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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticConcourse on January 23, 2013, 03:42:20 PM
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Just wondering.
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Hehe
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As much as I want him to be in that fringe all-star/all-star range, I just don't see it happening. I'll take him all day as a solid starting small forward though.
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As much as I want him to be in that fringe all-star/all-star range, I just don't see it happening. I'll take him all day as a solid starting small forward though.
I think that's what most of us think.
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Somewhere between role-playing starter and solid starter. Depends on the team around him, and how well they can utilize his strengths.
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As much as I want him to be in that fringe all-star/all-star range, I just don't see it happening. I'll take him all day as a solid starting small forward though.
I think that's what most of us think.
Are you including yourself in that "us"? I was under the impression you saw Green as a 20 ppg all-star.
I've got no objection to people who think Green can be a 15 point, 6 rebound player in 36 minutes per night. That's what he's always been.
I just get queasy when people suggest that Green is suddenly going to take the leap to an all-star caliber player.
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As much as I want him to be in that fringe all-star/all-star range, I just don't see it happening. I'll take him all day as a solid starting small forward though.
I think that's what most of us think.
Are you including yourself in that "us"? I was under the impression you saw Green as a 20 ppg all-star.
I've got no objection to people who think Green can be a 15 point, 6 rebound player in 36 minutes per night. That's what he's always been.
I just get queasy when people suggest that Green is suddenly going to take the leap to an all-star caliber player.
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I see him as a 20/6/6 guy at his best and as good as Carmelo Anthony.. if played right. Which he can't be... unless he's the best SF on the team.
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Hopefully his future involves him on another team
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As much as I want him to be in that fringe all-star/all-star range, I just don't see it happening. I'll take him all day as a solid starting small forward though.
I think that's what most of us think.
Are you including yourself in that "us"? I was under the impression you saw Green as a 20 ppg all-star.
I've got no objection to people who think Green can be a 15 point, 6 rebound player in 36 minutes per night. That's what he's always been.
I just get queasy when people suggest that Green is suddenly going to take the leap to an all-star caliber player.
I see him as a 20/6/6 guy at his best and as good as Carmelo Anthony.. if played right. Which he can't be... unless he's the best SF on the team.
Yeah, there's where you lose me.
The 20 points is high, but whatever. I suppose in some bizarro world, Green could find his aggressive and increase his scoring output by about 25%.
The real objection is to the 6 assists (that will *never* happen), or the Carmelo-like play. I can't see either of these as a projection based in any type of reality.
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Solid starter/role player area.
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As much as I want him to be in that fringe all-star/all-star range, I just don't see it happening. I'll take him all day as a solid starting small forward though.
I think that's what most of us think.
Are you including yourself in that "us"? I was under the impression you saw Green as a 20 ppg all-star.
I've got no objection to people who think Green can be a 15 point, 6 rebound player in 36 minutes per night. That's what he's always been.
I just get queasy when people suggest that Green is suddenly going to take the leap to an all-star caliber player.
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I see him as a 20/6/6 guy at his best and as good as Carmelo Anthony.. if played right. Which he can't be... unless he's the best SF on the team.
This kid lacks the aggressiveness & fire of Carmelo Anthony. Its not really a switch you can turn on.
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If "In delusional posts on Celticsblog" were a possible answer, I would pick that.
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This kid lacks the aggressiveness & fire of Carmelo Anthony. Its not really a switch you can turn on.
Not to mention the talent. Carmelo simply has more of it.
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As much as I want him to be in that fringe all-star/all-star range, I just don't see it happening. I'll take him all day as a solid starting small forward though.
I think that's what most of us think.
Are you including yourself in that "us"? I was under the impression you saw Green as a 20 ppg all-star.
I've got no objection to people who think Green can be a 15 point, 6 rebound player in 36 minutes per night. That's what he's always been.
I just get queasy when people suggest that Green is suddenly going to take the leap to an all-star caliber player.
I see him as a 20/6/6 guy at his best and as good as Carmelo Anthony.. if played right. Which he can't be... unless he's the best SF on the team.
Yeah, there's where you lose me.
The 20 points is high, but whatever. I suppose in some bizarro world, Green could find his aggressive and increase his scoring output by about 25%.
The real objection is to the 6 assists (that will *never* happen), or the Carmelo-like play. I can't see either of these as a projection based in any type of reality.
The 20 points is likely when he's a focal point of the offense... SFs are usually focal points too, so that should work for him. He has the ability.
6 rebounds, he's been getting his whole career.
