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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticG1 on January 23, 2013, 06:38:11 PM
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If the Celtics win the next 3 in a row I'm thinking they will have redeemed themselves (again) for this latest pathetic losing streak.
If they beat NY and Miami and lose to the Hawks they are pretty much forgiven too.
If they beat one of NY or Miami and the Hawks I will still feel okay considering how tough a stretch.
If they only beat the Hawks or god forbid lose 3 more in a row than there is no doubt that some serious changes WILL be made.
Any thoughts? I know most people will probably say that they don't care what happens and that the team is still flawed but If they actually win 3 in a row or look impressive, I think the tune on the forum will change a bit.
I'm also pretty optimistic about it. We always struggle with the crappy teams but we at least usually compete against the top tier teams. Rondo is a huge matchup problem for both Miami and NY (who didnt even see him last game). I expect him to tear it up.....stay tuned
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This is the exact same schedule as we had before our six-game win streak, will it be the same result?
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If the Celtics win the next 3 in a row I'm thinking they will have redeemed themselves (again) for this latest pathetic losing streak.
If they beat NY and Miami and lose to the Hawks they are pretty much forgiven too.
If they beat one of NY or Miami and the Hawks I will still feel okay considering how tough a stretch.
If they only beat the Hawks or god forbid lose 3 more in a row than there is no doubt that some serious changes WILL be made.
Any thoughts? I know most people will probably say that they don't care what happens and that the team is still flawed but If they actually win 3 in a row or look impressive, I think the tune on the forum will change a bit.
I'm also pretty optimistic about it. We always struggle with the crappy teams but we at least usually compete against the top tier teams. Rondo is a huge matchup problem for both Miami and NY (who didnt even see him last game). I expect him to tear it up.....stay tuned
what? we won 6 in a row and then proceeded to poo poo the bed in 3 straight. winning 3 straight will once again be fool's gold. look at how we play.
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If the Celtics win the next 3 in a row I'm thinking they will have redeemed themselves (again) for this latest pathetic losing streak.
If they beat NY and Miami and lose to the Hawks they are pretty much forgiven too.
If they beat one of NY or Miami and the Hawks I will still feel okay considering how tough a stretch.
If they only beat the Hawks or god forbid lose 3 more in a row than there is no doubt that some serious changes WILL be made.
Any thoughts? I know most people will probably say that they don't care what happens and that the team is still flawed but If they actually win 3 in a row or look impressive, I think the tune on the forum will change a bit.
I'm also pretty optimistic about it. We always struggle with the crappy teams but we at least usually compete against the top tier teams. Rondo is a huge matchup problem for both Miami and NY (who didnt even see him last game). I expect him to tear it up.....stay tuned
what? we won 6 in a row and then proceeded to poo poo the bed in 3 straight. winning 3 straight will once again be fool's gold. look at how we play.
I don't think it's exactly fools gold. I'm not saying all will definitely be fine but i think there would be reason to be cautiously optimistic. I mean, if we rip off those 3 in a row against those teams the pendulum certainly takes a big swing
If we are beating the best teams and losing to bad teams, well isn't that what you'd rather have?
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2-3 wins is a good return.
0-1 wins will be disappointing and worrying.
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0/3
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It is a .500 team that is playing exactly as a .500 team should play. If they win the next three games I would be shocked, but crazier things have happened.
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2-3 wins is a good return.
0-1 wins will be disappointing and worrying.
They need 2 for sure
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my philosophy: if we beat the heat, we never lost.
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NY, Atlanta, and Miami...
IF we win the next three then I can forgive the last 4.
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my philosophy: if we beat the heat, we never lost.
haha
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the wins will feel good until we lose to the kings and magic
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I've already seen this team beat the knicks and the best team in the west OKC. I've seen this team recently win 6 in a row just to turn around and lose the next 4. I know better than to even think for a second if they beat miami & or the knicks that it means anything.
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You know I'm not as upset about the Celtics situation as most. I think we will probably make a small trade before the deadline but nothing big. I think in our 6-game winning streak we had some good moments and some bad. I think in the recent 4 we've had the same. Some things to keep in mind:
The Chicago game was flat out stolen from us. Plain and simple the refs took that game away, at least twice in regulation.
