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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: PhoSita on January 22, 2013, 10:08:09 PM
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I'm giving you two obviously bad options.
The point here is NOT to debate the likelihood of either scenario. These are your options.
Pick one (please).
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I picked him winning another championship.
If you can guarantee Pierce getting another championship verse him staying with us and getting swept in the first round I would never be that selfish.
Of course this is assuming Pierce ok'd the trade leaves on a good note.
I would love to see him (and KG) win another as it would cement their legacy even more
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What are we getting for him in a trade? And is he ok with it?
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What are we getting for him in a trade? And is he ok with it?
You can fill in the blanks for yourself. What do you think would happen? But these are your options.
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Wouldn't it be extremely selfish to say you'd rather Pierce get swept in the first round the next couple years than win a 1 or 2 championships as he rides off into retirement?
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Clippers would be the ideal situation for Pierce. He could replace Butler and complete their lineup.
Maybe the C's could get Bledsoe? Probably a pipe dream I know.
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Clippers would be the ideal situation for Pierce. He could replace Butler and complete their lineup.
Maybe the C's could get Bledsoe? Probably a pipe dream I know.
That's the trade I've been imagining for a couple of weeks now.
Some people around here don't think very highly of Bledsoe, but I think he's a pretty nice prospect who is a great athlete and already a talented scorer. I'd love to see him and Bradley next to each other.
Would only really make sense if Danny also trades Rondo somewhere.
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I don't really care what happens to Pierce. I only care about what's best for the team.
It would be nice if he finished his career here but if it benefits the team to move him along prior to that ... then they should do so.
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I don't really care what happens to Pierce. I only care about what's best for the team.
It would be nice if he finished his career here but if it benefits the team to move him along prior to that ... then they should do so.
I agree, although I also like Paul Pierce a lot and hate to see him waste the last couple years of his career on a team going nowhere. I want to see him hitting big shots in big games for a team with a chance.
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I think the ship sailed on trading Pierce for anything of substance. And if the rumors are true, we already tried trading him multiple times and Pierce always finds a way to kill the deal. It's not so easy as just trading him to a team like the Nuggets... he's gotta want to report to the Nuggets. Pierce has a foot in retirement already. He would have quit had KG not returned. Fair to say that if we tried trading him to a team he didn't want to play for, he'd just say "Nah I'll retire if you trade me" and the other team would back out.
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I think the ship sailed on trading Pierce for anything of substance. And if the rumors are true, we already tried trading him multiple times and Pierce always finds a way to kill the deal. It's not so easy as just trading him to a team like the Nuggets... he's gotta want to report to the Nuggets. Pierce has a foot in retirement already. He would have quit had KG not returned. Fair to say that if we tried trading him to a team he didn't want to play for, he'd just say "Nah I'll retire if you trade me" and the other team would back out.
Yeah, I think you're probably right.
But if they find a way to trade him to a top team like the Clippers or Spurs or even a team like the Warriors? I think he would give that a chance.
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I picked stay with the C's only because I think that is probably what PP wants to do. Ring or no ring I think at this point PP wants to retire a Celtic and I am fine with that. I can't see him wanting to get traded to the Clips for a chance at another ring with guys he has no connection with.
I see him more like KG than like RA.
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option one. he is a celtic. i have said it here for yrs...for me personally, his playing his entire career and retiring a celtic would be as special as a championship.
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I care what happens to Pierce. He has done a lot for this franchise. He was the Celtics before KG got here. Gotta hold on to him and let him retire a Celtic. I would be sick to my stomach if Danny ever moved him for something like future picks and eric bledsoe.. Pierce was loyal all these years that the Celtics Sucked time to show some back to Paul.
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Option 2 is not an option unless Pierce is willing.
I've seen little evidence Pierce is willing.
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I care what happens to Pierce. He has done a lot for this franchise. He was the Celtics before KG got here. Gotta hold on to him and let him retire a Celtic. I would be sick to my stomach if Danny ever moved him for something like future picks and eric bledsoe.. Pierce was loyal all these years that the Celtics Sucked time to show some back to Paul.
I guess that's kind of what I'm getting at here, though.
How do we best repay Pierce's loyalty? By holding onto him in the twilight of his career even though the team is on its way to playoff humiliation? Or sending him to a team where he can contribute to a team with a real shot at going really deep into the playoffs this year and next?
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Can't answer, because the first option assumes that the Celtics get swept in the first round, and while that's a possible scenario, it's not a definitive choice.
I mean, come on, this is asking: "Which of my exclusive views do you like best?", not which do we really want to happen.