The 6 assists, I'm saying, is because if he has the ball in his hands, he can get assists. When you guys think he looks lost/unaggressive, I think he's scanning the court for options. He just holds the ball at the high post or to the side and finds the right man, typically. Six is certainly a stretch, maybe four is a better number. But he's certainly not "lost".
He's got the capability to play up to Carmelo...
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As much as I want him to be in that fringe all-star/all-star range, I just don't see it happening. I'll take him all day as a solid starting small forward though.
I think that's what most of us think.
Are you including yourself in that "us"? I was under the impression you saw Green as a 20 ppg all-star.
I've got no objection to people who think Green can be a 15 point, 6 rebound player in 36 minutes per night. That's what he's always been.
I just get queasy when people suggest that Green is suddenly going to take the leap to an all-star caliber player.
I see him as a 20/6/6 guy at his best and as good as Carmelo Anthony.. if played right. Which he can't be... unless he's the best SF on the team.
Yeah, there's where you lose me.
The 20 points is high, but whatever. I suppose in some bizarro world, Green could find his aggressive and increase his scoring output by about 25%.
The real objection is to the 6 assists (that will *never* happen), or the Carmelo-like play. I can't see either of these as a projection based in any type of reality.
The 20 points is likely when he's a focal point of the offense... SFs are usually focal points too, so that should work for him. He has the ability.
6 rebounds, he's been getting his whole career.
The 6 assists, I'm saying, is because if he has the ball in his hands, he can get assists. When you guys think he looks lost/unaggressive, I think he's scanning the court for options. He just holds the ball at the high post or to the side and finds the right man, typically. Six is certainly a stretch, maybe four is a better number. But he's certainly not "lost".
He's got the capability to play up to Carmelo...
How many wins do you think a team can get with the offense running through Green?
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As much as I want him to be in that fringe all-star/all-star range, I just don't see it happening. I'll take him all day as a solid starting small forward though.
I think that's what most of us think.
Are you including yourself in that "us"? I was under the impression you saw Green as a 20 ppg all-star.
I've got no objection to people who think Green can be a 15 point, 6 rebound player in 36 minutes per night. That's what he's always been.
I just get queasy when people suggest that Green is suddenly going to take the leap to an all-star caliber player.
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I see him as a 20/6/6 guy at his best and as good as Carmelo Anthony.. if played right. Which he can't be... unless he's the best SF on the team.
I can't stand Carmelo and think he's very overrated. But you just insulted the heck out of him.
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As much as I want him to be in that fringe all-star/all-star range, I just don't see it happening. I'll take him all day as a solid starting small forward though.
I think that's what most of us think.
Are you including yourself in that "us"? I was under the impression you saw Green as a 20 ppg all-star.
I've got no objection to people who think Green can be a 15 point, 6 rebound player in 36 minutes per night. That's what he's always been.
I just get queasy when people suggest that Green is suddenly going to take the leap to an all-star caliber player.
I see him as a 20/6/6 guy at his best and as good as Carmelo Anthony.. if played right. Which he can't be... unless he's the best SF on the team.
Yeah, there's where you lose me.
The 20 points is high, but whatever. I suppose in some bizarro world, Green could find his aggressive and increase his scoring output by about 25%.
The real objection is to the 6 assists (that will *never* happen), or the Carmelo-like play. I can't see either of these as a projection based in any type of reality.
The 20 points is likely when he's a focal point of the offense... SFs are usually focal points too, so that should work for him. He has the ability.
6 rebounds, he's been getting his whole career.
The 6 assists, I'm saying, is because if he has the ball in his hands, he can get assists. When you guys think he looks lost/unaggressive, I think he's scanning the court for options. He just holds the ball at the high post or to the side and finds the right man, typically. Six is certainly a stretch, maybe four is a better number. But he's certainly not "lost".
He's got the capability to play up to Carmelo...
How many wins do you think a team can get with the offense running through Green?
A third seed possibly. He's a better version of Paul George!
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When you guys think he looks lost/unaggressive, I think he's scanning the court for options.
He needs to work on scanning more quickly and decisively, then. :P
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If Jeff Green is ever our leader, we can be a Pacers-esque team for sure...
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When you guys think he looks lost/unaggressive, I think he's scanning the court for options.
He needs to work on scanning more quickly and decisively, then. :P
That, I must agree with you. He burns 6 seconds before he decides he wants to pull-up, pass, or post-up.
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Jeff Green is going to make someone super-duper happy in 3 years as a 8th man. Think Randy Foye, but as a 3/4.
