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Title: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: Jeff on January 22, 2013, 01:12:41 PM
if you want to send out a bad contract, you have to take a bad contract back - sideways move

one idea

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a38ufqf

Green for Bargs

who says no?
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: Roy H. on January 22, 2013, 01:14:55 PM
The Celtics certainly shouldn't say no.  I would do that trade a million times out of a million.  And yes, that's with open eyes about how flawed Bargs is.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: Chris on January 22, 2013, 01:18:24 PM
I had thought of something similar earlier in the year, and I would be all for it. 

I know some people hate Bargs, but he is a binky of mine.  He is a redemption project at this point, but I think he could immediately step in and give you everything Green gives you, but while playing a position of need.

I think he the type of player who needs to get on a good team that can hide his weaknesses and amplify his strengths, and the C's would be a great fit for that. 
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: ssspence on January 22, 2013, 01:20:10 PM
Me too. Bargnani has a legitimate NBA skill. Jeff Green doesn't. And contrary to popular belief, he's not 'pretty good at a number of things', which seems to be the story many hang their hat on.

That Bargnani hasn't lives up the expectations of a number one pick shouldn't overshadow his ability as basketball player. The Lakers would've traded for him already if not for that last year on his deal. That's not a problem the Cs have here.

Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: Celtics18 on January 22, 2013, 01:20:20 PM
Hmmmm?
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: scaryjerry on January 22, 2013, 01:26:07 PM
considering I'd trade Jeff green for a McDonald's happy meal, I'd do this in an instant
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 22, 2013, 01:30:01 PM
Some sort of deal to move Green/Lee to LA for Paul Gasol would be good I think for the Celtics. , at least in the short term.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: ssspence on January 22, 2013, 01:32:33 PM
Some sort of deal to move Green/Lee to LA for Paul Gasol would be good I think for the Celtics. , at least in the short term.

Lakers are refusing to take deals back longer than Gasol's for him, which is why they won't trade for Bargnani (who would be a great fit next to Howard).

Green + Lee = even longer.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: csfansince60s on January 22, 2013, 01:33:14 PM
Jeff, love it for all the reasons stated above.....

Many have said that the players read CsBlog....hopefully Danny does!

From your keyboard to Danny's ears!
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: slamtheking on January 22, 2013, 01:33:39 PM
Some sort of deal to move Green/Lee to LA for Paul Gasol would be good I think for the Celtics. , at least in the short term.
I'd do either this deal or the original proposal.  If Pau passes a physical and can play for us this year (as well as ascertain if his decline is mental not physical), that would probably be the better move to make for the short term.

Bargs wouldn't be a bad piece to have but he's no cornerstone player for a franchise.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 22, 2013, 01:40:54 PM
Im really not a big Bargs guy at all. But he can score and he has more moves than just go right with his head down (Green move).

I dunno I really do like Green despite his inconsistencies. He just has such great moments of brilliance but then some knucklehead games of no effort... I dont know if I could stomach Bargs though. Im torn.

I guess I wouldn't offer it, but if it happen I would accept it. Thats a good way to put it.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: Atzar on January 22, 2013, 01:42:11 PM
I wouldn't do it, but admittedly I don't like Bargnani.  We need a big who protects the rim and attacks the glass.  Bargs does neither.

Unless you think Green is so bad that this would be addition by subtraction (I don't) then I don't see how this helps us.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: Kane3387 on January 22, 2013, 01:46:11 PM
If we are getting Kleiza back.

Need a SF.

I made some small changes here:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bxbazeb


Boston gets Bargnani, Gray, and Kleiza
Toronto gets Green, Bass, Collins, and a pick

Definitely a sideways move but it makes us a little better and more importantly shakes things up and let's others in the locker room know that if they don't play the right way they're shipped to "no where land" like Toronto.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: wdleehi on January 22, 2013, 01:46:42 PM
I like it. 


Then look to move Bass for a SF.


Or maybe the following three team trade.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=azm3sec
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: Kane3387 on January 22, 2013, 01:48:00 PM
I like it. 


Then look to move Bass for a SF.


Or maybe the following three team trade.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=azm3sec

Me like.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: Roy H. on January 22, 2013, 01:50:29 PM
I like it. 


Then look to move Bass for a SF.


Or maybe the following three team trade.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=azm3sec

Me like.

If Denver would do that, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: wdleehi on January 22, 2013, 01:51:42 PM
I like it. 


Then look to move Bass for a SF.


Or maybe the following three team trade.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=azm3sec

Me like.

If Denver would do that, I'd do it in a heartbeat.


