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Title: Our new go to guy
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 24, 2013, 10:37:26 PM
Pierce is no longer a viable solution every time.

Who should it be?
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Change on January 24, 2013, 10:39:04 PM
Jason Terry
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 24, 2013, 10:39:19 PM
Lee, maybe?

Terry... Slumping. Rondo, KG....?

Bass, Green, Bradley... Nah
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: esel1000 on January 24, 2013, 10:41:14 PM
no one... thats our problem.

rondo isnt the go to guy on a team. he needs to play with a go to guy, his game is designed around setting up others for easy shots (i.e the big 3 in their prime).

pp and kg can't be expected to carry a team on a nightly basis anymore. as much as I hate to say it, we need a carmelo anthony
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Who on January 24, 2013, 10:42:41 PM
Rondo is the best creator on the team. He has been for quite a long time now.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 24, 2013, 10:43:16 PM
I still like Pierce in this role, but he needs help.

This team needs help, or just more time to gel.

I'm going to go with the former, here.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: mr. dee on January 24, 2013, 10:44:27 PM
no one... thats our problem.

rondo isnt the go to guy on a team. he needs to play with a go to guy, his game is designed around setting up others for easy shots (i.e the big 3 in their prime).

pp and kg can't be expected to carry a team on a nightly basis anymore. as much as I hate to say it, we need a carmelo anthony
Rondo pretty much carry this team. Pierce is done.  I think making him come from the bench won't hurt at this point or dramatically decrease his PT.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Atzar on January 24, 2013, 10:45:05 PM
Rondo.  When he's invested, he's this team's best scorer now.

Pierce had one blistering stretch this year where he was lighting everybody up and scoring from all over the court, but in general he's been inefficient at best and ineffective at worst.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Q_FBE on January 24, 2013, 10:46:23 PM
Jared Sullenger or Jeff Green
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 24, 2013, 10:47:03 PM
I wonder why KG never gives us go-ahead game winners, ever. He's never been given the chance and likely does not want to take blame if he misses.
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Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 24, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
Coming into the season, Rondo was expected to be this guy.  Unfortunately, his jumper, while improved, isn't respectable enough to the point where teams are going to fight over screens for him.

Until Rondo can get a good, solid jumper, he won't be an ideal option for a crunch-time bucket.  If he can, though, he'll be deadly.  That mixture of jump-shooting, driving ability, and passing is scary.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Atzar on January 24, 2013, 10:49:55 PM
I wonder why KG never gives us go-ahead game winners, ever. He's never been given the chance and likely does not want to take blame if he misses.
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Lol, nice baseless conjecture.

I do agree with the first part of that sentence though - I think a KG jumper is much better than what Pierce normally comes up with in the clutch these days.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 24, 2013, 10:51:42 PM
At this point, I'd be rather shocked if Danny doesn't do an about face and make a trade.

I'm starting to get convinced that this team needs more than what we have right now.

The funny thing with this team is that - unlike the Lakers - we've actually beaten some good - even elite - teams...with AB and without.

Just don't know what is wrong.

To be honest, Paul Pierce not making the ASG is a GOOD thing...stay home, Paul. Get some rest.

The man will more than likely still have to do more of the same heavy lifting for this team after the ASG.

I hope he has some help by then.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 24, 2013, 10:52:16 PM
I wonder why KG never gives us go-ahead game winners, ever. He's never been given the chance and likely does not want to take blame if he misses.
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Lol, nice baseless conjecture.

I do agree with the first part of that sentence though - I think a KG jumper is much better than what Pierce normally comes up with in the clutch these days.

In all his years, he mostly has taken jumpers when already tied, with not much to lose. With his personality and skill, it's almost guaranteed he doesn't want the shot. He rarely takes game winners when down 1. I think he just doesn't want to, whether it be to save face or he just isn't clutch, which is doubtful.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Clench123 on January 24, 2013, 10:52:43 PM
Coming into the season, Rondo was expected to be this guy.  Unfortunately, his jumper, while improved, isn't respectable enough to the point where teams are going to fight over screens for him.

