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Title: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: diddybop on January 22, 2013, 11:03:39 AM
Unless Ainge finds a way to get this team on track, I think a full rebuild starting next year makes sense for one reason: Andrew Wiggins.

This kid is a phenom. Hands down the best HS prep player since Lebron - scouts are already comparing him to Lebron when he was in HS and the consensus is that Wiggins skill level is higher, while Lebron's body was more NBA ready at 17 years old. Wiggins is 6'7", long, athletic and so skilled in every aspect of the game.

Obviously Boston would have to get lucky with the ping pong balls, b/c this kid is hands down the #1 pick in 2014. He will be a franchise player, the way Lebron and KD are. Its hard to say any teenager is going to be a sure thing in the pros, but he is as sure as they get.

There is nobody in the 2013 draft that can compare to Wiggins talent level. Not Noel, Zeller, Shabazz etc...nobody. Whoever lands the #1 pick in 2014, will have their franchise cornerstone set in place.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: BballTim on January 22, 2013, 11:07:47 AM
Unless Ainge finds a way to get this team on track, I think a full rebuild starting next year makes sense for one reason: Andrew Wiggins.

This kid is a phenom. Hands down the best HS prep player since Lebron - scouts are already comparing him to Lebron when he was in HS and the consensus is that Wiggins skill level is higher, while Lebron's body was more NBA ready at 17 years old. Wiggins is 6'7", long, athletic and so skilled in every aspect of the game.

Obviously Boston would have to get lucky with the ping pong balls, b/c this kid is hands down the #1 pick in 2014.

  So there's a player that might be great in the 2014 draft and about an 80% chance that we won't get him even if we're terrible but we should blow it up just in case we'll get lucky in the lottery?
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 22, 2013, 11:07:51 AM
Don't know much about Wiggins, but "win the lottery" is only a slightly better plan in the NBA than in real life.  Those Ping-Pong balls aren't known for cooperating with our aspirations.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: Kane3387 on January 22, 2013, 11:09:12 AM
Sure!!! Let's DO IT!!!!!! I mean Len Bias, Tim Duncan, and Kevin Durant worked out great for us!!!!
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: diddybop on January 22, 2013, 11:13:59 AM
Yes - chances of getting the #1 are probably .000000001

Yes - Blowing it up for the chance at the #1 pick is very dumb.

I guess I just wanted to talk about Andrew Wiggins, and put my dream scenario of him wearing a Celtics jersey on (virtual) paper. Sorry, I'm a bit over-enthusiastic on the guy.

In all seriousness, the 2014 draft is going to be incredibly better than 2013. Much deeper, more impact prospects.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 22, 2013, 11:17:22 AM
I'm not even sure that we'll be as worse as the Bobcats if we blow it up. Chance of landing the number 1 overall in 2014 is slim.

And BTW, I'd pick Jabari Parker over Wiggins. I think coming from that Chicago area, that school, the history of it, I'd lean towards Parker a bit more than Wiggins. High character kid as well (not saying Wiggins isn't I don't know).
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: diddybop on January 22, 2013, 11:56:47 AM
Yes, agreed that there is pretty much no shot at getting the #1 pick. And even if we were worse than Charlotte, the ping pong balls would probably get us the 4th pick or something like that.....

But I don't think Parker is in the same class as Wiggins. Parker is a very talented player. but Wiggins is projected to be on the level of LBJ/Durant. It's a pretty unanimous consensus with scouts. Every scout that I've read in different articles all say that he is the best prep player since LBJ.

Not saying Parker isn't going to be a force, but the skill set, size and athleticism that Wiggins has, doesn't come around very often.

I've seen a fair share of interviews with Wiggins, and everything written up about him portrays him to be a very standup kid. Polite, humble, very coachable.

He's got the genes, dad was a 1st rd pick and mom was an olympic silver medalist in track and field (both are FSU alumns).

I'm very excited to see him in the pros. Same goes for Julian Randle, Jabari Parker, the Harrison twins...if these kids are all one and done - which most will be, 2014 is going to be incredibly stacked with talent. Too bad the #1 pick is a pipe dream.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: indeedproceed on January 22, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
Yes - chances of getting the #1 are probably .000000001

Yes - Blowing it up for the chance at the #1 pick is very dumb.

I guess I just wanted to talk about Andrew Wiggins, and put my dream scenario of him wearing a Celtics jersey on (virtual) paper. Sorry, I'm a bit over-enthusiastic on the guy.

