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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: fanofgreen on January 22, 2013, 10:23:19 PM
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I could rant about the problems of this team, but don't have the energy (much like....well I said i wont rant)!
Anyway, read into this what you will but Avery Bradleys twitter account, he says:
"Nobody will score 40 on me unless they take 40 shots"
https://twitter.com/Avery_Bradley
Obvious yet subtle shot at Rondo imo, and probably Doc.
Thought this was interesting.
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Well i mean...
What's the point of having a 6'2 180 pound "lockdown defender" if you don't trot him out against a team's 6'3 191 pound phenom point guard?
Bradley is a one dimensional role player. Shouldn't he have been defending Irving all game?
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Rondo must have demanded the assignment.
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Avery Bradley @Avery_Bradley
No shots at anybody. Its confidence
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Cmon Bradley, don't start crap
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I only saw the last few minutes of the game. So who had KI for most of the game? Had to be AB right?
It doesn't really matter though. KI just couldn't miss during the last few minutes of the game. We couldn't stop his penetration and he wasn't missing.
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Yeah that sounds like a shot at Rondo for sure.
I thought it was odd he wasn't playing him but figured they didn't want to work him too hard assupposedly isn't healthy and playing with messed up ribs against irving would certainly be a resipe to re injure.
In any case Irving looked pretty good even when he was matched up against Bradley. Bradley got called for a couple fouls on the few possessions he played him and got scored on a bunch.
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He just deleted it. That can't be good news.
The media's going to jump all over this. Just what the team needs right now. ::)
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What a dumb move, I thought he was the kind of player that I wouldn't have to worry about with this crap.
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Yeah that is a pretty dumb move.
Shockingly dumb
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They just show that tweet on comcast that Bradley sent out on Twitter after the game. It was quickly deleted . Is he taking a shot at teammates ?
sry didn't see the other thread already started
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Really dumb move.. Not what we needed at all.. Def. a shot at Rondo.
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He then tweeted "no shots at anyone, just confidence", but who knows. Doesn't sound like something Bradley would do.
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Well i mean...
What's the point of having a 6'2 180 pound "lockdown defender" if you don't trot him out against a team's 6'3 191 pound phenom point guard?
Bradley is a one dimensional role player. Shouldn't he have been defending Irving all game?
You just can't help it. Avery is far from one dimensional player. The system holds him back like it does with Terry, and Green.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B160-NrWQvg
Sorry Rondo. But Avery is the future of this team.
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I don't think it was a shot at Rondo, Irving didnt even get 40 did he? I think its a shot at the refs because he couldn't guard him due to the whistle. It's just a you're lucky I wasn't able to guard you..type of aimed at Kyrie. It seems like that at least.
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It's definitely frustration. He obviously thinks he would have done a better job of containing Kyrie than others did.
He's probably right, too.
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Well i mean...
What's the point of having a 6'2 180 pound "lockdown defender" if you don't trot him out against a team's 6'3 191 pound phenom point guard?
Bradley is a one dimensional role player. Shouldn't he have been defending Irving all game?
While I agree with this, they did put him on Kyrie a couple times, and Irving just got him in foul trouble almost immediately.
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Very much doubt it's a shot at Rondo. Probably tweeted it, saw it could be taken the wrong way and deleted it.
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Sit your butt down, youngun. You're flying before you can run. Until you're half the player Rondo is, you shouldn't be talking. Rondo's been there and done it. He's arguably the best point in the league.
I just lost a lot of respect for Avery. And to think Rondo has been his fan since he came to Boston.
That is really sheisty, Bradley. Dirty.
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This is just a young, uber-confident and talented defensive player showing his frustration.
Young guys sometimes speak before they think. It happens. I doubt this is gonna cause any rifts.
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Very much doubt it's a shot at Rondo. Probably tweeted it, saw it could be taken the wrong way and deleted it.
This is what I think.
Bradley wasn't taking a shot at Doc or Rondo. He was venting after a loss, one in which his defensive assignment was another player and he had to watch a great player go off for big points that contributed to the loss.
He read it, probably got some text responses asking who he is mad at, realized the Tweet could be looked at in different lights from different views so he reTweeted and then deleted the original Tweet.
No biggie. Dude just hates losing. I can understand that
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Well i mean...
What's the point of having a 6'2 180 pound "lockdown defender" if you don't trot him out against a team's 6'3 191 pound phenom point guard?
Bradley is a one dimensional role player. Shouldn't he have been defending Irving all game?
