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Title: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: OttawaCeltic on January 24, 2013, 12:51:09 PM
 Rondo is not having a good year all-around. At least for his standards. I don't know what is wrong with him, but there is something definitely wrong with him.

His defensive rating is 103. Which is still GOOD, and above average, but well below is 99 mark last year. He also doesn't get as many steals as he did 2 years ago.

His shooting percentages are up from last year, but still down compared to 2009 and 2010.

His usage rate this year is a career high. His assist percentage and assists per 48 are down from last season.

His turnovers are a career high. His free throws attempts are a career low.

I don't know what is going on with Rondo, and he is still playing like a GOOD basketball player. Yet, somehow, he has regressed from his productivity in the past couple of years, when he SHOULD be getting better.

EDIT: Why is there an advertisement in the word 'career'? And how do u get rid of it?
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Post by: ScottHow on January 24, 2013, 12:58:25 PM
OMG finally a place on Celticsblog where I can bash Rondo.  ;)
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Post by: Interceptor on January 24, 2013, 01:03:11 PM
He still can't hit free throws even when he DOES get to the line. 64%? The heck?
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Post by: indeedproceed on January 24, 2013, 01:06:21 PM

EDIT: Why is there an advertisement in the word 'career'? And how do u get rid of it?

That is a bug in your browser amigo.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: OttawaCeltic on January 24, 2013, 01:07:55 PM
He still can't hit free throws even when he DOES get to the line. 64%? The heck?

Apparently its because he has big hands. Thats why him, KD, Dirk and CWebb couldn't make those freebies... [dang]
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: OttawaCeltic on January 24, 2013, 01:09:40 PM
OMG finally a place on Celticsblog where I can bash Rondo.  ;)

You know what it is! Dont take me in a wrong way, I even bought my lil bro Rondo merchandise, but for a guy getting paid over 9mill a year and never getting blamed for this season. C'mon, even Bradley is hinting this guy isn't reliable. ::)
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 24, 2013, 01:18:48 PM
soooo.... he's a bad free throw shooter, but you want him to get to the line more. More like a few years ago when was getting whacked with impunity and hurt constantly. You'll take all those ankle sprains because what you really want to see is a few more bricked free throws.

and... you mad because he's not improving his game... after years of this board screaming for him to develop a jump shot. Now that he's hitting 48% from mid range.

and... his defensive and assist numbers are going down. You don't think it makes sense for that to be happening now that Allen is gone and Garnett and Pierce are falling apart.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: henr1k on January 24, 2013, 01:43:49 PM
Rondo is a VERY good basketball player, but unfortunately for us, Celtics fans, he is not THAT good. He is not on a Paul/Rose level where he can be the number 1 guy and carry a team on his shoulders. The sooner everyone here except that - the better.

He is what he is, a pass-first, 'shoot if I really have to', point guard who is perfect for a team with multiple offensive treats (like a 2008 BOS team) - when he can run the show, gets everyone involved and still can be somewhat dangerous on offense when attacking the basket with his speed and athleticism.

I love Rondo, he is my favorite player to watch, but I don't think you can build around a guy like Rondo, at least not with these personal on the roster.

KG and Pierce are 35 and 36 years old and its ludicrous to expect them to carry the load at this stage of their careers. Rondo was supposed to be a leader of this team and take larger burden offensively but he hasn't done anything to prove that he can do that. He is still passive most of the times, avoiding to attack the basket prolly because he doesn't won't to shoot FT. Leaders should lead by example on and off the court, they don't bump or throw balls at officials.

So, if this team is still around .500 before all-star break what is Danny's best move looking forward?

Do we hope they can still turn it around, stay put and maybe add a buyout guy like Dalembert to help with rebounding/protecting the basket?

If this team struggles now without any major injury, what can we expect next season when Doc will have to work with what he has now (no cap space) and KG and PP will be a year older.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: OttawaCeltic on January 24, 2013, 01:50:20 PM
soooo.... he's a bad free throw shooter, but you want him to get to the line more. More like a few years ago when was getting whacked with impunity and hurt constantly. You'll take all those ankle sprains because what you really want to see is a few more bricked free throws.

and... you mad because he's not improving his game... after years of this board screaming for him to develop a jump shot. Now that he's hitting 48% from mid range.

and... his defensive and assist numbers are going down. You don't think it makes sense for that to be happening now that Allen is gone and Garnett and Pierce are falling apart.

so...... we never talked about driving in more, we were talking about hitting them more, so that premise doesn't make sense.

and..... we never said we didnt admire his improvement in his J. We congrat him and tell him to improve on other major aspects in the game.

and.... his indivual defense stats don't include the other guys on the team. For his assists, he doesn't only use the two aging men, its called 'leading a team' not 'leading the big 3.' there are multiple assets on this team to use. Maybe Doc has a bit of blame in this problem, but who knows?
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Q_FBE on January 24, 2013, 02:11:34 PM
He needs to facilitate for guys like Jeff Green, Jared Sullenger, Courtney Lee, Avery Bradley and Jason Terry. They need to score baskets. He needs to stay in front of his man on defense just like the aforementioned players.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Clench123 on January 24, 2013, 02:17:16 PM
He gets those guys open look ALL the time, they're just missing.  Those guys are the ones who need to get their act togethere.  It has nothing to do with Rondo
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 24, 2013, 02:33:03 PM
Rondo is not having a good year all-around. At least for his standards. I don't know what is wrong with him, but there is something definitely wrong with him.

His defensive rating is 103. Which is still GOOD, and above average, but well below is 99 mark last year. He also doesn't get as many steals as he did 2 years ago.

His shooting percentages are up from last year, but still down compared to 2009 and 2010.

His usage rate this year is a career high. His assist percentage and assists per 48 are down from last season.

His turnovers are a career high. His free throws attempts are a career low.

I don't know what is going on with Rondo, and he is still playing like a GOOD basketball player. Yet, somehow, he has regressed from his productivity in the past couple of years, when he SHOULD be getting better.

EDIT: Why is there an advertisement in the word 'career'? And how do u get rid of it?

  You need to look at why the numbers might be different (even down). For instance, how is defensive rating calculated? Is it based on opposing pg production, and if so wouldn't the fact that he frequently guards opposing SGs affect this? His shooting percentage is down, but that's not because he's shooting worse, it's because he takes more jumpers than he used to and even good shooters make fewer jump shots than layups.

   As for his assists and turnovers, the numbers are only slightly off from last year (earlier this year they were  slightly up from last year) so that's merely fluctuations that all players see in their stats. Any time Rondo has a stat that drops from 1 year to the next people love to call that regression, I guess that's based on the (ridiculous) assumption that most stats for other players either stay the same or go up every season.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: RJ87 on January 24, 2013, 02:34:39 PM
OMG finally a place on Celticsblog where I can bash Rondo.  ;)

You know what it is! Dont take me in a wrong way, I even bought my lil bro Rondo merchandise, but for a guy getting paid over 9mill a year and never getting blamed for this season. C'mon, even Bradley is hinting this guy isn't reliable. ::)

Never blamed? Every other thread is about Rondo. That's not even an exaggeration... I was over on the Kings' SB Nation page recently (offering condolences about the team getting sold) and even they were commenting on how Rondo's being scapegoated.
And Rondo makes $9m? So what. That's a bargain. Look at what other PGs make around the league - Rose, Westbrook, CP3, Dwill, those guys make between $16m and $19m. Heck, Paul Pierce makes $16.7m.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 24, 2013, 02:46:01 PM
Wow.

I'm really sorry but something feels so wrong about coming to a Celtics fan forum and seeing a thread focused solely on bashing any one of our players.


Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Interceptor on January 24, 2013, 02:54:52 PM
Wow.

I'm really sorry but something feels so wrong about coming to a Celtics fan forum and seeing a thread focused solely on bashing any one of our players.
It's very efficient though, right?

Honestly I don't care about his FT% -- I love Rondo despite his flaws --  I just wanted to participate.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 24, 2013, 02:58:14 PM
OMG finally a place on Celticsblog where I can bash Rondo.  ;)

You know what it is! Dont take me in a wrong way, I even bought my lil bro Rondo merchandise, but for a guy getting paid over 9mill a year and never getting blamed for this season. C'mon, even Bradley is hinting this guy isn't reliable. ::)

  That's kind of like saying Bill Buckner never gets blamed for the Sox losing to the Mets.

  T
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: dark_lord on January 24, 2013, 03:01:36 PM
this thread should end up being a good one :-\
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: RyNye on January 24, 2013, 03:07:30 PM
  You need to look at why the numbers might be different (even down). For instance, how is defensive rating calculated? Is it based on opposing pg production, and if so wouldn't the fact that he frequently guards opposing SGs affect this? His shooting percentage is down, but that's not because he's shooting worse, it's because he takes more jumpers than he used to and even good shooters make fewer jump shots than layups.

   As for his assists and turnovers, the numbers are only slightly off from last year (earlier this year they were  slightly up from last year) so that's merely fluctuations that all players see in their stats. Any time Rondo has a stat that drops from 1 year to the next people love to call that regression, I guess that's based on the (ridiculous) assumption that most stats for other players either stay the same or go up every season.

You are missing the point of the original post (which, by the way, I wrote in another thread, and for some reason was copied and pasted by another poster as a new topic ...)

It's not one number going down, it is almost all of his stats slumping. And you are right, there are fluctuations in stats of all great players, even Lebron.

The thing is that almost ALL of Rondo's numbers are down this year, even taking into account his hot start. There is obviously still time for him to turn it around, and I hope that he does. But that does not change the fact that his play over the past 15-20 games has been so abysmal that it has dropped his numbers down to career worsts in many categories, even including the fact that the first 10-20 games of the year he was putting up career highs.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 24, 2013, 03:26:40 PM
  You need to look at why the numbers might be different (even down). For instance, how is defensive rating calculated? Is it based on opposing pg production, and if so wouldn't the fact that he frequently guards opposing SGs affect this? His shooting percentage is down, but that's not because he's shooting worse, it's because he takes more jumpers than he used to and even good shooters make fewer jump shots than layups.