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When you guys think he looks lost/unaggressive, I think he's scanning the court for options.
He needs to work on scanning more quickly and decisively, then. :P
agree with both points
I'd like to say Jeff can be a role player/starter
As a starter, he's averaged between 15-16ppg. I don't see how this is a bad thing.
I think what people want to change is the way he makes his shots. If they were all dunks or even all 3s, no one would have a problem with Jeffrey.
And he rarely gets double digit points without getting double digit FGA. Play him more. Give him more touches -- CONSISTENTLY!!
Let Jeff be Jeff and stop trying to make him PP 2.0.
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As much as I want him to be in that fringe all-star/all-star range, I just don't see it happening. I'll take him all day as a solid starting small forward though.
I think that's what most of us think.
Are you including yourself in that "us"? I was under the impression you saw Green as a 20 ppg all-star.
I've got no objection to people who think Green can be a 15 point, 6 rebound player in 36 minutes per night. That's what he's always been.
I just get queasy when people suggest that Green is suddenly going to take the leap to an all-star caliber player.
I see him as a 20/6/6 guy at his best and as good as Carmelo Anthony.. if played right. Which he can't be... unless he's the best SF on the team.
Yeah, there's where you lose me.
The 20 points is high, but whatever. I suppose in some bizarro world, Green could find his aggressive and increase his scoring output by about 25%.
The real objection is to the 6 assists (that will *never* happen), or the Carmelo-like play. I can't see either of these as a projection based in any type of reality.
The 20 points is likely when he's a focal point of the offense... SFs are usually focal points too, so that should work for him. He has the ability.
6 rebounds, he's been getting his whole career.
The 6 assists, I'm saying, is because if he has the ball in his hands, he can get assists. When you guys think he looks lost/unaggressive, I think he's scanning the court for options. He just holds the ball at the high post or to the side and finds the right man, typically. Six is certainly a stretch, maybe four is a better number. But he's certainly not "lost".
He's got the capability to play up to Carmelo...
How many wins do you think a team can get with the offense running through Green?
A third seed possibly. He's a better version of Paul George!
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When you guys think he looks lost/unaggressive, I think he's scanning the court for options.
He needs to work on scanning more quickly and decisively, then. :P
agree with both points
I'd like to say Jeff can be a role player/starter
As a starter, he's averaged between 15-16ppg. I don't see how this is a bad thing.
I think what people want to change is the way he makes his shots. If they were all dunks or even all 3s, no one would have a problem with Jeffrey.
And he rarely gets double digit points without getting double digit FGA. Play him more. Give him more touches -- CONSISTENTLY!!
Let Jeff be Jeff and stop trying to make him PP 2.0.
This. This! THIS!!!!!
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As much as I want him to be in that fringe all-star/all-star range, I just don't see it happening. I'll take him all day as a solid starting small forward though.
I think that's what most of us think.
Are you including yourself in that "us"? I was under the impression you saw Green as a 20 ppg all-star.
I've got no objection to people who think Green can be a 15 point, 6 rebound player in 36 minutes per night. That's what he's always been.
I just get queasy when people suggest that Green is suddenly going to take the leap to an all-star caliber player.
I see him as a 20/6/6 guy at his best and as good as Carmelo Anthony.. if played right. Which he can't be... unless he's the best SF on the team.
Yeah, there's where you lose me.
The 20 points is high, but whatever. I suppose in some bizarro world, Green could find his aggressive and increase his scoring output by about 25%.
The real objection is to the 6 assists (that will *never* happen), or the Carmelo-like play. I can't see either of these as a projection based in any type of reality.
The 20 points is likely when he's a focal point of the offense... SFs are usually focal points too, so that should work for him. He has the ability.
6 rebounds, he's been getting his whole career.
The 6 assists, I'm saying, is because if he has the ball in his hands, he can get assists. When you guys think he looks lost/unaggressive, I think he's scanning the court for options. He just holds the ball at the high post or to the side and finds the right man, typically. Six is certainly a stretch, maybe four is a better number. But he's certainly not "lost".
He's got the capability to play up to Carmelo...
How many wins do you think a team can get with the offense running through Green?
Offense running through Green? This means he gets mad touches every night and is the go-to guy?
I honestly think he's obviously average more points, which may get him playing differently. He's never been the #1 option on a team consistently. He averages 15-16 points in OKC as a third/fourth option out of position.
I think they could easily be a nice seed...maybe 6th, depending on who's around him.
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Offense running through Green? This means he gets mad touches every night and is the go-to guy?
