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Title: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 22, 2013, 09:58:16 PM
Desperate times call for desperate measures. They actually played pretty hard tonight, and stiil lost to the Cavs.

Losing to a 10-32 Verajao-less Cavs team after being blown out a second time by a poor Detroit team, I think qualifies as desperate times.

Time to do somthing drastic: trade the Captain for Gasol, or in other words, Paul for Pau.


http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aafkwm6

Last night there was a thread on trading Rondo for Gasol.

I'd rather give them Pierce than Rondo,though, because we could dump Bass on them and get some nice peices back in addition to all that Gasol brings: inside-out game, great passing,excellent pick and roll or pick and pop, rebounding, blocking shots

Gasol's value to the Lakers and in trade is at an all time low for 3 reasons:

1.Gasol's sporadic play this year due to injury
2. Gasol being relegated to the bench and deeply in D'Antoni's doghouse
3. the $$$ he is owed this year and next

Pierce's contract is far more valuable to the Lakers, and Pierce is a huge haul (hometown boy, championship pedigree, etc).

That's why the Lakers would be forced to swallow Bass and give us some decent pieces in return.

Lakers get PP, BB

Celtics get Gasol, Earl Clark, Jordan Hill (injured) and Sacre

Now we are a lot bigger and younger, and we get to keep all the younguns.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Mazingerz on January 22, 2013, 10:10:13 PM
No we don't. I'd rather we tank this season than trade PP (!) to the lakers.

Once PP and KG are off the books we can start reloading. This is only 1 year. Better that we do it now than to continue to be mediocre 7th or 8th seed team and lose in the 1st round again.

Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: blink on January 22, 2013, 10:12:47 PM
I would rather tank this year than take on Gasol's salary.
We need young fresh talent to build around.  We aren't 1 player away from taking out Miami.  We are a few players away from that.  Signing Gasol is just a poor use of our cap space.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 22, 2013, 10:18:35 PM
Love KG and PP , but this Celtics team is dying a SLOW DEATH by old age. 

The younger atheltic players that have come in recently are just overwhelming the older guys ON ALL the TEAMS.

The older guys can stillshoot and pass, but can't play defense for the required minutes to shut down all the young er talent.

I think ROckets and everybody were seeing this, and dumping all the older players and loading up with younger draft picks..... its become a YOUNGER LEAGUE

Gasol would help for a year or two , but he is getting OUT paced and out played by the super quick guys under 27 years old. ANother two years he'll play like JO NEAL/

Too many YOUNG super good players in the league to have a old slow vet squad now.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: D Dub on January 22, 2013, 10:27:20 PM
Gasol hasn't blocked a shot or taken a charge since the Olympics.  no thanks
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Who on January 22, 2013, 10:28:01 PM
Yep, I am all behind a Pierce for Pau swap deal.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: ScottHow on January 22, 2013, 10:29:21 PM
Desperate time call for blowing it up, not putting a bandaid on a dead horse.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 22, 2013, 10:36:20 PM
Love KG and PP , but this Celtics team is dying a SLOW DEATH by old age. 

The younger atheltic players that have come in recently are just overwhelming the older guys ON ALL the TEAMS.

The older guys can stillshoot and pass, but can't play defense for the required minutes to shut down all the young er talent.

I think ROckets and everybody were seeing this, and dumping all the older players and loading up with younger draft picks..... its become a YOUNGER LEAGUE

Gasol would help for a year or two , but he is getting OUT paced and out played by the super quick guys under 27 years old. ANother two years he'll play like JO NEAL/
Too many YOUNG super good players in the league to have a old slow vet squad now.

I agree with you SHAQ about all that you said here. The league is getting younger, and we have to too, and we would with this trade. While Gasol is the centerpiece, Earl Clark and Jordan Hill (for next year when he gets healthy)do that for us and Sacre is a project, but young too.

I think the point you make (underlined) is also very true: Gasol may be good for this year and next, but even if he slides badly next year, he is a huge expiring that we can do a lot with.

I think that a frontcourt of Gasol/Garnett would be pretty formidable and versatile, both offensively and defensively.

This team needs to be shaken to its core.

Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 22, 2013, 10:36:39 PM
Desperate time call for blowing it up, not putting a bandaid on a dead horse.
Gasol would be a massive upgrade on this team.  He's supremely underrated right now... especially on this forum.  Getting a 7 foot allstar who is several years younger than KG would be nothing but incredible news.  Unfortunately, it'll never happen.  We don't have the assets.  Just not happening.

Also, if you're just now starting to panic, you apparently didn't analyze this roster very well prior to the season.  Nothing that is currently happening is even mildy surprising.  We're a mediocre team without a legit big next to KG... it's been that way since Shaq hobbled off the court. 

Getting Gasol wouldn't be a "bandaid"... it would fix the thing that has plagued us since we stopped being a legit contender.  Unfortunately, it's not even remotely likely it will happen. 
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 22, 2013, 10:37:07 PM
right now I'm praying to Jesus for Fab Melo to be great player for the Celtics...

despert times call for despert measures.... ::)

practice all night and day Fab...!!!   ;D
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 22, 2013, 10:38:45 PM
right now I'm praying to Jesus for Fab Melo to be great player for the Celtics...

despert times call for despert measures.... ::)

practice all night and day Fab...!!!   ;D
You're better off praying to Jesus for Greg Oden to sign with Boston and then miraculously start playing before the end of this season.  It's more likely to happen than Fab Melo turning into a player anytime soon. 
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: ScottHow on January 22, 2013, 10:42:09 PM
Desperate time call for blowing it up, not putting a bandaid on a dead horse.
Gasol would be a massive upgrade on this team.  He's supremely underrated right now... especially on this forum.  Getting a 7 foot allstar who is several years younger than KG would be nothing but incredible news.  Unfortunately, it'll never happen.  We don't have the assets.  Just not happening.

Also, if you're just now starting to panic, you apparently didn't analyze this roster very well prior to the season.  Nothing that is currently happening is even mildy surprising.  We're a mediocre team without a legit big next to KG... it's been that way since Shaq hobbled off the court. 

