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Title: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: ssspence on January 22, 2013, 09:35:57 AM

Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS

League source confirms Grizzlies agree to send Marreese Speights, Josh Selby to Cavs for Jon Leuer. There is a pick involved in deal.

The trade saves the Grizzlies about $4M, pushing them under the tax line and eliminating financial need to move Rudy Gay this season.

Along with the two players, the pick goes to Cleveland in the deal, the price of giving Memphis the tax relief it was seeking.

Full deal is Speights, Selby, Ellington and pick to Cleveland for Jon Leuer. Welcome to luxury taxonomics.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Who on January 22, 2013, 09:41:53 AM
Smart move -- Ellington is a loss though. He was their only reliable shooter outside of Conley.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: StartOrien on January 22, 2013, 09:45:32 AM
I love what the Cavs are doing in cases like this. If only they could draft well.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Donoghus on January 22, 2013, 09:45:59 AM
Smart move by Memphis
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: ssspence on January 22, 2013, 09:46:14 AM
Smart move -- Ellington is a loss though. He was their only reliable shooter outside of Conley.

Agreed -- and they don't have much they can trade now to grab a shooter before the deadline (should they want to take a stab at a banner).

Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Who on January 22, 2013, 09:53:39 AM
Smart move -- Ellington is a loss though. He was their only reliable shooter outside of Conley.

Agreed -- and they don't have much they can trade now to grab a shooter before the deadline (should they want to take a stab at a banner).

I think their lack of shooters is going to stop Memphis from properly competing for a title. They have very strong talent at the top of their roster but they have failed to put an adequate supporting cast around them.

First or second round .... and out.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 22, 2013, 10:01:26 AM
I've always liked Speights.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: TripleOT on January 22, 2013, 10:10:22 AM
Hollinger analysis -3 wins for Memphis   ;D

The Griz will roll the dice with snake bit Darrell Arthur as their third big.  Let's see if he can stay healthy.

Pondexter can play Ellington's minutes.  Both guys are stroking the threeball this season, at 42%, with Pondexter being a bit bigger and more versatile. 

The Cavs pick up a scoring big, which they need.  They still have room to facilitate another team or two to duck under the cap.   

Reports have the Griz also giving up a 2015 first round draft pick. 

I understand how armchair GMs will say "good move" but I say "Don't buy a team if you can't dip into LuxTax land."  Timberlake should have just agreed to do "Friends With Benefits II."

I hope that 2015 pick ends up being a 5 time all star.  I don't like these deals based on economics instead of putting the best basketball team on the floor, especially for a contender.  However. Memphis has been operating under that model for a while now and has actually been able to build a contender, so they'll et the benefit of the doubt here.   
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Kane3387 on January 22, 2013, 10:11:43 AM
Well so much for any deals containing Rudy Gay this season.

Delonte to the Grizzlies also!

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Chris Vernon: BREAKING: Grizzlies are going to sign former Knick Bill Walker and former Celtic Delonte West. Also will sign Sasha Vujacic. Twitter @ChrisVernonShow/quote]
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: TripleOT on January 22, 2013, 10:21:41 AM
Well so much for any deals containing Rudy Gay this season.

Delonte to the Grizzlies also!

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Chris Vernon: BREAKING: Grizzlies are going to sign former Knick Bill Walker and former Celtic Delonte West. Also will sign Sasha Vujacic. Twitter @ChrisVernonShow/quote]

Delonte, TA and Zach on the same team? Love it.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: indeedproceed on January 22, 2013, 10:34:00 AM
Well so much for any deals containing Rudy Gay this season.

Delonte to the Grizzlies also!

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Chris Vernon: BREAKING: Grizzlies are going to sign former Knick Bill Walker and former Celtic Delonte West. Also will sign Sasha Vujacic. Twitter @ChrisVernonShow/quote]

I can feel it you guys, this is gonna be Bill Walker's season! Come on Billy!
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Kane3387 on January 22, 2013, 10:36:16 AM
Well so much for any deals containing Rudy Gay this season.

