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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: syfy9 on January 25, 2013, 12:44:29 AM
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They played hard against the Knicks. They brought the effort. They played with tenacity and intensity.
They didn't do that in the past few games. It just wasn't there.
Honestly, the difference between a mediocre team and a great team is consistency.
I don't want to see them play with this kind of basketball against the Heat but then take it easy the next few games. They're playing the Magic, Kings, Lakers, and Raptors in the next several games, and I'd really like to see them play hard then too. Don't take it easy - we're in no position to do so.
Loved watching them play tonight. And honestly, if they played this way - like they actually CARE - every game for the rest of the season, I don't care what our record is. Watching a good old fashioned Celtics team that takes no prisoners will be worth my league pass money.
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Yay for moral victories. Good effort.
I think the problem is that we´re just not very good anymore. We´re a middle-of-the-road team.
A few encouraging games here and there don´t change that.
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"Good job, good effort."
-- tagline for this Celtics season (said ironically, most of the time)
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"Good job, good effort."
-- tagline for this Celtics season (said ironically, most of the time)
Bad effort games off the top of my head, Cavs, Suns, Pistons
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"Good job, good effort."
-- tagline for this Celtics season (said ironically, most of the time)
Bad effort games off the top of my head, Cavs, Suns, Pistons
Hence: said ironically / sarcastically most of the time.
They're not giving a good job or a good effort. And the way they've underperformed this season, in light of the fire they played with during that post-season run last year (during which the "good job good effort" kid had his moment), is just a total joke and very disappointing / flabbergasting.
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1- Terry can't throw it in the ocean
2- Sully isn't allowed to play defense
3- Rondo hides on D like he's Kobe
4- Green needs a larger role
5- Pierce needs a smaller role
I'm still convinced the talent is there to make some noise, but we're going to need to build some on court chemistry. Spacing on both sides of the ball is all jumbled.
And it doesn't help that we get hosed by officials every time out
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Or could be our guys are distracted by all that fake crowd noise we pipe in. ::)
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"Good job, good effort."
-- tagline for this Celtics season (said ironically, most of the time)
Bad effort games off the top of my head, Cavs, Suns, Pistons
Hence: said ironically / sarcastically most of the time.
They're not giving a good job or a good effort. And the way they've underperformed this season, in light of the fire they played with during that post-season run last year (during which the "good job good effort" kid had his moment), is just a total joke and very disappointing / flabbergasting.
missed that...whoops
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Yay for moral victories. Good effort.
I think the problem is that we´re just not very good anymore. We´re a middle-of-the-road team.
A few encouraging games here and there don´t change that.
I think the difference between a few encouraging games and a bad losing streak has been Paul Pierce's ability to play good basketball.
I think when Pierce gets out of this horrid run, Boston will have another strong period play. Whether Pierce can do a better job of limiting this horrid spells going forward or be relied upon in the playoffs, I don't know.
Doc's handling of Pierce and refusal to reduce his minutes when Pierce is playing badly is equally as hurtful to Boston as Pierce's own bad performances. Doc is doing a bad job handling Pierce, again.
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The problem with this Celtic team is that barring a trade or big retirement party, this is the roster we'll have for the next 3 years.
They'll either get it together on the court or they'll provide us with some lottery picks the next couple of years and give Danny a lot of good expiring deals for trades after next year.
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Yay for moral victories. Good effort.
I think the problem is that we´re just not very good anymore. We´re a middle-of-the-road team.
A few encouraging games here and there don´t change that.
I think the difference between a few encouraging games and a bad losing streak has been Paul Pierce's ability to play good basketball.
I think when Pierce gets out of this horrid run, Boston will have another strong period play. Whether Pierce can do a better job of limiting this horrid spells going forward or be relied upon in the playoffs, I don't know.
Doc's handling of Pierce and refusal to reduce his minutes when Pierce is playing badly is equally as hurtful to Boston as Pierce's own bad performances. Doc is doing a bad job handling Pierce, again.
Well, if the Celtics are this dependent on Pierce to play well -- i.e. if he struggles, they lose -- how they can hope to win consistently going forward? Pierce is 35 going on 36. He's just not going to be able to have a good game every night.
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Yay for moral victories. Good effort.