Until Rondo can get a good, solid jumper, he won't be an ideal option for a crunch-time bucket.  If he can, though, he'll be deadly.  That mixture of jump-shooting, driving ability, and passing is scary.

We get it.  You don't like Rondo and you would blame him no matter how good he is or how sensational he is such as tonight's game.  It's getting old
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: kozlodoev on January 24, 2013, 10:58:39 PM
Coming into the season, Rondo was expected to be this guy.  Unfortunately, his jumper, while improved, isn't respectable enough to the point where teams are going to fight over screens for him.

Until Rondo can get a good, solid jumper, he won't be an ideal option for a crunch-time bucket.  If he can, though, he'll be deadly.  That mixture of jump-shooting, driving ability, and passing is scary.

We get it.  You don't like Rondo and you would blame him no matter how good he is or how sensational he is such as tonight's game.  It's getting old
No, we get it. You worship at Rondo's altar. His triple doubles are "sensational", and when he has 9 turnovers, or turns it over because he just needs to get someone an alley-oop rather than a layup for himself, that's just bad luck.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 24, 2013, 10:59:57 PM
Coming into the season, Rondo was expected to be this guy.  Unfortunately, his jumper, while improved, isn't respectable enough to the point where teams are going to fight over screens for him.

Until Rondo can get a good, solid jumper, he won't be an ideal option for a crunch-time bucket.  If he can, though, he'll be deadly.  That mixture of jump-shooting, driving ability, and passing is scary.

We get it.  You don't like Rondo and you would blame him no matter how good he is or how sensational he is such as tonight's game.  It's getting old
No, we get it. You worship at Rondo's altar. His triple doubles are "sensational", and when he has 9 turnovers, or turns it over because he just needs to get someone an alley-oop rather than a layup for himself, that's just bad luck.

He out rebounds most forwards when he tries, and can position himself as we'll as the beast, Sully, who will be top-5 rebounder in his career.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 24, 2013, 11:02:50 PM
Coming into the season, Rondo was expected to be this guy.  Unfortunately, his jumper, while improved, isn't respectable enough to the point where teams are going to fight over screens for him.

Until Rondo can get a good, solid jumper, he won't be an ideal option for a crunch-time bucket.  If he can, though, he'll be deadly.  That mixture of jump-shooting, driving ability, and passing is scary.

We get it.  You don't like Rondo and you would blame him no matter how good he is or how sensational he is such as tonight's game.  It's getting old

I love Rondo.  He's my second favorite Celtics behind KG.

Unlike you, I understand Rondo has flaws and limitations, and I'm okay with that.  The great thing about these things is that Rondo hasn't even hit his prime, giving him time to improve.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: kozlodoev on January 24, 2013, 11:03:57 PM
Coming into the season, Rondo was expected to be this guy.  Unfortunately, his jumper, while improved, isn't respectable enough to the point where teams are going to fight over screens for him.

Until Rondo can get a good, solid jumper, he won't be an ideal option for a crunch-time bucket.  If he can, though, he'll be deadly.  That mixture of jump-shooting, driving ability, and passing is scary.

We get it.  You don't like Rondo and you would blame him no matter how good he is or how sensational he is such as tonight's game.  It's getting old
No, we get it. You worship at Rondo's altar. His triple doubles are "sensational", and when he has 9 turnovers, or turns it over because he just needs to get someone an alley-oop rather than a layup for himself, that's just bad luck.

He out rebounds most forwards when he tries, and can position himself as we'll as the beast, Sully, who will be top-5 rebounder in his career.
He also cures the plague with his touch, and fires lightning bolts from his eyes.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Clench123 on January 24, 2013, 11:07:01 PM
Coming into the season, Rondo was expected to be this guy.  Unfortunately, his jumper, while improved, isn't respectable enough to the point where teams are going to fight over screens for him.