Delonte to the Grizzlies also!

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Chris Vernon: BREAKING: Grizzlies are going to sign former Knick Bill Walker and former Celtic Delonte West. Also will sign Sasha Vujacic. Twitter @ChrisVernonShow/quote]

I can feel it you guys, this is gonna be Bill Walker's season! Come on Billy!

Delonte and TA reunited!

I like Delonte on that team. Memphis is going to be a handful to compete against in a 7 game series. Too many guys that Love to play physical and get after it. Also a lot more versatility with Delonte in that rotation now.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Who on January 22, 2013, 10:46:22 AM
Well so much for any deals containing Rudy Gay this season.

Delonte to the Grizzlies also!

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Chris Vernon: BREAKING: Grizzlies are going to sign former Knick Bill Walker and former Celtic Delonte West. Also will sign Sasha Vujacic. Twitter @ChrisVernonShow

Those are nice deals. Vujacic is just as good as Ellington is.

Delonte West is better than any of their backup guards. Big upgrade. 

Bill Walker is a nothing player and a waste of a roster but 2 for 3 is good shootin'.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Moranis on January 22, 2013, 10:53:20 AM
I love what the Cavs are doing in cases like this. If only they could draft well.
you seem to imply they haven't been, which hasn't been the case at all (at least since Ferry was booted).  Irving was a no brainer, Thompson has been very good (esp. post-Varejao), Waiters is looking like a real player, and Zeller has been a monster since Varejao went out.  4 first round picks in the last two years and all 4 seem like real players and great value for the spot taken. 
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Who on January 22, 2013, 10:59:21 AM
I love what the Cavs are doing in cases like this. If only they could draft well.
you seem to imply they haven't been, which hasn't been the case at all (at least since Ferry was booted).  Irving was a no brainer, Thompson has been very good (esp. post-Varejao), Waiters is looking like a real player, and Zeller has been a monster since Varejao went out.  4 first round picks in the last two years and all 4 seem like real players and great value for the spot taken.
Irving is the only one I am really sold on at this stage.

Jury is still out on the other three.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Kane3387 on January 22, 2013, 11:01:13 AM
I love what the Cavs are doing in cases like this. If only they could draft well.
you seem to imply they haven't been, which hasn't been the case at all (at least since Ferry was booted).  Irving was a no brainer, Thompson has been very good (esp. post-Varejao), Waiters is looking like a real player, and Zeller has been a monster since Varejao went out.  4 first round picks in the last two years and all 4 seem like real players and great value for the spot taken.
Irving is the only one I am really sold on at this stage.

Jury is still out on the other three.

Thompson is very raw and is already a double double machine. He has the potential to be a very good player. Too early to tell on the other two but they are doing a nice job of going the OKC route.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: RJ87 on January 22, 2013, 11:06:27 AM
Oh, I like Delonte on that team.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Moranis on January 22, 2013, 11:08:02 AM
I love what the Cavs are doing in cases like this. If only they could draft well.
you seem to imply they haven't been, which hasn't been the case at all (at least since Ferry was booted).  Irving was a no brainer, Thompson has been very good (esp. post-Varejao), Waiters is looking like a real player, and Zeller has been a monster since Varejao went out.  4 first round picks in the last two years and all 4 seem like real players and great value for the spot taken.
Irving is the only one I am really sold on at this stage.

Jury is still out on the other three.
Thompson on the year is averaging 10.3 and 9.3.  In his last 10 (just about coinciding with Andy going down) he is up to 14.1 and 11.9.  Not bad for a 21 year old second year man.  Zeller has picked it up a lot since Andy went down as well pulling his last 10 averages to 9.1 and 7.8, not bad for a rookie center.  And Waiters seems like a monster scorer, upping his scoring in his last 10 to 16.3 (and jumping his FG% more than 5% above his season average, though it is still bad).  Not bad for a 21 year old rookie. 