In all seriousness, the 2014 draft is going to be incredibly better than 2013. Much deeper, more impact prospects.

The 2014 draft class is so deep that Karl Towns Jr, a 6-11 center from NJ who just recorded a QUADRUPLE DOUBLE (Pts, Rebs, Asts, Blks) reclassified to graduate highschool in 2014 (making him draftable likely in 2015).
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: sofutomygaha on January 22, 2013, 12:43:11 PM
Ah yes. I remember this thread last year when the name was Nerlens Noel. And the year before that when the name was Austin Rivers. We got pretty steamy about Donatas Motiejunas too, as I recall.

Like nuclear fusion, the franchise savior is always just around the corner.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: MBz on January 22, 2013, 01:33:32 PM

In all seriousness, the 2014 draft is going to be incredibly better than 2013. Much deeper, more impact prospects.

They say this EVERY year.  Then a phenom like Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones comes in, doesnt perform as well as expected and they call the draft weaker then expected and say next years will be stronger. 
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: RyNye on January 22, 2013, 01:47:41 PM
Yeah, I always think it is funny when people are getting excited about players/drafts more than a year down the line.

I mean, seriously, what is the success rate on projecting player performance in the NBA pre-draft for professionals, nevermind random amateur fans?
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 22, 2013, 01:52:38 PM

In all seriousness, the 2014 draft is going to be incredibly better than 2013. Much deeper, more impact prospects.

They say this EVERY year.  Then a phenom like Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones comes in, doesnt perform as well as expected and they call the draft weaker then next expected and next years will be stronger.

Bingo.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: Moranis on January 22, 2013, 01:58:16 PM

In all seriousness, the 2014 draft is going to be incredibly better than 2013. Much deeper, more impact prospects.

They say this EVERY year.  Then a phenom like Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones comes in, doesnt perform as well as expected and they call the draft weaker then expected and say next years will be stronger.
No they don't.  Irving's draft was widely regarded as weak well before it ever happened and it was.  Last year was widely regarded as pretty deep and it appears that it was. 
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 22, 2013, 02:09:18 PM
This is my first time hearing about Wiggens, but if he's as good as everyone seems to think... I hope the Sonics get him.  Durant's still young enough that in 2018 or so when Wiggens is finally coming around, Durant will still be in his late 20s.  That would be a fun rivalry.  :)
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: indeedproceed on January 22, 2013, 02:13:46 PM
Yeah, I always think it is funny when people are getting excited about players/drafts more than a year down the line.

I mean, seriously, what is the success rate on projecting player performance in the NBA pre-draft for professionals, nevermind random amateur fans?

I think you're confusing two things; mainly, projecting individual's performance, and projecting the value of an overall draft class.

You can be wrong about any one player, but generally people have been right about draft classes.

And, the 2014 draft class looks very special right now. Sure, if 2 or 3 of the top prospects decide to wait a year (which as I said before, Karl Towns Jr is already doing, he was one of the few guys people though would have a shot at challenging Wiggins for the top spot) it could change things, but with what we know now, it looks like a draft class absolutely full of talent.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: BballTim on January 22, 2013, 02:27:28 PM
Yes - chances of getting the #1 are probably .000000001

Yes - Blowing it up for the chance at the #1 pick is very dumb.

I guess I just wanted to talk about Andrew Wiggins, and put my dream scenario of him wearing a Celtics jersey on (virtual) paper. Sorry, I'm a bit over-enthusiastic on the guy.

In all seriousness, the 2014 draft is going to be incredibly better than 2013. Much deeper, more impact prospects.

The 2014 draft class is so deep that Karl Towns Jr, a 6-11 center from NJ who just recorded a QUADRUPLE DOUBLE (Pts, Rebs, Asts, Blks) reclassified to graduate highschool in 2014 (making him draftable likely in 2015).

  Is that really so exciting in HS? I think big Al averaged 40/20 or so in HS.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: indeedproceed on January 22, 2013, 02:40:00 PM
Yes - chances of getting the #1 are probably .000000001

Yes - Blowing it up for the chance at the #1 pick is very dumb.

I guess I just wanted to talk about Andrew Wiggins, and put my dream scenario of him wearing a Celtics jersey on (virtual) paper. Sorry, I'm a bit over-enthusiastic on the guy.

In all seriousness, the 2014 draft is going to be incredibly better than 2013. Much deeper, more impact prospects.