I honestly think he's obviously average more points, which may get him playing differently. He's never been the #1 option on a team consistently. He averages 15-16 points in OKC as a third/fourth option out of position.
I think they could easily be a nice seed...maybe 6th, depending on who's around him.
That seems reasonable. I don't know if that would ever be any GM's plan though.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
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Offense running through Green? This means he gets mad touches every night and is the go-to guy?
I honestly think he's obviously average more points, which may get him playing differently. He's never been the #1 option on a team consistently. He averages 15-16 points in OKC as a third/fourth option out of position.
I think they could easily be a nice seed...maybe 6th, depending on who's around him.
That seems reasonable. I don't know if that would ever be any GM's plan though.
I disagree strongly. Jeff Green has never shown any kind of ability to lead an offense, and since his minutes have started predominantly coming at the 3, he hasn't put 3 good games in a row together since joining the Celtics.
It would take a special kind of crazy (in a GM or coach) to allow yourself to be put in a position where you're relying on Jeff Green to be your first option on offense. And, one would assume, it would be the type of crazy that will quickly find its self unemployed.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
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Offense running through Green? This means he gets mad touches every night and is the go-to guy?
I honestly think he's obviously average more points, which may get him playing differently. He's never been the #1 option on a team consistently. He averages 15-16 points in OKC as a third/fourth option out of position.
I think they could easily be a nice seed...maybe 6th, depending on who's around him.
That seems reasonable. I don't know if that would ever be any GM's plan though.
I disagree strongly. Jeff Green has never shown any kind of ability to lead an offense, and since his minutes have started predominantly coming at the 3, he hasn't put 3 good games in a row together since joining the Celtics.
It would take a special kind of crazy (in a GM or coach) to allow yourself to be put in a position where you're relying on Jeff Green to be your first option on offense. And, one would assume, it would be the type of crazy that will quickly find its self unemployed.
If anything, he should be the second- or third-option after Rondo (first) and Sully/Bradley (second)..
AKA, about as much usage as Garnett.
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Offense running through Green? This means he gets mad touches every night and is the go-to guy?
I honestly think he's obviously average more points, which may get him playing differently. He's never been the #1 option on a team consistently. He averages 15-16 points in OKC as a third/fourth option out of position.
I think they could easily be a nice seed...maybe 6th, depending on who's around him.
That seems reasonable. I don't know if that would ever be any GM's plan though.
I disagree strongly. Jeff Green has never shown any kind of ability to lead an offense, and since his minutes have started predominantly coming at the 3, he hasn't put 3 good games in a row together since joining the Celtics.
It would take a special kind of crazy (in a GM or coach) to allow yourself to be put in a position where you're relying on Jeff Green to be your first option on offense. And, one would assume, it would be the type of crazy that will quickly find its self unemployed.
it's just a hypothetical. relax.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
I can't get too angry at Danny, because I think that contract is still very movable, and while Green is frustrating to watch, signing him, actually gave the team more flexibility by preserving that salary spot to upgrade via trade.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
And this is the problem with a lot of people.
We don't pay Green. We just watch him play. So get over his contract.
Yes. I agree. It can be frustrating to watch him play, just like it's frustrating to see Rondo pass out when he has a layup or when Paul goes 3-15 and airballs his last three.
What are you saying to me? Because of his large contract, he ain't gon be (crap)? lol That makes 0 sense.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
I can't get too angry at Danny, because I think that contract is still very movable, and while Green is frustrating to watch, signing him, actually gave the team more flexibility by preserving that salary spot to upgrade via trade.
I don't think its untradable, but I just don't think 4 yrs 36 was necessary
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
I can't get too angry at Danny, because I think that contract is still very movable, and while Green is frustrating to watch, signing him, actually gave the team more flexibility by preserving that salary spot to upgrade via trade.
I don't think its untradable, but I just don't think 4 yrs 36 was necessary
same thing ppl said about Rondo's contract
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
And this is the problem with a lot of people.
We don't pay Green. We just watch him play. So get over his contract.
Yes. I agree. It can be frustrating to watch him play, just like it's frustrating to see Rondo pass out when he has a layup or when Paul goes 3-15 and airballs his last three.
What are you saying to me? Because of his large contract, he ain't gon be (crap)? lol That makes 0 sense.
Actually I am kinda paying since I go to games and watch the games helping tv ratings. And I'm gonna care about the money bc I care about the future of the team. So I think that theory makes no sense. And yes Green is a million times more frustrating to watch than Rondo and Pierce.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
And this is the problem with a lot of people.