Until Rondo can get a good, solid jumper, he won't be an ideal option for a crunch-time bucket.  If he can, though, he'll be deadly.  That mixture of jump-shooting, driving ability, and passing is scary.

We get it.  You don't like Rondo and you would blame him no matter how good he is or how sensational he is such as tonight's game.  It's getting old

I love Rondo.  He's my second favorite Celtics behind KG.

Unlike you, I understand Rondo has flaws and limitations, and I'm okay with that.  The great thing about these things is that Rondo hasn't even hit his prime, giving him time to improve.

Most of your post here is Rondo this Rondo that.  Even when he played a sensational game like he did tonight, you still can't resist calling in him out when it was Paul Pierce who cost us the game.  We all know he has flaws and he's improved on a lot of them.  It's just not the time...very anticlamatic when he's coming off another usual great triple double.  Makes no sense at all
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: PhoSita on January 24, 2013, 11:07:20 PM
We don't have one!

That's a big part of why this team struggles to score, especially late in games.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: rondohondo on January 24, 2013, 11:08:37 PM
Should have been OJ Mayo if the c's players and/or doc didn't kill the Ray trade last year ;)
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 24, 2013, 11:10:15 PM
Pierce is no longer a viable solution every time.

Who should it be?

JASON COLLINSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 24, 2013, 11:13:02 PM
It should have been Jason Terry. He was brought here to replace Ray and he hasn't been anywhere close. Ray has been hitting clutch 3 after clutch 3 for Miami and Jet really has no business in the rotation right now.

There should be plays drawn up for KG as well. At least no one would be expecting it. Everybody's prepared for Doc and his stale end of game Paul Pierce iso. His jumper is reliable and he can hit the 3.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 24, 2013, 11:13:44 PM
Coming into the season, Rondo was expected to be this guy.  Unfortunately, his jumper, while improved, isn't respectable enough to the point where teams are going to fight over screens for him.

Until Rondo can get a good, solid jumper, he won't be an ideal option for a crunch-time bucket.  If he can, though, he'll be deadly.  That mixture of jump-shooting, driving ability, and passing is scary.

We get it.  You don't like Rondo and you would blame him no matter how good he is or how sensational he is such as tonight's game.  It's getting old

I love Rondo.  He's my second favorite Celtics behind KG.

Unlike you, I understand Rondo has flaws and limitations, and I'm okay with that.  The great thing about these things is that Rondo hasn't even hit his prime, giving him time to improve.

Most of your post here is Rondo this Rondo that.  Even when he played a sensational game like he did tonight, you still can't resist calling in him out when it was Paul Pierce who cost us the game.  We all know he has flaws and he's improved on a lot of them.  It's just not the time...very anticlamatic when he's coming off another usual great triple double.  Makes no sense at all

Last I checked, this was a blog that allows people to write about what they want.  I felt like I should give my opinion on Rondo.  He played great, made one bad mistake at the end, and we lost.  Please explain to me how that doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Clench123 on January 24, 2013, 11:20:47 PM
Coming into the season, Rondo was expected to be this guy.  Unfortunately, his jumper, while improved, isn't respectable enough to the point where teams are going to fight over screens for him.

Until Rondo can get a good, solid jumper, he won't be an ideal option for a crunch-time bucket.  If he can, though, he'll be deadly.  That mixture of jump-shooting, driving ability, and passing is scary.

We get it.  You don't like Rondo and you would blame him no matter how good he is or how sensational he is such as tonight's game.  It's getting old

I love Rondo.  He's my second favorite Celtics behind KG.

Unlike you, I understand Rondo has flaws and limitations, and I'm okay with that.  The great thing about these things is that Rondo hasn't even hit his prime, giving him time to improve.