   As for his assists and turnovers, the numbers are only slightly off from last year (earlier this year they were  slightly up from last year) so that's merely fluctuations that all players see in their stats. Any time Rondo has a stat that drops from 1 year to the next people love to call that regression, I guess that's based on the (ridiculous) assumption that most stats for other players either stay the same or go up every season.

You are missing the point of the original post (which, by the way, I wrote in another thread, and for some reason was copied and pasted by another poster as a new topic ...)

It's not one number going down, it is almost all of his stats slumping. And you are right, there are fluctuations in stats of all great players, even Lebron.

The thing is that almost ALL of Rondo's numbers are down this year, even taking into account his hot start. There is obviously still time for him to turn it around, and I hope that he does. But that does not change the fact that his play over the past 15-20 games has been so abysmal that it has dropped his numbers down to career worsts in many categories, even including the fact that the first 10-20 games of the year he was putting up career highs.

  I don't think I'm missing the point, I think you are. In 08-09 Rondo hit (from 82games) 62% of his inside shots and 38% of his jumpers. This year he's hitting 63% of his inside shots and 44% of his jumpers. He's shooting better from the inside and he's shooting better from the outside, but since he's taking more outside shots now his overall fg% is lower. You're watching Rondo get better at shooting and claiming he's getting worse.

  Also, consider his defensive rating. Any numbers based on the production of the opposing point guards will be fairly meaningless because he spends so much time guarding shooting guards. Synergy sports, which measures the productivity of the player that Rondo guards, has Rondo allowing about the same ppp as last year.

  All you've got is Rondo's career high turnovers (highest by an entire 1/10th of a turnover every 36 minutes) and an assist rate that's *slightly* lower than last year but well above his career average. I think this is a mountains from molehills situation.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 24, 2013, 03:51:20 PM
His defense is getting a little lazy, but if Bradley plays on-ball, Rnndo is one of the best at stealing from passing lanes.
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Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 24, 2013, 04:25:12 PM
Rondo has a weird shaped head.
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Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 24, 2013, 04:40:40 PM
lol...I thought every thread on here was a "Bash Rondo" thread...I guess this one is official..
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Post by: OttawaCeltic on January 24, 2013, 07:43:18 PM
Bump 8)
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Post by: CelticHooligan3 on January 24, 2013, 07:45:00 PM
Rondo has a weird shaped head.



And when you factor in the long fingers could possibly be an alien..
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: nickagneta on January 24, 2013, 08:00:26 PM
OMG finally a place on Celticsblog where I can bash Rondo.  ;)

You know what it is! Dont take me in a wrong way, I even bought my lil bro Rondo merchandise, but for a guy getting paid over 9mill a year and never getting blamed for this season. C'mon, even Bradley is hinting this guy isn't reliable. ::)
This made me laugh.

People are complaining(me included) that Jeff Green is a bad signing for $9 million a year. others are trying to say that a $9 million a year contract for a player of Green's caliber is market value.

Yet here you are kind of complaining about Rondo making $9 million a year when that deal is now almost universally being lauded as one of the best value contracts in the league.

$9 million a year for a top 15-20 player in the league, and yes, that is what Rondo is, is a HUGE bargain. You might be the only guy on the blog somewhat complaining about what Rondo earns for a salary.
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Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 24, 2013, 08:23:45 PM
Yup  Rondo is strange looking guy...he should have been cast in the new Terminator 5 movie.
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Post by: Birdman on January 24, 2013, 08:43:49 PM
Yup  Rondo is strange looking guy...he should have been cast in the new Terminator 5 movie.
theres going to be a part 5??
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 24, 2013, 09:16:05 PM
Rondo has a weird shaped head.

  That's necessary to house the overly large basketball brain Doc always talks about.
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Post by: The Rondo Show on January 24, 2013, 10:39:56 PM
This needs to stop
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Post by: esel1000 on January 24, 2013, 10:42:50 PM
rondo was the only reason we were in this game at the end... bash the right players
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Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 24, 2013, 10:45:36 PM
Rondo played incredible down the stretch, but he made one critical mistake.

On our last possession, he picked up his dribble, anticipating that Pierce was going to come off the screen clean.  I know Shumpert was guarding him, but if you're Rondo, you keep that dribble alive.

What if Pierce doesn't come off (which is what happened)?  What do you do now?  You've got a great defender who's taller than you, and its unlikely any teammates are coming to get the ball.  Oh, I almost forgot, you have no timeouts.

Again, great game for Rajon, but that decision might have cost us a chance to tie the game.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 24, 2013, 10:47:44 PM
Solid triple double. Again. It's not Rondo. Period. Blame Pierce all you want.
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Post by: Clench123 on January 24, 2013, 10:48:17 PM
Still blaming Rondo?

It's disgusting how ungrateful pepole are to this guy.  People should be ashamed of themselves
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Post by: RJ87 on January 24, 2013, 10:49:30 PM
Rondo played incredible down the stretch, but he made one critical mistake.

On our last possession, he picked up his dribble, anticipating that Pierce was going to come off the screen clean.  I know Shumpert was guarding him, but if you're Rondo, you keep that dribble alive.

What if Pierce doesn't come off (which is what happened)?  What do you do now?  You've got a great defender who's taller than you, and its unlikely any teammates are coming to get the ball.  Oh, I almost forgot, you have no timeouts.

Again, great game for Rajon, but that decision might have cost us a chance to tie the game.

Basically what Rondo should've done was clone himself so he could cleanly catch his own pass.

That's what really cost us the game.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: European NBA fan on January 24, 2013, 10:51:28 PM
Rondo played incredible down the stretch, but he made one critical mistake.

On our last possession, he picked up his dribble, anticipating that Pierce was going to come off the screen clean.  I know Shumpert was guarding him, but if you're Rondo, you keep that dribble alive.

What if Pierce doesn't come off (which is what happened)?  What do you do now?  You've got a great defender who's taller than you, and its unlikely any teammates are coming to get the ball.  Oh, I almost forgot, you have no timeouts.

Again, great game for Rajon, but that decision might have cost us a chance to tie the game.

That's not a mistake or a bad decision. That's execution. You can't lose a game on the final possession, unless you blow an open layup or something like that.
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Post by: The Rondo Show on January 24, 2013, 10:53:50 PM
Rondo played incredible down the stretch, but he made one critical mistake.

On our last possession, he picked up his dribble, anticipating that Pierce was going to come off the screen clean.  I know Shumpert was guarding him, but if you're Rondo, you keep that dribble alive.

What if Pierce doesn't come off (which is what happened)?  What do you do now?  You've got a great defender who's taller than you, and its unlikely any teammates are coming to get the ball.  Oh, I almost forgot, you have no timeouts.

Again, great game for Rajon, but that decision might have cost us a chance to tie the game.

Basically what Rondo should've done was clone himself so he could cleanly catch his own pass.

That's what really cost us the game.

Obviously!!!
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Post by: FatjohnReturns on January 24, 2013, 10:55:29 PM
Rondo played well tonight. We just didnt win. It happens
 
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Post by: KGs Knee on January 24, 2013, 10:57:27 PM
Rondo played incredible down the stretch, but he made one critical mistake.

On our last possession, he picked up his dribble, anticipating that Pierce was going to come off the screen clean.  I know Shumpert was guarding him, but if you're Rondo, you keep that dribble alive.

What if Pierce doesn't come off (which is what happened)?  What do you do now?  You've got a great defender who's taller than you, and its unlikely any teammates are coming to get the ball.  Oh, I almost forgot, you have no timeouts.

Again, great game for Rajon, but that decision might have cost us a chance to tie the game.

Rondo's mistake was passing ball to Pierce at all.  Pierce was playing like hot garbage.

I would have rather seen Rondo take the 3 himself (and yes, I realize it likely wouldn't have gone in).  At least we would have gotten a shot.
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Post by: Jay D on January 24, 2013, 11:22:56 PM
Rondo played incredible down the stretch, but he made one critical mistake.

On our last possession, he picked up his dribble, anticipating that Pierce was going to come off the screen clean.  I know Shumpert was guarding him, but if you're Rondo, you keep that dribble alive.

What if Pierce doesn't come off (which is what happened)?  What do you do now?  You've got a great defender who's taller than you, and its unlikely any teammates are coming to get the ball.  Oh, I almost forgot, you have no timeouts.

Again, great game for Rajon, but that decision might have cost us a chance to tie the game.

Rondo's mistake was passing ball to Pierce at all.  Pierce was playing like hot garbage.

I would have rather seen Rondo take the 3 himself (and yes, I realize it likely wouldn't have gone in).  At least we would have gotten a shot.

I kinda wanted Rondo to take the shot as well. But this thread would have gone to 30 pages in a minute if he had taken it and missed...
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Q_FBE on January 24, 2013, 11:38:54 PM
Rondo did not play a bad game tonight against tje Knicks but he made some mistakes that took points off the board. Sadly Pierce and KG cannot keep up with Rondo. So I think Rondo and KG  need  to be traded to kick start the rebuilding process. After  last years miraculous run to Game Seven of the ECF, I knew that we had milked the Pierce, Garnett, Ray Allen,  and Rondo era.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2013, 12:01:42 AM
Im bashing Rondo tonight for putting a triple double and not making enough plays to win the game.

Once again, I hope he gets traded already, quickly, ASAP. He does not deserve the treatment some, if not majority of the fans give him. Despite a monster game, its still somehow his fault.

Trade hin to a place where he'll be appreciated.
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Post by: OttawaCeltic on January 28, 2013, 10:08:58 PM
 8)
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Post by: vinnie on January 28, 2013, 10:41:03 PM
8)

I don't get it. Are you happy that Rondo tore his ACL and is out for the season?
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Post by: KGs Knee on January 28, 2013, 10:43:38 PM
8)

I don't get it. Are you happy that Rondo tore his ACL and is out for the season?

What is there not to get?

There is obviously a substantial number of posters here on this blog that are seriously sick in the head.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: vinnie on January 28, 2013, 10:51:34 PM
8)

I don't get it. Are you happy that Rondo tore his ACL and is out for the season?

What is there not to get?

