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Title: don't trade rondo
Post by: reelbig4 on January 24, 2013, 03:46:36 AM
How come everybody here wants to trade the best point guard in the game, is not his fault that Garnett and Pierce are old as fart, deal with that, Rondo is our best player, period
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: lightspeed5 on January 24, 2013, 03:50:27 AM
agreed, not just that, he has that "x factor" that only champions have. he is ridiculously smart and one of the the only players that can outsmart lebron.
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: jdz101 on January 24, 2013, 03:53:13 AM
How come everybody here wants to trade the best point guard in the game, is not his fault that Garnett and Pierce are old as fart, deal with that, Rondo is our best player, period

Not that I want to trade rondo, but Chris Paul is probably a better point guard.

Remember....this is celticsblog, there will be rondo trade threads.
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: reelbig4 on January 24, 2013, 03:56:19 AM
How come everybody here wants to trade the best point guard in the game, is not his fault that Garnett and Pierce are old as fart, deal with that, Rondo is our best player, period

Not that I want to trade rondo, but Chris Paul is probably a better point guard.

Remember....this is celticsblog, there will be rondo trade threads.
I could care less at the price Rondo is at, he's better thean Paul, remember Paul is running with younger guys as their first option, contrary to Rondo
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: Kane3387 on January 24, 2013, 04:46:02 AM
Guess you haven't been watching Kyrie play lately?
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 24, 2013, 04:49:11 AM
How come everybody here wants to trade the best point guard in the game, is not his fault that Garnett and Pierce are old as fart, deal with that, Rondo is our best player, period

Not that I want to trade rondo, but Chris Paul is probably a better point guard.

Remember....this is celticsblog, there will be rondo trade threads.
I could care less at the price Rondo is at, he's better thean Paul, remember Paul is running with younger guys as their first option, contrary to Rondo

He's not on Paul's level.  But I wouldn't worry about it... we aren't going to just trade Rondo for the sake of trading him. 
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: ejk3489 on January 24, 2013, 04:54:46 AM
How come everybody here wants to trade the best point guard in the game, is not his fault that Garnett and Pierce are old as fart, deal with that, Rondo is our best player, period

Not that I want to trade rondo, but Chris Paul is probably a better point guard.

Remember....this is celticsblog, there will be rondo trade threads.
I could care less at the price Rondo is at, he's better thean Paul, remember Paul is running with younger guys as their first option, contrary to Rondo

Per 36 min:

Paul - 18pts, 10.4ast, 3.8rbs, 13.4TO%, .890FT%, .520eFG%, PER 26.1 Off RTG: 127, Def RTG: 101

Rondo - 13pts, 10.7ast, 5.2rbs, 22.8TO%, .640FT%, .498eFG%, PER 18.2, Off RTG: 103, Def RTG: 103

I love Rondo, but come on...Chris Paul has arguably been a top 3 MVP candidate this season
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: lightspeed5 on January 24, 2013, 05:27:28 AM
now do a comparison of their playoff stats
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: ACF on January 24, 2013, 05:59:05 AM
now do a comparison of their playoff stats

Edit:
Dang photo wouldn't work.
It was a pic a of a long, slender hand and fingers, with an NBA championship ring on the middle finger and that huge hand making a can of Red Bull look very small   ;)

Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 24, 2013, 06:16:08 AM
Only reason to trade Rondo is if we're getting CP3 and maybe Steph Curry. Otherwise, he will stay.

Guess you haven't been watching Kyrie play lately?

Yeah, but how many triple doubles Rondo have this season?

I understand that Kyrie outplayed Rajon, but Kyrie does that to everybody. Rondo still does a lot more than Kyrie is. Rondo is still a better defender (yeah I get it, he has to stop the gamble defense), rebounder and facilitator, and with the way this team is built, we are better of with a pass first PG than a shoot first one.
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on January 24, 2013, 06:56:58 AM
agreed, not just that, he has that "x factor" that only champions have. he is ridiculously smart and one of the the only players that can outsmart lebron.
lol
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: mctyson on January 24, 2013, 07:08:17 AM
How come everybody here wants to trade the best point guard in the game, is not his fault that Garnett and Pierce are old as fart, deal with that, Rondo is our best player, period

No one wants to trade Rondo, but many people realize that he is the only player on our roster who is worthy of another All Star in a trade return.
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: BballTim on January 24, 2013, 07:58:25 AM
Guess you haven't been watching Kyrie play lately?

  I'd guess "lately" means "one game".
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 24, 2013, 08:08:43 AM
Guess you haven't been watching Kyrie play lately?

Rondo is a better point guard than Kyrie Irving. Period.
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: celticslove on January 24, 2013, 08:41:35 AM
Guess you haven't been watching Kyrie play lately?

Rondo is a better point guard than Kyrie Irving. Period.
point guard yeah, but as a player no!
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: BenHenry on January 24, 2013, 09:56:38 AM
This is no knock on Rondo and i dont see him getting traded unless we get a star in return. But how deluded do you have to be to say that Rondo is better than CP3??? He's two tiers above Rondo and it's not even close. The pure PG argument is such a defeatist attitude and doesn't make him the better player whatsoever. Not one person or team has uttered "max contract and Rondo" in the same sentence ever.

Tier 1 - CP3
Tier 2 - Rose, Westbrook
Tier 3 - Rondo, Deron Williams, K Irving, Stephen Curry and maybe a few more that i can't name now?