Obviously they are young guys, but if you re-did the drafts, I think all of those guys would be picked where they were or higher, at least based on their careers thus far.  That doesn't say miss to me.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: StartOrien on January 22, 2013, 11:22:24 AM
I love what the Cavs are doing in cases like this. If only they could draft well.
you seem to imply they haven't been, which hasn't been the case at all (at least since Ferry was booted).  Irving was a no brainer, Thompson has been very good (esp. post-Varejao), Waiters is looking like a real player, and Zeller has been a monster since Varejao went out.  4 first round picks in the last two years and all 4 seem like real players and great value for the spot taken.
Irving is the only one I am really sold on at this stage.

Jury is still out on the other three.
Thompson on the year is averaging 10.3 and 9.3.  In his last 10 (just about coinciding with Andy going down) he is up to 14.1 and 11.9.  Not bad for a 21 year old second year man.  Zeller has picked it up a lot since Andy went down as well pulling his last 10 averages to 9.1 and 7.8, not bad for a rookie center.  And Waiters seems like a monster scorer, upping his scoring in his last 10 to 16.3 (and jumping his FG% more than 5% above his season average, though it is still bad).  Not bad for a 21 year old rookie. 

Obviously they are young guys, but if you re-did the drafts, I think all of those guys would be picked where they were or higher, at least based on their careers thus far.  That doesn't say miss to me.

I don't buy it. I think you're looking at inflated numbers on a bad team. These guys just don't pass the eye test. Granted, I'm not watching Cavs basketball year round, but the 4 or 5 times I've seen them play the teams looked like a complete disaster (outside of Irving).

EDIT: oof, forgot how bad last years draft was. There's still a bunch of guys behind Thompson I'd rather have but not as many as I had expected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_Draft)

This year, however, there's a lot of guys I'd pick before Waiters. Who seems like a really poor fit for Irving
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Moranis on January 22, 2013, 11:39:06 AM
I love what the Cavs are doing in cases like this. If only they could draft well.
you seem to imply they haven't been, which hasn't been the case at all (at least since Ferry was booted).  Irving was a no brainer, Thompson has been very good (esp. post-Varejao), Waiters is looking like a real player, and Zeller has been a monster since Varejao went out.  4 first round picks in the last two years and all 4 seem like real players and great value for the spot taken.
Irving is the only one I am really sold on at this stage.

Jury is still out on the other three.
Thompson on the year is averaging 10.3 and 9.3.  In his last 10 (just about coinciding with Andy going down) he is up to 14.1 and 11.9.  Not bad for a 21 year old second year man.  Zeller has picked it up a lot since Andy went down as well pulling his last 10 averages to 9.1 and 7.8, not bad for a rookie center.  And Waiters seems like a monster scorer, upping his scoring in his last 10 to 16.3 (and jumping his FG% more than 5% above his season average, though it is still bad).  Not bad for a 21 year old rookie. 

Obviously they are young guys, but if you re-did the drafts, I think all of those guys would be picked where they were or higher, at least based on their careers thus far.  That doesn't say miss to me.

I don't buy it. I think you're looking at inflated numbers on a bad team. These guys just don't pass the eye test. Granted, I'm not watching Cavs basketball year round, but the 4 or 5 times I've seen them play the teams looked like a complete disaster (outside of Irving).

EDIT: oof, forgot how bad last years draft was. There's still a bunch of guys behind Thompson I'd rather have but not as many as I had expected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_Draft)

This year, however, there's a lot of guys I'd pick before Waiters.
The thing is most of those guys aren't on bad teams, yet they are producing like the Cavs guys are.  Waiters for example, has clearly out performed MKG and Beal to this point.  You still might draft MKG and Beal ahead of him for potential reasons, but not if you look at actually production, which would have this past draft as 1. Davis, 2. Lillard, 3. Drummond, and 4. Waiters.  Zeller would probably come in around 7 or 8.   