There is obviously a substantial number of posters here on this blog that are seriously sick in the head.

It really is beyond sick if this is what the poster meant.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: nickagneta on January 28, 2013, 11:12:33 PM
One positive, and it really might be the ONLY positive of Rondo's injury, the complete lack of "Trade Rondo" and "Bash Rondo" threads that will be popping up until next year.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 28, 2013, 11:13:44 PM
Rondo played incredible down the stretch, but he made one critical mistake.

On our last possession, he picked up his dribble, anticipating that Pierce was going to come off the screen clean.  I know Shumpert was guarding him, but if you're Rondo, you keep that dribble alive.

What if Pierce doesn't come off (which is what happened)?  What do you do now?  You've got a great defender who's taller than you, and its unlikely any teammates are coming to get the ball.  Oh, I almost forgot, you have no timeouts.


  Not sure how this thread got to the top, but this is worth commenting on. The statement "its unlikely any teammates are coming to get the ball" is true, and it's a problem that crops up from time to time. Don't remember if it was the Knicks or the Hawks game but there was a play where Bass picked up his dribble at the top of the key, wanting to pass to Rondo. Rondo was covered closely by the opposing pg and after 4-5 seconds Bass passed him the ball anyways, resulting in a steal and a layup for the other team. The worst part of the play was 3 guys on offense standing still and watching the scene unfold, doing nothing when the play was going south.
 
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: triboy16f on January 28, 2013, 11:17:12 PM
I can't hate on a guy that has helped us win a ring.

I just think now that Rondo has matured and is his own man (not having doc scream at him after every possession), he is not the right pg for our team moving forward.

He doesn't care about playing traditional defense and has forgotten to make passes for the high percentage shot. The passes he makes to 70 percent of the time is to kg and pp and the rest to everyone else. This is not the way to play team basketball.  I don't think he has alot of faith or trust

We will see better basketball without him.

In my ideal world, Rondo would come off the bench and still get his triple double, and help us win. But in terms of starting and ending the game i like lee and bradley better. It just more nuts and bolts to start and finish the game. Everyone will get into better habits of playing defense and sharing the ball on offense
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: KGs Knee on January 28, 2013, 11:19:53 PM
One positive, and it really might be the ONLY positive of Rondo's injury, the complete lack of "Trade Rondo" and "Bash Rondo" threads that will be popping up until next year.

Don't hold your breath.  The insanity of this board knows no bounds.


I'm seriouisly thinking of taking a break from coming here due to the absurdity level that exists here right now.  And it isn't something I'm happy about, I love this forum.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: triboy16f on January 28, 2013, 11:25:45 PM
One positive, and it really might be the ONLY positive of Rondo's injury, the complete lack of "Trade Rondo" and "Bash Rondo" threads that will be popping up until next year.

Don't hold your breath.  The insanity of this board knows no bounds.


I'm seriouisly thinking of taking a break from coming here due to the absurdity level that exists here right now.  And it isn't something I'm happy about, I love this forum.

you can feel the insanity but also enjoy more victories now.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Celtics18 on January 28, 2013, 11:26:54 PM
I can't hate on a guy that has helped us win a ring.

I just think now that Rondo has matured and is his own man (not having doc scream at him after every possession), he is not the right pg for our team moving forward.

He doesn't care about playing traditional defense and has forgotten to make passes for the high percentage shot. The passes he makes to 70 percent of the time is to kg and pp and the rest to everyone else. This is not the way to play team basketball.  I don't think he has alot of faith or trust

We will see better basketball without him.

In my ideal world, Rondo would come off the bench and still get his triple double, and help us win. But in terms of starting and ending the game i like lee and bradley better. It just more nuts and bolts to start and finish the game. Everyone will get into better habits of playing defense and sharing the ball on offense

Don't sell yourself short.  You did a fine job. 
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: KGs Knee on January 28, 2013, 11:28:48 PM
I can't hate on a guy that has helped us win a ring.

I just think now that Rondo has matured and is his own man (not having doc scream at him after every possession), he is not the right pg for our team moving forward.

He doesn't care about playing traditional defense and has forgotten to make passes for the high percentage shot. The passes he makes to 70 percent of the time is to kg and pp and the rest to everyone else. This is not the way to play team basketball.  I don't think he has alot of faith or trust

We will see better basketball without him.

In my ideal world, Rondo would come off the bench and still get his triple double, and help us win. But in terms of starting and ending the game i like lee and bradley better. It just more nuts and bolts to start and finish the game. Everyone will get into better habits of playing defense and sharing the ball on offense

Don't sell yourself short.  You did a fine job.

This made me laugh.  Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: nickagneta on January 28, 2013, 11:31:18 PM
One positive, and it really might be the ONLY positive of Rondo's injury, the complete lack of "Trade Rondo" and "Bash Rondo" threads that will be popping up until next year.

Don't hold your breath.  The insanity of this board knows no bounds.


I'm seriouisly thinking of taking a break from coming here due to the absurdity level that exists here right now.  And it isn't something I'm happy about, I love this forum.

you can feel the insanity but also enjoy more victories now.
I seriously doubt this team wins more without Rondo.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: triboy16f on January 28, 2013, 11:38:16 PM
One positive, and it really might be the ONLY positive of Rondo's injury, the complete lack of "Trade Rondo" and "Bash Rondo" threads that will be popping up until next year.

Don't hold your breath.  The insanity of this board knows no bounds.


I'm seriouisly thinking of taking a break from coming here due to the absurdity level that exists here right now.  And it isn't something I'm happy about, I love this forum.

you can feel the insanity but also enjoy more victories now.
I seriously doubt this team wins more without Rondo.

how can that be possible when we were on a 6 game losing streak and having horrendous year so far with him in the lineup?? That's like saying kate moss can't get any skinnier

We are 2-0 (with bradley) without him against two top teams. I smell another winning run coming
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: KGs Knee on January 28, 2013, 11:42:44 PM
I'll tell you what, I'll play along for just one brief moment.  Maybe the team will play better without Rondo for a period of time.

The one thing I've noticed this year is that most all of the players on this team seem to defer to Rondo, even KG/Pierce to a point.  They've become dependant on his exceptional play-making ability.  As a result, it seems the effectiveness of these other players is entirely tied to how well Rondo plays in any particular game. On the whole, it may, at times, actually be a detriment to the individual games of the rest of the roster in some aspects.

This is absolutely NOT Rondo's fault, however.  It is the fault of the coaching staff and the other players on the roster.  These are highly paid professionals.  It is inexcusable they rely so heavily on one player to "pick them up".

So, going forward, maybe now that the teams security blanket is gone, they'll be forced to sink or swim on thier own, and have to pick up their play.  It happens in sports all the time.  The "lead dog" goes down and the troops rally.

At the end of the day though, in basketball a team only can go as far as it's best player can take it.  Point blank, Rondo is this teams best player.  There will be no  title coming to Boston this year.  Which at the end of the day, is really all that matters here in Boston. Or at least that seems to be the company line.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: nickagneta on January 28, 2013, 11:44:40 PM
One positive, and it really might be the ONLY positive of Rondo's injury, the complete lack of "Trade Rondo" and "Bash Rondo" threads that will be popping up until next year.

Don't hold your breath.  The insanity of this board knows no bounds.


I'm seriouisly thinking of taking a break from coming here due to the absurdity level that exists here right now.  And it isn't something I'm happy about, I love this forum.

you can feel the insanity but also enjoy more victories now.
I seriously doubt this team wins more without Rondo.

how can that be possible when we were on a 6 game losing streak and horrendous year so far with him in the lineup?? That's like saying kate moss can't get any skinnier

We are 2-0 without him against two top teams. I smell another winning run coming
Do you have ANY idea how many games this team has won WITH Rondo in the lineup over the years? Do you have any idea how bad his team around him has gotten over the years? Do you have any idea how long the rest of the season is?

If the C's win 20 games the rest of the season I will eat my computer. If they don't win 20 games the chances of them making it to the playoffs and winning more games ends.

If Rondo was playing I am convinced this team makes the playoffs. If they do not make the playoffs then I will be 1000% sure they lost more games without Rondo than they would have with Rondo.

2 Games, short term is nothing. The rest of the season is the real test. What is happening in those games the C's lost this year when Rondo isn't playing huge. Simple. The C's don't win those games, they still lose them. And those games they would have run had Rondo been there or because of Rondo, my guess is lots more losses.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: wahz on January 28, 2013, 11:53:05 PM
One positive, and it really might be the ONLY positive of Rondo's injury, the complete lack of "Trade Rondo" and "Bash Rondo" threads that will be popping up until next year.

Don't hold your breath.  The insanity of this board knows no bounds.


I'm seriouisly thinking of taking a break from coming here due to the absurdity level that exists here right now.  And it isn't something I'm happy about, I love this forum.

you can feel the insanity but also enjoy more victories now.
I seriously doubt this team wins more without Rondo.

how can that be possible when we were on a 6 game losing streak and horrendous year so far with him in the lineup?? That's like saying kate moss can't get any skinnier

We are 2-0 without him against two top teams. I smell another winning run coming
Do you have ANY idea how many games this team has won WITH Rondo in the lineup over the years? Do you have any idea how bad his team around him has gotten over the years? Do you have any idea how long the rest of the season is?

If the C's win 20 games the rest of the season I will eat my computer. If they don't win 20 games the chances of them making it to the playoffs and winning more games ends.

If Rondo was playing I am convinced this team makes the playoffs. If they do not make the playoffs then I will be 1000% sure they lost more games without Rondo than they would have with Rondo.

2 Games, short term is nothing. The rest of the season is the real test. What is happening in those games the C's lost this year when Rondo isn't playing huge. Simple. The C's don't win those games, they still lose them. And those games they would have run had Rondo been there or because of Rondo, my guess is lots more losses.

Nick, Imho, you have about a 100% chance of eating your computer if we stand pat. Your only chance is that Da blows it up. Just imho
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Galeto on January 28, 2013, 11:54:31 PM
Rondo was a great individual player who had improved immensely from when he entered the league.  I was re-watching the 2008 Finals and in terms of confidence and skill-level, that Rondo was unrecognizable.  That said, I've absolutely hated how he's run this team.  The Celtics haven't been a team these past few years so much as they've been a showcase for Rondo.  Not even Lebron or Kobe has dominated the ball as much as Rondo has during this Rondo Era and to what end?  To produce a terrible offense? 