You just can't help it. Avery is far from one dimensional player. The system holds him back like it does with Terry, and Green.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B160-NrWQvg
Sorry Rondo. But Avery is the future of this system.
oh come on ::) ... You might as well have showed me Jeremy Lin highlights against the Lakers as proof that he's a superstar. That Atlanta game was an aberration and in no way reflective of Avery being a great offensive option. That game is a perfect example of "the element of surprise" in the NBA. I'll refer to that as Stuart Tanner syndrome. In Atlanta, the role of Stuart Tanner was played by Avery Bradley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysv3v7uXblw
Avery's a one dimensional player. Undersized, admirable defensive intensity, great energy... and poor offensively.
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It was definitely a shot at Rondo or maybe Doc.
The quote doesn't make any sense without it. And if he didn't realize it would be taken that way he's an idiot.
Saying what he said is a shot at them whether he "meant it or not.
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Here's hoping Rondo doesn't take it personal consider he's a very emotional player. Dirty move by Bradley for sure. He's really buying into his own hype...
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I absolutely love this - hope it was a shot at Rondo (my fav player of past X years). Air things out and force individuals to take responsibility. No changes will come until that happens. Bradley is the only one that goes out and balls every game. He's the only tough player on this team. He can/should say what he wants, especially when he's right.
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Well i mean...
What's the point of having a 6'2 180 pound "lockdown defender" if you don't trot him out against a team's 6'3 191 pound phenom point guard?
Bradley is a one dimensional role player. Shouldn't he have been defending Irving all game?
You just can't help it. Avery is far from one dimensional player. The system holds him back like it does with Terry, and Green.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B160-NrWQvg
Sorry Rondo. But Avery is the future of this team.
oh come on ::) ... You might as well have showed me Jeremy Lin highlights against the Lakers as proof that he's a superstar. That Atlanta game was an aberration and in no way reflective of Avery being a great offensive option. That game is a perfect example of "the element of surprise" in the NBA. I'll refer to that as Stuart Tanner syndrome. In Atlanta, the role of Stuart Tanner was played by Avery Bradley.
Avery's a one dimensional player. Undersized, admirable defensive intensity, great energy... and poor offensively.
We can agree to disagree. I think Avery is capable of much more. In a different system players like Avery, Green, and Terry would all be scoring in mid-teens. off course Avery with much ceiling than other two.
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more proof of the truth to the old Ben Franklin saying: "better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you're a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".
(not exact words but pretty close)
don't understand why anyone thinks anything positive will come from spouting off crap on the fly and sending it out for the world to see.
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I don't think it was a shot at Rondo, Irving didnt even get 40 did he? I think its a shot at the refs because he couldn't guard him due to the whistle. It's just a you're lucky I wasn't able to guard you..type of aimed at Kyrie. It seems like that at least.
What he said.
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I think it is a shot, even though Kyrie can drop 40 on anybody. I have this feeling this is a "motivation shot" but it looked like he's throwing Rondo under.
The question is, how will Rondo respond?
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Here's hoping Rondo doesn't take it personal consider he's a very emotional player. Dirty move by Bradley for sure. He's really buying into his own hype...
what is he going to do? Bump Avery? ;D
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Here's hoping Rondo doesn't take it personal consider he's a very emotional player. Dirty move by Bradley for sure. He's really buying into his own hype...
what is he going to do? Bump Avery? ;D
sock him in the shoulder?
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That's not quite what AB said.. He said, direct quote, "please stop saying he gave me 40. Nobody will ever score 40 on me unless they take 40 shots."
Sounds more like someone was giving him grief about Irving scoring 40 and this wasn't just an unprovoked attack on Rondo.
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Poor AB, saying what everyone was thinking... just wish he wouldn't have! LOL Dang ABeast, why???
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Sit your butt down, youngun. You're flying before you can run. Until you're half the player Rondo is, you shouldn't be talking. Rondo's been there and done it. He's arguably the best point in the league.
I just lost a lot of respect for Avery. And to think Rondo has been his fan since he came to Boston.
That is really sheisty, Bradley. Dirty.
well at least AB's playing hard every game, every time he is on the court not like your uhh best point in the league. this is just a frustration tweet me thinks and not directly pointing to your best point guard (if he feels like playing that is).
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That's not quite what AB said.. He said, direct quote, "please stop saying he gave me 40. Nobody will ever score 40 on me unless they take 40 shots."
Sounds more like someone was giving him grief about Irving scoring 40 and this wasn't just an unprovoked attack on Rondo.