The Cavs game was extremely close and Irving had a monster scoring night. He put 41 on the Knicks too, the same Knicks with last year's DPoY. We shouldn't have lost but certainly Irving earned a win.
The Pistons beat Miami too, by double digits.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOO I'm not hair on fire. I think we have a chance to turn it around today and Sunday and really if we get blown out of both games I expect bigger changes but I doubt we get blown out twice. I'd like to play PP/KG for the NY game and rest them for the Hawks game.
We're 3.5 games above the next team and we're 3.5 games out of the 5th seed. Go C's!
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What makes you think we'll do that with our current play?
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You know I'm not as upset about the Celtics situation as most. I think we will probably make a small trade before the deadline but nothing big. I think in our 6-game winning streak we had some good moments and some bad. I think in the recent 4 we've had the same. Some things to keep in mind:
The Chicago game was flat out stolen from us. Plain and simple the refs took that game away, at least twice in regulation.
The Cavs game was extremely close and Irving had a monster scoring night. He put 41 on the Knicks too, the same Knicks with last year's DPoY. We shouldn't have lost but certainly Irving earned a win.
The Pistons beat Miami too, by double digits.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOO I'm not hair on fire. I think we have a chance to turn it around today and Sunday and really if we get blown out of both games I expect bigger changes but I doubt we get blown out twice. I'd like to play PP/KG for the NY game and rest them for the Hawks game.
We're 3.5 games above the next team and we're 3.5 games out of the 5th seed. Go C's!
TP for the optimism all true
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But what if they lose three in a row?
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I wonder , what if Marco Belinelli never made that shot !
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I wonder , what if Marco Belinelli never made that shot !
we'd be praising JET like he hasn't been in a slump and needs to get more minutes over Lee.
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They need to beat the Heat or NY.
A loss to ATL would not hurt as much if we beat either one of those top seeded teams. A win against Miami would definitely boost morale as well.
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They need to beat the Heat or NY.
A loss to ATL would not hurt as much if we beat either one of those top seeded teams. A win against Miami would definitely boost morale as well.
The celtics need to win both games in a desperate attempt to gain confidence. Even if that happens this years team doesn't ride momentum long before losing to bum teams again. If we wanna sit here and kid ourselves then the miami game is the make or break game as far as getting momentum and confidence.
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I think the celtics are going to rise to the occasion but they have a tough weekend ahead for sure!
Put all of this together and what do you have? The Celtics taking on three plus-.500 teams in the span of 65 hours while traveling about 2,000 miles in the air. Talk about a rough weekend.
-Marc D'Amico
The article goes into more detail of how hard these 3 games are going to be...good read.
http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/cs-aim-rise-face-adversity
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That was a Rose-less Bulls at home and, though arguably Kyrie is good enough such that have to grant he's going to get his, the rest of the team was the remainder of the Cavs--minus Varejao.
Three good wins by Sunday would be great news, but at this point I don't think it stops Danny from making any changes he might have made otherwise. I think what he does or doesn't do now will be determined more by what deals are available than how the current team plays.
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That was a Rose-less Bulls at home and, though arguably Kyrie is good enough such that have to grant he's going to get his, the rest of the team was the remainder of the Cavs--minus Varejao.
Three good wins by Sunday would be great news, but at this point I don't think it stops Danny from making any changes he might have made otherwise. I think what he does or doesn't do now will be determined more by what deals are available than how the current team plays.
Roseless bulls doesn't mean a ton. They are still a very good team. The Rondoless Celts beat the Knicks too.
I don't think it stops Danny from making trades as well. I hope it would stop him from making a major trade tho especially one geared more toward the future than this year.
Every fan is different. If the Celts win 10 in a row plenty of people will be backbone the wagon and think this is the greatest team ever. Others wont buy anything until we win a few playoff series. Some don't even want to bother and are looking at 5-10 years down the road.