Re-watching the 2008 Finals, I couldn't believe how different the offense was.  The ball movement was spectacular.  It moved from side to side, nobody really held the ball for too long, not even Rondo and the action was decisive.  Multiple guys brought the ball up.  Hell, I saw Ray grab a rebound and dribble the ball up the court without Rondo running up to him and shouting for the ball like it was middle school.  There weren't any of those stupid 1-5 side pick and pops where everyone else just stands on the other side of the court.  Slow walking the ball up the court for no reason was practically non-existent.  I don't care if the players are older now.  Why does that mean there has to be less ball movement.  When is less ball movement a good thing?

The biggest gripe I've had about Rondo is that the ball movement is so much better when he's not out there. When you're point guard is the biggest impediment to ball movement, he's doing something massively wrong. 

Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 28, 2013, 11:55:30 PM
20 more wins is easily achievable. I want 27 or more.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Onslaught on January 28, 2013, 11:55:59 PM
There is a small part of me that wants Boston just just fail now. The ONLY reason is so these anti Rondo people will see the light.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: KGs Knee on January 28, 2013, 11:56:20 PM
If the C's win 20 games the rest of the season I will eat my computer.

Dang it, just for this alone I hope they do (that, and despite how much I love Rondo I do still root for the team and want them to succeed).

I would pay good money to see you eat your computer.  Unfortunately you're probably right.


By the way, I'm pretty sure you've used this line in the past.  How about some creativity.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: PhoSita on January 28, 2013, 11:58:12 PM
I just don't understand the rationale of a person who posts a "Bash Rondo Thread" the day after Rondo tears his ACL.  Seriously, what the buck?
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Celtics18 on January 28, 2013, 11:59:08 PM
One positive, and it really might be the ONLY positive of Rondo's injury, the complete lack of "Trade Rondo" and "Bash Rondo" threads that will be popping up until next year.

Don't hold your breath.  The insanity of this board knows no bounds.


I'm seriouisly thinking of taking a break from coming here due to the absurdity level that exists here right now.  And it isn't something I'm happy about, I love this forum.

you can feel the insanity but also enjoy more victories now.
I seriously doubt this team wins more without Rondo.

how can that be possible when we were on a 6 game losing streak and horrendous year so far with him in the lineup?? That's like saying kate moss can't get any skinnier

We are 2-0 without him against two top teams. I smell another winning run coming
Do you have ANY idea how many games this team has won WITH Rondo in the lineup over the years? Do you have any idea how bad his team around him has gotten over the years? Do you have any idea how long the rest of the season is?

If the C's win 20 games the rest of the season I will eat my computer. If they don't win 20 games the chances of them making it to the playoffs and winning more games ends.

If Rondo was playing I am convinced this team makes the playoffs. If they do not make the playoffs then I will be 1000% sure they lost more games without Rondo than they would have with Rondo.

2 Games, short term is nothing. The rest of the season is the real test. What is happening in those games the C's lost this year when Rondo isn't playing huge. Simple. The C's don't win those games, they still lose them. And those games they would have run had Rondo been there or because of Rondo, my guess is lots more losses.

I have a delicious spicy mustard sauce that goes really well with lap top, desk top, or even handheld, personal, tabletty type device.  I'll give you the recipe at the end of the season. 
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Onslaught on January 28, 2013, 11:59:36 PM
I just don't understand the rationale of a person who posts a "Bash Rondo Thread" the day after Rondo tears his ACL.  Seriously, what the buck?
I'm shocked at the lack of class displayed here the last 24 hours.  I'd think it was a Heat Forum.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Galeto on January 29, 2013, 12:04:28 AM
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Do you have ANY idea how many games this team has won WITH Rondo in the lineup over the years?

Uhh, you realize it wasn't just Rondo winning those games?  To frame your question another way, do you have ANY idea how many games this team has won WITH PIERCE and GARNETT in the lineup over the years?  I hope you do.  They've actually won at a slightly better clip.  And now there is more talent on the roster.  When Rondo was out last year, Pierce and Garnett had to play at an extremely high level because the talent around them was pretty bare.  Not the case this year. 

There is still a lot of talent of this team and most importantly, there are enough playmakers to make up for the loss of Rondo's playmaking.  If KG had gone down instead, I'd be all doom and gloom because his defense is irreplaceable on this roster.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Galeto on January 29, 2013, 12:06:25 AM
There is a small part of me that wants Boston just just fail now. The ONLY reason is so these anti Rondo people will see the light.

Alright.  What's the light to see?  That Rondo was a great individual player whose ball hogging ways is actually the best way to play basketball?
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Onslaught on January 29, 2013, 12:07:08 AM
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Do you have ANY idea how many games this team has won WITH Rondo in the lineup over the years?

Uhh, you realize it wasn't just Rondo winning those games?  To frame your question another way, do you have ANY idea how many games this team has won WITH PIERCE and GARNETT in the lineup over the years?  I hope you do.  They've actually won at a slightly better clip.  And now there is more talent on the roster.  When Rondo was out last year, Pierce and Garnett had to play at an extremely high level because the talent around them was pretty bare.  Not the case this year. 

There is still a lot of talent of this team and most importantly, there are enough playmakers to make up for the loss of Rondo's playmaking.  If KG had gone down instead, I'd be all doom and gloom because his defense is irreplaceable on this roster.
Talent on paper. So far that talent in execution has been poor. And KG and Pierce are one year older and without Ray here to help.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Galeto on January 29, 2013, 12:26:18 AM
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Do you have ANY idea how many games this team has won WITH Rondo in the lineup over the years?

Uhh, you realize it wasn't just Rondo winning those games?  To frame your question another way, do you have ANY idea how many games this team has won WITH PIERCE and GARNETT in the lineup over the years?  I hope you do.  They've actually won at a slightly better clip.  And now there is more talent on the roster.  When Rondo was out last year, Pierce and Garnett had to play at an extremely high level because the talent around them was pretty bare.  Not the case this year. 

There is still a lot of talent of this team and most importantly, there are enough playmakers to make up for the loss of Rondo's playmaking.  If KG had gone down instead, I'd be all doom and gloom because his defense is irreplaceable on this roster.
Talent on paper. So far that talent in execution has been poor. And KG and Pierce are one year older and without Ray here to help.

That new talent like Lee and Green and less with Terry have been at their best without sharing the floor with Rondo.  I don't find it that much of a surprise that Lee's played better since he's been given more ballhandling responsibilities.  Funny that guys can play more to their potential when they're not just standing around and being spot up shooters most of the time.

Personally, I don't want to think about their chances for this or for that.  I watch for entertainment and these past few years, the Celtics have been a terribly boring product.  It's freaking boring watching one guy dribble the air out of the ball or hold onto it until one guy comes free after running a 10 second obstacle course.  No team has wasted so much time doing absolutely nothing than the Celtics have.  For offensive entertainment value, they've been up their the Kings, Bucks and Wizards.  It's been bad.  They've been more fun to watch without Rondo's individual brilliance because they've played more like a team. 
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: triboy16f on January 29, 2013, 12:30:04 AM
Rondo was a great individual player who had improved immensely from when he entered the league.  I was re-watching the 2008 Finals and in terms of confidence and skill-level, that Rondo was unrecognizable.  That said, I've absolutely hated how he's run this team.  The Celtics haven't been a team these past few years so much as they've been a showcase for Rondo.  Not even Lebron or Kobe has dominated the ball as much as Rondo has during this Rondo Era and to what end?  To produce a terrible offense? 

Re-watching the 2008 Finals, I couldn't believe how different the offense was.  The ball movement was spectacular.  It moved from side to side, nobody really held the ball for too long, not even Rondo and the action was decisive.  Multiple guys brought the ball up.  Hell, I saw Ray grab a rebound and dribble the ball up the court without Rondo running up to him and shouting for the ball like it was middle school.  There weren't any of those stupid 1-5 side pick and pops where everyone else just stands on the other side of the court.  Slow walking the ball up the court for no reason was practically non-existent.  I don't care if the players are older now.  Why does that mean there has to be less ball movement.  When is less ball movement a good thing?

The biggest gripe I've had about Rondo is that the ball movement is so much better when he's not out there. When you're point guard is the biggest impediment to ball movement, he's doing something massively wrong.

you just nailed it in the head. The defense was also much better, probably because the offense was flowing better and vice versa.

Now, every single time someone gets a defensive rebound, rondo starts barking for the ball. Every time.

Its also laughable people don't want the celts to succeed without rondo. Its like its the Rondo Celtics and not the Boston Celtics. We could win it all without Rondo , and people will still want him to start next year , with everyone else traded.

I don't want Rondo gone as much as the next fan, but he won't change his ways. And doc has given up on trying to get him back to the 08 days. Something has to give
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: nickagneta on January 29, 2013, 12:37:53 AM
The whole, "Rondo is dribbling the air out of the ball and its all his fault" bellyaching is just ridiculous in my opinion.

Rondo is a runner with a team that doesn't want to run. He's running a system his coach approves of. He's playing with players that for long periods of time don't move off the ball.

He can't help it if his team mates have trouble getting open, have trouble performing the plays, are too old or unathletic to run a fast break with him or he's just doing what his coach wants him to do.

And he can't help it if a whole bunch of teams run a modified zone against the Celtics because they see what I see: no off the ball movement, a lack of inside out basketball, no fast break basketball, no low post options, and no regular, consistent three point shooters to be afraid of.

People really need to stop reading uninformed bloggers complaining of Rondo's dribbling too much and pay attention to what is happening on the court. Stop repeating stuff that you read and watch a few games like an opposing coach and see what is happening.

Sorry for the attitude but I'm getting a little sick of people spouting this BS off and not actually realizing what is happening on the court.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Galeto on January 29, 2013, 12:52:51 AM
The whole, "Rondo is dribbling the air out of the ball and its all his fault" bellyaching is just ridiculous in my opinion.