Getting Gasol wouldn't be a "bandaid"... it would fix the thing that has plagued us since we stopped being a legit contender.  Unfortunately, it's not even remotely likely it will happen.

I didn't just realize this isn't going to work, I wanted to blow it up last year and in the offseason.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 22, 2013, 10:45:03 PM
Love KG and PP , but this Celtics team is dying a SLOW DEATH by old age. 

The younger atheltic players that have come in recently are just overwhelming the older guys ON ALL the TEAMS.

The older guys can stillshoot and pass, but can't play defense for the required minutes to shut down all the young er talent.

I think ROckets and everybody were seeing this, and dumping all the older players and loading up with younger draft picks..... its become a YOUNGER LEAGUE

Gasol would help for a year or two , but he is getting OUT paced and out played by the super quick guys under 27 years old. ANother two years he'll play like JO NEAL/
Too many YOUNG super good players in the league to have a old slow vet squad now.

I agree with you SHAQ about all that you said here. The league is getting younger, and we have to too, and we would with this trade. While Gasol is the centerpiece, Earl Clark and Jordan Hill (for next year when he gets healthy)do that for us and Sacre is a project, but young too.

I think the point you make (underlined) is also very true: Gasol may be good for this year and next, but even if he slides badly next year, he is a huge expiring that we can do a lot with.

I think that a frontcourt of Gasol/Garnett would be pretty formidable and versatile, both offensively and defensively.

This team needs to be shaken to its core.

yep. that is OBVIOUS now. DOC has lost this team it seems. They are not responding to his babbling in the media now.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 22, 2013, 10:47:36 PM
Desperate time call for blowing it up, not putting a bandaid on a dead horse.

But a defibrillator (the shock of Pierce for Pau) could work better than a bandaid on a horse that looks dead. That could spark us.

If that doesn't work, blow it up in the offseason and trade Gasol at the deadline with a ton of value for a huge expiring.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on January 22, 2013, 10:48:51 PM
Desperate time call for blowing it up, not putting a bandaid on a dead horse.

But a defibrillator (the shock of Pierce for Pau) could work better than a bandaid on a horse that looks dead. That could spark us.

If that doesn't work, blow it up in the offseason and trade Gasol at the deadline with a ton of value for a huge expiring.

bingo. if it fails dump everyone then.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: KGs Knee on January 22, 2013, 10:54:14 PM
I was hoping this would be a realistic idea.

I'd gladly take Gasol for Green/Bass/Terry (or Lee).

Trading our Captain for an almost as old Gasol is stupid.  Just plain stupid.

The Lakers don't have any leverage with Gasol.  His trade value is almost non-existant.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Geo123 on January 22, 2013, 10:54:33 PM
If it was strictly PP for Gasol, maybe but by doing the trade you are giving away cap space for another year.  If someone really thinks they would trade Earl Clark also they're kidding themself.  They aren't trading 2 bigs for an undersized PF and PP. 

I want to see Sullinger get 25 - 30 minutes nightly and see what he can do.  For now and for the future...
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 22, 2013, 11:00:44 PM
We could use Gasol, but if we give up some of our core, I don't think we get better.

I think it's time to call up Fab and see what he can contribute somehow. We still have that. He's balling in the D- League (i know its inferior competition). Lets see what he can do first.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 22, 2013, 11:04:35 PM
Desperate time call for blowing it up, not putting a bandaid on a dead horse.
Gasol would be a massive upgrade on this team.  He's supremely underrated right now... especially on this forum.  Getting a 7 foot allstar who is several years younger than KG would be nothing but incredible news.  Unfortunately, it'll never happen.  We don't have the assets.  Just not happening.

Also, if you're just now starting to panic, you apparently didn't analyze this roster very well prior to the season.  Nothing that is currently happening is even mildy surprising.  We're a mediocre team without a legit big next to KG... it's been that way since Shaq hobbled off the court. 

Getting Gasol wouldn't be a "bandaid"... it would fix the thing that has plagued us since we stopped being a legit contender.  Unfortunately, it's not even remotely likely it will happen. 

LB33, agree with everything but the last line.

I know it might be wishful thinking, but I think that we have exactly what the Fakers would want. A few things speak to this:

1. Gasol's value is at an alltime low, due to the factors I listed in the OP as well as the fact that he isn't even starting now, and won't with D'Antoni.
2. The Fakers have declared that they want no longterm contracts to impede their flexibility. Pierce's contract is huge this year, and fits the bill for them next year.
3. PP's skills would make him a favorite in LaLaLand and he brings far more skills for shorterm than anyone else the Fakers could get to bite on Gasol's huge contract.

I know I'm hoping as are you. You never know.

P.S. I am pretty surprised that, as you say, Gasol is so undervalued skills-wise on this board.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 22, 2013, 11:11:03 PM
I was hoping this would be a realistic idea.

I'd gladly take Gasol for Green/Bass/Terry (or Lee).

Trading our Captain for an almost as old Gasol is stupid.  Just plain stupid.

The Lakers don't have any leverage with Gasol.  His trade value is almost non-existant.

Fakers have said they won't take back 3 year deals that all 4 of our scraps that no one wants (Green, Lee, Bass, Terry) have.

Despite what they sayI think they would take one of those 4 (not 3 of the 4) plus the flexibility that Pierce's contract gives them.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 22, 2013, 11:18:35 PM
If it was strictly PP for Gasol, maybe but by doing the trade you are giving away cap space for another year.  If someone really thinks they would trade Earl Clark also they're kidding themself.  They aren't trading 2 bigs for an undersized PF and PP. 

I want to see Sullinger get 25 - 30 minutes nightly and see what he can do.  For now and for the future...

Earl Clark is a small forward, much in the mold of a Jeff Green, but with a much lower price tag. The Fakers want desperately to be rid of Pau and his huge contract.