I think the problem is that we´re just not very good anymore. We´re a middle-of-the-road team.
A few encouraging games here and there don´t change that.
I agree with this. What happened to the days of expecting excellence to go along with this effort? Guess we all need to become the "good job, good effort" kid in Miami. :'(
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They flat out stink....... No one on that team can play anymore and Doc cannot coach and Danny can't buy the right groceries.
We will go down the drain and finish in the Atlantic Division basement and finish about 12th in the Eastern Conference.
This team is toast. I am outta here.
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You can pick apart the problem in a couple of different ways; from the team perspective and from the individual perspective.
From the team perspective, we are a poor rebbounding team, mediocore defensively, and poor to mediocore shooting team. These all lead to a poor to mediocore team.
From the individual standpoint, we do have a talent issue. At this point, we have no stars. Rondo is very good, but not a star frankly. KG is closest, but can't play big minutes. And PP, simply is old.
Role players (which is everyone else) can only shine when they have star players to play off of. When they don't, they are exposed, ineffective, or inconsequential.
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You can pick apart the problem in a couple of different ways; from the team perspective and from the individual perspective.
From the team perspective, we are a poor rebbounding team, mediocore defensively, and poor to mediocore shooting team. These all lead to a poor to mediocore team.
From the individual standpoint, we do have a talent issue. At this point, we have no stars. Rondo is very good, but not a star frankly. KG is closest, but can't play big minutes. And PP, simply is old.
Role players (which is everyone else) can only shine when they have star players to play off of. When they don't, they are exposed, ineffective, or inconsequential.
our offensive style is very bad also. not enough attacking the rim in a plethora of ways has been our downfall.
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The problem with this Celtic team
1. Poor shooting from any position(Terry, PP, Lee, Green)
2. No fast offensive strategies(Rondo is the key)
3. Missing a big man to help KG (he can not play 48 minutes)
4. Poor defensive positions on th floor of some players (remember Belinellis last points)
5. DA did not find replace for Perk and Ray( get rid of Terry, Wilcox etc)
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You can pick apart the problem in a couple of different ways; from the team perspective and from the individual perspective.
From the team perspective, we are a poor rebbounding team, mediocore defensively, and poor to mediocore shooting team. These all lead to a poor to mediocore team.
From the individual standpoint, we do have a talent issue. At this point, we have no stars. Rondo is very good, but not a star frankly. KG is closest, but can't play big minutes. And PP, simply is old.
Role players (which is everyone else) can only shine when they have star players to play off of. When they don't, they are exposed, ineffective, or inconsequential.
our offensive style is very bad also. not enough attacking the rim in a plethora of ways has been our downfall.
This is a product of our talent as much as anything else. PP can't get to the rim like he used to. Rondo is limited because guys play off of him. And no one else on the team, quite frankly, has the ability to do it.
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Thank you droop dog. I agree with your observations that this team simply does not measure up. I recant some of what I said. Doc Rivers is a good coach and that is why we are still near .500 and currently 8th seed and projected to finish there. But the Celtics we saw last night is pretty much what we will get the rest of the way. Danny, Doc, and ownership need to make a decision real soon on the future course of this team.
The problem with this Celtic team
1. Poor shooting from any position(Terry, PP, Lee, Green)
2. No fast offensive strategies(Rondo is the key)
3. Missing a big man to help KG (he can not play 48 minutes)
4. Poor defensive positions on th floor of some players (remember Belinellis last points)
5. DA did not find replace for Perk and Ray( get rid of Terry, Wilcox etc)
1. Poor shooting is the result of bad ball movement leading to difficult shots and turnovers plus tired legs results in cold shooting.
2. I think you are saying that no one is available to run with rONDO. Danny's signings have been a bust so far.
3. Sullenger has been good, the rest of the bigs have been hurt our flat out stink.
4. Poor defensive positions is lack of focus and attention to detail. That is disturbing.
5. The Perkins trade broke up a very good thing indeed. The loss of Ray Allen was due to a contractual situation and the fact Avery Bradley beat him out of a starter role.
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Yay for moral victories. Good effort.
I think the problem is that we´re just not very good anymore. We´re a middle-of-the-road team.
A few encouraging games here and there don´t change that.
I think the difference between a few encouraging games and a bad losing streak has been Paul Pierce's ability to play good basketball.