We don't pay Green. We just watch him play. So get over his contract.
Yes. I agree. It can be frustrating to watch him play, just like it's frustrating to see Rondo pass out when he has a layup or when Paul goes 3-15 and airballs his last three.
What are you saying to me? Because of his large contract, he ain't gon be (crap)? lol That makes 0 sense.
Actually I am kinda paying since I go to games and watch the games helping tv ratings. And I'm gonna care about the money bc I care about the future of the team. So I think that theory makes no sense. And yes Green is a million times more frustrating to watch than Rondo and Pierce.
His so-called unaggressiveness is actually his ability to scan the floor better than anyone not named Rajon Rondo or Kevin Garnett.
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I voted for solid starter. I disagree that last year's Brandon Bass qualifies as that though.
I think the voting misses two steps in average starter + above average starter in between the solid starter (below average but capable) and borderline All-Star. I would've voted for Green in one of those categories instead of solid starter if available.
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His so-called unaggressiveness is actually his ability to scan the floor better than anyone not named Rajon Rondo or Kevin Garnett.
What on earth is this claim based upon?
If Green had this ability, wouldn't it translate on the court somehow? Perhaps he'd have a really good assist-to-turnover ratio, or he'd be extremely efficient. Something other than a nonsense claim?
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I think that, if he works hard, Jeff Green has a puncher's chance at being the next James Posey. i.e. he will be a career role player who perhaps will find himself in a lineup next to a couple of superstars for a year or two in which he will look, statistically, like a top-20 SF.
Overall, if he keeps working on his outside shot, he can stick in the league as a solid defender and scorer off the bench, i.e. what he is about half the time right now. After this contract is up, he will manage to get $5 million or so from somebody.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
And this is the problem with a lot of people.
We don't pay Green. We just watch him play. So get over his contract.
Yes. I agree. It can be frustrating to watch him play, just like it's frustrating to see Rondo pass out when he has a layup or when Paul goes 3-15 and airballs his last three.
What are you saying to me? Because of his large contract, he ain't gon be (crap)? lol That makes 0 sense.
Actually I am kinda paying since I go to games and watch the games helping tv ratings. And I'm gonna care about the money bc I care about the future of the team. So I think that theory makes no sense. And yes Green is a million times more frustrating to watch than Rondo and Pierce.
$300/$400 for Season tickets? Gosh! That's so much of his salary!! I, too, care about the future. And I do my part by viewing and voting. I don't pay the guys, though.
Green is not a million times more frustrating to watch, mainly because he doesn't get half the play or touches Paul/Rondo gets.
You just feel so entitled to his contract. I want to know what you want from Jeff Green. I don't think he will be developed behind Paul Pierce. His growth is certainly stunted right now. He had no development in OKC -- he was fresh out of college, they were trying to put things together.
He needs the proper attention. I'd like if he did some things in the off season with maybe James Worthy or worked out with another NBA star to get some development. Everyone has this idea of what they want him to be and put no effort into making him that. He's raw talent. Doc also doesn't seem like a raw talent developer kind of guy.
Just like a vocalist has raw talent and sounds good, they still need vocal training to be better. I feel like Jeff has never had that. Just been a raw talent type of guy.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
And this is the problem with a lot of people.
We don't pay Green. We just watch him play. So get over his contract.
Yes. I agree. It can be frustrating to watch him play, just like it's frustrating to see Rondo pass out when he has a layup or when Paul goes 3-15 and airballs his last three.
What are you saying to me? Because of his large contract, he ain't gon be (crap)? lol That makes 0 sense.
Actually I am kinda paying since I go to games and watch the games helping tv ratings. And I'm gonna care about the money bc I care about the future of the team. So I think that theory makes no sense. And yes Green is a million times more frustrating to watch than Rondo and Pierce.
His so-called unaggressiveness is actually his ability to scan the floor better than anyone not named Rajon Rondo or Kevin Garnett.
I've never heard unaggressiveness spun that way before.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
And this is the problem with a lot of people.
We don't pay Green. We just watch him play. So get over his contract.
Yes. I agree. It can be frustrating to watch him play, just like it's frustrating to see Rondo pass out when he has a layup or when Paul goes 3-15 and airballs his last three.
What are you saying to me? Because of his large contract, he ain't gon be (crap)? lol That makes 0 sense.
Actually I am kinda paying since I go to games and watch the games helping tv ratings. And I'm gonna care about the money bc I care about the future of the team. So I think that theory makes no sense. And yes Green is a million times more frustrating to watch than Rondo and Pierce.