Most of your post here is Rondo this Rondo that.  Even when he played a sensational game like he did tonight, you still can't resist calling in him out when it was Paul Pierce who cost us the game.  We all know he has flaws and he's improved on a lot of them.  It's just not the time...very anticlamatic when he's coming off another usual great triple double.  Makes no sense at all

Last I checked, this was a blog that allows people to write about what they want.  I felt like I should give my opinion on Rondo.  He played great, made one bad mistake at the end, and we lost.  Please explain to me how that doesn't make sense.

Yea...that guy who lost and fumbled the ball was clearly Rondo.  I'm done.  Have a ball with  your Rondo hate you call love. 
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 24, 2013, 11:29:23 PM
Coming into the season, Rondo was expected to be this guy.  Unfortunately, his jumper, while improved, isn't respectable enough to the point where teams are going to fight over screens for him.

Until Rondo can get a good, solid jumper, he won't be an ideal option for a crunch-time bucket.  If he can, though, he'll be deadly.  That mixture of jump-shooting, driving ability, and passing is scary.

We get it.  You don't like Rondo and you would blame him no matter how good he is or how sensational he is such as tonight's game.  It's getting old

I love Rondo.  He's my second favorite Celtics behind KG.

Unlike you, I understand Rondo has flaws and limitations, and I'm okay with that.  The great thing about these things is that Rondo hasn't even hit his prime, giving him time to improve.

Most of your post here is Rondo this Rondo that.  Even when he played a sensational game like he did tonight, you still can't resist calling in him out when it was Paul Pierce who cost us the game.  We all know he has flaws and he's improved on a lot of them.  It's just not the time...very anticlamatic when he's coming off another usual great triple double.  Makes no sense at all

Last I checked, this was a blog that allows people to write about what they want.  I felt like I should give my opinion on Rondo.  He played great, made one bad mistake at the end, and we lost.  Please explain to me how that doesn't make sense.

Yea...that guy who lost and fumbled the ball was clearly Rondo.  I'm done.  Have a ball with  your Rondo hate you call love.

What the heck.  I'll bite.

Ok, let's break down those two turnovers:

65% on Terry.  35% on Pierce.  From what I remember, Terry didn't hold the ball out away from his chest, but rather towards Pierce.  Smith poked it away easily, but you could make the argument that Paul could've handled it.  So Terry and Pierce get blame, are you satisfied?

70% on Rondo.  30% on Pierce.  Not only did Rondo assume that Pierce was going to be open for the pass, once he realized this anticipation was wrong, he threw a very difficult pass to Paul that Pierce was unfortunately unable to control.  Rondo needs to be smarter and keep his dribble there.  In late-clock situations, plays you draw up can break down, and you need to be ready for that.  I fault Rondo.

Finally, when did I say Rondo lost us the game?   Heck, when did I say Rondo had a bad game?  I said he probably cost us a chance to tie the game, but at least he tried for a couple steals in the closing moments.  I give him credit for that.

Get your facts straight before calling me out.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 24, 2013, 11:43:27 PM
Coming into the season, Rondo was expected to be this guy.  Unfortunately, his jumper, while improved, isn't respectable enough to the point where teams are going to fight over screens for him.

Until Rondo can get a good, solid jumper, he won't be an ideal option for a crunch-time bucket.  If he can, though, he'll be deadly.  That mixture of jump-shooting, driving ability, and passing is scary.

We get it.  You don't like Rondo and you would blame him no matter how good he is or how sensational he is such as tonight's game.  It's getting old

I love Rondo.  He's my second favorite Celtics behind KG.

Unlike you, I understand Rondo has flaws and limitations, and I'm okay with that.  The great thing about these things is that Rondo hasn't even hit his prime, giving him time to improve.

Most of your post here is Rondo this Rondo that.  Even when he played a sensational game like he did tonight, you still can't resist calling in him out when it was Paul Pierce who cost us the game.  We all know he has flaws and he's improved on a lot of them.  It's just not the time...very anticlamatic when he's coming off another usual great triple double.  Makes no sense at all

Last I checked, this was a blog that allows people to write about what they want.  I felt like I should give my opinion on Rondo.  He played great, made one bad mistake at the end, and we lost.  Please explain to me how that doesn't make sense.