The 2014 draft class is so deep that Karl Towns Jr, a 6-11 center from NJ who just recorded a QUADRUPLE DOUBLE (Pts, Rebs, Asts, Blks) reclassified to graduate highschool in 2014 (making him draftable likely in 2015).

  Is that really so exciting in HS? I think big Al averaged 40/20 or so in HS.

Its pretty exciting in HS, more so considering it was one prep school vs another. Pretty dominating performance, but he (was) the #3 prospect in the country.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: diddybop on January 22, 2013, 02:45:04 PM
There is always a potential franchise savior. Harrison Barnes is good example of being considered that savior (Im a huge UNC fan so I watched that guy a lot), but is turning out to be a slightly above average rotation guy in the NBA (that is his peak IMHO).

Wiggins is very different. NOBODY talked about Austin Rivers, Nerlens or Barnes the way they do about Wiggins. Barnes had a ton of hype, but people really overlooked that he got that hype playing HS ball in Iowa. Wiggins is viewed the same way Lebron was when he was in HS. And he place in a tough HS league, with powerhouses like Oak Hill...unless injuries hold him back, Wiggins will be an NBA elite player by 2015.

Yes we hear about guys every year, that are going to be the next big thing, and more often than not it's not the case, but this kid is different. I'm just gonna stop hyping him up at this point, but if you are skeptical, read up on him, or watch him play. You will be genuinely amazed at how incredibly gifted he is in every single aspect of the game.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: indeedproceed on January 22, 2013, 02:52:33 PM
There is always a potential franchise savior. Harrison Barnes is good example of being considered that savior (Im a huge UNC fan so I watched that guy a lot), but is turning out to be a slightly above average rotation guy in the NBA (that is his peak IMHO).

You're saying he's peaked as a player during his rookie season? Yikes.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: Birdman on January 22, 2013, 03:34:12 PM
Stern can give us a first pick if he wanted to  ;D..but he is retiring
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: aporel#18 on January 22, 2013, 03:54:31 PM
Wiggins dominated last year's Nike Hoop Summit being the youngest kid of the bunch. It helped having the young chinese center and Saric from Croatia in his team, but the kid is the real deal. He'll be there again this year (hopefully) and we can expect an even more dominating performance there.

He could be a superstar, but we'll only know when he is playing against the pros. Of course I'd love to see him in green, but we know the ping pong balls are not on our side.

Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: Bosstown on January 22, 2013, 04:00:42 PM
Even if we did get the #1 pick in 2014...I see Ainge scooping up his Mormon brethren Jabari Parker.

I'd love to have Wiggins though.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: ozman on January 22, 2013, 04:50:33 PM
why blow it up? So after games we can all make comment about glimpes of potential that certain players showed or didnt show?

I'd rather apreciate our hall of famers and (current) all stars Pierce and Garnett in their final years whilst staying competitive.
We already have some good pieces to build around and i dont see any reason to 'blow it up' and cross our fingers that we get the #1 pick.



Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: Bosstown on January 22, 2013, 05:14:09 PM
why blow it up? So after games we can all make comment about glimpes of potential that certain players showed or didnt show?

I'd rather apreciate our hall of famers and (current) all stars Pierce and Garnett in their final years whilst staying competitive.
We already have some good pieces to build around and i dont see any reason to 'blow it up' and cross our fingers that we get the #1 pick.

Why blow it up? Because being a mediocre team is the worst thing you can be in sports. No high draft picks and no legit championship contention. We are not going to get either, this team is what it is a .500 team.

.500 teams don't win championships and don't get young assets. Jared and Sully are nice complementary players, but they haven't shown me anything that would lead me to believe that they could be superstars.

High Draft Picks = Better chance at landing a franchise players
Franchise Players = Championships

PP and KG are old. Rondo is inconsistant. Something needs to be done. Period. We go ALL in or ALL out, you can't drive straight at a fork. You drive straight and you get this a .500 team with no shot at a championship.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: Celtics18 on January 22, 2013, 05:18:40 PM
Dear Danny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROM

Love,

Kevin, Paul, Rajon, Avery, Courtney, Brandon, Jared, Jeff, Jason T., Chris, Jason C., Leandro, and Fabricio.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: Eddie20 on January 22, 2013, 05:37:34 PM
I don't agree with OP on blowing it up. However, Wiggins is the real deal fellas. These are his HL's as a junior in HS. To compare him with Rivers, Noel, etc. is blasphemous. He's definitely in the James, Durant, category in terms of raw talent and sheer potential.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJn74ufOx64 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJn74ufOx64)
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: diddybop on January 22, 2013, 05:40:43 PM
There is always a potential franchise savior. Harrison Barnes is good example of being considered that savior (Im a huge UNC fan so I watched that guy a lot), but is turning out to be a slightly above average rotation guy in the NBA (that is his peak IMHO).

