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Title: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: diconzo on January 20, 2013, 11:04:53 PM
EDIT: I meant to post this in Trade Rumors, sorry for my mistake.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1493135-george-karl-on-javale-mcgee-lazy-and-crazy-wont-work-in-the-nba (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1493135-george-karl-on-javale-mcgee-lazy-and-crazy-wont-work-in-the-nba)

He isn't clicking in Denver and I'm guessing he won't make George Karl's rotation again this season. Salary wise, we could "technically" give up Bass, Melo & a min contract to absorb McGee's deal (According to Trade Machine & Trade Checker. I'm not 100% on all the details about the cap & luxury tax so correct me if that's wrong). But I'm guessing Denver wants more. They have no use for Lee, Sullinger, Green, or Terry. His attitude sounds like one that hasn't met KG yet. We always say KG's attitude and demeanor could turn garbage heap big man into successful role players, so why couldn't he turn a talented, young knucklehead into a starting caliber C. If we dealt for McGee, it would likely have to be a 3 team deal, unless we wanted to give up a lot of picks.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on January 20, 2013, 11:08:31 PM
Dont know if i want him.. Crazy athletic but seriously no head for the game what so ever and just looked at his stats.. 4 rebounds a game?! He is 7foot with amazing jumping ability.. No thanks.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: jambr380 on January 20, 2013, 11:11:49 PM
What is his value? Bass and Melo for McGee seems like a pretty fair trade for both parties. They get the pf they need and a very viable big man prospect and we get our starting center with a potential to get better. I am sure others are saying he is out of reach and Denver would never entertain such a deal, but he isn't even really playing anymore. He is no Demarcus in terms of value.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 20, 2013, 11:13:19 PM
It doesnt say anywhere that he might be available...

With that being said, I'd offer Bass and a first rounder. Nothing more.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 11:14:16 PM
I don't think he's a fit here.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: diconzo on January 20, 2013, 11:18:05 PM
It doesnt say anywhere that he might be available...

With that being said, I'd offer Bass and a first rounder. Nothing more.

I only inferred myself that he would be available. Doesn't seem likely for a GM to keep a $10M a year player who has been exiled from the head coach's rotation.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: Kane3387 on January 20, 2013, 11:20:08 PM
After docs rant I don't think he's what we're looking for.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: PhoSita on January 20, 2013, 11:21:02 PM
I find it interesting that people are willing to float trade ideas for bigs who have no basketball IQ and who have been called lazy -- McGee -- yet they balk at the idea of trading for somebody who has some trouble containing their temper because they care about winning and their team sucks -- Cousins.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: indeedproceed on January 20, 2013, 11:24:02 PM
First, bleacher report sucks.

Second, really wish we could have a shot at helping him mature, but at his contact, and our pieces, and their needs, I don't see a fit or a trade.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: jambr380 on January 20, 2013, 11:26:34 PM
First, bleacher report sucks.

Second, really wish we could have a shot at helping him mature, but at his contact, and our pieces, and their needs, I don't see a fit or a trade.

I actually see his contract as an advantage. Teams aren't going to be knocking down Denver's door to get him and we have some larger contracts to send out, possibly in a 3-way. Ideally, it would include Bass/Terry, but Green works straight up.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 20, 2013, 11:31:45 PM
It doesnt say anywhere that he might be available...

With that being said, I'd offer Bass and a first rounder. Nothing more.

I only inferred myself that he would be available. Doesn't seem likely for a GM to keep a $10M a year player who has been exiled from the head coach's rotation.

I would see where you're coming from but McGee is still in Karl's rotation playing almost 20 minutes a game. He averages 19 minutes per game this year and 19 throughout January and has played in every game this year. Their starting center only plays about 5 more minutes a game then McGee...So I don't know where the exile from the rotation idea comes from.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: wdleehi on January 21, 2013, 03:26:25 PM
So it took less then a year for Denver to be tired of him? 





Lets rush and get that overpayed C just because he has athletic gifts and a lack of a clue on how to play the game. 
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: Birdman on January 21, 2013, 03:39:35 PM
dont think he has a high IQ
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: CFAN38 on January 21, 2013, 03:41:16 PM
He would last 5 min at a celtics practice KG would want to kill him. No thanks
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: Who on January 21, 2013, 03:46:07 PM
I'd be happy to take a chance on McGee.

I think having Garnett alongside him would help him tremendously. Unlike in Washington or Denver where his teams have lacked a communicator defensively to help show him the way.