Last Years draft based on production thus far
1. Irving
2. Faried
3. Vucevic
4. T. Thompson

Now sure a guy like Valanciunas has more potential and guys like Walker are better scorers, but I think Thompson goes 4th again based on actual production, and again all of those guys are essentially on bad teams (except Faried).
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: StartOrien on January 22, 2013, 11:47:15 AM
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Last Years draft based on production thus far
1. Irving
2. Faried
3. Vucevic
4. T. Thompson

Off the top of my head Kawhi Leonard and Klay Thompson are pretty big omissions on that list. From a prospect standpoint Valancunias seems to be a much better option.

Add Iman Shumpert to the list for sure too.

To me, Thompson has Hakim Warrick written all over him. A guy that can put up numbers without making any kind of real impact on the game.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Lucky17 on January 22, 2013, 12:05:31 PM
Nice job by the Cavs. I saw something on the ESPN crawl this morning, but could have sworn it said the pick was going from Cleveland to Memphis (which I thought strange at the time).

I like the Speights pickup for Cleveland. They needed more size, with AV now out for the season. Ellington becomes, what, the 17th wing on the Cavs roster?
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Who on January 22, 2013, 12:19:06 PM
My views on Thompson + Zeller ...

I think Tristan Thompson is already an above average defender and rebounder for the power forward position with excellent defensive potential. However, he has shown little to no skill-level offensively yet. He has no jump shot. He has no shot-creation skills. He is not a passer. He is strictly a finisher around the basket.

On a decent team, Thompson wouldn't get more than 15-20 minutes a night due to his offensive limitations. The only reason he is playing so much and putting up such numbers is because the Cavs suck.

Until he shows more offensive talent, I think Thompson is very much a question as far as star-talent goes ... but I do think he will be at least a solid rotation player for a long time. He is already a serviceable backup PF due to his solid defense and rebounding. By adding a passable jump-shot and fulfilling that high end defensive potential, Thompson can become a Taj Gibson like player (high end role player, glue guy). So I believe Thompson has good pedigree as a long term contributor but still has a lot of uncertainty as far as star talent.

I think Tyler Zeller is a deficient defender and rebounder at the center position. Too much of a lightweight in each department to ever be a quality starter. His potential maxes out as high end backup center but I think he is more likely to end up a middle of the pack to slightly above average backup center than a high end one. Good jump-shot and mobility.

I don't know what to make of Waiters yet. Too early.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 22, 2013, 01:47:41 PM
Interesting.

I didnt like it for the Grizz at first but if those signings are actually true then its not bad. They are still soooo thing up front however.  They save about 6 mil in cap and wont have to trade Gay or Randolph. Keepign that lineup intact was the smartest move to make. Thin bench, especially up front.

Conley/West
Allen/Walker/Vujacic
Gay/Pondexter
Randolph/Arthur
Gasol/Haddadi
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Post by: pearljammer10 on January 22, 2013, 01:48:44 PM
Also, Gibson has to be on the verge of a trade for the Cavs Im guessing.
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Post by: Kane3387 on January 22, 2013, 01:49:33 PM
Clearly Memphis needs to go sign Kenyon Martin  :D.

West, TA, K Mart, Z Bo. LOL that locker room is reality TV.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 22, 2013, 01:51:21 PM
Other updates.

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Ronald Tillery: Source confirms Speights, Ellington, Selby and protected first in 2015 to Cavs. Griz receive Jon Leuer and $6.4 million trade exception Twitter @CAGrizBlog


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Chris Vernon: More News: If Grizzlies don't sign Walker/West - are considering Micah Downs, Eddie House, or Joe Ingles (currently in Barcelona) Twitter @ChrisVernonShow


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Emiliano Carchia: Sasha Vujacic won't leave Anadolu Efes Istanbul to join Memphis Grizzlies. No offers to the player, no offers to Efes, no NBA out Twitter @SportandoBasket
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Evantime34 on January 22, 2013, 01:57:52 PM
Good deal for Cleveland. It's a good deal for Memphis when you consider this the alternative to moving Gay or Randolph.