Rondo is a runner with a team that doesn't want to run. He's running a system his coach approves of. He's playing with players that for long periods of time don't move off the ball.

He can't help it if his team mates have trouble getting open, have trouble performing the plays, are too old or unathletic to run a fast break with him or he's just doing what his coach wants him to do.

And he can't help it if a whole bunch of teams run a modified zone against the Celtics because they see what I see: no off the ball movement, a lack of inside out basketball, no fast break basketball, no low post options, and no regular, consistent three point shooters to be afraid of.

People really need to stop reading uninformed bloggers complaining of Rondo's dribbling too much and pay attention to what is happening on the court. Stop repeating stuff that you read and watch a few games like an opposing coach and see what is happening.

Sorry for the attitude but I'm getting a little sick of people spouting this BS off and not actually realizing what is happening on the court.

You deserve my first ever LOL! With an exclamation mark no less.  Good job sir.  Why is the ball movement better without Rondo, can you tell me that?  If it's everyone else's fault but Rondo's for the terrible ball movement, why is it better when he's not on the court? Or maybe you don't think so.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 29, 2013, 01:01:49 AM
The whole, "Rondo is dribbling the air out of the ball and its all his fault" bellyaching is just ridiculous in my opinion.

Rondo is a runner with a team that doesn't want to run. He's running a system his coach approves of. He's playing with players that for long periods of time don't move off the ball.

He can't help it if his team mates have trouble getting open, have trouble performing the plays, are too old or unathletic to run a fast break with him or he's just doing what his coach wants him to do.

And he can't help it if a whole bunch of teams run a modified zone against the Celtics because they see what I see: no off the ball movement, a lack of inside out basketball, no fast break basketball, no low post options, and no regular, consistent three point shooters to be afraid of.

People really need to stop reading uninformed bloggers complaining of Rondo's dribbling too much and pay attention to what is happening on the court. Stop repeating stuff that you read and watch a few games like an opposing coach and see what is happening.

Sorry for the attitude but I'm getting a little sick of people spouting this BS off and not actually realizing what is happening on the court.

You deserve my first ever LOL! With an exclamation mark no less.  Good job sir.  Why is the ball movement better without Rondo, can you tell me that?  If it's everyone else's fault but Rondo's for the terrible ball movement, why is it better when he's not on the court? Or maybe you don't think so.

  I keep hearing about how well the offense flows without Rondo, I think it looks fairly disjointed. Any ideas on why that great ball movement leads to fewer assists and a lower efg%?
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: nickagneta on January 29, 2013, 01:04:28 AM
The whole, "Rondo is dribbling the air out of the ball and its all his fault" bellyaching is just ridiculous in my opinion.

Rondo is a runner with a team that doesn't want to run. He's running a system his coach approves of. He's playing with players that for long periods of time don't move off the ball.

He can't help it if his team mates have trouble getting open, have trouble performing the plays, are too old or unathletic to run a fast break with him or he's just doing what his coach wants him to do.

And he can't help it if a whole bunch of teams run a modified zone against the Celtics because they see what I see: no off the ball movement, a lack of inside out basketball, no fast break basketball, no low post options, and no regular, consistent three point shooters to be afraid of.

People really need to stop reading uninformed bloggers complaining of Rondo's dribbling too much and pay attention to what is happening on the court. Stop repeating stuff that you read and watch a few games like an opposing coach and see what is happening.

Sorry for the attitude but I'm getting a little sick of people spouting this BS off and not actually realizing what is happening on the court.

You deserve my first ever LOL! With an exclamation mark no less.  Good job sir.  Why is the ball movement better without Rondo, can you tell me that?  If it's everyone else's fault but Rondo's for the terrible ball movement, why is it better when he's not on the court? Or maybe you don't think so.
You mean the ball movement was better for ONE whole game where they were playing their biggest rival, the team that hates them more than any other, the team that took them out of the ECFs, and a team they played on a nationally televised game?

You mean the ball movement was better that whole ONE game? Yeah, good luck sustaining that.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: nickagneta on January 29, 2013, 01:05:31 AM
The whole, "Rondo is dribbling the air out of the ball and its all his fault" bellyaching is just ridiculous in my opinion.

Rondo is a runner with a team that doesn't want to run. He's running a system his coach approves of. He's playing with players that for long periods of time don't move off the ball.

He can't help it if his team mates have trouble getting open, have trouble performing the plays, are too old or unathletic to run a fast break with him or he's just doing what his coach wants him to do.

And he can't help it if a whole bunch of teams run a modified zone against the Celtics because they see what I see: no off the ball movement, a lack of inside out basketball, no fast break basketball, no low post options, and no regular, consistent three point shooters to be afraid of.

People really need to stop reading uninformed bloggers complaining of Rondo's dribbling too much and pay attention to what is happening on the court. Stop repeating stuff that you read and watch a few games like an opposing coach and see what is happening.

Sorry for the attitude but I'm getting a little sick of people spouting this BS off and not actually realizing what is happening on the court.

You deserve my first ever LOL! With an exclamation mark no less.  Good job sir.  Why is the ball movement better without Rondo, can you tell me that?  If it's everyone else's fault but Rondo's for the terrible ball movement, why is it better when he's not on the court? Or maybe you don't think so.

  I keep hearing about how well the offense flows without Rondo, I think it looks fairly disjointed. Any ideas on why that great ball movement leads to fewer assists and a lower efg%?
He doesn't have one because it doesn't exist BBall.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Edgar on January 29, 2013, 01:09:56 AM
pay attention to what is happening on the court.

this is what i pretty much want from all
theirown perspective
i learned a lot in this place
but i also realize most people NEVER analyze a game by themselves
Well...

thats why i usually disagree with most.
but well i usually see the game in a different perspective.

in this case i agree rondo is somehow not the one who deserves to be bashed
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 29, 2013, 01:18:03 AM
I just don't understand the rationale of a person who posts a "Bash Rondo Thread" the day after Rondo tears his ACL.  Seriously, what the buck?

Or maybe the person who posted this thread posted it on January 24, about 8 hours before the Knicks game...
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: nickagneta on January 29, 2013, 01:18:03 AM
Its also laughable people don't want the celts to succeed without rondo. Its like its the Rondo Celtics and not the Boston Celtics. We could win it all without Rondo , and people will still want him to start next year , with everyone else traded.

This is patently unfair. I created the "Positivity Thread" here at Celticsblog because there was so much negativity during the end of the 2010 season and 90% of this blog was predicting doom and gloom in the playoffs for this team. If I can be accused of anything its that I support the expectations of this team too much.

And a lot of people just like me are saying this season is over without Rondo.

Do not mistake, thinking the C's won't be successful the rest of the season with hoping the C's lose. I will be screaming at my television cheering them on every game I can, hoping and wishing for a win as always. I just don't see them winning the majority of their games as they are presently constructed.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: rsmrostov on January 29, 2013, 02:44:07 PM
a player of great talent, who's I is clearly ahead of the team.  Very typical for NBA, but his situation is even more intense.  I think the team where he's the key player and a star doesn't win a title.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 29, 2013, 03:13:28 PM
Rondo was a great individual player who had improved immensely from when he entered the league.  I was re-watching the 2008 Finals and in terms of confidence and skill-level, that Rondo was unrecognizable.  That said, I've absolutely hated how he's run this team.  The Celtics haven't been a team these past few years so much as they've been a showcase for Rondo.  Not even Lebron or Kobe has dominated the ball as much as Rondo has during this Rondo Era and to what end?  To produce a terrible offense? 

Re-watching the 2008 Finals, I couldn't believe how different the offense was.  The ball movement was spectacular.  It moved from side to side, nobody really held the ball for too long, not even Rondo and the action was decisive.  Multiple guys brought the ball up.  Hell, I saw Ray grab a rebound and dribble the ball up the court without Rondo running up to him and shouting for the ball like it was middle school.  There weren't any of those stupid 1-5 side pick and pops where everyone else just stands on the other side of the court.  Slow walking the ball up the court for no reason was practically non-existent.  I don't care if the players are older now.  Why does that mean there has to be less ball movement.  When is less ball movement a good thing?

The biggest gripe I've had about Rondo is that the ball movement is so much better when he's not out there. When you're point guard is the biggest impediment to ball movement, he's doing something massively wrong.

you just nailed it in the head. The defense was also much better, probably because the offense was flowing better and vice versa.

Now, every single time someone gets a defensive rebound, rondo starts barking for the ball. Every time.


  I'd just like to point out that, while you noticed that every single time someone gets a defensive rebound, rondo starts barking for the ball, you were hopefully able to notice as well that he's generally heading upcourt while he's calling for the ball. This is *clearly* Rondo trying to hurry the ball into the front court for a possible transition opportunity.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 29, 2013, 03:15:55 PM
a player of great talent, who's I is clearly ahead of the team.  Very typical for NBA, but his situation is even more intense.  I think the team where he's the key player and a star doesn't win a title.

  Yes, that's how basketball works, players that are unselfish with the ball and get their teammates involved in the offense are routinely attacked for not being team players. It's just a burden they have to bear.

  ...unless it's any player in the nba besides Rondo, in which case the above doesn't apply.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 29, 2013, 03:16:56 PM
Its also laughable people don't want the celts to succeed without rondo. Its like its the Rondo Celtics and not the Boston Celtics. We could win it all without Rondo , and people will still want him to start next year , with everyone else traded.

This is patently untrue

  Fixed your post.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: rsmrostov on January 29, 2013, 03:26:10 PM
this game is played at two ends of the court, not one, if you fail to understand it, it's only a problem of yours.

a player of great talent, who's I is clearly ahead of the team.  Very typical for NBA, but his situation is even more intense.  I think the team where he's the key player and a star doesn't win a title.

  Yes, that's how basketball works, players that are unselfish with the ball and get their teammates involved in the offense are routinely attacked for not being team players. It's just a burden they have to bear.