With Chandler back, they might want to move one of those two.  A jumpshooting PF would be an interesting add to that mix.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: Evantime34 on January 22, 2013, 01:53:55 PM
If we're sharing outlandish trades here is mine
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aspsneb

I think LA is the least likely to do it. However, they do seem committed to going with D'Antoni's system and Bargnani could not be a better fit.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: ScottHow on January 22, 2013, 01:54:25 PM
I'm meh either way. I just don't know if I can take another "big" man that can't rebound.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: bopna on January 22, 2013, 01:59:16 PM
problem is, Raps laugh at this even if we throw in a 1st.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: nostar on January 22, 2013, 02:00:15 PM
When I started this post I was the first pass. Slow typer I guess. I think Green is a much better player than he's being given credit for. I don't want to take on a bigger contract for a player who can't rebound and doesn't like contact. We have one of those in Green. The difference is that Green is more athletic, is on a smaller contract and already knows a lot of our system. Oh and Bargs is playing pretty badly this season. 40% FG and 16pts on 15 shots. Add in he can't play a lick of defense and I'm passing.

I'd trade Green, but I'm not making lateral moves like this. This is very similar to trading Courtney Lee for C.J. Miles. Or Jason Collins for Andris Biedrins. Same medicine with slightly worse side-effects.

This trade might be worth our while:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bf7d9rp

and Boston's 2013 1st rounder.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: Kane3387 on January 22, 2013, 02:04:28 PM
When I started this post I was the first pass. Slow typer I guess. I think Green is a much better player than he's being given credit for. I don't want to take on a bigger contract for a player who can't rebound and doesn't like contact. We have one of those in Green. The difference is that Green is more athletic, is on a smaller contract and already knows a lot of our system. Oh and Bargs is playing pretty badly this season. 40% FG and 16pts on 15 shots. Add in he can't play a lick of defense and I'm passing.

I'd trade Green, but I'm not making lateral moves like this. This is very similar to trading Courtney Lee for C.J. Miles. Or Jason Collins for Andris Biedrins. Same medicine with slightly worse side-effects.

This trade might be worth our while:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bf7d9rp

and Boston's 2013 1st rounder.

SOLD!
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: Evantime34 on January 22, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
When I started this post I was the first pass. Slow typer I guess. I think Green is a much better player than he's being given credit for. I don't want to take on a bigger contract for a player who can't rebound and doesn't like contact. We have one of those in Green. The difference is that Green is more athletic, is on a smaller contract and already knows a lot of our system. Oh and Bargs is playing pretty badly this season. 40% FG and 16pts on 15 shots. Add in he can't play a lick of defense and I'm passing.

I'd trade Green, but I'm not making lateral moves like this. This is very similar to trading Courtney Lee for C.J. Miles. Or Jason Collins for Andris Biedrins. Same medicine with slightly worse side-effects.

This trade might be worth our while:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bf7d9rp

and Boston's 2013 1st rounder.
I would do that, provided they amended Beasley's contract so Garnett is allowed to hit him.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: ssspence on January 22, 2013, 02:31:55 PM
I like it. 


Then look to move Bass for a SF.


Or maybe the following three team trade.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=azm3sec

Me like.

If Denver would do that, I'd do it in a heartbeat.


With Chandler back, they might want to move one of those two.  A jumpshooting PF would be an interesting add to that mix.

I don't think they'd take Bass for Brewer (even though he's expiring). I do think they'd consider trading Chandler for Bass.

I'd rather have Bargnani and Chandler than Green and Bass.

But yes, if Denver and Toronto would do the deal above.... pinch me, I think I'm dreaming.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: Who on January 22, 2013, 02:32:52 PM
Nope -- too worried about the defensive and rebounding implications.

Not convinced this team is well-suited to having a player like Bargnani given their rebounding problems and how reliant the team defense has been on defensive quickness.
Title: Re: no player is untradable - Jeff Green idea
Post by: ssspence on January 22, 2013, 02:35:17 PM
When I started this post I was the first pass. Slow typer I guess. I think Green is a much better player than he's being given credit for. I don't want to take on a bigger contract for a player who can't rebound and doesn't like contact. We have one of those in Green. The difference is that Green is more athletic, is on a smaller contract and already knows a lot of our system. Oh and Bargs is playing pretty badly this season. 40% FG and 16pts on 15 shots. Add in he can't play a lick of defense and I'm passing.

I'd trade Green, but I'm not making lateral moves like this. This is very similar to trading Courtney Lee for C.J. Miles. Or Jason Collins for Andris Biedrins. Same medicine with slightly worse side-effects.

This trade might be worth our while:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bf7d9rp

and Boston's 2013 1st rounder.

Posted this trade last week, if you're interested in reactions:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=61549.30