Yea...that guy who lost and fumbled the ball was clearly Rondo.  I'm done.  Have a ball with  your Rondo hate you call love.

What the heck.  I'll bite.

Ok, let's break down those two turnovers:

65% on Terry.  35% on Pierce.  From what I remember, Terry didn't hold the ball out away from his chest, but rather towards Pierce.  Smith poked it away easily, but you could make the argument that Paul could've handled it.  So Terry and Pierce get blame, are you satisfied?

70% on Rondo.  30% on Pierce.  Not only did Rondo assume that Pierce was going to be open for the pass, once he realized this anticipation was wrong, he threw a very difficult pass to Paul that Pierce was unfortunately unable to control.  Rondo needs to be smarter and keep his dribble there.  In late-clock situations, plays you draw up can break down, and you need to be ready for that.  I fault Rondo.

Finally, when did I say Rondo lost us the game?   Heck, when did I say Rondo had a bad game?  I said he probably cost us a chance to tie the game, but at least he tried for a couple steals in the closing moments.  I give him credit for that.

Get your facts straight before calling me out.

Ball had to be with Pierce.

They coulda fouled Rondo, and two FTs, made or miss, likely would have resulted in an easy L, especially with no TO's left.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: crimson_stallion on January 24, 2013, 11:50:22 PM
Coming into the season, Rondo was expected to be this guy.  Unfortunately, his jumper, while improved, isn't respectable enough to the point where teams are going to fight over screens for him.

Until Rondo can get a good, solid jumper, he won't be an ideal option for a crunch-time bucket.  If he can, though, he'll be deadly.  That mixture of jump-shooting, driving ability, and passing is scary.

We get it.  You don't like Rondo and you would blame him no matter how good he is or how sensational he is such as tonight's game.  It's getting old

Why do you people get so defenseive?  The above poster didn't say anything anti-Rondo, all he sais is that Rondo doesn't have what it takes to be a go-to guy, and he's absolutely right.  Its no knock against Rondo, that's just not his game.

For example, when was the last time you saw Rondo average 20 PPG over a 10 game stretch in the regular season?  Has he ever done it in his entire career? Even in the Playoffs?

To be a go-to guy you don't only need to be a capable scorer, you need to be a DOMINANT scorer.  You need to be able to score in a variety of ways - Paul Pierce and Carmello Anthony are perfect examples.  Those guys can shoot the three, post up, score off the dribble, get to the foul line, pull up from midrange.  They are professional scorers, and if you take away one of their scoring options, they can beat you with two or three other ways.

Rondo simple doesn't have that in his game.  He will have certain games where he's hot and everything is falling, but those days will happen maybe once or twice a month if that.  Otherwise he can Gove you double figure points every night, but that's about the extent of it.

Think of Rondo as a new-school John Stockton - an exceptional PG, but he needs his Karl Malone by his side to handle the scoring burden. 

I've been saying it for months now, we will not have a primary scorer when Pierce retires.  Look at us now - Pierce is out go-to guy and yes l, he's still an elite scorer, but he's got a lot of mileage on that body and he can't so it every night anymore.  KG is a guy who prefers to play defense, rebound and do the little things - he's never been a shoot-first guy.  Rondo as above is a pass first guy with a limited scoring game.  Barbosa has always been streaky.  Lee has never been much more (offensively) than a support player.

The only guys we have who have the talent to take on this Role are Terry (who's struggling) and Green (who's yet to find consitency and motivation). 
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: BballTim on January 25, 2013, 06:58:07 AM
Coming into the season, Rondo was expected to be this guy.  Unfortunately, his jumper, while improved, isn't respectable enough to the point where teams are going to fight over screens for him.