IMO KG, Rondo, and Pierce haven't regressed enough to be non factors this year. We have the same starting lineup as last year that was on a ridiculous tear defensively (and offensively) last year. That coupled with added talent (that isn't producing much at the moment) leads me to believe that the ingredients are there they just haven't come together yet.
Its risky because they might not come together. But certainly like last year we were an absolute mess and then all of a sudden things started tango our way and started to click. We definitely have the talent and personal to be very very good if/when it clicks. That's why before the season a lot of people were very optimistic. There's still half a season left and plenty more games to right the ship than we had last year when we were struggling.
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I would not be surprised if the C's wake up this weekend, and suck us all back in with an impressive showing against 3 really good teams.
I also would be even less surprised if they follow that up by regressing against as early as next week, prompting more "Blow it up!" threads.
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What's that old saying? "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice.......", so I say "No", all is not forgiven.
These Cs are like the abuser in an abusive relationship where two people truly love each other. We are the abused.
They tell us they love us, they have to do better, that they are sorry, they change for awhile, and we are hooked again, because they have turned it around in the past, and WE TRULY WANT TO BELIEVE IT.
They then fall into that same pattern of behavior, and we are kicking ourselves again for having bought it, and somehow feel worse than we did before.
This team needs to be shaken to it's core, and I mean that literally and figuratively.
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Last year we had the best record in the NBA in the second half of the season with the same exact lineup.
We were also missing Wilcox and Green for.the season and had long stretches without Ray Allen, Pietrus and Dooling. We also were missing JO (Ha jk).
I still think this current team is a lot better than they have shown. Maybe last year they played over their heads in that stretch but this year we are playing completely under are heads.
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If they win the next 3 and some if not all of the following things happen all will be forgiven.
1. They don't force feed the ball to KG and Pierce when they aren't having a good night
2. Terry, Lee and Green are aggressive offensively.
3. Rondo attacks the bucket
4. Bass or Wilcox step up and give us good minutes.
5. Show that we can win on a night KG and Pierce don't have their legs.
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If they win the next 3 and some if not all of the following things happen all will be forgiven.
1. They don't force feed the ball to KG and Pierce when they aren't having a good night
2. Terry, Lee and Green are aggressive offensively.
3. Rondo attacks the bucket
4. Bass or Wilcox step up and give us good minutes.
5. Show that we can win on a night KG and Pierce don't have their legs.
If we do all those things than we are basically whatbwe were hoping for at the start of the season.
We have done #5 though just not consistently. My hope was with the young talent and depth that we acquired in the offseason that on those crappy nights against the Cavs Hornets Bobcats Raptors etc when our starters inevitably play down to competition that they would pick us up but it hasn't happened nearly enough.
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All good points or signs, but I also never want to see Pierce play more than three games in eight days. Old legs need longer recovery, and his game is such that he can play on tired legs less productively than KG can.
Sitting him every three or so games would also give us a chance to see Green as a regular spot starter. What we discover could be good or bad, but it should also help bring Green along.
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What's that old saying? "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice.......", so I say "No", all is not forgiven.
These Cs are like the abuser in an abusive relationship where two people truly love each other. We are the abused.
They tell us they love us, they have to do better, that they are sorry, they change for awhile, and we are hooked again, because they have turned it around in the past, and WE TRULY WANT TO BELIEVE IT.
They then fall into that same pattern of behavior, and we are kicking ourselves again for having bought it, and somehow feel worse than we did before.
This team needs to be shaken to it's core, and I mean that literally and figuratively.
TOMMY POINT! Could not have said it better. Nice analogy!
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We are a mediocre team that will not get out of the first round
Doc needs to focus o player developmemt. Get Pierce KG and ezpecially Rondo out of here.
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This team is on a nose dive.
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O.K. . . next three . . .
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Last year we had the best record in the NBA in the second half of the season with the same exact lineup.
We had the best record over 34 games?
Were we also the team with most female supporters aged 18-29?
Were we also the team with the highest amount of tip-offs won?
And, most importantly, have we done it Gangnam Style?
Those things are pretty important to me, too.
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tomorrow against the Hawks win or loss tonight ya know woud be very tough most likely an L....then we got Miami next sheesh with our play we could very well go 0-3