I think we have some leverage here. (I know that I am hoping we have some leverage here. :)).
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: celticslove on January 22, 2013, 11:20:06 PM
yeah i want Marc too.. oh wait it's Pau we're talking to... ohh nevermind.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: wdleehi on January 23, 2013, 08:34:02 AM
Gasol's season has been so bad, there is no way the Celtics should move Pierce for him. 
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: eugen on January 23, 2013, 01:24:21 PM
Gasol is good. But I prefer more Varejao
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: wdleehi on January 23, 2013, 01:24:42 PM
Gasol is good. But I prefer more Varejao


Out for the season.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: eugen on January 23, 2013, 01:26:10 PM
Gasol is good. But I prefer more Varejao


Out for the season.

I knwow he's coming back during playoff
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: wdleehi on January 23, 2013, 01:27:50 PM
Gasol is good. But I prefer more Varejao


Out for the season.

I knwow he's coming back during playoff


Even if he does, that is the wrong time to try and teach a player the Celtic's system.



They need someone who can learn most of it during the regular season.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: kozlodoev on January 23, 2013, 01:28:33 PM
Gasol's season has been so bad, there is no way the Celtics should move Pierce for him.
This team is going nowhere as constructed. Moving Pierce, who's clearly lost a step, and hoping that Gasol will bounce back and Green will play better with more minutes is not an unreasonable gamble (though a gamble nonetheless).
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: wdleehi on January 23, 2013, 01:30:05 PM
Gasol's season has been so bad, there is no way the Celtics should move Pierce for him.
This team is going nowhere as constructed. Moving Pierce, who's clearly lost a step, and hoping that Gasol will bounce back and Green will play better with more minutes is not an unreasonable gamble (though a gamble nonetheless).


Celtics can only move Pierce in a slam dunk move. 
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: eugen on January 23, 2013, 01:42:45 PM
Gasol is good. But I prefer more Varejao


Out for the season.

I knwow he's coming back during playoff


Even if he does, that is the wrong time to try and teach a player the Celtic's system.



They need someone who can learn most of it during the regular season.

Yeah is true. But I am talking for the next future.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 23, 2013, 01:45:39 PM
Gasol's season has been so bad, there is no way the Celtics should move Pierce for him.
This team is going nowhere as constructed. Moving Pierce, who's clearly lost a step, and hoping that Gasol will bounce back and Green will play better with more minutes is not an unreasonable gamble (though a gamble nonetheless).

My sentiments exactly.

We are unfortunately in a position now where we have to gamble. I feel that it is a measured gamble, and not really the depserate times, desperate measures type that I said in my OP.

My hope that this is not unrealistic in terms of potentially happening is buoyed by the fact that some of the responders in this thread think that the Fakers never do it, some think that the Cs never do it.

Maybe that means it has a chance. Change of scenery would do both guys good.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: KGs Knee on January 23, 2013, 01:46:03 PM
Gasol's season has been so bad, there is no way the Celtics should move Pierce for him.
This team is going nowhere as constructed. Moving Pierce, who's clearly lost a step, and hoping that Gasol will bounce back and Green will play better with more minutes is not an unreasonable gamble (though a gamble nonetheless).

I'd say it is absolutely an unreasonable gamble.  Even if it isn't, it is still a gamble.

This simple fact makes it a foolishly bad idea to trade Pierce for Gasol.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 23, 2013, 01:47:13 PM
For both teams, trading Pierce + Bass for Gasol would make too much [dang] sense.  It would probably solve the problems of both teams.

Boston's 4th best player is Jeff Green, but he's forced to back up the captain.  Moving Pierce allows him to plug into the starting lineup where he belongs.   Pau is a starting center (all-star level when healthy) and would be magical next to KG.  He would solve most of our long-running issues.  We haven't had a starting big next to KG since Shaq broke.

PG - Rondo
SG - Lee/Bradley/Terry/Barbosa
SF - Green
PF - KG
C - Pau

I have no doubt that would be an improved team.

But the thought of trading Pierce to the Lakers makes me sick.   I couldn't do it.  Maybe if it sent Pierce to a 3rd team or something.  I also continue to operate under the assumption that Pierce would threaten retirement if we attempted to trade him.  Rumors say he has already blocked multiple trade attempts in the past and I know he already has one foot in retirement already. 
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 23, 2013, 01:48:10 PM
Gasol is good. But I prefer more Varejao


Out for the season.

I knwow he's coming back during playoff


Even if he does, that is the wrong time to try and teach a player the Celtic's system.



They need someone who can learn most of it during the regular season.

Yeah is true. But I am talking for the next future.

Gasol will be an enormous expiring next year. That can't hurt our future. And, he could be a big contributor for both years. He is only 32.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: kozlodoev on January 23, 2013, 01:48:36 PM
Gasol's season has been so bad, there is no way the Celtics should move Pierce for him.
This team is going nowhere as constructed. Moving Pierce, who's clearly lost a step, and hoping that Gasol will bounce back and Green will play better with more minutes is not an unreasonable gamble (though a gamble nonetheless).

My sentiments exactly.

We are unfortunately in a position now where we have to gamble. I feel that it is a measured gamble, and not really the depserate times, desperate measures type that I said in my OP.

My hope that this is not unrealistic in terms of potentially happening is buoyed by the fact that some of the responders in this thread think that the Fakers never do it, some think that the Cs never do it.

Maybe that means it has a chance. Change of scenery would do both guys good.
It's going to be hard to part with Pierce. But in terms of roster needs, a trade centered around Pierce and Gasol addresses both teams pretty well.

The problem is that a big man that with issues below the waist can go downhill pretty fast. See Raef LaFrentz for a recent example.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: KGs Knee on January 23, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
I was hoping this would be a realistic idea.

I'd gladly take Gasol for Green/Bass/Terry (or Lee).

Trading our Captain for an almost as old Gasol is stupid.  Just plain stupid.

The Lakers don't have any leverage with Gasol.  His trade value is almost non-existant.

Fakers have said they won't take back 3 year deals that all 4 of our scraps that no one wants (Green, Lee, Bass, Terry) have.

Despite what they sayI think they would take one of those 4 (not 3 of the 4) plus the flexibility that Pierce's contract gives them.