You're saying he's peaked as a player during his rookie season? Yikes.

No I'm not saying he has peaked during his rookie season, but that his ceiling is above average rotation player/fringe All-Star.  Considering what he was supposed to be when he walked into Chapel Hill, it's disappointing.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: ozman on January 22, 2013, 06:37:00 PM
why blow it up? So after games we can all make comment about glimpes of potential that certain players showed or didnt show?

I'd rather apreciate our hall of famers and (current) all stars Pierce and Garnett in their final years whilst staying competitive.
We already have some good pieces to build around and i dont see any reason to 'blow it up' and cross our fingers that we get the #1 pick.

Why blow it up? Because being a mediocre team is the worst thing you can be in sports. No high draft picks and no legit championship contention. We are not going to get either, this team is what it is a .500 team.

.500 teams don't win championships and don't get young assets. Jared and Sully are nice complementary players, but they haven't shown me anything that would lead me to believe that they could be superstars.

High Draft Picks = Better chance at landing a franchise players
Franchise Players = Championships

PP and KG are old. Rondo is inconsistant. Something needs to be done. Period. We go ALL in or ALL out, you can't drive straight at a fork. You drive straight and you get this a .500 team with no shot at a championship.

For every team that blows it up and hits big in the lottery, there are two mediocre teams who didnt and thus reamin stuck in 500 % mediocrity.
The teams that do blow it up and go for the lottery dont always pan out. Wizards/Bobcats/Kings/Bucks to name a few.
Free Agency and Trade are the biggest tools for building a contender.
We have Assets to trade, and Danny is very good at drafting middle to late 1st round. Build around them or sell them high with expiring contracts (which he will have, and/or can aquire like he did with theo ratliff/wally szerb) for more talent.

Pierce & KG are old, no question. They were old in 2010 when they went to the finals, they were old last year when they went to game 7. It's not a valid argument because old has proven to win. and theese guys are still performing at a high level.

Sure... rondo's scoring is inconsistant, but when your talking about running an offense, his as good and consistant as it gets. his a tripple double threat every night. his a top 10 talent and definitly someone you can build around.


right now the team is strugling but the team has too much talent not to go on a run, and come play off time theres not a single team in the east that wants to play boston in a 7 game series, home court or not.






Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: indeedproceed on January 22, 2013, 07:08:46 PM
There is always a potential franchise savior. Harrison Barnes is good example of being considered that savior (Im a huge UNC fan so I watched that guy a lot), but is turning out to be a slightly above average rotation guy in the NBA (that is his peak IMHO).

You're saying he's peaked as a player during his rookie season? Yikes.

No I'm not saying he has peaked during his rookie season, but that his ceiling is above average rotation player/fringe All-Star.  Considering what he was supposed to be when he walked into Chapel Hill, it's disappointing.

Oh. I see. Well ending up with a fringe all-star from the 7th pick overall, that'd be pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: EJPLAYA on January 22, 2013, 07:22:24 PM
I don't agree with OP on blowing it up. However, Wiggins is the real deal fellas. These are his HL's as a junior in HS. To compare him with Rivers, Noel, etc. is blasphemous. He's definitely in the James, Durant, category in terms of raw talent and sheer potential.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJn74ufOx64 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJn74ufOx64)

Based on that video I'd trade the entire Celtics roster for the chance to draft that kid. Unreal balance and athleticism. He is unreal. Head above the rim throwing it down hard, but then step back from deep in your face with touch. He is definitely in the Lebron, Durant potential level. Different level with the chance to be one of the best.
Title: Re: Why Blowing It Up Makes Sense (2014 Draft)
Post by: saltlover on January 25, 2013, 01:09:17 PM
Ah yes. I remember this thread last year when the name was Nerlens Noel. And the year before that when the name was Austin Rivers. We got pretty steamy about Donatas Motiejunas too, as I recall.

Like nuclear fusion, the franchise savior is always just around the corner.

Have you watched any college basketball?  Noel is living up to his hype.  He's going to make some NBA team very happy.