His so-called unaggressiveness is actually his ability to scan the floor better than anyone not named Rajon Rondo or Kevin Garnett.
I've never heard unaggressiveness spun that way before.
Can't wait to hear what people think about his inaccurate jump shot. Is it because he's distracted by all the potential jump shots he could be taking?
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
And this is the problem with a lot of people.
We don't pay Green. We just watch him play. So get over his contract.
Yes. I agree. It can be frustrating to watch him play, just like it's frustrating to see Rondo pass out when he has a layup or when Paul goes 3-15 and airballs his last three.
What are you saying to me? Because of his large contract, he ain't gon be (crap)? lol That makes 0 sense.
Actually I am kinda paying since I go to games and watch the games helping tv ratings. And I'm gonna care about the money bc I care about the future of the team. So I think that theory makes no sense. And yes Green is a million times more frustrating to watch than Rondo and Pierce.
$300/$400 for Season tickets? Gosh! That's so much of his salary!! I, too, care about the future. And I do my part by viewing and voting. I don't pay the guys, though.
Green is not a million times more frustrating to watch, mainly because he doesn't get half the play or touches Paul/Rondo gets.
You just feel so entitled to his contract. I want to know what you want from Jeff Green. I don't think he will be developed behind Paul Pierce. His growth is certainly stunted right now. He had no development in OKC -- he was fresh out of college, they were trying to put things together.
He needs the proper attention. I'd like if he did some things in the off season with maybe James Worthy or worked out with another NBA star to get some development. Everyone has this idea of what they want him to be and put no effort into making him that. He's raw talent. Doc also doesn't seem like a raw talent developer kind of guy.
Just like a vocalist has raw talent and sounds good, they still need vocal training to be better. I feel like Jeff has never had that. Just been a raw talent type of guy.
You might be my god?
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
I can't get too angry at Danny, because I think that contract is still very movable, and while Green is frustrating to watch, signing him, actually gave the team more flexibility by preserving that salary spot to upgrade via trade.
I don't think its untradable, but I just don't think 4 yrs 36 was necessary
same thing ppl said about Rondo's contract
I don't remember anyone saying that about Rondo
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Poor Jeff, is he as much a polarizing figure on celtics blog as rondo?
either way, I voted for solid starter/fringe all star
Jeff is a good #2 more likely #3 option as a starting sf for a good team. He is not and will never be the offensive player that PP is, however in the history of celtics basketball paul really is one of the best scorers (scorers) ever. So we don't' need to compare him that way. Will Green ever be as good as Lebron or Carmelo, NO not in same class. He can put up good solid numbers across the board and play good defense. I don't think that is really fringe all star, especially with the new voting for front line players instead of forwards centers etc.
Give Jeff shots and he'll put up good numbers. We ran plays for him in preseason specific plays and he looked REAL good. Since then he isn't given the ball in the position to score much at all. I can't figure why there aren't a few plays to go to his or terry's strengths. Our offense has been reduced to pp iso (aaa) , pass it around until someone jacks a jumper or the rondo break down the offense. This should be on the coaching staff, very very predictable offense.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
I can't get too angry at Danny, because I think that contract is still very movable, and while Green is frustrating to watch, signing him, actually gave the team more flexibility by preserving that salary spot to upgrade via trade.
I don't think its untradable, but I just don't think 4 yrs 36 was necessary
same thing ppl said about Rondo's contract
I don't remember anyone saying that about Rondo
Same thing the general population said about Rondo's contract.
Didn't say you did or didn't. Just pointing it out. I can do that, right?
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
I can't get too angry at Danny, because I think that contract is still very movable, and while Green is frustrating to watch, signing him, actually gave the team more flexibility by preserving that salary spot to upgrade via trade.
I don't think its untradable, but I just don't think 4 yrs 36 was necessary
same thing ppl said about Rondo's contract
I don't remember anyone saying that about Rondo
Exactly. As I recall, a lot of people on here already considered that deal a bargain.
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Poor Jeff, is he as much a polarizing figure on celtics blog as rondo?
either way, I voted for solid starter/fringe all star
Jeff is a good #2 more likely #3 option as a starting sf for a good team. He is not and will never be the offensive player that PP is, however in the history of celtics basketball paul really is one of the best scorers (scorers) ever. So we don't' need to compare him that way. Will Green ever be as good as Lebron or Carmelo, NO not in same class. He can put up good solid numbers across the board and play good defense. I don't think that is really fringe all star, especially with the new voting for front line players instead of forwards centers etc.