Well, if the Lakers don't want these type of players, Gasol is going nowhere.  What team in their right mind would trade anything of real value for an older player with diminishing skills on a terrible contract?
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 23, 2013, 01:55:21 PM
For both teams, trading Pierce + Bass for Gasol would make too much [dang] sense.  It would probably solve the problems of both teams.

Boston's 4th best player is Jeff Green, but he's forced to back up the captain.  Moving Pierce allows him to plug into the starting lineup where he belongs.   Pau is a starting center (all-star level when healthy) and would be magical next to KG.  He would solve most of our long-running issues.  We haven't had a starting big next to KG since Shaq broke.

PG - Rondo
SG - Lee/Bradley/Terry/Barbosa
SF - Green
PF - KG
C - Pau

I have no doubt that would be an improved team.

But the thought of trading Pierce to the Lakers makes me sick.   I couldn't do it.  Maybe if it sent Pierce to a 3rd team or something.  I also continue to operate under the assumption that Pierce would threaten retirement if we attempted to trade him.  Rumors say he has already blocked multiple trade attempts in the past and I know he already has one foot in retirement already.

As a fellow Cs fan, LB33,  I fully understand where you are coming from. BUT, I still do it. Getting all the things that Gasol brings is too much to pass up...IF WE STILL WANT TO CONTEND.

As far as the Captain goes, obviously we can't speak for him, but getting a chance to end your career in your home town with a storied (albeit enemy) franchise, would be more than palatable for him, I would think. Again, we don't know what PP thinks.

Let's hope the opportunity to find out presents itself.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: lightspeed5 on January 23, 2013, 01:55:58 PM
soft size is useless
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 23, 2013, 01:56:54 PM
I was hoping this would be a realistic idea.

I'd gladly take Gasol for Green/Bass/Terry (or Lee).

Trading our Captain for an almost as old Gasol is stupid.  Just plain stupid.

The Lakers don't have any leverage with Gasol.  His trade value is almost non-existant.

Fakers have said they won't take back 3 year deals that all 4 of our scraps that no one wants (Green, Lee, Bass, Terry) have.

Despite what they sayI think they would take one of those 4 (not 3 of the 4) plus the flexibility that Pierce's contract gives them.

Well, if the Lakers don't want these type of players, Gasol is going nowhere.  What team in their right mind would trade anything of real value for an older player with diminishing skills on a terrible contract?

As Koz said, it is a gamble. I think that it's worth it.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Donoghus on January 23, 2013, 01:58:08 PM
We do need size but I'd throw up if we traded Pierce to the Lakers plus getting a Gasol that's clearly not the same.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: eugen on January 23, 2013, 02:00:36 PM
We do need size but I'd throw up if we traded Pierce to the Lakers plus getting a Gasol that's clearly not the same.

I am not sure if LAL need Pierce
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: lightspeed5 on January 23, 2013, 02:02:15 PM
orlando didnt want gasol cuz he sucks
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: kozlodoev on January 23, 2013, 02:02:25 PM
We do need size but I'd throw up if we traded Pierce to the Lakers plus getting a Gasol that's clearly not the same.
I'm throwing up every time I see the team play right now, so I guess this is not much of an issue for me.

Pierce clearly isn't the same either, by the way -- has anyone else noticed that all his shots are practically line drives (including foul shots).
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: kozlodoev on January 23, 2013, 02:03:06 PM
We do need size but I'd throw up if we traded Pierce to the Lakers plus getting a Gasol that's clearly not the same.

I am not sure if LAL need Pierce
LAL have no starting SF and have a surplus of big men. They need Pierce more than they need Gasol.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 23, 2013, 02:08:56 PM
I love Gasol and would like his fit here but for the Captain no?

We need a young athletic big man who can play above the rim and block shots clogging up the paint. Gasol is getting old we are old enough, we need more young legs.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: KGs Knee on January 23, 2013, 02:20:27 PM
I was hoping this would be a realistic idea.

I'd gladly take Gasol for Green/Bass/Terry (or Lee).

Trading our Captain for an almost as old Gasol is stupid.  Just plain stupid.

The Lakers don't have any leverage with Gasol.  His trade value is almost non-existant.

Fakers have said they won't take back 3 year deals that all 4 of our scraps that no one wants (Green, Lee, Bass, Terry) have.

Despite what they sayI think they would take one of those 4 (not 3 of the 4) plus the flexibility that Pierce's contract gives them.

Well, if the Lakers don't want these type of players, Gasol is going nowhere.  What team in their right mind would trade anything of real value for an older player with diminishing skills on a terrible contract?

As Koz said, it is a gamble. I think that it's worth it.

Oh it's a gamble...one that I want no part of.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: kozlodoev on January 23, 2013, 02:44:50 PM
We need a young athletic big man who can play above the rim and block shots clogging up the paint.
Who doesn't?
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 23, 2013, 03:05:12 PM
We do need size but I'd throw up if we traded Pierce to the Lakers plus getting a Gasol that's clearly not the same.

I am not sure if LAL need Pierce
LAL have no starting SF and have a surplus of big men. They need Pierce more than they need Gasol.

.....and to support and add to this sentiment, aside from PP being a home town boy in LA and a clutch player and a champion, more importantly and over and above all that PP brings to the Fakers as a needed player:

They want his contract. The flexibility it gives compared to Gasols is what they are looking for.

Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Q_FBE on January 23, 2013, 03:22:34 PM
I don't believe we will ever trade with the Lakers. I believe that Pierce will retire a Celtic maybe after this year. I think a better approach would be to insert Jeff Green, Wilcox, and Sullenger into the starting lineup along with Bradley and Rondo. Bring JET, Barbosa, Pierce, KG, and Fab Melo off the bench. We may still only be a 44 win team that loses in the 1st round but then we can make the off-season (KG, RR with Pierce retiring) trades and possibly a coaching change for next year.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Eddie20 on January 24, 2013, 11:00:54 AM
Woj

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Nevertheless, D'Antoni has marginalized Gasol, leaving him livid and privately expecting to be traded before the February deadline for an athletic forward who fits his coaching designs.