I think McGee would be quite successful here in Boston (largely due to Garnett).
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: wdleehi on January 21, 2013, 03:53:09 PM
I'd be happy to take a chance on McGee.

I think having Garnett alongside him would help him tremendously. Unlike in Washington or Denver where his teams have lacked a communicator defensively to help show him the way.

I think McGee would be quite successful here in Boston (largely due to Garnett).



I don't buy it for a moment. 



But even if KG could work the miracle, do we really think it will happen in less then a single season?
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: Accension13 on January 21, 2013, 04:06:53 PM
Though he is a bit of a knuckle head, I have always wanted the c's to get McGee. Right now, I would list him right after cousins as the best big man they could potentially get.

My list would be:
1. Cousins
2. McGee
3. Gortat
4. Milsap
5. Smith

I could go either way on Millsap and Smith
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: Who on January 21, 2013, 04:53:06 PM
I'd be happy to take a chance on McGee.

I think having Garnett alongside him would help him tremendously. Unlike in Washington or Denver where his teams have lacked a communicator defensively to help show him the way.

I think McGee would be quite successful here in Boston (largely due to Garnett).



I don't buy it for a moment. 



But even if KG could work the miracle, do we really think it will happen in less then a single season?

There is no miracle. There is no need for one.

On this Boston team, McGee is not the defensive anchor. Kevin Garnett is. McGee is just the equivalent of Brandon Bass or Jared Sullinger only he can make plays defensively from a physical standpoint that Bass and Sully can only dream of. McGee is just an upgraded version of what they supply. Someone who's added length can give Boston a second shot-blocker alongside KG.

And offensively, McGee is the 4th or 5th option on the floor. A player who will be asked to run the floor, attack offensive rebounds, play some pick and roll and cut to the rim off the ball. With a passer of Rondo's quality + a finisher and athlete of McGee's quality, McGee can be a productive player for Boston there too.

As a rebounder, McGee will give the Celtics a very strong rebounder. Right up there with Sullinger for the best rebounder on the team tag.

This is a useful basketball player. An incomplete one, yes, but not a waste of space. He has useful skill-set and on a team like Boston with a defensive anchor like Garnett and a playmaker like Rondo, JaVale McGee can be a very productive piece as the 4th or 5th option. 
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: wdleehi on January 21, 2013, 04:54:55 PM
I'd be happy to take a chance on McGee.

I think having Garnett alongside him would help him tremendously. Unlike in Washington or Denver where his teams have lacked a communicator defensively to help show him the way.

I think McGee would be quite successful here in Boston (largely due to Garnett).



I don't buy it for a moment. 



But even if KG could work the miracle, do we really think it will happen in less then a single season?

There is no miracle. There is no need for one.

On this Boston team, McGee is not the defensive anchor. Kevin Garnett is. McGee is just the equivalent of Brandon Bass or Jared Sullinger only he can make plays defensively from a physical standpoint that Bass and Sully can only dream of. McGee is just an upgraded version of what they supply. Someone who's added length can give Boston a second shot-blocker alongside KG.

And offensively, McGee is the 4th or 5th option on the floor. A player who will be asked to run the floor, attack offensive rebounds, play some pick and roll and cut to the rim off the ball. With a passer of Rondo's quality + a finisher and athlete of McGee's quality, McGee can be a productive player for Boston there too.

As a rebounder, McGee will give the Celtics a very strong rebounder. Right up there with Sullinger for the best rebounder on the team tag.

This is a useful basketball player. An incomplete one, yes, but not a waste of space. He has useful skill-set and on a team like Boston with a defensive anchor like Garnett and a playmaker like Rondo, JaVale McGee can be a very productive piece as the 4th or 5th option.


I don't see the point.  His team is better offensively and defensively when he is off the floor. 


He doesn't show any understanding of the game.


At best, he is a project that hasn't progressed in a few seasons. 
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: moiso on January 21, 2013, 06:11:05 PM
I would have been a little more excited about McGee during the offseason.  He really hasn't progressed.  Plus he has an asthma issue that supposedly limits his minutes.  I'd much prefer the solid and consistent Gortat.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 21, 2013, 07:12:35 PM
Pass, dumb player with no basketball IQ.   He is a low post Gerald Green.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: greg683x on January 21, 2013, 07:24:16 PM
this animated gif pretty much sums up my opinion of the guy

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/938181/McGee_Runs_Away.gif)
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: crownontherocks on January 22, 2013, 02:52:56 PM
Coach George Karl recently said he'd "like" to get JaVale McGee to be a 25-minute per-game player.
McGee's playing time has actually been decreasing lately, not increasing. Over his last seven games, he's getting just 17.1 minutes a night. "He's got to understand that lazy and crazy isn't going to make it work," Karl said. "We want solid and we want fundamental, and we want spectacular but only when it happens, not forcing the action where sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't." McGee still has a little fantasy value thanks to his 1.9 blocks per game, but owners expecting a sudden bump in playing time have another thing coming. He doesn't sound close to that 25-minute goal Karl has set -- especially with Kosta Koufos continuing to play well.