I think when Pierce gets out of this horrid run, Boston will have another strong period play. Whether Pierce can do a better job of limiting this horrid spells going forward or be relied upon in the playoffs, I don't know.
Doc's handling of Pierce and refusal to reduce his minutes when Pierce is playing badly is equally as hurtful to Boston as Pierce's own bad performances. Doc is doing a bad job handling Pierce, again.
I´m sorry, Who, but didn´t you expect the same of Bradley´s return?
Ignoring the point PhoSita made for the sake of argument (although it ends the argument right there, in my opinion), when was the last time Pierce had 5 good games in a row? Because I really can´t remember, and have to go back 2 years to the days when Shaq was still playing for us.
Do you think that´s enough to get us through potentially four 7-game series?
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The problem with this Celtic's Team....
.... is that it's like the Celtic's teams of the past three seasons. Its play is wildly inconsistent and up and down.
Well unless you want to argue that its consistent at being inconsistent... No argument there.
If we get into the playoffs, hopefully, they bring it like the Celtics of the past three seasons.
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age/decline
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Yay for moral victories. Good effort.
I think the problem is that we´re just not very good anymore. We´re a middle-of-the-road team.
A few encouraging games here and there don´t change that.
I think the difference between a few encouraging games and a bad losing streak has been Paul Pierce's ability to play good basketball.
I think when Pierce gets out of this horrid run, Boston will have another strong period play. Whether Pierce can do a better job of limiting this horrid spells going forward or be relied upon in the playoffs, I don't know.
Doc's handling of Pierce and refusal to reduce his minutes when Pierce is playing badly is equally as hurtful to Boston as Pierce's own bad performances. Doc is doing a bad job handling Pierce, again.
I´m sorry, Who, but didn´t you expect the same of Bradley´s return?
Ignoring the point PhoSita made for the sake of argument (although it ends the argument right there, in my opinion), when was the last time Pierce had 5 good games in a row? Because I really can´t remember, and have to go back 2 years to the days when Shaq was still playing for us.
Do you think that´s enough to get us through potentially four 7-game series?
I don't know what to make of Pierce.
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Thank you droop dog. I agree with your observations that this team simply does not measure up. I recant some of what I said. Doc Rivers is a good coach and that is why we are still near .500 and currently 8th seed and projected to finish there. But the Celtics we saw last night is pretty much what we will get the rest of the way. Danny, Doc, and ownership need to make a decision real soon on the future course of this team.
The problem with this Celtic team
1. Poor shooting from any position(Terry, PP, Lee, Green)
2. No fast offensive strategies(Rondo is the key)
3. Missing a big man to help KG (he can not play 48 minutes)
4. Poor defensive positions on th floor of some players (remember Belinellis last points)
5. DA did not find replace for Perk and Ray( get rid of Terry, Wilcox etc)
1. Poor shooting is the result of bad ball movement leading to difficult shots and turnovers plus tired legs results in cold shooting.
2. I think you are saying that no one is available to run with rONDO. Danny's signings have been a bust so far.
3. Sullenger has been good, the rest of the bigs have been hurt our flat out stink.
4. Poor defensive positions is lack of focus and attention to detail. That is disturbing.
5. The Perkins trade broke up a very good thing indeed. The loss of Ray Allen was due to a contractual situation and the fact Avery Bradley beat him out of a starter role.
The problem with this Celtic team ...more details...
1. Poor shooting from any position(Terry, PP, Lee, Green)...in general there no more a good shooter in order to solve games(like Ray or PP 2-3 seasons ago)
2. No fast offensive strategies(Rondo is the key)...in fact Rondo is a slow playmaker and does not inspire a fast offensive vector...solution? ..trade Rondo for a better dynamic playmaker
3. Missing a big man to help KG (he can not play 48 minutes)...how can be possible to move on only with KG??? Imagine if KG will get injured...
4. Poor defensive positions on th floor of some players (remember Belinellis last points)...there is a big reason to blame Doc for poor defence menagment ideas in particular in 4 quarters
5. DA did not find replace for Perk and Ray(get rid of Terry, Wilcox etc)...is clear that Cs lost the best big man and the best shooter. There is a big reason to blame DA for poor trades from 2010 till now...