Gasol for Bass (athletic forward), Green (athletic forward), and Terry (bench scoring) works financially and shores up both clubs needs.

Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 24, 2013, 11:12:53 AM
Woj

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Nevertheless, D'Antoni has marginalized Gasol, leaving him livid and privately expecting to be traded before the February deadline for an athletic forward who fits his coaching designs.

Gasol for Bass (athletic forward), Green (athletic forward), and Terry (bench scoring) works financially and shores up both clubs needs.

I'm not big on the Gasol thing, but I would take this deal in a second.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 24, 2013, 11:25:04 AM
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Nevertheless, D'Antoni has marginalized Gasol, leaving him livid and privately expecting to be traded before the February deadline for an athletic forward who fits his coaching designs.

Gasol for Bass (athletic forward), Green (athletic forward), and Terry (bench scoring) works financially and shores up both clubs needs.

I do think that Gasol is a viable possibility for us for reasons I have stated in the OP and throughout this thread as well as the refernce above from Eddie.

Green seems to fit the athletic forward desire they have, and may swallow his 4 yr contract. However, swallowing both Tery's and Bass' contracts in addition will be something that they will not do. And, Bass' athleticism doesn't come close to the far cheaper Earl Clark, whom they already have.

The Fakers have made it very clear that they want as much cap flexibility as possible as soon as possible. Lee, despite this, could interest them because of what he brings (youth, athleticism, defense,3 pt ability)including depth to the roster.

The tough part is, even if they would take both Green and Lee, is that we still have to come up with $4-5 mil more to make the salaries work. Getting a third team involved to give us expirings to give to the Fakers for Bass or Terry may be a little difficult.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Interceptor on January 24, 2013, 11:35:47 AM
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Nevertheless, D'Antoni has marginalized Gasol, leaving him livid and privately expecting to be traded before the February deadline for an athletic forward who fits his coaching designs.

Gasol for Bass (athletic forward), Green (athletic forward), and Terry (bench scoring) works financially and shores up both clubs needs.
This would be amazing. I'd chip in for Terry's laser surgery tattoo removal if it would help seal the deal.

What's funny is that this is actually a fairly good deal for both teams, other than the contract length for the Lakers. But LBJ isn't coming to LA, so I don't know what they are crying about.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Eddie20 on January 24, 2013, 11:47:50 AM
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Nevertheless, D'Antoni has marginalized Gasol, leaving him livid and privately expecting to be traded before the February deadline for an athletic forward who fits his coaching designs.

Gasol for Bass (athletic forward), Green (athletic forward), and Terry (bench scoring) works financially and shores up both clubs needs.
This would be amazing. I'd chip in for Terry's laser surgery tattoo removal if it would help seal the deal.

What's funny is that this is actually a fairly good deal for both teams, other than the contract length for the Lakers. But LBJ isn't coming to LA, so I don't know what they are crying about.


The Lakers need depth, athleticism, perimeter shooting, and bench scoring. I think this would accomplish all of that. I think Bass could be a good fit with his perimeter shooting and in pick and pops with Nash. Green would be as ideal as it gets for D'Antoni's system. Plus he provides the athleticism needed to defend against Durant and Gay in potential playoff matchups. Terry gives them 3pt shooting and bench scoring.

I would figure their starting lineups/bench could look something like this:

Clark
Green
Howard
Nash
Kobe

Bass
Artest
Sacre-very limited minutes behind Howard (10-12 range)
Terry-3 guard rotation with  Nash & Kobe
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: CelticG1 on January 24, 2013, 11:55:04 AM
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Nevertheless, D'Antoni has marginalized Gasol, leaving him livid and privately expecting to be traded before the February deadline for an athletic forward who fits his coaching designs.

Gasol for Bass (athletic forward), Green (athletic forward), and Terry (bench scoring) works financially and shores up both clubs needs.
This would be amazing. I'd chip in for Terry's laser surgery tattoo removal if it would help seal the deal.

What's funny is that this is actually a fairly good deal for both teams, other than the contract length for the Lakers. But LBJ isn't coming to LA, so I don't know what they are crying about.

The problem is it ties up a lot of money long term for them and they don't get anyone great in the deal.

That along with this trade not helping them that much anyway. I mean at best they get an 8th seed.

Wouldn't the lakers be looking for cap relief and at least a semi star?
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Interceptor on January 24, 2013, 12:05:32 PM
The problem is it ties up a lot of money long term for them and they don't get anyone great in the deal.

That along with this trade not helping them that much anyway. I mean at best they get an 8th seed.

Wouldn't the lakers be looking for cap relief and at least a semi star?
Sure, but it's a buyer's market for Gasol right now. They can sit on him and be terrible, but when is the next time that they have first round picks? 2025? You risk losing Howard at the end of this season, too. Although, he's a clown, and they can give him the most of the only thing that he cares about.

Cap space is a thing, but who do they suppose they can get to come to LA?
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Kane3387 on January 24, 2013, 12:05:43 PM
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Nevertheless, D'Antoni has marginalized Gasol, leaving him livid and privately expecting to be traded before the February deadline for an athletic forward who fits his coaching designs.

Gasol for Bass (athletic forward), Green (athletic forward), and Terry (bench scoring) works financially and shores up both clubs needs.
This would be amazing. I'd chip in for Terry's laser surgery tattoo removal if it would help seal the deal.

What's funny is that this is actually a fairly good deal for both teams, other than the contract length for the Lakers. But LBJ isn't coming to LA, so I don't know what they are crying about.

The problem is it ties up a lot of money long term for them and they don't get anyone great in the deal.

That along with this trade not helping them that much anyway. I mean at best they get an 8th seed.

Wouldn't the lakers be looking for cap relief and at least a semi star?

Is there a deal out there for them where they can get that in return? I don't see it with his age, decline, and contract.

I would be surprised if they move him. Maybe Denver.

Gallo, Mozgov, and Brewer might work

If he is traded there is no way it is to the Celtics for our role players.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: CelticG1 on January 24, 2013, 12:34:41 PM
My point is that there is no reason to make that trade to us of all people for 3 mediocre players on long term deals.