Until Rondo can get a good, solid jumper, he won't be an ideal option for a crunch-time bucket.  If he can, though, he'll be deadly.  That mixture of jump-shooting, driving ability, and passing is scary.

We get it.  You don't like Rondo and you would blame him no matter how good he is or how sensational he is such as tonight's game.  It's getting old
No, we get it. You worship at Rondo's altar. His triple doubles are "sensational", and when he has 9 turnovers, or turns it over because he just needs to get someone an alley-oop rather than a layup for himself, that's just bad luck.

  It's pretty frustrating having to watch so many games with the only point guard in the league that ever turns the ball over or makes a bad decision.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: OmarSekou on January 25, 2013, 08:17:20 AM
I think it should be Rondo for the first 3 quarters and Pierce for the 4th.

Rondo can dominate offensively when teams aren't keyed in toward stopping him. He can either beat his man off the dribble and score/create or hit that elbow jumper when his man slacks off him. However, in the 4th quarter when teams double and trap him, he struggles. I saw it most in the Chicago game where they let him do what he wanted for three and clamped down on him in the end.

Pierce doesn't have to worry about getting doubled or trapped as much because he doesn't need to get inside the paint to be consistently effective. If teams do try and trap him, there's a lot more space open on the court which gives other guys better looks.

And KG just needs to show up. For all the talk of consistency (and the guy's my favorite player all time) there are too many games this season when he hasn't brought it offensively.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Roy H. on January 25, 2013, 08:22:55 AM
I thought Rondo did a pretty good job down the stretch last night.  He was attacking the defense for the most part.  Yes, he made some bonehead plays, but he was the only one stepping up at all.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: slamtheking on January 25, 2013, 08:31:47 AM
I thought Rondo did a pretty good job down the stretch last night.  He was attacking the defense for the most part.  Yes, he made some bonehead plays, but he was the only one stepping up at all.
That's how I saw it as well.  Rondo was the only one trying to make the big plays with some success.  The rest of the team just looked like they weren't up to the challenge down the stretch (putting it kindly).
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: vinnie on January 25, 2013, 09:49:41 AM
This team absolutely does not have a go to guy. At this point, Rondo is the closest they have.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: ssspence on January 25, 2013, 09:52:15 AM
Jeff Green. Maybe he'd score 30 some night, then we can trade him.

Seriously speaking, if Rondo becomes our 'go to guy', this team is in serious trouble.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: CapnDunks on January 25, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
It should have been Jason Terry. He was brought here to replace Ray and he hasn't been anywhere close. Ray has been hitting clutch 3 after clutch 3 for Miami and Jet really has no business in the rotation right now.

This. It has to be Terry or he should be traded even though his stock is in the basement. I gave him benefit of the doubt because of how he was being used etc. He misses open shots and I can count his aggressive plays this season on one hand. I'm not waiting for the playoffs to see if he gets it together. Biggest disappointment of the season imo. He can afford to have that tattoo removed.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 25, 2013, 10:07:25 AM
I thought Rondo did a pretty good job down the stretch last night.  He was attacking the defense for the most part.  Yes, he made some bonehead plays, but he was the only one stepping up at all.

Other than those boneheaded plays, I really liked how Rondo played. Did just about most that I ask of him to do in a consistent basis. Active defensively, pushed the ball, rarely walked the ball, rarely stood around at the top of the key pounding the ball doing nothing.

Boneheaded plays aside, he plays like this, or similar, in a consistent basis there would be no reason in this forum to bash Rondo... but it's the consistency aspect that is the crux of his problem, always has been.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: clover on January 25, 2013, 10:10:10 AM
It should have been Jason Terry. He was brought here to replace Ray and he hasn't been anywhere close. Ray has been hitting clutch 3 after clutch 3 for Miami and Jet really has no business in the rotation right now.