Makes sense... thank you.
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Yes, AB should have just kept quiet since things are going so well in Beantown?????????????? Are you all being serious??
Something had to be said. I am thrilled he said it. RR get owned by KI (37 efficiency rating to 22). It is time to dangle RR for Cousins and Evans. Do it Danny. Do it now.
Smitty77
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Nobody should ever score 40 on Rondo period!!! He is 6'1 super long arms, big strong hands & very Athletic & quick. So with that said, letting another PG your size with less PHYSICAL GIFTS dominate you on 1 side of the ball is a total lack of effort. Rondo needs to be called out & traded soon if he can't handle this professionally or agree to be more accountable on Defense! Its just a reality check to make Rondo shape up before we ship him out.
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Nobody should ever score 40 on Rondo period!!! He is 6'1 super long arms, big strong hands & very Athletic & quick. So with that said, letting another PG your size with less PHYSICAL GIFTS dominate you on 1 side of the ball is a total lack of effort. Rondo needs to be called out & traded soon if he can't handle this professionally or agree to be more accountable on Defense! Its just a reality check to make Rondo shape up before we ship him out.
Irving is one of the best scorers in the game of basketball. He hit some really difficult shots in that game too.
You can't tell the best defensive player to stop Jordan from scoring when Jordan is feeling it.
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Bradley is a good defender but Uncle Drew is a better scorer. He can drop 40 on anyone.
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That's not quite what AB said.. He said, direct quote, "please stop saying he gave me 40. Nobody will ever score 40 on me unless they take 40 shots."
Sounds more like someone was giving him grief about Irving scoring 40 and this wasn't just an unprovoked attack on Rondo.
Makes sense... thank you.
Yes. Thank you! Just as I suspected, not a big deal and people making a mountain out of a molehill.
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you have to admit thats a very confident tweet avery made. I like the tweet because it says a lot about how he prides his defense
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Nobody should ever score 40 on Rondo period!!! He is 6'1 super long arms, big strong hands & very Athletic & quick. So with that said, letting another PG your size with less PHYSICAL GIFTS dominate you on 1 side of the ball is a total lack of effort. Rondo needs to be called out & traded soon if he can't handle this professionally or agree to be more accountable on Defense! Its just a reality check to make Rondo shape up before we ship him out.
Irving is one of the best scorers in the game of basketball. He hit some really difficult shots in that game too.
You can't tell the best defensive player to stop Jordan from scoring when Jordan is feeling it.
Don't ever mention Irving in the same sentence as Jordan! Plus MJ was 6'6 & always the player with the best physical gifts! You Rondo heads need to quit making excuses for him. If Kyrie had scored 40 on Gerald Green you would be wanting him to be released. Now that's honesty!
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Oh for petes sake, does every little comment need negatively scrutinized? This is a non issue, let it go.
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Oh for petes sake, does every little comment need negatively scrutinized? This is a non issue, let it go.
Im not trying to be negative at all, I just think Rondo's style of playing when he wants to is getting old. The Celtics need playoff Rondo for 82 games. It's not hard to play hard eveey night, it just takes EFFORT & DESIRE.
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What bothers me is that it is only 48 minutes of basketball. given that the level of play is far greater than any that we have played in our lives but come on they are well-conditioned athletes. Why can't they give full effort everynight when they play?
Its not like they will die if they give full effort for 48 minutes. hell, if i had the paycheck they have i'd give my all every minute of that 48 minute period.
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I think it is a shot, even though Kyrie can drop 40 on anybody. I have this feeling this is a "motivation shot" but it looked like he's throwing Rondo under.
The question is, how will Rondo respond?
Avery Bradley trying to motivate Rondo? I don't see it.
I think Avery was in his own head when he sent that. As others have mentioned, foul trouble was a problem for him and he is focusing on himself in the text -- that no one should score like that on him. I don't think Rondo was on his mind at all.
I really doubt that Bradley expects anyone else to defend like him. It is his thing.
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What bothers me is that it is only 48 minutes of basketball. given that the level of play is far greater than any that we have played in our lives but come on they are well-conditioned athletes. Why can't they give full effort everynight when they play?
Its not like they will die if they give full effort for 48 minutes. hell, if i had the paycheck they have i'd give my all every minute of that 48 minute period.
You can only sprint for so long before you get sloppy. You have to pace yourself. The human body can only do so much. Only so much oxygen flows through your muscles.
Look at KG and how he has a history in Boston of working so hard in the first 3 quarters that he is sapped in the 4th.