Im not a gm and I can't think of every player and contract off the top of my head but I can't wrap my head around this.

Mayne if 2 of them were expiring, or maybe if one of then was at least having a good year. Can't you scrounge up 3 players who are mediocre on a lot of teams ans propose the same thing. But with less long term salary?
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: greenpun on January 24, 2013, 12:35:37 PM
Celts get:  Pau
Lakers get:  Sully, Jason Terry, Jeff Green, Courtney Lee

Why the C's do it:  The time is now for the C's championship window, before KG and Pierce are done, which means rolling the dice.  Pau, who played GREAT in the Olympics allows KG to play the 4, while putting Pau on the block where he belongs.  It dumps Green's terrible contract, and while losing Sully is tough, its not as tough as watching the C's play .500 ball for the end of Pierce and KG's prime.  This means more minutes for Wilcox and Barbosa and possibly picking up Delonte West or someone similar since they're losing a lot of guards, but a very bright side for Doc's "Guys gotta go" could be bringing in a big guy who would be top 5 in the East if played properly. 

Why the Lakers do it:  They only do it if they are committing to D'Antoni's style of fast paced ball.  Jeff Green would thrive in this system.  They get much needed shooting from Terry.  Sully has proven to be the steal of the draft.  Lee gives them toughness on D.  It means taking on more long term salary, but it upgrades a lot of positions for them while dumping someone who is unhappy and doesn't fit with D'Antoni. 

Who says no?
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Interceptor on January 24, 2013, 12:45:35 PM
Celts get:  Pau
Lakers get:  Sully, Jason Terry, Jeff Green, Courtney Lee

[...]

Who says no?
Celtics do, hopefully.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: crimson_stallion on January 24, 2013, 12:49:30 PM
Celts get:  Pau
Lakers get:  Sully, Jason Terry, Jeff Green, Courtney Lee

Why the C's do it:  The time is now for the C's championship window, before KG and Pierce are done, which means rolling the dice.  Pau, who played GREAT in the Olympics allows KG to play the 4, while putting Pau on the block where he belongs.  It dumps Green's terrible contract, and while losing Sully is tough, its not as tough as watching the C's play .500 ball for the end of Pierce and KG's prime.  This means more minutes for Wilcox and Barbosa and possibly picking up Delonte West or someone similar since they're losing a lot of guards, but a very bright side for Doc's "Guys gotta go" could be bringing in a big guy who would be top 5 in the East if played properly. 

Why the Lakers do it:  They only do it if they are committing to D'Antoni's style of fast paced ball.  Jeff Green would thrive in this system.  They get much needed shooting from Terry.  Sully has proven to be the steal of the draft.  Lee gives them toughness on D.  It means taking on more long term salary, but it upgrades a lot of positions for them while dumping someone who is unhappy and doesn't fit with D'Antoni. 

Who says no?

Worst trade idea ever.

Sullinger is already probaby better for us than Gasol on his own!
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Kane3387 on January 24, 2013, 12:51:23 PM
My point is that there is no reason to make that trade to us of all people for 3 mediocre players on long term deals.

Im not a gm and I can't think of every player and contract off the top of my head but I can't wrap my head around this.

Mayne if 2 of them were expiring, or maybe if one of then was at least having a good year. Can't you scrounge up 3 players who are mediocre on a lot of teams ans propose the same thing. But with less long term salary?

I think the Denver deal works. Dantoni loves gallo. The other guys are expiring. Denver needs a premier player to go to the next level. Pau would be their best guy.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 24, 2013, 01:25:35 PM
I'd do this Pierce for Pau deal, in theory, if we had some kind of viable alternative at small forward.

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Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Fred Roberts on January 24, 2013, 01:37:20 PM
I like the trade. We dominate the paint. We SCORE actual real live POINTS in the paint consistently! We might get a few extra rebounds a game!

Jeff Green takes over the 3 spot. Re-sign Kris Joseph or whomever else is available to back up Jeff. Lee might be able to do some spot duty here. 

Rondo, Bradley, Green, KG, Pau
Barbosa, Jet, Lee, Sully, Bass/Wilcox/Melo
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 24, 2013, 01:42:46 PM
I like the trade. We dominate the paint. We SCORE actual real live POINTS in the paint consistently! We might get a few extra rebounds a game!

Jeff Green takes over the 3 spot. Re-sign Kris Joseph or whomever else is available to back up Jeff. Lee might be able to do some spot duty here. 

Rondo, Bradley, Green, KG, Pau
Barbosa, Jet, Lee, Sully, Bass/Wilcox/Melo

TP for you for answering the very good question that sofutomygaha (TP) asked.

I knew that this was also my one main issues when I did the OP. Since we are including Bass in the trade, I'd like to get Earl Clark from the Fakers. Clark and Green could man the SF spot.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: snively on January 24, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
I think Pierce for Pau makes a lot of sense for both clubs and both players.

Lakers & Pierce: Pierce settling in as a 2nd option behind Kobe, usually against the opponent's lesser wing defender, would really improve his efficiency, and he's such a good complementary player with his shooting and passing.  A big upgrade on MWP in that role (and MWP going to the bench as a combo forward behind Pierce and Clark kicks the dreadful Antawn Jamison out of the rotation).  Pierce is also a pretty easy-going teammate - been chummy with Kobe in the past and pretty content to "give the game what it needs" as a 3rd banana.

The Lakers would take a hit to their center rotation, with no true size other than Sacre behind Howard.  Perhaps we could throw in Wilcox - a nice fit with D'Antoni.

There's also the fact that Pierce does nothing to address their age/speed problem.  But I think adding high-impact talent is more important consideration to the Lake Show than just getting younger and faster.

Pau & Celtics: Pau is just a dream fit for Doc, KG and the Celtic's offense.  Doc is absolutely dedicated to getting the ball into the post and KG is a great compliment to a post-oriented big like Pau with his elite mid-range game and high post passing.  Pau to makes KG more dangerous in the post by drawing the bigger defender and boasting a brilliant passing/facilitating skillset of his own.  Then you have the always accommodating Rondo who will work to feed Gasol in his preferred spots.  Pau also would give us a nice boost on the boards compared to Bass/Collins, and decent shot-blocking as well.