I get that we're Cs fans and Rondo is our boy but cmon you gotta be realistic. If you would suggest that Rondo is better than Rose or Westbrook, not even CP3, outside of this forum you'd be the laughingstock donkie of that thread and that's truth.
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: kozlodoev on January 24, 2013, 10:01:04 AM
Don't use all caps.
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: scaryjerry on January 24, 2013, 10:04:39 AM
How deluded do you have to be to say that Rondo is better than CP3??? He's two tiers above Rondo and it's not even close. The pure PG argument is such a defeatist attitude and doesn't make him the better player whatsoever. Not one person or team has uttered "max contract and Rondo" in the same sentence ever.

Tier 1 - CP3
Tier 2 - Rose, Westbrook
Tier 3 - Rondo, Deron Williams, K Irving, Stephen Curry and maybe a few more that i can't name now?

I get that we're Cs fans and Rondo is our boy but cmon you gotta be realistic. If you would suggest that Rondo is better than Rose or Westbrook, not even CP3, outside of this forum you'd be the laughingstock donkie of that thread and that's truth.

fine by me if you think cp3 is God status and better than rondo...can't currently argue (Rajon has played his worst stretch in years in my mind and we're always judging in the moment)...but you over rate Paul and its painful...the clips best player is Blake Griffin, they have the best bench in the league and Chris Paul is very much human and undeserving of a tier of his own until he actually gets somewhere in the playoffs
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: BenHenry on January 24, 2013, 10:11:38 AM
How deluded do you have to be to say that Rondo is better than CP3??? He's two tiers above Rondo and it's not even close. The pure PG argument is such a defeatist attitude and doesn't make him the better player whatsoever. Not one person or team has uttered "max contract and Rondo" in the same sentence ever.

Tier 1 - CP3
Tier 2 - Rose, Westbrook
Tier 3 - Rondo, Deron Williams, K Irving, Stephen Curry and maybe a few more that i can't name now?

I get that we're Cs fans and Rondo is our boy but cmon you gotta be realistic. If you would suggest that Rondo is better than Rose or Westbrook, not even CP3, outside of this forum you'd be the laughingstock donkie of that thread and that's truth.

fine by me if you think cp3 is God status and better than rondo...can't currently argue...but you over rate Paul and its painful...the clips best player is Blake Griffin, they have the best bench in the league and Chris Paul is very much human and undeserving of a tier of his own until he actually gets somewhere in the playoffs

Wait, you just said "can't currently argue" then you say that i overrate CP3? That doesnt make any sense, he's the best PG in the game right now and there's really no PG that you can say that's better than him, how do you overrate that? It's simple logic and reasoning man.

So are you saying that Rondo is better than CP3? What's your point here? Im just saying that no other PG is better than CP3 right now, it's just the truth, it's not possible to say that im overrating him.
Title: Re: DON'T TRADE RONDO
Post by: scaryjerry on January 24, 2013, 10:19:05 AM
How deluded do you have to be to say that Rondo is better than CP3??? He's two tiers above Rondo and it's not even close. The pure PG argument is such a defeatist attitude and doesn't make him the better player whatsoever. Not one person or team has uttered "max contract and Rondo" in the same sentence ever.

Tier 1 - CP3
Tier 2 - Rose, Westbrook
Tier 3 - Rondo, Deron Williams, K Irving, Stephen Curry and maybe a few more that i can't name now?

I get that we're Cs fans and Rondo is our boy but cmon you gotta be realistic. If you would suggest that Rondo is better than Rose or Westbrook, not even CP3, outside of this forum you'd be the laughingstock donkie of that thread and that's truth.

fine by me if you think cp3 is God status and better than rondo...can't currently argue...but you over rate Paul and its painful...the clips best player is Blake Griffin, they have the best bench in the league and Chris Paul is very much human and undeserving of a tier of his own until he actually gets somewhere in the playoffs

Wait, you just said "can't currently argue" then you say that i overrate CP3? That doesnt make any sense, he's the best PG in the game right now and there's really no PG that you can say that's better than him, how do you overrate that? It's simple logic and reasoning man. Stick with reality here.

I don't think he's a better player then rose or Westbrook...good point guard but not an all time great point guard in my opinion... not even the best player on his own team. you over rate him putting him on a pedestal and a tier of his own, it's ridiculous frankly...maybe I'll reconsider if the clips get to the conference finals led by Paul..until then he's overrated and I've thought it since the days everyone said He made Tyson Chandler..and then Paul missed Chandler more then the other way around and proceeded to quit on a franchise.
Title: Re: don't trade rondo
Post by: BenHenry on January 24, 2013, 10:29:43 AM
How are you gonna say that when he's 3rd in MVP running behind Lebron and Durant?

I would give Rose the nod pre-injury but unfortunately it is what it is and Westbrook is a great player but he's inefficient because he's a volume scorer.
Title: Re: don't trade rondo
Post by: PhoSita on January 24, 2013, 11:04:08 AM
Rondo is one of the best point guards in the game.  I think he's at the top of the second tier, the first tier being guys like Paul, Rose, Westbrook, and then there are couple of guys who are making a case to be in that group (Kyrie and Curry).  Rondo's just behind with guys like Tony Parker and Jrue Holiday.

Overall, I consider Rondo one of the top players in the game under 30.

But he's hardly untouchable in my book as far as trades are concerned.  He has a very unique game with very noticeable strengths and very noticeable weaknesses.  That means his value to a team is very dependent on the team's makeup and the goals that team has. 

For a team with top level talent competing for a championship, Rondo is invaluable.  For a rebuilding team that needs a leader who can take on the responsibility of winning games pretty much by himself on a fairly consistent basis?  Well, Rondo is going to disappoint you there.