This. It has to be Terry or he should be traded even though his stock is in the basement. I gave him benefit of the doubt because of how he was being used etc. He misses open shots and I can count his aggressive plays this season on one hand. I'm not waiting for the playoffs to see if he gets it together. Biggest disappointment of the season imo. He can afford to have that tattoo removed.

JET's another old man.  Dalla knew what they were doing when they let him go.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: CapnDunks on January 25, 2013, 10:18:05 AM
It should have been Jason Terry. He was brought here to replace Ray and he hasn't been anywhere close. Ray has been hitting clutch 3 after clutch 3 for Miami and Jet really has no business in the rotation right now.

This. It has to be Terry or he should be traded even though his stock is in the basement. I gave him benefit of the doubt because of how he was being used etc. He misses open shots and I can count his aggressive plays this season on one hand. I'm not waiting for the playoffs to see if he gets it together. Biggest disappointment of the season imo. He can afford to have that tattoo removed.

JET's another old man.  Dalla knew what they were doing when they let him go.

True enough, but it's a big dropoff for a year or two. I remember hating him in a game at the garden last season. Looked up the highlights, he's dribble driving past rondo and he's hitting spot up corner 3's down the stretch. I think he's lost confidence as much as anything.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Evantime34 on January 25, 2013, 10:46:29 AM
I think Pierce's legs are getting worn out. Would love to see Doc give him a rest for a game every now and then.

Too often the Celtics are giving the ball to Pierce and watching. Having him out would force others to create for themselves, which would pay dividends long term.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 25, 2013, 10:56:04 AM
I thought Rondo did a pretty good job down the stretch last night.  He was attacking the defense for the most part.  Yes, he made some bonehead plays, but he was the only one stepping up at all.

Other than those boneheaded plays, I really liked how Rondo played. Did just about most that I ask of him to do in a consistent basis. Active defensively, pushed the ball, rarely walked the ball, rarely stood around at the top of the key pounding the ball doing nothing.

Boneheaded plays aside, he plays like this, or similar, in a consistent basis there would be no reason in this forum to bash Rondo... but it's the consistency aspect that is the crux of his problem, always has been.

Rondo in attack mode is when he is at his best. He had a good number of drives and lay ups last night throughout the game and really turned it on in the fourth. More aggression from him on offense is, and has always been, needed/wanted.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 25, 2013, 10:57:35 AM
I think Pierce's legs are getting worn out. Would love to see Doc give him a rest for a game every now and then.

Too often the Celtics are giving the ball to Pierce and watching. Having him out would force others to create for themselves, which would pay dividends long term.

Pierce is playing a lot of minutes consecutively. I wouldnt mind seeing Pierce on a 5 minutes on 5 minutes off plan such as Garnett. Pierce just looks like he has no lift and that his legs are dead tired. I would rather see Green play the long consecutive minutes and give Pierce more sort stints in the game.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: MBunge on January 25, 2013, 10:59:43 AM
I think he's lost confidence as much as anything.

Doc misused Terry from day one and kept playing him in that ill-fitting role.  Now that Avery's back, Doc needs to settle on either Lee or Jet as the main guard off the bench and let that guy get comfortable in the role.  I'd rather see Lee or Terry place 25 to 30 minutes, rather than each getting 14 or 15.

Mike
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 25, 2013, 11:02:13 AM
Rondo is the closest thing we have to a go to guy right now. I think he has it in him to be that guy.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 25, 2013, 11:04:43 AM
I think he's lost confidence as much as anything.

Doc misused Terry from day one and kept playing him in that ill-fitting role.  Now that Avery's back, Doc needs to settle on either Lee or Jet as the main guard off the bench and let that guy get comfortable in the role.  I'd rather see Lee or Terry place 25 to 30 minutes, rather than each getting 14 or 15.

Mike

Yeah as much as I'd like to see them both on the floor I think this does make sense. And right now I would be giving Lee the 25 minutes a game. He is a better defender and right now is in a better place for us offensively. Terry is being misused and unless Doc figures out plays to use him better than things arent going to work out for him like we hope. He isnt ray allen and is better in the pick and roll game.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Donoghus on January 25, 2013, 11:15:19 AM
This team doesn't have a go-to guy right now.