On a personal not I'm unhappy with this trade, because most of the trades I made up on the trade machine involve us giving Memphis Bass and Terry Us getting a big and the third team getting Gay.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Moranis on January 22, 2013, 02:04:57 PM
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Last Years draft based on production thus far
1. Irving
2. Faried
3. Vucevic
4. T. Thompson

Off the top of my head Kawhi Leonard and Klay Thompson are pretty big omissions on that list. From a prospect standpoint Valancunias seems to be a much better option.

Add Iman Shumpert to the list for sure too.

To me, Thompson has Hakim Warrick written all over him. A guy that can put up numbers without making any kind of real impact on the game.
Based on production thus far Shumpert and Leonard belong no where near that list.  Klay certainly could be there and he is a pretty nice scorer/shooter thus far.  He doesn't do much else aside from shoot though.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: CelticsFan9 on January 22, 2013, 02:07:14 PM
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Last Years draft based on production thus far
1. Irving
2. Faried
3. Vucevic
4. T. Thompson

Off the top of my head Kawhi Leonard and Klay Thompson are pretty big omissions on that list. From a prospect standpoint Valancunias seems to be a much better option.

Add Iman Shumpert to the list for sure too.

To me, Thompson has Hakim Warrick written all over him. A guy that can put up numbers without making any kind of real impact on the game.
Based on production thus far Shumpert and Leonard belong no where near that list.  Klay certainly could be there and he is a pretty nice scorer/shooter thus far.  He doesn't do much else aside from shoot though.

Leonard's stats aren't flashy, but he looks like a great piece down the road for SA.
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Post by: j804 on January 22, 2013, 02:13:50 PM
Clearly Memphis needs to go sign Kenyon Martin  :D.

West, TA, K Mart, Z Bo. LOL that locker room is reality TV.
I could see them blasting music and flexing pregame, TA probably crip walking rofl
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Who on January 22, 2013, 02:17:44 PM
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Last Years draft based on production thus far
1. Irving
2. Faried
3. Vucevic
4. T. Thompson

Off the top of my head Kawhi Leonard and Klay Thompson are pretty big omissions on that list. From a prospect standpoint Valancunias seems to be a much better option.

Add Iman Shumpert to the list for sure too.

To me, Thompson has Hakim Warrick written all over him. A guy that can put up numbers without making any kind of real impact on the game.
Based on production thus far Shumpert and Leonard belong no where near that list.  Klay certainly could be there and he is a pretty nice scorer/shooter thus far.  He doesn't do much else aside from shoot though.

Leonard's stats aren't flashy, but he looks like a great piece down the road for SA.

Yeah, Kawhi Leonard is a very good player. I can't remember whether I had him just inside or just outside the top ten SFs in the league when I was last ranking players.

Very good player. Strong defender and possession creator with a legitimate three ball offensively in addition to his athletic finishes around the basket and in trnasition. Kawhi adds a lot of value to a team.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Who on January 22, 2013, 02:19:19 PM
Clearly Memphis needs to go sign Kenyon Martin
Great idea. They should sign K-Mart.

Gives them a great insurance policy against the injury prone Darrell Arthur. They'll be hard pressed to find anyone else with nearly as much quality as Kenyon Marin on a minimum contract.
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Post by: Who on January 22, 2013, 02:24:31 PM
Interesting.

I didnt like it for the Grizz at first but if those signings are actually true then its not bad. They are still soooo thing up front however.  They save about 6 mil in cap and wont have to trade Gay or Randolph. Keepign that lineup intact was the smartest move to make. Thin bench, especially up front.

Conley/West
Allen/Walker/Vujacic
Gay/Pondexter
Randolph/Arthur
Gasol/Haddadi

They have Jerryd Bayless too. A Bayless + Delonte backcourt is a good reserve backcourt. I think Delonte will be great with the Grizzlies power game through the post. His spot-up shooting and dribble penetration will be a really nice weapon for Memphis.

Pity the Vujacic signing isn't happneing. I'd like to see him back in the NBA.
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Post by: Fafnir on January 22, 2013, 02:40:37 PM
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Last Years draft based on production thus far
1. Irving
2. Faried
3. Vucevic
4. T. Thompson

Off the top of my head Kawhi Leonard and Klay Thompson are pretty big omissions on that list. From a prospect standpoint Valancunias seems to be a much better option.