  ...unless it's any player in the nba besides Rondo, in which case the above doesn't apply.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 29, 2013, 03:30:03 PM
this game is played at two ends of the court, not one, if you fail to understand it, it's only a problem of yours.

a player of great talent, who's I is clearly ahead of the team.  Very typical for NBA, but his situation is even more intense.  I think the team where he's the key player and a star doesn't win a title.

  Yes, that's how basketball works, players that are unselfish with the ball and get their teammates involved in the offense are routinely attacked for not being team players. It's just a burden they have to bear.

  ...unless it's any player in the nba besides Rondo, in which case the above doesn't apply.

  I understand that perfectly well. Just like I understand that people who attack Rondo for cheating into the passing lanes have no idea whether Doc wants him to do that or not.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 29, 2013, 03:32:47 PM
this game is played at two ends of the court, not one, if you fail to understand it, it's only a problem of yours.

a player of great talent, who's I is clearly ahead of the team.  Very typical for NBA, but his situation is even more intense.  I think the team where he's the key player and a star doesn't win a title.

  Yes, that's how basketball works, players that are unselfish with the ball and get their teammates involved in the offense are routinely attacked for not being team players. It's just a burden they have to bear.

  ...unless it's any player in the nba besides Rondo, in which case the above doesn't apply.

  I understand that perfectly well. Just like I understand that people who attack Rondo for cheating into the passing lanes have no idea whether Doc wants him to do that or not.

I guess when he's asked about defensive problems and Doc mentions "we're gambling too much on defense" he's actually saying that he wants Rondo to cheating into the passing lane.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: rsmrostov on January 29, 2013, 03:34:37 PM
if that's how you see things  :-X
this game is played at two ends of the court, not one, if you fail to understand it, it's only a problem of yours.

a player of great talent, who's I is clearly ahead of the team.  Very typical for NBA, but his situation is even more intense.  I think the team where he's the key player and a star doesn't win a title.

  Yes, that's how basketball works, players that are unselfish with the ball and get their teammates involved in the offense are routinely attacked for not being team players. It's just a burden they have to bear.

  ...unless it's any player in the nba besides Rondo, in which case the above doesn't apply.

  I understand that perfectly well. Just like I understand that people who attack Rondo for cheating into the passing lanes have no idea whether Doc wants him to do that or not.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 29, 2013, 03:35:02 PM
this game is played at two ends of the court, not one, if you fail to understand it, it's only a problem of yours.

a player of great talent, who's I is clearly ahead of the team.  Very typical for NBA, but his situation is even more intense.  I think the team where he's the key player and a star doesn't win a title.

  Yes, that's how basketball works, players that are unselfish with the ball and get their teammates involved in the offense are routinely attacked for not being team players. It's just a burden they have to bear.

  ...unless it's any player in the nba besides Rondo, in which case the above doesn't apply.

  I understand that perfectly well. Just like I understand that people who attack Rondo for cheating into the passing lanes have no idea whether Doc wants him to do that or not.

I guess when he's asked about defensive problems and Doc mentions "we're gambling too much on defense" he's actually saying that he wants Rondo to cheating into the passing lane.

  Just like you guess that every negative comment Doc makes about the team is directed mainly at Rondo.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 29, 2013, 03:37:28 PM
this game is played at two ends of the court, not one, if you fail to understand it, it's only a problem of yours.

a player of great talent, who's I is clearly ahead of the team.  Very typical for NBA, but his situation is even more intense.  I think the team where he's the key player and a star doesn't win a title.

  Yes, that's how basketball works, players that are unselfish with the ball and get their teammates involved in the offense are routinely attacked for not being team players. It's just a burden they have to bear.

  ...unless it's any player in the nba besides Rondo, in which case the above doesn't apply.

  I understand that perfectly well. Just like I understand that people who attack Rondo for cheating into the passing lanes have no idea whether Doc wants him to do that or not.

I guess when he's asked about defensive problems and Doc mentions "we're gambling too much on defense" he's actually saying that he wants Rondo to cheating into the passing lane.

  Just like you guess that every negative comment Doc makes about the team is directed mainly at Rondo.

No I don't. Rondo is not the only one that does this.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 29, 2013, 03:38:10 PM
if that's how you see things  :-X
this game is played at two ends of the court, not one, if you fail to understand it, it's only a problem of yours.

a player of great talent, who's I is clearly ahead of the team.  Very typical for NBA, but his situation is even more intense.  I think the team where he's the key player and a star doesn't win a title.

  Yes, that's how basketball works, players that are unselfish with the ball and get their teammates involved in the offense are routinely attacked for not being team players. It's just a burden they have to bear.

  ...unless it's any player in the nba besides Rondo, in which case the above doesn't apply.

  I understand that perfectly well. Just like I understand that people who attack Rondo for cheating into the passing lanes have no idea whether Doc wants him to do that or not.

  Since you claim Rondo walks away from players he's guarding when they're about to shoot because he's hoping to get a rebound if they miss, there's a good chance we see things differently.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 29, 2013, 03:41:55 PM
this game is played at two ends of the court, not one, if you fail to understand it, it's only a problem of yours.

a player of great talent, who's I is clearly ahead of the team.  Very typical for NBA, but his situation is even more intense.  I think the team where he's the key player and a star doesn't win a title.

  Yes, that's how basketball works, players that are unselfish with the ball and get their teammates involved in the offense are routinely attacked for not being team players. It's just a burden they have to bear.

  ...unless it's any player in the nba besides Rondo, in which case the above doesn't apply.

  I understand that perfectly well. Just like I understand that people who attack Rondo for cheating into the passing lanes have no idea whether Doc wants him to do that or not.

I guess when he's asked about defensive problems and Doc mentions "we're gambling too much on defense" he's actually saying that he wants Rondo to cheating into the passing lane.

  Just like you guess that every negative comment Doc makes about the team is directed mainly at Rondo.

No I don't. Rondo is not the only one that does this.

  So Doc's comments may or may not apply to Rondo cheating into the passing lanes.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 29, 2013, 03:46:41 PM
this game is played at two ends of the court, not one, if you fail to understand it, it's only a problem of yours.

a player of great talent, who's I is clearly ahead of the team.  Very typical for NBA, but his situation is even more intense.  I think the team where he's the key player and a star doesn't win a title.

  Yes, that's how basketball works, players that are unselfish with the ball and get their teammates involved in the offense are routinely attacked for not being team players. It's just a burden they have to bear.

  ...unless it's any player in the nba besides Rondo, in which case the above doesn't apply.

  I understand that perfectly well. Just like I understand that people who attack Rondo for cheating into the passing lanes have no idea whether Doc wants him to do that or not.

I guess when he's asked about defensive problems and Doc mentions "we're gambling too much on defense" he's actually saying that he wants Rondo to cheating into the passing lane.

  Just like you guess that every negative comment Doc makes about the team is directed mainly at Rondo.

No I don't. Rondo is not the only one that does this.

  So Doc's comments may or may not apply to Rondo cheating into the passing lanes.

You guys already established the Rondo cheats into the passing lanes. Doc often comments on how we gamble too much on defense. I don't know how those comments can be seen as Doc wanting Rondo to cheat in the passing lane, when Occam's Razor should tell you the opposite is probably true.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: nickagneta on January 29, 2013, 03:52:24 PM
this game is played at two ends of the court, not one, if you fail to understand it, it's only a problem of yours.

a player of great talent, who's I is clearly ahead of the team.  Very typical for NBA, but his situation is even more intense.  I think the team where he's the key player and a star doesn't win a title.

  Yes, that's how basketball works, players that are unselfish with the ball and get their teammates involved in the offense are routinely attacked for not being team players. It's just a burden they have to bear.

  ...unless it's any player in the nba besides Rondo, in which case the above doesn't apply.

  I understand that perfectly well. Just like I understand that people who attack Rondo for cheating into the passing lanes have no idea whether Doc wants him to do that or not.

I guess when he's asked about defensive problems and Doc mentions "we're gambling too much on defense" he's actually saying that he wants Rondo to cheating into the passing lane.

  Just like you guess that every negative comment Doc makes about the team is directed mainly at Rondo.
Well I happen to agree with BC here. Doc has directly criticized Rondo by name for his defensive gambling ways before. I think when he mentions it now without naming names, he is definitely including Rondo amongst the players he is talking about.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: 2short on January 29, 2013, 04:07:19 PM
the best all around basketball player i've seen the celtics draft since larry bird
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: 2short on January 29, 2013, 04:09:09 PM
i'm sorry i didn't read all this i thought it was sarcasm
there is a whole thread basing rondo?
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: OttawaCeltic on January 29, 2013, 04:19:14 PM
Lol, I made this thread like days before the critical injury happened. How ironic his rival D.Rose was just coming back... it really seems like those conspiracy fans are right, like how they were saying the league is always making LeBron's path to the finals is fixed and smoothen out.. :-\

PS: Let it all out guys! Keep attacking Rondo!  ;D
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 29, 2013, 04:25:35 PM
this game is played at two ends of the court, not one, if you fail to understand it, it's only a problem of yours.

a player of great talent, who's I is clearly ahead of the team.  Very typical for NBA, but his situation is even more intense.  I think the team where he's the key player and a star doesn't win a title.

  Yes, that's how basketball works, players that are unselfish with the ball and get their teammates involved in the offense are routinely attacked for not being team players. It's just a burden they have to bear.

  ...unless it's any player in the nba besides Rondo, in which case the above doesn't apply.

  I understand that perfectly well. Just like I understand that people who attack Rondo for cheating into the passing lanes have no idea whether Doc wants him to do that or not.

I guess when he's asked about defensive problems and Doc mentions "we're gambling too much on defense" he's actually saying that he wants Rondo to cheating into the passing lane.

  Just like you guess that every negative comment Doc makes about the team is directed mainly at Rondo.
Well I happen to agree with BC here. Doc has directly criticized Rondo by name for his defensive gambling ways before. I think when he mentions it now without naming names, he is definitely including Rondo amongst the players he is talking about.