I don't want either, personally, and I also don't want to see many more threads that don't allow one of the best and most loyal Celtics ever to be in a shooting funk of more than three games without being thrown out with the trash and verbally dismembered.
You can tell which people have stuck with this team through the real "lean" years, (when The Truth was the only thing worth tuning in for), and which haven't, and without using the words "jaded" or "fairweather", (shucks, too late), I'll let conclusions be drawn individually.
Other than that, I really have no opinion whatsoever. ;)
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let him retire a Celtic. preferably after this year with KG. they don't have enough in the tank to get the job done with this team
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Can't answer, because the first option assumes that the Celtics get swept in the first round, and while that's a possible scenario, it's not a definitive choice.
I mean, come on, this is asking: "Which of my exclusive views do you like best?", not which do we really want to happen.
I don't want either, personally, and I also don't want to see many more threads that don't allow one of the best and most loyal Celtics ever to be in a shooting funk of more than three games without being thrown out with the trash and verbally dismembered.
You can tell which people have stuck with this team through the real "lean" years, (when The Truth was the only thing worth tuning in for), and which haven't, and without using the words "jaded" or "fairweather", (shucks, too late), I'll let conclusions be drawn individually.
Other than that, I really have no opinion whatsoever. ;)
The point of this thread is not to make predictions. I'm not saying either thing will happen.
I'm saying, if you have to choose, which one do you choose?
Again, for me it comes down to an interesting dilemma: if you're a fan of Paul Pierce, would you rather see him retire a Celtic but not get to play any meaningful games for the rest of his career, or would you like to see him make another deep playoff run or two, albeit in a different uniform? I think the answer to that question forces you to think hard about your priorities as a fan.
I'm not going to tell anybody which answer is right and which is wrong. I have my opinion / preference. But that doesn't make it right.
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I'd rather see him retire after THIS year's sweep, not next year...
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Out of the two options?
Trade him to a contender and let him win, with the stipulation that the contender cannot be the Lakers. If I knew that keeping him would somehow lock me into two first-round exits, then I would trade him.
But if that team is the Lakers and they're guaranteed to win at least once ring, then I don't even consider it.
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I'd rather see him retire after THIS year's sweep, not next year...
Fair enough.
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Out of the two options?
Trade him to a contender and let him win, with the stipulation that the contender cannot be the Lakers. If I knew that keeping him would somehow lock me into two first-round exits, then I would trade him.
But if that team is the Lakers and they're guaranteed to win at least once ring, then I don't even consider it.
I kind of assumed people would rule out the Lakers as a "contender" seeing as their record is even worse than ours.
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Can't answer, because the first option assumes that the Celtics get swept in the first round, and while that's a possible scenario, it's not a definitive choice.
I mean, come on, this is asking: "Which of my exclusive views do you like best?", not which do we really want to happen.
I don't want either, personally, and I also don't want to see many more threads that don't allow one of the best and most loyal Celtics ever to be in a shooting funk of more than three games without being thrown out with the trash and verbally dismembered.
You can tell which people have stuck with this team through the real "lean" years, (when The Truth was the only thing worth tuning in for), and which haven't, and without using the words "jaded" or "fairweather", (shucks, too late), I'll let conclusions be drawn individually.
Other than that, I really have no opinion whatsoever. ;)
TP!
We have been real spoiled these past 5 years, and when we excelled at being mediocre, Pierce was probably the only reason to watch. The 30 pt. game streak? That was a blast. It also bums me out so many people want to get rid of Pierce so fast. He is a Celtic and an all time great one at that.
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The last thing Paul Pierce wants right now is to get traded to a "contender." I can almost guarantee that. I'm pretty sure the only thing on his mind right now is trying to work his way out of this deep funk and help his team make another playoff run.
If you want to talk about humiliating; I don't think anything would be more humiliating to him than to say, "look, Paul, you're done. You no longer have the ability to help this team be competitive. We'll trade you to a contender for whatever we can get. There you can be the third, fourth or fifth option on the team, and also act as a cheerleader as you get carried to another title."
I don't see Paul Pierce wanting that; I don't see any glory in it for him.
I don't know, maybe he is toast. I'm willing to give him a shot to see if he can work his way out of this. Right now, I'm just going to hold my breath (and my nose) until the All-Star break and hope the short rest can revive a couple of our old lions enough to make one last run.
Yeah, I know it seems like a long shot at this point, but that's all I've got. I don't see some cure-all trade happening that's just wonderful for everybody involved.