Give Jeff shots and he'll put up good numbers. We ran plays for him in preseason specific plays and he looked REAL good. Since then he isn't given the ball in the position to score much at all. I can't figure why there aren't a few plays to go to his or terry's strengths. Our offense has been reduced to pp iso (aaa) , pass it around until someone jacks a jumper or the rondo break down the offense. This should be on the coaching staff, very very predictable offense.
agreed
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
I can't get too angry at Danny, because I think that contract is still very movable, and while Green is frustrating to watch, signing him, actually gave the team more flexibility by preserving that salary spot to upgrade via trade.
I don't think its untradable, but I just don't think 4 yrs 36 was necessary
same thing ppl said about Rondo's contract
I don't remember anyone saying that about Rondo
Exactly. As I recall, a lot of people on here already considered that deal a bargain.
Now, yes. We're paying an all star 11 mill!!
But 2 years ago everyone was rather confused.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
I can't get too angry at Danny, because I think that contract is still very movable, and while Green is frustrating to watch, signing him, actually gave the team more flexibility by preserving that salary spot to upgrade via trade.
I don't think its untradable, but I just don't think 4 yrs 36 was necessary
same thing ppl said about Rondo's contract
I don't remember anyone saying that about Rondo
Exactly. As I recall, a lot of people on here already considered that deal a bargain.
Now, yes. We're paying an all star 11 mill!!
But 2 years ago everyone was rather confused.
What the heck are you talking about?
Ask most people who were on these boards bakc then or, heck, go back and look for yourself.
His contract was nowhwere near scrutinized as much as Green's and was seen in a much different light.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
I can't get too angry at Danny, because I think that contract is still very movable, and while Green is frustrating to watch, signing him, actually gave the team more flexibility by preserving that salary spot to upgrade via trade.
I don't think its untradable, but I just don't think 4 yrs 36 was necessary
While I also thought going into the offseason that he would be able to be signed to a much more team friendly deal, I make a point to never question market value, particularly with a GM that I respect like Ainge. We were not privy to the negotiations, nor were the reporters who have sounded off about how bad a signing they think it was. We do not know what other teams were willing to offer.
All I know is that when you take out the missed season, which apparently they really did completely write off as an anomale, the contract pretty much matches up with other similar players, based on age, skillset, production, etc.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
And this is the problem with a lot of people.
We don't pay Green. We just watch him play. So get over his contract.
Yes. I agree. It can be frustrating to watch him play, just like it's frustrating to see Rondo pass out when he has a layup or when Paul goes 3-15 and airballs his last three.
What are you saying to me? Because of his large contract, he ain't gon be (crap)? lol That makes 0 sense.
Actually I am kinda paying since I go to games and watch the games helping tv ratings. And I'm gonna care about the money bc I care about the future of the team. So I think that theory makes no sense. And yes Green is a million times more frustrating to watch than Rondo and Pierce.
$300/$400 for Season tickets? Gosh! That's so much of his salary!! I, too, care about the future. And I do my part by viewing and voting. I don't pay the guys, though.
Green is not a million times more frustrating to watch, mainly because he doesn't get half the play or touches Paul/Rondo gets.
You just feel so entitled to his contract. I want to know what you want from Jeff Green. I don't think he will be developed behind Paul Pierce. His growth is certainly stunted right now. He had no development in OKC -- he was fresh out of college, they were trying to put things together.
He needs the proper attention. I'd like if he did some things in the off season with maybe James Worthy or worked out with another NBA star to get some development. Everyone has this idea of what they want him to be and put no effort into making him that. He's raw talent. Doc also doesn't seem like a raw talent developer kind of guy.
Just like a vocalist has raw talent and sounds good, they still need vocal training to be better. I feel like Jeff has never had that. Just been a raw talent type of guy.
Actually no fans=no NBA, so brushing that aside doesn't make sense.
He also is not raw talent, he's 26 and been in the NBA for 6 years. Drummond is raw talent, MKG is raw talent, Green is set in stone.
I don't hate Green, I just don't think he's some Carmello/1st option type player that has been in such poor situations throughout his career.
As far as what I want from Green....I just want him to be aggresive, although I'm being told that it's just him and his great court vision while he avg more turnovers than assists in his career.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
I can't get too angry at Danny, because I think that contract is still very movable, and while Green is frustrating to watch, signing him, actually gave the team more flexibility by preserving that salary spot to upgrade via trade.