  I remember Doc directly criticizing Rondo for gambling on defense 4-5 years ago, I think it was more of a regular issue at the time. When he says on occasion "we're gambling too much" I'd say that a) it's something that he only complains about at times and b) that it's something he wants to fine tune, not eliminate. He's not saying "we shouldn't be gambling on defense", he's saying "we gamble too much on defense". That means that he wants to see some gambling, just less of it than he's seeing at the time. "Sometimes we gamble too much on defense, sometimes we don't" isn't the same as "Doc doesn't want Rondo to gamble at all on defense".
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 04:26:04 PM
Why are we bashing the best PG in the world or anyone for that matter? Dumb thread.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: dark_lord on January 29, 2013, 04:26:10 PM
i have a love/hate relationship with rondo.  his inconsistency, lack of defense, and "turning it on" when he wants is beyond frustrating.

HOWEVER, he plays ball to the walls in the post season and when he is on, he is on!

I just can never get behind a thread that deliberately "bashes" one of our guys for what he does when it matters most (post season).  He has his personality quirks, but i still cant "bash" him for the sake of doing it. he has done far more good than bad for the celts
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 29, 2013, 04:26:29 PM
i'm sorry i didn't read all this i thought it was sarcasm
there is a whole thread basing rondo?

  More like 3-5 whole threads.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: 2short on January 29, 2013, 04:28:31 PM
Why are we bashing the best PG in the world or anyone for that matter? Dumb thread.
second that
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: celtsfan84 on January 29, 2013, 04:45:02 PM
Why are we bashing the best PG in the world or anyone for that matter? Dumb thread.

Who's bashing Chris Paul?
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 29, 2013, 04:48:44 PM
Why are we bashing the best PG in the world or anyone for that matter? Dumb thread.

Who's bashing Chris Paul?

No comment, since Rondo is better.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: 2short on January 29, 2013, 05:02:05 PM
we SHOULD bash a guy who :
plays passing lanes
seems to pad stats, once bragged he could average a triple double
seems to take games off, once shot left handed for an entire game (off hand)
calls out teammates through the press both tv and papers
not an easy teammate to have, expects the best from everyone
hot shot passes that sometimes lead to turnovers

i could go on
 8)

anyone?
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: celtsfan84 on January 29, 2013, 05:12:26 PM
Why are we bashing the best PG in the world or anyone for that matter? Dumb thread.

Who's bashing Chris Paul?

No comment, since Rondo is better.

That seems like a comment to me.  An inaccurate one, but a comment nonetheless.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on January 29, 2013, 05:13:03 PM
Lol, I made this thread like days before the critical injury happened. How ironic his rival D.Rose was just coming back... it really seems like those conspiracy fans are right, like how they were saying the league is always making LeBron's path to the finals is fixed and smoothen out.. :-\

PS: Let it all out guys! Keep attacking Rondo!  ;D




Ottawa is in France right?
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: celtsfan84 on January 29, 2013, 05:30:21 PM
Lol, I made this thread like days before the critical injury happened. How ironic his rival D.Rose was just coming back... it really seems like those conspiracy fans are right, like how they were saying the league is always making LeBron's path to the finals is fixed and smoothen out.. :-\

PS: Let it all out guys! Keep attacking Rondo!  ;D




Ottawa is in France right?

French Canada, so they do speak French.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 29, 2013, 05:41:34 PM
Why are we bashing the best PG in the world or anyone for that matter? Dumb thread.

Who's bashing Chris Paul?

  I think his reputation must have taken a hit when you explained to everyone that he doesn't step up in the playoffs as much as Rondo does.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: thirstyboots18 on January 29, 2013, 05:44:15 PM
we SHOULD bash a guy who :
plays passing lanes
seems to pad stats, once bragged he could average a triple double
seems to take games off, once shot left handed for an entire game (off hand)
calls out teammates through the press both tv and papers
not an easy teammate to have, expects the best from everyone
hot shot passes that sometimes lead to turnovers

i could go on
 8)

anyone?
Leave Larry Bird out of this.  Leave Rondo out of this, too.  Both great players!   ;)
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: celtsfan84 on January 29, 2013, 05:46:21 PM
Why are we bashing the best PG in the world or anyone for that matter? Dumb thread.

Who's bashing Chris Paul?

  I think his reputation must have taken a hit when you explained to everyone that he doesn't step up in the playoffs as much as Rondo does.


Was that when you correctly explained to me that Chris Paul has actually outperformed Rondo in both the regular season and postseason over the course of their careers in pretty much any individual metric? (Win Shares, PER, TS%, eFG%, PTS, AST, FG%).  I'm glad I listened.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 29, 2013, 07:07:05 PM
Why are we bashing the best PG in the world or anyone for that matter? Dumb thread.

Who's bashing Chris Paul?

  I think his reputation must have taken a hit when you explained to everyone that he doesn't step up in the playoffs as much as Rondo does.


Was that when you correctly explained to me that Chris Paul has actually outperformed Rondo in both the regular season and postseason over the course of their careers in pretty much any individual metric? (Win Shares, PER, TS%, eFG%, PTS, AST, FG%).  I'm glad I listened.

  Those metrics are probably accurate, but I don't think you heard that from me. So, no changes with those listening skills.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: 2short on January 29, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
we SHOULD bash a guy who :
plays passing lanes
seems to pad stats, once bragged he could average a triple double
seems to take games off, once shot left handed for an entire game (off hand)
calls out teammates through the press both tv and papers
not an easy teammate to have, expects the best from everyone
hot shot passes that sometimes lead to turnovers

i could go on
 8)

anyone?
Leave Larry Bird out of this.  Leave Rondo out of this, too.  Both great players!   ;)

Tommy point for knowing.  Silly people that was Larry bird.  I am pretty sure a group here would find issues with his game as well.  How dare he shoot with his opposite hand or get bored so try to make the prettiest pass.
Sadly threads like this make celtics blog pretty unimportant, boring and sad.
Officially taking a break from reading trash but tp to thirsty boots for recognizing a few Larry traits
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Roy H. on January 29, 2013, 08:10:56 PM
we SHOULD bash a guy who :
plays passing lanes
seems to pad stats, once bragged he could average a triple double
seems to take games off, once shot left handed for an entire game (off hand)
calls out teammates through the press both tv and papers
not an easy teammate to have, expects the best from everyone
hot shot passes that sometimes lead to turnovers

i could go on
 8)

anyone?
Leave Larry Bird out of this.  Leave Rondo out of this, too.  Both great players!   ;)

Tommy point for knowing.  Silly people that was Larry bird.  I am pretty sure a group here would find issues with his game as well.  How dare he shoot with his opposite hand or get bored so try to make the prettiest pass.
Sadly threads like this make celtics blog pretty unimportant, boring and sad.
Officially taking a break from reading trash but tp to thirsty boots for recognizing a few Larry traits

I understand your point, although I think some folks would disagree with the degree to which Larry did those things versus Rondo. 

Also, I think you misunderstood Larry regarding stats-patting.  He said he *could* average a triple-double, if he cared about stats.  Instead, he did what was necessary to win.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: thirstyboots18 on January 29, 2013, 08:22:51 PM
we SHOULD bash a guy who :
plays passing lanes
seems to pad stats, once bragged he could average a triple double
seems to take games off, once shot left handed for an entire game (off hand)
calls out teammates through the press both tv and papers
not an easy teammate to have, expects the best from everyone
hot shot passes that sometimes lead to turnovers

i could go on
 8)

anyone?
Leave Larry Bird out of this.  Leave Rondo out of this, too.  Both great players!   ;)

Tommy point for knowing.  Silly people that was Larry bird.  I am pretty sure a group here would find issues with his game as well.  How dare he shoot with his opposite hand or get bored so try to make the prettiest pass.
Sadly threads like this make celtics blog pretty unimportant, boring and sad.
Officially taking a break from reading trash but tp to thirsty boots for recognizing a few Larry traits

I understand your point, although I think some folks would disagree with the degree to which Larry did those things versus Rondo. 

Also, I think you misunderstood Larry regarding stats-patting.  He said he *could* average a triple-double, if he cared about stats.  Instead, he did what was necessary to win.
Larry was not above stat padding...or history padding.  Winning the three point contests was not during games, but egging McHale to go for 50 points was, and so was his doing it a week later.  I don't believe stats are more important to Rondo than winning.  If that were true, I doubt if KG (someone who should know) would be so fond of him.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 29, 2013, 09:44:23 PM
we SHOULD bash a guy who :
plays passing lanes
seems to pad stats, once bragged he could average a triple double
seems to take games off, once shot left handed for an entire game (off hand)
calls out teammates through the press both tv and papers
not an easy teammate to have, expects the best from everyone
hot shot passes that sometimes lead to turnovers

i could go on
 8)

anyone?
Leave Larry Bird out of this.  Leave Rondo out of this, too.  Both great players!   ;)

Tommy point for knowing.  Silly people that was Larry bird.  I am pretty sure a group here would find issues with his game as well.  How dare he shoot with his opposite hand or get bored so try to make the prettiest pass.
Sadly threads like this make celtics blog pretty unimportant, boring and sad.
Officially taking a break from reading trash but tp to thirsty boots for recognizing a few Larry traits

I understand your point, although I think some folks would disagree with the degree to which Larry did those things versus Rondo. 

Also, I think you misunderstood Larry regarding stats-patting.  He said he *could* average a triple-double, if he cared about stats.  Instead, he did what was necessary to win.

  We also know that Rondo's capable of scoring more and playing a bigger role in the offense than he has in the past but he (like the others) subjugated his game for the good of the team. That wasn't exactly done in order to lose games.
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: vinnie on January 30, 2013, 12:17:55 AM
The whole, "Rondo is dribbling the air out of the ball and its all his fault" bellyaching is just ridiculous in my opinion.

Rondo is a runner with a team that doesn't want to run. He's running a system his coach approves of. He's playing with players that for long periods of time don't move off the ball.

He can't help it if his team mates have trouble getting open, have trouble performing the plays, are too old or unathletic to run a fast break with him or he's just doing what his coach wants him to do.

And he can't help it if a whole bunch of teams run a modified zone against the Celtics because they see what I see: no off the ball movement, a lack of inside out basketball, no fast break basketball, no low post options, and no regular, consistent three point shooters to be afraid of.