Pierce has been the guy in the past.  Rondo was our best plaer on the floor last night (and on most nights) by far yet I don't think he's a go-to guy right now.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: kgainez on January 25, 2013, 05:28:50 PM
There's two different Paul's

There's Vintage Paul who will light you up and put on skates with his footwork.

Then there's Desperate Paul. And I've seen desperation too much from him. He wants to force his Vintage to come out and it doesn't always show up. So he chucks up shots. Doesn't pass the ball. And tries to do spin moves and fancy feet and he tries to draw the vet fouls and it just gets tiring.

I want Vintage Paul to take that shot any night. But last night Paul DID decide to be more of a captain and acknowledge his flaws in the second half. He passed the ball much more. Lots more ball movement. But I think in that, he got too caught up with being a 'decoy' and lost focus and/or confidence. He didn't take that wide open shot (which I understand why he didn't) and he had those last moment lapses and fumbles.

He has to be better at distinguishing between his two personalities and how to help his team better. But, he is the captain. And in clutch moments, he has to be that.

Our new go to? Rondo
He made the last 6 points last night. And we kept getting stops when we got within 2 and all of a sudden Rondo didn't want to hit any more shots...this happened like 3 or 4 trips. He shoulda taken another shot...he was making them.

Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 25, 2013, 08:41:30 PM
Bass with 0 points and 2 rebounds 1 assist and 1 steal. 

And the stats look better than he played.
Title: Re: Our new go to guy
Post by: dark_lord on January 25, 2013, 08:56:46 PM
There's two different Paul's

There's Vintage Paul who will light you up and put on skates with his footwork.

Then there's Desperate Paul. And I've seen desperation too much from him. He wants to force his Vintage to come out and it doesn't always show up. So he chucks up shots. Doesn't pass the ball. And tries to do spin moves and fancy feet and he tries to draw the vet fouls and it just gets tiring.

I want Vintage Paul to take that shot any night. But last night Paul DID decide to be more of a captain and acknowledge his flaws in the second half. He passed the ball much more. Lots more ball movement. But I think in that, he got too caught up with being a 'decoy' and lost focus and/or confidence. He didn't take that wide open shot (which I understand why he didn't) and he had those last moment lapses and fumbles.

He has to be better at distinguishing between his two personalities and how to help his team better. But, he is the captain. And in clutch moments, he has to be that.

Our new go to? Rondo
He made the last 6 points last night. And we kept getting stops when we got within 2 and all of a sudden Rondo didn't want to hit any more shots...this happened like 3 or 4 trips. He shoulda taken another shot...he was making them.



Lol, get use to these headers :P

There's two different Paul's

There's Vintage Paul who will light you up and put on skates with his footwork. (makes me wanna keep his jersey)

Then there's Desperate Paul. And I've seen desperation too much from him. He wants to force his Vintage to come out and it doesn't always show up. So he chucks up shots. Doesn't pass the ball. And tries to do spin moves and fancy feet and he tries to draw the vet fouls and it just gets tiring.

I want Vintage Paul to take that shot any night. But last night Paul DID decide to be more of a captain and acknowledge his flaws in the second half. He passed the ball much more. Lots more ball movement. But I think in that, he got too caught up with being a 'decoy' and lost focus and/or confidence. He didn't take that wide open shot (which I understand why he didn't) and he had those last moment lapses and fumbles.

He has to be better at distinguishing between his two personalities and how to help his team better. But, he is the captain. And in clutch moments, he has to be that.

Our new go to? Rondo
He made the last 6 points last night. And we kept getting stops when we got within 2 and all of a sudden Rondo didn't want to hit any more shots...this happened like 3 or 4 trips. He shoulda taken another shot...he was making them.

 ??? deja vu