Also, some of the guys are past their prime and have chronic conditions that add to the problem.
Talking about "full effort" is so subjective, I have no idea what people are expecting. Have everyone play like Bradley on defense and our shooting percentage will drop. Guys will be exhausted.
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Sit your butt down, youngun. You're flying before you can run. Until you're half the player Rondo is, you shouldn't be talking. Rondo's been there and done it. He's arguably the best point in the league.
I just lost a lot of respect for Avery. And to think Rondo has been his fan since he came to Boston.
That is really sheisty, Bradley. Dirty.
Rondo is absolutely NOT the best PG in the league, Chris Paul is and there's no argument to be had.
Bradley is arguably the best perimeter defender in the league tho, an area where Rondo has been shall we say...lacking.
And the frustrating part is that its nothing to do with ability. Rondo has proven he can be the one of the top 5 defensive PG's in the league when he wants to. Sadly he doesn't seem to want to very often.
I can accept guys who are limited by lack of talent, can accept guys just having a bad shooting night. Can't accept guys who lose you games through laziness and lack of effort/caring.
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Nobody should ever score 40 on Rondo period!!! He is 6'1 super long arms, big strong hands & very Athletic & quick. So with that said, letting another PG your size with less PHYSICAL GIFTS dominate you on 1 side of the ball is a total lack of effort. Rondo needs to be called out & traded soon if he can't handle this professionally or agree to be more accountable on Defense! Its just a reality check to make Rondo shape up before we ship him out.
Irving is one of the best scorers in the game of basketball. He hit some really difficult shots in that game too.
You can't tell the best defensive player to stop Jordan from scoring when Jordan is feeling it.
Oh, so Irving is as good as Jordan now? *sigh*
Irving is more Tim Hardaway or Monta Ellis than Michael Jordan. He is not an unstoppable force, we just have a crappy defensive PG.
If only Jordan-calibre PGs could explode against us, then abotu 70% of the teams in the league must have 6'0" MJ's.
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Well i mean...
What's the point of having a 6'2 180 pound "lockdown defender" if you don't trot him out against a team's 6'3 191 pound phenom point guard?
Bradley is a one dimensional role player. Shouldn't he have been defending Irving all game?
You just can't help it. Avery is far from one dimensional player. The system holds him back like it does with Terry, and Green.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B160-NrWQvg
Sorry Rondo. But Avery is the future of this system.
oh come on ::) ... You might as well have showed me Jeremy Lin highlights against the Lakers as proof that he's a superstar. That Atlanta game was an aberration and in no way reflective of Avery being a great offensive option. That game is a perfect example of "the element of surprise" in the NBA. I'll refer to that as Stuart Tanner syndrome. In Atlanta, the role of Stuart Tanner was played by Avery Bradley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysv3v7uXblw
Avery's a one dimensional player. Undersized, admirable defensive intensity, great energy... and poor offensively.
::) yeah we get it. you dont like bradley, no need to continuously take a subtle jab at him in every post you make.
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http://audio.weei.com/a/70010974/doc-rivers-with-sean-grande-on-the-state-of-the-celtics-and-terry-francona.htm
Grande: "... You used the term trending a lot, when you weren't getting some wins. You said you like the way the team was trending. But during the final couple games of the winning streak you didn't like the way the team was trending."
Doc: "Yeah, i wish i was wrong on that one. I just tought we went trough starting trending back to the way we were playing before we start the winning. And that is gambling on defense, getting beat off the dribble, walking the ball up the floor, not cutting the way we should. And we're just not that team to be able to that and win games."
Grande: " Are these the things you talked earlier about? ... You talked about the easy way? What's an example, what's an intangible on the course of the game that is the easy way versus the hard way?"
Doc: "Well a lot of things. In pick'n'roll (defense) going under the pick. Or even single double coverage on defense, just taking shorcuts, instead of doing the coverage, becauese the coverage is harder. It's harder for the offense to score but also easier for you to cut a corner. And thats what we're been doning."
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Doc didn't directly said it's Rondo but these things, gambling on defense, getting beat off the dribble, walking the ball up the floor, going under pick'n'roll screens sound a lot like Rondo.
Thoughts? Is it just me or does Doc mean Rondo with some of these things?
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Very much doubt it's a shot at Rondo. Probably tweeted it, saw it could be taken the wrong way and deleted it.
It's a shot at whoever didn't put him on Irving. That's either Doc or Rondo, or both.
I applaud his statement.
