondo-replacement"
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: Geo123 on January 29, 2013, 03:57:43 PM
At 3 points and 3 rbg in 10 minutes he's not a starting Center in the NBA.  Backup player?  Absolutely...
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: erisred on January 29, 2013, 04:44:59 PM
At 3 points and 3 rbg in 10 minutes he's not a starting Center in the NBA.  Backup player?  Absolutely...
Mozgov is a bad idea as starting center, but a good idea as a backup. Maybe he develops into more, but he's not ready yet. Hum, maybe Mozgov is now, where we hope Melo will be this time next year? Somebody that can give you 10 to 15 minutes of unremarkable (in both a good and bad way) play every game.

I'd trade Bass for him and filler. I don't think I'd trade more than that, though. That would leave the C's with KG playing 28 minutes as center, Mozgov getting, let's say, 16 and Collins or Wilcox play the other 4 minutes. Sully, Wilcox and Green would have to handle all the PF minutes.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: kozlodoev on January 29, 2013, 04:55:23 PM
At 3 points and 3 rbg in 10 minutes he's not a starting Center in the NBA.  Backup player?  Absolutely...
Mozgov is a bad idea as starting center, but a good idea as a backup. Maybe he develops into more, but he's not ready yet. Hum, maybe Mozgov is now, where we hope Melo will be this time next year? Somebody that can give you 10 to 15 minutes of unremarkable (in both a good and bad way) play every game.

I'd trade Bass for him and filler. I don't think I'd trade more than that, though. That would leave the C's with KG playing 28 minutes as center, Mozgov getting, let's say, 16 and Collins or Wilcox play the other 4 minutes. Sully, Wilcox and Green would have to handle all the PF minutes.
Mozgov is as "great" idea as a backup as Collins is, because they're pretty much the same guy.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: kozlodoev on January 29, 2013, 04:58:35 PM
I would gladly take Mozgov for Bass (malcontent who won't develop anything but an open shot game), but I would go a little further and see if Denver would trade us a combo of Mozgow/Andre Miller and what would they want for that in return?  If it's Bass/Terry or Bass/Lee I do it in a heart-beat.  I know Miller is no longer the player he used to be, but we need a smart player to set the team up.
Bass is not a malcontent. Also, if he never develops more than "a jump shot" as you claim, he'll still have one more NBA caliber skill than Mozgov.
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 29, 2013, 08:31:22 PM
As other have said it really depends on who we have to give up. If Denver decides they just want another rotation big like Bass I am in. A deal like this would something I would do
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c2jdfvn

Been saying to do this deal for weeks, maybe months now!

Denv. barely plays either of these guys, and we could use some  young healthy size, basically two 7 footers, and we would get out from underneath Bass's contract.

I think you can look at both Mozgov and Randolph as building blocks for this next era of Celtics, but at the same time they can help in the immediate moment  this season. And if we don't like what we see from Mozgov, he's contract is up at the end of the year, so we can let him walk.


And Finally, with Rondo out, how useful is Bass on the court honestly? He really isn't useful on the defensive end, and offensively, if he's not pick-popping with rondo, what else does he do? Moving forward I dont really expect a lot of pick n roll or pick n pop offense, there will probably be a lot of dribble hand-offs, so, where does that leave Bass? He's not going to post up and get the ball for low post offense.


I honestly think he's a better fit for Denver at this point and moving forward, he can do pick n pop with ty lawson and A. miller, and Denv. can do stagger picks, with Javale rolling hard and Bass popping, and Lawson with the ball looking at all of those options.

I personally believe, Randolph still has a lot of potential in his game, he's still only 23-24 and can be a good piece moving forward with Rondo, Bradley, Sully, Green, and others.


Either way, Bass has got to go. And Boston still needs to find a big guy, and not waste time trying to find a "rondo-replacement"

agree
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 01:04:46 AM
if i do a trade anytime any day bass can go
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 01:19:05 AM
people must realized kg can play too many minutes, while collins is on court we really sucks

Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 01:33:43 AM
Who do we have to give up?

Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.

Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.

He'll help tremendously.

Bass is a shooter.

Bass is not a shooter. 

He can't hit a shot outside of 15 feet to save his life, and he's pretty much useless inside 12 feet as well.   

The only area where he shoots effective in between 12 - 15 feet, and even there he's shooting a mediocre 44% this season last I checked.

but denver nuggets could really used him
Title: Re: Boston Celtics Trade Scenario
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 01:46:01 AM
GOOD IDEA
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: Mazingerz on January 30, 2013, 02:16:44 AM
Who do we have to give up?

Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.

Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.

He'll help tremendously.

Bass is a shooter.

Bass is not a shooter. 

He can't hit a shot outside of 15 feet to save his life, and he's pretty much useless inside 12 feet as well.   

The only area where he shoots effective in between 12 - 15 feet, and even there he's shooting a mediocre 44% this season last I checked.

but denver nuggets could really used him

Bass is what they want for Mozgov whether they like it or not
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 03:15:09 AM
I would gladly take Mozgov for Bass (malcontent who won't develop anything but an open shot game), but I would go a little further and see if Denver would trade us a combo of Mozgow/Andre Miller and what would they want for that in return?  If it's Bass/Terry or Bass/Lee I do it in a heart-beat.  I know Miller is no longer the player he used to be, but we need a smart player to set the team up.
Bass is not a malcontent. Also, if he never develops more than "a jump shot" as you claim, he'll still have one more NBA caliber skill than Mozgov.

but he can score and gives garnett time to rest
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 03:16:26 AM
Who do we have to give up?

Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.

Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.

He'll help tremendously.

Bass is a shooter.

Bass is not a shooter. 

He can't hit a shot outside of 15 feet to save his life, and he's pretty much useless inside 12 feet as well.   

The only area where he shoots effective in between 12 - 15 feet, and even there he's shooting a mediocre 44% this season last I checked.

but denver nuggets could really used him

Bass is what they want for Mozgov whether they like it or not

haha yes, they really need a back-up PF
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: Birdman on January 30, 2013, 06:48:17 AM
if he was any good, he would be playing..pass on him
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 07:15:39 AM
if he was any good, he would be playing..pass on him

do you know why i want him?

it's because i need a back-up for kg when playoffs comes, kg can't do it alone, a back-cheap center, who can play 15 to 20 minutes

+9 rebounds below and maybe 10 or 11 points per game

in that case, kg can rest while the center is playing
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: kozlodoev on January 30, 2013, 08:35:02 AM
if he was any good, he would be playing..pass on him

do you know why i want him?

it's because i need a back-up for kg when playoffs comes, kg can't do it alone, a back-cheap center, who can play 15 to 20 minutes

+9 rebounds below and maybe 10 or 11 points per game

in that case, kg can rest while the center is playing
And you think Mozgov is that guy? That's just plain funny.
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: Who on January 30, 2013, 10:03:57 AM
Mozgov would be really effective defensively with Garnett alongside him.

I think Mozgov has more value alongside KG than behind KG due to his unintelligent team defense. Not well suited to being defensive anchor.
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: Birdman on January 30, 2013, 10:06:02 AM
But i will say, he be an upgrade over Collins and Wilcox
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: ssspence on January 30, 2013, 10:31:43 AM
The never ending sea of Mozgov threads has become a little tedious. Fantasizing about him being a better player than he is won't make him a difference maker for the Cs in 2013.

Even if he were, there's no deal that makes any sense for both Denver and Boston.

Fellow posters -- please just stop.

Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 30, 2013, 10:35:45 AM
if he was any good, he would be playing..pass on him

do you know why i want him?

it's because i need a back-up for kg when playoffs comes, kg can't do it alone, a back-cheap center, who can play 15 to 20 minutes

+9 rebounds below and maybe 10 or 11 points per game

in that case, kg can rest while the center is playing
And you think Mozgov is that guy? That's just plain funny.

He would be better than what we have...Which is nothing currently.
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 10:40:48 AM
if he was any good, he would be playing..pass on him

do you know why i want him?

it's because i need a back-up for kg when playoffs comes, kg can't do it alone, a back-cheap center, who can play 15 to 20 minutes

+9 rebounds below and maybe 10 or 11 points per game

in that case, kg can rest while the center is playing
And you think Mozgov is that guy? That's just plain funny.

im just saying he is 100 times better than wilcox and collins, if we face brooklyn in playoffs with 5 bigman rotations, do you think kg can do it all? with a weak collins and wilcox?
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: krook on January 30, 2013, 10:44:06 AM
The never ending sea of Mozgov threads has become a little tedious. Fantasizing about him being a better player than he is won't make him a difference maker for the Cs in 2013.

Even if he were, there's no deal that makes any sense for both Denver and Boston.

Fellow posters -- please just stop.

and if you don't want then trade bass for luke walton 100times better than pierce
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: dreamgreen on January 30, 2013, 11:13:20 AM
Who do we have to give up?

Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.

Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.

He'll help tremendously.

Bass is a shooter.

Bass is not a shooter. 

He can't hit a shot outside of 15 feet to save his life, and he's pretty much useless inside 12 feet as well.   

The only area where he shoots effective in between 12 - 15 feet, and even there he's shooting a mediocre 44% this season last I checked.

but denver nuggets could really used him

Bass is what they want for Mozgov whether they like it or not

haha yes, they really need a back-up PF

rofl sounds like Bass is on the move and Denver is giddy over it!
Title: Re: Denver Nuggets And Boston Celtics Both Win This Trade
Post by: krook on January 31, 2013, 01:35:46 AM
agree with this?
Title: Re: Denver Nuggets And Boston Celtics Both Win This Trade
Post by: manl_lui on January 31, 2013, 01:57:24 AM
yea, my eyes hurt

but I did try to read them...I like the trade with Corey Brewer and Timothy Mosgov for Bass
Title: Re: Denver Nuggets And Boston Celtics Both Win This Trade
Post by: PhoSita on January 31, 2013, 02:16:22 AM
I hate to keep knocking you for this in every thread you make but come on.  There's no way you learned to write like this.

You can communicate your ideas in a way that isn't so bleeding difficult to take in, I know you can. 

I want to see what it is you're trying to say but when you capitalize every word and give each sentence a different line it just shuts me off, just as bad as if you posted a wall of text.
Title: Re: Denver Nuggets And Boston Celtics Both Win This Trade
Post by: PhoSita on January 31, 2013, 02:16:52 AM
Do you have a relationship with your space bar? Because you two look madly in love.

Haha.
Title: Re: Trading For Timofey Mozgov
Post by: krook on January 31, 2013, 03:06:33 AM
Who do we have to give up?

Anything outside of Paul, KG, Rondo and Bradley.

Denver needs shooters, so they could use Barbosa. We can offer Leandro and some additions to probably land MOsgov.

He'll help tremendously.

Bass is a shooter.

Bass is not a shooter. 

He can't hit a shot outside of 15 feet to save his life, and he's pretty much useless inside 12 feet as well.   

The only area where he shoots effective in between 12 - 15 feet, and even there he's shooting a mediocre 44% this season last I checked.

but denver nuggets could really used him

Bass is what they want for Mozgov whether they like it or not

haha yes, they really need a back-up PF

rofl sounds like Bass is on the move and Denver is giddy over it!

the nuggets really stated that they want a back-up PF for farried for a rotation, they can used bass for sure. even for that contract, they have randolph but most of the time a bench player, i think letting go for bass wont hurt us. and he doesn't have any reason to complain, sully is better than him, + we can resign mozgov next year and randolph, so its up to danny who will be cut MELO COLLINS WILCOX MOZGOV RANDOLPH

not a better idea though
Title: Re: Timofey Mozgov As Celtics Starting Center
Post by: krook on January 31, 2013, 03:07:51 AM
As other have said it really depends on who we have to give up. If Denver decides they just want another rotation big like Bass I am in. A deal like this would something I would do
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c2jdfvn

Been saying to do this deal for weeks, maybe months now!

Denv. barely plays either of these guys, and we could use some  young healthy size, basically two 7 footers, and we would get out from underneath Bass's contract.

I think you can look at both Mozgov and Randolph as building blocks for this next era of Celtics, but at the same time they can help in the immediate moment  this season. And if we don't like what we see from Mozgov, he's contract is up at the end of the year, so we can let him walk.


And Finally, with Rondo out, how useful is Bass on the court honestly? He really isn't useful on the defensive end, and offensively, if he's not pick-popping with rondo, what else does he do? Moving forward I dont really expect a lot of pick n roll or pick n pop offense, there will probably be a lot of dribble hand-offs, so, where does that leave Bass? He's not going to post up and get the ball for low post offense.


I honestly think he's a better fit for Denver at this point and moving forward, he can do pick n pop with ty lawson and A. miller, and Denv. can do stagger picks, with Javale rolling hard and Bass popping, and Lawson with the ball looking at all of those options.

I personally believe, Randolph still has a lot of potential in his game, he's still only 23-24 and can be a good piece moving forward with Rondo, Bradley, Sully, Green, and others.


Either way, Bass has got to go. And Boston still needs to find a big guy, and not waste time trying to find a "rondo-replacement"

i'll make an article for this