Add Iman Shumpert to the list for sure too.

To me, Thompson has Hakim Warrick written all over him. A guy that can put up numbers without making any kind of real impact on the game.
Based on production thus far Shumpert and Leonard belong no where near that list.  Klay certainly could be there and he is a pretty nice scorer/shooter thus far.  He doesn't do much else aside from shoot though.

Leonard's stats aren't flashy, but he looks like a great piece down the road for SA.

Yeah, Kawhi Leonard is a very good player. I can't remember whether I had him just inside or just outside the top ten SFs in the league when I was last ranking players.

Very good player. Strong defender and possession creator with a legitimate three ball offensively in addition to his athletic finishes around the basket and in trnasition. Kawhi adds a lot of value to a team.
Basically the SF version of what Bradley provided last year, with a larger sample size to back it up.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Birdman on January 22, 2013, 03:32:14 PM
Yes, had alot of ppl laugh at me when i said Faried should be a top 5 pick..I got that one right!!!
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Fafnir on January 22, 2013, 03:53:39 PM
Yes, had alot of ppl laugh at me when i said Faried should be a top 5 pick..I got that one right!!!
Still don't see him as a top 5 pick.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 22, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
Interesting.

I didnt like it for the Grizz at first but if those signings are actually true then its not bad. They are still soooo thing up front however.  They save about 6 mil in cap and wont have to trade Gay or Randolph. Keepign that lineup intact was the smartest move to make. Thin bench, especially up front.

Conley/West
Allen/Walker/Vujacic
Gay/Pondexter
Randolph/Arthur
Gasol/Haddadi

They have Jerryd Bayless too. A Bayless + Delonte backcourt is a good reserve backcourt. I think Delonte will be great with the Grizzlies power game through the post. His spot-up shooting and dribble penetration will be a really nice weapon for Memphis.

Pity the Vujacic signing isn't happneing. I'd like to see him back in the NBA.

Yeah good call. I was getting Ellington confused with Bayless.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: ManUp on January 22, 2013, 06:05:34 PM
Why couldn't we get in on Speights? He's got size is a decent rebounder and can score a little. Sure the defense needs work, but he's on the cheap and relatively young.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Birdman on January 22, 2013, 06:09:46 PM
Why couldn't we get in on Speights? He's got size is a decent rebounder and can score a little. Sure the defense needs work, but he's on the cheap and relatively young.
I thought same thing
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Post by: fairweatherfan on January 22, 2013, 06:11:15 PM
Why couldn't we get in on Speights? He's got size is a decent rebounder and can score a little. Sure the defense needs work, but he's on the cheap and relatively young.
I thought same thing

Cavs probably want him to take up some of Varejao's minutes.  Doubt they're in a hurry to move him.  Plus I think he may not be able to be traded for awhile since he was in a multiplayer deal.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Lucky17 on January 22, 2013, 06:12:11 PM
Why couldn't we get in on Speights? He's got size is a decent rebounder and can score a little. Sure the defense needs work, but he's on the cheap and relatively young.
I thought same thing

Cavs probably want him to take up some of Varejao's minutes.  Doubt they're in a hurry to move him.  Plus I think he may not be able to be traded for awhile since he was in a multiplayer deal.

He could be re-routed, as long as he's the only player Cavs are sending out.
Title: Re: Memphis makes trade to get under the tax.....
Post by: Who on January 22, 2013, 06:18:23 PM
Why couldn't we get in on Speights? He's got size is a decent rebounder and can score a little. Sure the defense needs work, but he's on the cheap and relatively young.
I thought same thing
I don't see any role here for Speights to fill.

I prefer Bass and Sullinger to Speights at the power forward position and I would rather concentrate on finding someone who can play defense at the backup five behind Garnett.

$4 million a year. Danny would have to give up somebody earning a similar amount to make the salaries work. Someone who would be more valuable to the team than Speights would be.