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Very much doubt it's a shot at Rondo. Probably tweeted it, saw it could be taken the wrong way and deleted it.
bingo
but it'll be given lots of discussion here either way
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Rondo deserves it especially after that defensive performance yesterday (I think).
Im sorry, but I didnt see the game yesterday. Can anyone tell me why Avery wasnt guarding Irving instead of Waiters? Only looking at the box score it seemed like Avery locked Dion Waiters down while Rondo was unable to guard Irving.
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Gotta wonder how Avery would feel if Rondo tweeted "No way I go 7,1,and 1 in a game. Not taking shots. Just confidence."
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probally a hint to Doc. ( like DOC wake up dude) , what were you thinking , not dis n Rondo.
Doc asleep at the wheel again.
Why don't the assistant coachs wake him up
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Bradley was guarding Irving too and he got pawned, as well. Two quick fouls and he was off him, but his vaulted D didn't look so good vs. Irving last night. That being said the refs called some ticky tack fouls on him.
The Cavs got more respect from the refs than we do. That is a disgrace!
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Gotta wonder how Avery would feel if Rondo tweeted "No way I go 7,1,and 1 in a game. Not taking shots. Just confidence."
This
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I can't believe someone called Avery Bradley a "one dimensional plater" are you serious? He is not a one dimensional player.
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Rondo deserved to be called out for his defense in that game. It was embarrassing.
Not going to defend him because that was just a really poor effort. I hope people don't think that because he was close to a triple double he played well.
Twitter isn't the right place for this, the lockeroom is... but I'm really tired of seeing quotes from Celtic players saying "We need consistent effort", "we need to play hard" or whatever, all the right things, and then failing to do them night in and night out. I'm sure these things have been said in the locker room, so if they are ignored, then by all means go public. I couldn't care less.
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Trade him for a big!
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Waaaah...wasn't a shot at rondo in anyway, hence deleted..let's cry about it shall we
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I don't think it was a shot at Rondo, Irving didnt even get 40 did he? I think its a shot at the refs because he couldn't guard him due to the whistle. It's just a you're lucky I wasn't able to guard you..type of aimed at Kyrie. It seems like that at least.
Totally agree.
I thought it'd be something you'd say after getting ticked off at the refs. But if the media take it as a shot at Rondo, no way you can say "no, I'm calling out the refs" because that's just asking for a fine!
So he deleted it. Makes it seem more dodgy, but really the only right move.
No smoke, no fire.
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That's not quite what AB said.. He said, direct quote, "please stop saying he gave me 40. Nobody will ever score 40 on me unless they take 40 shots."
Sounds more like someone was giving him grief about Irving scoring 40 and this wasn't just an unprovoked attack on Rondo.
Makes sense... thank you.
Yes. Thank you! Just as I suspected, not a big deal and people making a mountain out of a molehill.
Where did you see this direct quote?
The tweets are still up in the ESPN Boston feed. I don't see that there.
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Sit your butt down, youngun. You're flying before you can run. Until you're half the player Rondo is, you shouldn't be talking. Rondo's been there and done it. He's arguably the best point in the league.
I just lost a lot of respect for Avery. And to think Rondo has been his fan since he came to Boston.
That is really sheisty, Bradley. Dirty.
Couldn't disagree more. Rondo needs to be more consistent if he wants to be above criticism. I'm not sure that this was a jab at Rondo, but I don't care if it was. I've never seen someone put up more meaningless triple doubles than Rondo.
This teams needs to be shaken up big time. I would listen to offers on anyone except for Bradley at this point.
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Sit your butt down, youngun. You're flying before you can run. Until you're half the player Rondo is, you shouldn't be talking. Rondo's been there and done it. He's arguably the best point in the league.
I just lost a lot of respect for Avery. And to think Rondo has been his fan since he came to Boston.
That is really sheisty, Bradley. Dirty.
Couldn't disagree more. Rondo needs to be more consistent if he wants to be above criticism. I'm not sure that this was a jab at Rondo, but I don't care if it was. I've never seen someone put up more meaningless triple doubles than Rondo.
This teams needs to be shaken up big time. I would listen to offers on anyone except for Bradley at this point.
You've most likely never seen anybody put up more triple doubles than Rondo, period. Calling them meaningless is . . . well . . . meaningless.
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Iron sharpens Iron. Let him say whatever he wants. Until everyone on this team matches AB's effort, no one can tell him otherwise in my eyes.
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I love how everyone on this thread takes Bradley's joke so seriously. Fail.