I don't think its untradable, but I just don't think 4 yrs 36 was necessary
While I also thought going into the offseason that he would be able to be signed to a much more team friendly deal, I make a point to never question market value, particularly with a GM that I respect like Ainge. We were not privy to the negotiations, nor were the reporters who have sounded off about how bad a signing they think it was. We do not know what other teams were willing to offer.
All I know is that when you take out the missed season, which apparently they really did completely write off as an anomale, the contract pretty much matches up with other similar players, based on age, skillset, production, etc.
That's what I felt.
Didn't we trade him as a 9 mil guy?
So he's got a good agent!
I was concerned about the 4 years thing, but if they get more out of Green (by giving him more playing time), I think the contract becomes less of an issue.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
I can't get too angry at Danny, because I think that contract is still very movable, and while Green is frustrating to watch, signing him, actually gave the team more flexibility by preserving that salary spot to upgrade via trade.
I don't think its untradable, but I just don't think 4 yrs 36 was necessary
same thing ppl said about Rondo's contract
I don't remember anyone saying that about Rondo
Exactly. As I recall, a lot of people on here already considered that deal a bargain.
Now, yes. We're paying an all star 11 mill!!
But 2 years ago everyone was rather confused.
What the heck are you talking about?
Ask most people who were on these boards bakc then or, heck, go back and look for yourself.
His contract was nowhwere near scrutinized as much as Green's and was seen in a much different light.
Yeah, I think the reaction was pretty positive from Celtics fans, at least here on the blog:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=32654.0
There's going to be some hand-wringing in any transaction, but from what I remember, the fan base was on board with Rondo's extension, and reacted largely negatively to Green's contract terms.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
I can't get too angry at Danny, because I think that contract is still very movable, and while Green is frustrating to watch, signing him, actually gave the team more flexibility by preserving that salary spot to upgrade via trade.
I don't think its untradable, but I just don't think 4 yrs 36 was necessary
same thing ppl said about Rondo's contract
I don't remember anyone saying that about Rondo
Exactly. As I recall, a lot of people on here already considered that deal a bargain.
Now, yes. We're paying an all star 11 mill!!
But 2 years ago everyone was rather confused.
What the heck are you talking about?
Ask most people who were on these boards bakc then or, heck, go back and look for yourself.
His contract was nowhwere near scrutinized as much as Green's and was seen in a much different light.
Yeah I guess everyone hated the Rondo signing. ::)
And Jeff Green isn't passive, he's scanning the floor bc he's such a playmaker avg 1.7 turnovers and 1.6 assists in his career.
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Is anyone else thinking that "CelticConcourse" and "kgainez" is the same guy? lol
no because kgainez is a lady :)
secondly, I apologize that I happen to be ok with Jeff's game. Could he use improvement? Absolutely! But I've come to terms that Jeff is not Paul, LeBron, Deng or whomever. He's Jeff.
And I promise you. Once you accept that, this season will be much easier.
I spent the first 20 or so games of the season just like you. Hating Jeff.
I don't hate Green, it's just frustrating to watch him play. I more angry at Ainge giving him that contract than Green for his play. To me Green is what he is at this point.
I can't get too angry at Danny, because I think that contract is still very movable, and while Green is frustrating to watch, signing him, actually gave the team more flexibility by preserving that salary spot to upgrade via trade.
I don't think its untradable, but I just don't think 4 yrs 36 was necessary
same thing ppl said about Rondo's contract
I don't remember anyone saying that about Rondo
Exactly. As I recall, a lot of people on here already considered that deal a bargain.
Now, yes. We're paying an all star 11 mill!!
But 2 years ago everyone was rather confused.
What the heck are you talking about?
Ask most people who were on these boards bakc then or, heck, go back and look for yourself.
His contract was nowhwere near scrutinized as much as Green's and was seen in a much different light.
Yeah I guess everyone hated the Rondo signing. ::)
And Jeff Green isn't passive, he's scanning the floor bc he's such a playmaker avg 1.7 turnovers and 1.6 assists in his career.
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goodness
and you pay so much of everyone's salary ::)
carpal tunnel from signing checks, guy!
I can stand corrected on the Rondo thing. That's cool.
And I've never said that about Jeff lol. If that's what he's doing, speed it up.
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The Jeff Green is God stuff over and over again is getting ridiculous.
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The Jeff Green is God stuff over and over again is getting ridiculous.
No one said he's god.
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The Jeff Green is God stuff over and over again is getting ridiculous.
you're mad, guy.
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My favorite thing I think I have ever read on this board is that Jeff Green is one of the best in the NBA at scanning the floor. ;D