Bringing in Pau would bring up some issues defensively - we'd get slower moving KG to the 4 alongside Pau at the 5 (though with how slow Bass has been playing this year, I don't think it would be much of a drop off).  We'd also be left with Green as our only wing defender with size and pretty slim pickings in free agency to back him up.

Offensively, the downgrade from Pierce to Green hurts already tenuous floor-spacing, but I like Green, Lee and Bradley enough from the corners and Terry from anywhere to be comfortable. 



Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: quidinqui33 on January 24, 2013, 02:31:31 PM
From the following article:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--forget-kobe-dwight--the-lakers-will-pay-for-doubling-down-on-failed-reunion-tour-of-d-antoni-nash-094336411.html

"Nevertheless, D'Antoni has marginalized Gasol, leaving him livid and privately expecting to be traded before the February deadline for an athletic forward who fits his coaching designs"

Athletic forward: Jeff Green who would thrive playing off of Kobe and Nash.

Offer up some combo of Jeff Green and parts (Barbosa, Lee, Terry) and I think this trade can help us.

Right now, we don't have an offensive player that puts pressure on the other defense when our normal offense isn't going (pierce just can't do it consistently anymore).  We either need a slasher at the two guard spot (the mayo for ray trade would have been great), a PG who is willing to do it (Rondo for Paul would have been great, or Rondo doing it would be great), or we need a legitimate guy we can drop the ball down to (Gasol fits the bill).

Should help us for the duration of KGs deal and allows rondo to remain a pass first threat rather than morphing into a scoring guard which is not in his DNA.  Should help both our offense and our other issue.  Rebounding.

I'm on board!  For green and parts yes.  For pierce though.  No way.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 24, 2013, 02:33:45 PM
I think Pierce for Pau makes a lot of sense for both clubs and both players.

Lakers & Pierce: Pierce settling in as a 2nd option behind Kobe, usually against the opponent's lesser wing defender, would really improve his efficiency, and he's such a good complementary player with his shooting and passing.  A big upgrade on MWP in that role (and MWP going to the bench as a combo forward behind Pierce and Clark kicks the dreadful Antawn Jamison out of the rotation).  Pierce is also a pretty easy-going teammate - been chummy with Kobe in the past and pretty content to "give the game what it needs" as a 3rd banana.

The Lakers would take a hit to their center rotation, with no true size other than Sacre behind Howard.  Perhaps we could throw in Wilcox - a nice fit with D'Antoni.

There's also the fact that Pierce does nothing to address their age/speed problem.  But I think adding high-impact talent is more important consideration to the Lake Show than just getting younger and faster.

Pau & Celtics: Pau is just a dream fit for Doc, KG and the Celtic's offense.  Doc is absolutely dedicated to getting the ball into the post and KG is a great compliment to a post-oriented big like Pau with his elite mid-range game and high post passing.  Pau to makes KG more dangerous in the post by drawing the bigger defender and boasting a brilliant passing/facilitating skillset of his own.  Then you have the always accommodating Rondo who will work to feed Gasol in his preferred spots.  Pau also would give us a nice boost on the boards compared to Bass/Collins, and decent shot-blocking as well.

Bringing in Pau would bring up some issues defensively - we'd get slower moving KG to the 4 alongside Pau at the 5 (though with how slow Bass has been playing this year, I don't think it would be much of a drop off).  We'd also be left with Green as our only wing defender with size and pretty slim pickings in free agency to back him up.

Offensively, the downgrade from Pierce to Green hurts already tenuous floor-spacing, but I like Green, Lee and Bradley enough from the corners and Terry from anywhere to be comfortable.

Since we have to include Bass in the trade to 1. make the numbers work and 2. to compensate us for eating Pau's contract at a gamble and them getting the flexibility of PP's contract, they have to eat Bass', then we still need to get something back, moneywise.

Earl Clark is my first choice. While he has been starting instead of Pau, physically he is almost a Jeff Green prototype, so his natural position is SF. My second choice would be the currently out-injured Jordan Hill.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: snively on January 24, 2013, 03:20:38 PM
I think Pierce for Pau makes a lot of sense for both clubs and both players.

Lakers & Pierce: Pierce settling in as a 2nd option behind Kobe, usually against the opponent's lesser wing defender, would really improve his efficiency, and he's such a good complementary player with his shooting and passing.  A big upgrade on MWP in that role (and MWP going to the bench as a combo forward behind Pierce and Clark kicks the dreadful Antawn Jamison out of the rotation).  Pierce is also a pretty easy-going teammate - been chummy with Kobe in the past and pretty content to "give the game what it needs" as a 3rd banana.

The Lakers would take a hit to their center rotation, with no true size other than Sacre behind Howard.  Perhaps we could throw in Wilcox - a nice fit with D'Antoni.

There's also the fact that Pierce does nothing to address their age/speed problem.  But I think adding high-impact talent is more important consideration to the Lake Show than just getting younger and faster.

Pau & Celtics: Pau is just a dream fit for Doc, KG and the Celtic's offense.  Doc is absolutely dedicated to getting the ball into the post and KG is a great compliment to a post-oriented big like Pau with his elite mid-range game and high post passing.  Pau to makes KG more dangerous in the post by drawing the bigger defender and boasting a brilliant passing/facilitating skillset of his own.  Then you have the always accommodating Rondo who will work to feed Gasol in his preferred spots.  Pau also would give us a nice boost on the boards compared to Bass/Collins, and decent shot-blocking as well.

Bringing in Pau would bring up some issues defensively - we'd get slower moving KG to the 4 alongside Pau at the 5 (though with how slow Bass has been playing this year, I don't think it would be much of a drop off).  We'd also be left with Green as our only wing defender with size and pretty slim pickings in free agency to back him up.