People really need to stop reading uninformed bloggers complaining of Rondo's dribbling too much and pay attention to what is happening on the court. Stop repeating stuff that you read and watch a few games like an opposing coach and see what is happening.

Sorry for the attitude but I'm getting a little sick of people spouting this BS off and not actually realizing what is happening on the court.

You deserve my first ever LOL! With an exclamation mark no less.  Good job sir.  Why is the ball movement better without Rondo, can you tell me that?  If it's everyone else's fault but Rondo's for the terrible ball movement, why is it better when he's not on the court? Or maybe you don't think so.

  I keep hearing about how well the offense flows without Rondo, I think it looks fairly disjointed. Any ideas on why that great ball movement leads to fewer assists and a lower efg%?

Come on. The offense was awesome Sunday without Rondo. They scored 100 points...........in 58 minutes
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: BballTim on January 30, 2013, 08:24:59 AM
The whole, "Rondo is dribbling the air out of the ball and its all his fault" bellyaching is just ridiculous in my opinion.

Rondo is a runner with a team that doesn't want to run. He's running a system his coach approves of. He's playing with players that for long periods of time don't move off the ball.

He can't help it if his team mates have trouble getting open, have trouble performing the plays, are too old or unathletic to run a fast break with him or he's just doing what his coach wants him to do.

And he can't help it if a whole bunch of teams run a modified zone against the Celtics because they see what I see: no off the ball movement, a lack of inside out basketball, no fast break basketball, no low post options, and no regular, consistent three point shooters to be afraid of.

People really need to stop reading uninformed bloggers complaining of Rondo's dribbling too much and pay attention to what is happening on the court. Stop repeating stuff that you read and watch a few games like an opposing coach and see what is happening.

Sorry for the attitude but I'm getting a little sick of people spouting this BS off and not actually realizing what is happening on the court.

You deserve my first ever LOL! With an exclamation mark no less.  Good job sir.  Why is the ball movement better without Rondo, can you tell me that?  If it's everyone else's fault but Rondo's for the terrible ball movement, why is it better when he's not on the court? Or maybe you don't think so.

  I keep hearing about how well the offense flows without Rondo, I think it looks fairly disjointed. Any ideas on why that great ball movement leads to fewer assists and a lower efg%?

Come on. The offense was awesome Sunday without Rondo. They scored 100 points...........in 58 minutes

  Sigh. The goal of our offense shouldn't be to score, it should be to keep the ball out of Rondo's hands.
Title: Re: The Critique Rondo Thread
Post by: BballTim on January 30, 2013, 08:35:39 AM


  Why did the title of the thread change? Wasn't there enough Rondo bashing going on?
Title: Re: The Critique Rondo Thread
Post by: Roy H. on January 30, 2013, 08:40:23 AM


  Why did the title of the thread change? Wasn't there enough Rondo bashing going on?

"Bash" sounds vindictive and non-constructive. 
Title: Re: The Critique Rondo Thread
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 30, 2013, 08:40:46 AM


  Why did the title of the thread change? Wasn't there enough Rondo bashing going on?

The word "bash" was probably too harsh.
Title: Re: The Critique Rondo Thread
Post by: BballTim on January 30, 2013, 08:46:32 AM


  Why did the title of the thread change? Wasn't there enough Rondo bashing going on?

"Bash" sounds vindictive and non-constructive.

  I'll refrain from "critiquing" some of the posts in response to this...
Title: Re: The Critique Rondo Thread
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 30, 2013, 08:48:35 AM
So is the main argument that we will be better on both ends now that Rondo's out?  That's completely false.
 
I can see it defensively, but not offensively.  If the argument is that Rondo holds the ball too much, can someone explain to me how he ends game with an average of 11 assists?  Maybe we ought to fault the role players for not hitting shots they are supposed to hit (Bass and Lee, specifically)?  Maybe we need to fault our sub-par rebounding for Rondo not being able to get out in transition?
Title: Re: The Critique Rondo Thread
Post by: crownsy on January 30, 2013, 08:58:28 AM
So is the main argument that we will be better on both ends now that Rondo's out?  That's completely false.
 
I can see it defensively, but not offensively.  If the argument is that Rondo holds the ball too much, can someone explain to me how he ends game with an average of 11 assists?  Maybe we ought to fault the role players for not hitting shots they are supposed to hit (Bass and Lee, specifically)?  Maybe we need to fault our sub-par rebounding for Rondo not being able to get out in transition?

I don't think we're better, because I believe a engaged rajon rondo is the best player on the team.

However, short term I wouldn't be surprised to see us win more because I don't he was engaged defensively this year and was coasting, and also that he hurts some of the newer additions offensive production because they aren't used to moving without the ball and essentially being spot up shooters.

Lee, Terry, Green, and barbosa specifically come to mind as guys who have been asked to play roles coming off picks/ spot up shooting which aside from terry, they have never been known for. 

I think a team engaged defensively, which Rondo was not, and allowing those guys to go back to their strengths, I.E getting iso's and getting their own shots/ drives COULD lead to short term success.

However, when playoff time rolls around, which is the time you generally get the absolute best out of Rajon, we won't be near as good.
Title: Re: The Critique Rondo Thread
Post by: celtsfan84 on January 30, 2013, 09:02:03 AM


  Why did the title of the thread change? Wasn't there enough Rondo bashing going on?

"Bash" sounds vindictive and non-constructive.

  I'll refrain from "critiquing" some of the posts in response to this...

That'd be a first . . .
Title: Re: The Critique Rondo Thread
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 30, 2013, 09:10:41 AM
So is the main argument that we will be better on both ends now that Rondo's out?  That's completely false.
 
I can see it defensively, but not offensively.  If the argument is that Rondo holds the ball too much, can someone explain to me how he ends game with an average of 11 assists?  Maybe we ought to fault the role players for not hitting shots they are supposed to hit (Bass and Lee, specifically)?  Maybe we need to fault our sub-par rebounding for Rondo not being able to get out in transition?

I don't think we're better, because I believe a engaged rajon rondo is the best player on the team.

However, short term I wouldn't be surprised to see us win more because I don't he was engaged defensively this year and was coasting, and also that he hurts some of the newer additions offensive production because they aren't used to moving without the ball and essentially being spot up shooters.

Lee, Terry, Green, and barbosa specifically come to mind as guys who have been asked to play roles coming off picks/ spot up shooting which aside from terry, they have never been known for. 

I think a team engaged defensively, which Rondo was not, and allowing those guys to go back to their strengths, I.E getting iso's and getting their own shots/ drives COULD lead to short term success.

However, when playoff time rolls around, which is the time you generally get the absolute best out of Rajon, we won't be near as good.

I agree with your points on defense and in the playoffs.

I don't buy this whole "now that Rondo's out the other guys will get to play to their strengths and suddenly score more."  I don't like the idea of of not having a true PG out there to initiate plays.

The only reason Lee, Bass, and Bradley were getting open shots was BECAUSE of Rondo.  Even KG and Pierce needed help from Rondo setting them up.

The only guy I see improving is Terry, if only because he'll have the ball more.  Then again, Doc might keep him in the Ray role, which has rendered him useless.
Title: Re: The Critique Rondo Thread
Post by: OttawaCeltic on January 30, 2013, 03:25:59 PM
So is the main argument that we will be better on both ends now that Rondo's out?  That's completely false.
 
I can see it defensively, but not offensively.  If the argument is that Rondo holds the ball too much, can someone explain to me how he ends game with an average of 11 assists?  Maybe we ought to fault the role players for not hitting shots they are supposed to hit (Bass and Lee, specifically)?  Maybe we need to fault our sub-par rebounding for Rondo not being able to get out in transition?

I don't think we're better, because I believe a engaged rajon rondo is the best player on the team.

However, short term I wouldn't be surprised to see us win more because I don't he was engaged defensively this year and was coasting, and also that he hurts some of the newer additions offensive production because they aren't used to moving without the ball and essentially being spot up shooters.

Lee, Terry, Green, and barbosa specifically come to mind as guys who have been asked to play roles coming off picks/ spot up shooting which aside from terry, they have never been known for. 

I think a team engaged defensively, which Rondo was not, and allowing those guys to go back to their strengths, I.E getting iso's and getting their own shots/ drives COULD lead to short term success.

However, when playoff time rolls around, which is the time you generally get the absolute best out of Rajon, we won't be near as good.

I agree with your points on defense and in the playoffs.

I don't buy this whole "now that Rondo's out the other guys will get to play to their strengths and suddenly score more."  I don't like the idea of of not having a true PG out there to initiate plays.

The only reason Lee, Bass, and Bradley were getting open shots was BECAUSE of Rondo.  Even KG and Pierce needed help from Rondo setting them up.

The only guy I see improving is Terry, if only because he'll have the ball more.  Then again, Doc might keep him in the Ray role, which has rendered him useless.

Wait... so your saying Lee, Bass and Bradley are basically handicapped and don't know how to play basketball without another bandhandler... I never thought that the 3 of them don't know anything about playmaking in their past years of experience. I'm so shocked that you know everything about their mentality game...  :o
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: OttawaCeltic on January 30, 2013, 03:37:48 PM
Lol, I made this thread like days before the critical injury happened. How ironic his rival D.Rose was just coming back... it really seems like those conspiracy fans are right, like how they were saying the league is always making LeBron's path to the finals is fixed and smoothen out.. :-\

PS: Let it all out guys! Keep attacking Rondo!  ;D


Ottawa is in France right?

French Canada, so they do speak French.

I really hope you guys don't represent the education system in the US... Ottawa is the capital of Ontario, which is primarily English... We all don't speak french but it is highly recommended just like Spanish for u guys.

PS. If u want to state a disagreement, dont attack the other person. Attack his statement... ::)
Title: Re: *** The Bash Rondo Thread ***
Post by: Roy H. on January 30, 2013, 03:39:49 PM
Locked.

I'd point the original poster to this rule:


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Do not delete or edit out warnings / staff edits that have been made to your post without staff permission.  Doing so is a suspendable offense.

Don't do it again, and don't restart this thread.  If you do, you won't be ever starting another thread on this forum.