Source: Denver Post Jan 22 - 2:40 PM
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: Fafnir on January 22, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Faried/McGee are both pretty clueless on defense. Since one is on a rookie deal it makes sense they'd try and trade McGee.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: StartOrien on January 22, 2013, 03:03:33 PM
I don't think they move him, at least for so little. I'm not a McGee guy by any means, but I'd rather roll the dice on his potential than take in complimentary pieces like Bass.

Besides that, I think Garnett would destroy McGee mentally. The kid seems to be pretty fragile, and while I think in most cases working with KG would be a plus, for McGee I think it would outright ruin him.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: Who on January 22, 2013, 03:19:08 PM
Coach George Karl recently said he'd "like" to get JaVale McGee to be a 25-minute per-game player.
McGee's playing time has actually been decreasing lately, not increasing. Over his last seven games, he's getting just 17.1 minutes a night. "He's got to understand that lazy and crazy isn't going to make it work," Karl said. "We want solid and we want fundamental, and we want spectacular but only when it happens, not forcing the action where sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't." McGee still has a little fantasy value thanks to his 1.9 blocks per game, but owners expecting a sudden bump in playing time have another thing coming. He doesn't sound close to that 25-minute goal Karl has set -- especially with Kosta Koufos continuing to play well.

Source: Denver Post Jan 22 - 2:40 PM

Lazy and crazy is a fantastic description from a coach about his player. Very funny.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: scaryjerry on January 22, 2013, 03:38:42 PM
not a guy I see doc even playing
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 23, 2013, 11:54:23 AM
McGee is a great project for the Nuggets and he is one of the best players they have, under limited minutes.

A very good and talented player that will likely be more than Nene one day. He's what we hope Melo can be, talent-wise.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: wdleehi on January 23, 2013, 12:20:40 PM
McGee is a great project for the Nuggets and he is one of the best players they have, under limited minutes.

A very good and talented player that will likely be more than Nene one day. He's what we hope Melo can be, talent-wise.


He is the same player he was a few seasons ago.





At some point, potential becomes waste for certain players. 
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: CelticG1 on January 23, 2013, 12:32:57 PM
McGee is a great project for the Nuggets and he is one of the best players they have, under limited minutes.

A very good and talented player that will likely be more than Nene one day. He's what we hope Melo can be, talent-wise.


He is the same player he was a few seasons ago.





At some point, potential becomes waste for certain players.

What do you think about a guy like Tyson Chandler?

His potential didn't go to waste and its paid off
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: CelticConcourse on January 23, 2013, 12:49:13 PM
McGee is a great project for the Nuggets and he is one of the best players they have, under limited minutes.

A very good and talented player that will likely be more than Nene one day. He's what we hope Melo can be, talent-wise.


He is the same player he was a few seasons ago.





At some point, potential becomes waste for certain players.

Read some current news on McGee. He, like many others, was stuck in the hopeless situation that is known as the Washington Wizards. He's one of the most athletic players in the league and is learning under the tutelage of others in Denver, where George Karl puts trust in him, in limited minutes.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: snively on January 23, 2013, 01:03:49 PM
When Doc dons his war paint to demand consistency, I don't think he'll be looking to add Javale McGee.
Title: Re: Javale McGee could be available
Post by: wdleehi on January 23, 2013, 01:06:06 PM
McGee is a great project for the Nuggets and he is one of the best players they have, under limited minutes.

A very good and talented player that will likely be more than Nene one day. He's what we hope Melo can be, talent-wise.


He is the same player he was a few seasons ago.





At some point, potential becomes waste for certain players.

Read some current news on McGee. He, like many others, was stuck in the hopeless situation that is known as the Washington Wizards. He's one of the most athletic players in the league and is learning under the tutelage of others in Denver, where George Karl puts trust in him, in limited minutes.


As someone else already posted.

Quote
"He's got to understand that lazy and crazy isn't going to make it work," Karl said. "We want solid and we want fundamental, and we want spectacular but only when it happens, not forcing the action where sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't."



And his minutes are shrinking the more time he is in Denver.