Offensively, the downgrade from Pierce to Green hurts already tenuous floor-spacing, but I like Green, Lee and Bradley enough from the corners and Terry from anywhere to be comfortable.

Since we have to include Bass in the trade to 1. make the numbers work and 2. to compensate us for eating Pau's contract at a gamble and them getting the flexibility of PP's contract, they have to eat Bass', then we still need to get something back, moneywise.

Earl Clark is my first choice. While he has been starting instead of Pau, physically he is almost a Jeff Green prototype, so his natural position is SF. My second choice would be the currently out-injured Jordan Hill.

Bass doesn't have to be included to make the numbers work.  Pau makes only $2.2 mil more than Pierce and we have $2.7 mil of room under the apron.  I know Pau has a 15% trade kicker, but due to various CBA regulations it amounts to something like a 4% kick and the cap burden for paying it falls to the team trading him I believe.

I think Bass for Clark is too much of a poison pill in this deal - the Lakers are already giving up the younger star.  That's compensation enough for the cost savings and flexibility of Pierce's deal. Getting Ebanks thrown in is probably the best we could hope for in terms of Laker sweeteners.

For wing depth post Pau/Pierce swap, I'd look for a smaller follow-up deal.  Bass to Washington for Ariza (the Wizards could use some jump-shooting) or Bass to Denver for Brewer/Randolph (Bass gives them a jump-shooting alternate to Faried) might work. 


Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Rich on January 24, 2013, 03:45:10 PM
What about this:

LAL get: JET, Green, Bass, 1st rounder
BOS get: Pau

I know it leaves us thin at SF, but you know what?  KG and Pau, WOW!  Would the Lakers be interested in this type of package though is the question...
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 24, 2013, 03:55:05 PM
What about this:

LAL get: JET, Green, Bass, 1st rounder
BOS get: Pau

I know it leaves us thin at SF, but you know what?  KG and Pau, WOW!  Would the Lakers be interested in this type of package though is the question...

No they would not.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: lightspeed5 on January 24, 2013, 03:55:57 PM
sully is better than gasol. no need.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: KGs Knee on January 24, 2013, 04:37:42 PM
sully is better than gasol. no need.

Ok...um...yeah...speechless   ???
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 24, 2013, 04:40:01 PM
SInce we are talking trading with the enemy.... why not just trade the Captain/ Green/ Lee for Kobe.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: KGs Knee on January 24, 2013, 04:42:02 PM
What about this:

LAL get: JET, Green, Bass, 1st rounder
BOS get: Pau

I know it leaves us thin at SF, but you know what?  KG and Pau, WOW!  Would the Lakers be interested in this type of package though is the question...

No they would not.

If they knew what was good for them they'd be interested.  Green, Bass and Terry is about asgood of a return for Pau as they are ever going to get.  I just can't fathom any team out there offering more.

Then again, if they knew what they were doing they never would have hired Mr. Pringles as coach.  The Lakers are light years worse of a mess than the C's right now.  At least we have that.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: Rich on January 24, 2013, 05:22:56 PM
What about this:

LAL get: JET, Green, Bass, 1st rounder
BOS get: Pau

I know it leaves us thin at SF, but you know what?  KG and Pau, WOW!  Would the Lakers be interested in this type of package though is the question...

No they would not.

If they knew what was good for them they'd be interested.  Green, Bass and Terry is about asgood of a return for Pau as they are ever going to get.  I just can't fathom any team out there offering more.

Then again, if they knew what they were doing they never would have hired Mr. Pringles as coach.  The Lakers are light years worse of a mess than the C's right now.  At least we have that.

I figured it is a pretty decent return.  I tried to see it from an outsiders perspective (heck I even asked a friend who is a Knicks fan who said it made sense on both sides). JG slots into the role he has here, backup a future HOF'er, but he can also run in the system.  Terry goes back West and probably gets his swagger back bc I think he still has it, but we can't seem to fit him in and use him correctly.  And Bass is just a solid role player.  Throw in that 1st rounder and maybe we are talking.  With Gasol's value seemingly at its lowest ever, I figured this wasn't a bad idea.  Works in trade checker as well salary-wise and gives us that 1-2 year window until we truly have to transition if you will  :)
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 24, 2013, 05:46:40 PM

Bass doesn't have to be included to make the numbers work.  Pau makes only $2.2 mil more than Pierce and we have $2.7 mil of room under the apron.  I know Pau has a 15% trade kicker, but due to various CBA regulations it amounts to something like a 4% kick and the cap burden for paying it falls to the team trading him I believe.

I think Bass for Clark is too much of a poison pill in this deal - the Lakers are already giving up the younger star.  That's compensation enough for the cost savings and flexibility of Pierce's deal. Getting Ebanks thrown in is probably the best we could hope for in terms of Laker sweeteners.



+1 for the first paragraph, didn't realize that, thanks

Don't agree with thesecond paragraph, though, I guess that depends on 1. how bad the Fakers want to get rid of Pau (I am concerned about that now with Howard being hurt)and 2. obviously, what the market will bare (bear?), i.e. who wants him and how bad

An article in the Miami Sun Sentinel the other day suggested two trades for Gasol. One was for Bosh. The other involved a lot of spare parts and useless draft picks. That's a  pretty broad spectrum.

Again, my feeling is that given that he hasn't been starting, is in D'Antoni's doghouse and thinks that he is going to be traded all lower his value, and make that huge contract, especially for next year pretty weighty.

If that is the case, I think that they might be persuaded to part with Clark.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: boscel33 on January 25, 2013, 04:40:52 PM
I saw this same idea on ESPN this morning.  I forget who was talking about it, but he said that providing Pau was healthy, he would do this trade.  Gasol is three years younger than Paul, so it keeps us contenders longer.
Title: Re: We need Size::We need Gasol
Post by: csfansince60s on January 25, 2013, 05:11:43 PM
I saw this same idea on ESPN this morning.  I forget who was talking about it, but he said that providing Pau was healthy, he would do this trade.  Gasol is three years younger than Paul, so it keeps us contenders longer.

Must've been an intelligent,insightful guy. ;D