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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: gpap on January 20, 2013, 10:50:41 PM
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Two teams, rich in history that are underachieving so badly it's not even funny.
I say make this trade tomorrow and see what happens
What's the worse that happens?
You can't tell me the Celtics are better off sticking with what they have. At least if you had Nash and Gasol with PP and KG, you go out in a blaze of glory.
I agree with some that Rondo is not the guy, and if we can get something for him now, do it! Not to mention, even at 39, Nash would fit better with KG/Pierce and I've ALWAYS felt that KG and Gasol together would be a nightmare for other teams. But, what do I know ???
It's either this, or deal KG/Paul and go with another "youth movement" with Rondo as your new captain.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bjlzz5n
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Two teams, rich in history that are underachieving so badly it's not even funny.
I say make this trade tomorrow and see what happens
What's the worse that happens?
You can't tell me the Celtics are better off sticking with what they have. At least if you had Nash and Gasol with PP and KG, you go out in a blaze of glory.
I agree with some that Rondo is not the guy, and if we can get something for him now, do it! Not to mention, even at 39, Nash would fit better with KG/Pierce and I've ALWAYS felt that KG and Gasol together would be a nightmare for other teams. But, what do I know ???
It's either this, or deal KG/Paul and go with another "youth movement" with Rondo as your new captain.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bjlzz5n
No. If we're going to trade, it should be o start over, not get older.
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Fair enough. Then deal Pierce and KG to a competing team and get some decent young pieces back.
BUT (call me crazy) I think a starting five of Nash, Bradley, Pierce, KG and Gasol has got a chance!
Oh by the way, then I trade Terry and Lee. More on that, later.
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Doesn't make sense for the Celtics.
I'm okay with it if you take Nash and Rondo out of the trade.
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Doesn't make sense for the Celtics.
I'm okay with it if you take Nash and Rondo out of the trade.
Well the logic is that I think Nash fits better with KG and Pierce than Rondo. No? I know it makes the Celtics even older, but whatever we have now is not working.
You could simply deal Green, Bass and filler for Gasol but I think an even deeper move needs to be made.
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Doesn't make sense for the Celtics.
I'm okay with it if you take Nash and Rondo out of the trade.
Well the logic is that I think Nash fits better with KG and Pierce than Rondo. No? I know it makes the Celtics even older, but whatever we have now is not working.
You could simply deal Green, Bass and filler for Gasol but I think an even deeper move needs to be made.
Well, I just don't think it's enough of a home run to be worth trading Rondo. If you trade Rondo, either you're getting back the pieces to be a top contender right now, or you're getting some pieces you can use for the future.
A relatively small upgrade, or in this instance a CHANCE at a small upgrade, is not worth it.
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Doesn't make sense for the Celtics.
I'm okay with it if you take Nash and Rondo out of the trade.
Well the logic is that I think Nash fits better with KG and Pierce than Rondo. No? I know it makes the Celtics even older, but whatever we have now is not working.
You could simply deal Green, Bass and filler for Gasol but I think an even deeper move needs to be made.
Well, I just don't think it's enough of a home run to be worth trading Rondo. If you trade Rondo, either you're getting back the pieces to be a top contender right now, or you're getting some pieces you can use for the future.
A relatively small upgrade, or in this instance a CHANCE at a small upgrade, is not worth it.
Fair enough. As you can tell, this would clearly be a trade to try to help the Celtics for now
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100% pass for me. Gasol and Nash haven't looked great this year, and I really don't want to ship out our best player, best trade asset for two past their peak guys who are underachieving.
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On second thought, I'll even take this one step further
and say goodbye to Terry while I am at it. Signing him was a HUGE mistake.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bes6mu4
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Fair enough. Then deal Pierce and KG to a competing team and get some decent young pieces back.
BUT (call me crazy) I think a starting five of Nash, Bradley, Pierce, KG and Gasol has got a chance!
Oh by the way, then I trade Terry and Lee. More on that, later.
kg has a no trade clause.
The Lakers are 17 - 23 because they are too old and have no depth. Gasol hasnt been playing well and Rondo is better than Nash.
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Yuck don't want anything really from the lakers unless it Gasol on a favored deal for us. Don't wanna see Rondo Pierce anyone over there.
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I want a trade, but this is a trade I would never make
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I like the premise of this trade. It's been on the forums a while now but I don't see why a rehash would hurt.
I personally think the only reason we should dump $30M into Gasol is to compete otherwise it's a colossal waste of money. To that point I don't think this team contends without Rondo. I'd make a trade where we swap Pierce for Gasol or I'd make a trade where we deal Green/Bass/Lee for Gasol/Clark/Ebanks. Those are the only trades with LAL I'm interested in right now.
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I got a better idea :
Green, Bass , Melo and a 1st rd pick for Dwight and Jamison?
The current lineups for both teams clearly don't mesh well .. Dwight will most probably not resign with the Lakers so might as well trade him.. Green would flourish in an uptempo team especially with Nash, while Melo has tons of potential that will only be wasted by Doc..
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Pierce and Bass for Gasol and Clark. I wouldn't do it myself, but the trade works. BOS get height, LAL get a huge upgrade at the SF and a mid-range PF. Gasol doesn't fit there with DH.
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I got a better idea :
Green, Bass , Melo and a 1st rd pick for Dwight and Jamison?
The current lineups for both teams clearly don't mesh well .. Dwight will most probably not resign with the Lakers so might as well trade him.. Green would flourish in an uptempo team especially with Nash, while Melo has tons of potential that will only be wasted by Doc..
I am 100% sure that this trade is one I would include a kidney in if it would make it go through. I am also 100% sure the Rodney King riots would seem like an innocent kerfuffle next to the response that you'd see from Laker fans. Dogs and cats, living together, MASS HYSTERIA!!
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I got a better idea :
Green, Bass , Melo and a 1st rd pick for Dwight and Jamison?
The current lineups for both teams clearly don't mesh well .. Dwight will most probably not resign with the Lakers so might as well trade him.. Green would flourish in an uptempo team especially with Nash, while Melo has tons of potential that will only be wasted by Doc..
Yeah, there's no way the Lakers agree to this.
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horrible trade. At this stage of their careers, Rondo alone is worth more than Nash and Gasol together. also, getting those 2 will make our currently-poor D look even worse. we lose depth too.
This trade gets the Lakers back into the playoffs and could knock the C's out of the playoffs.
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This would be a fun trade if you didn't have to worry about any repercussions.
It would be the definition of rolling the dice and if it didn't work out danny would be fired on the spot for making such a hostile risky trade.
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I'd still offer the Green, Bass, and Terry/Lee for Gasol and Ebanks trade idea that has been around for the whole season. Maybe L.A. would be more inclined to do it at this point given their struggles and Gasol's bum knee.
Boston would free up a lot of money more quickly and gets the legit PF/C to pair with KG that it desperately needs.
PG - Rondo, Barbosa
SG - Bradley, Terry/Lee
SF - Pierce, Ebanks
Bigs - Gasol, Garnett, Sullinger, Wilcox, Collins
Boston could probably use a better back-up SF than Ebanks, but I'd rather be looking for one of those than a legit big man, and by bringing in Gasol, Boston will actually have a lot more financial flexibility a summer earlier (which will be huge in trying to turn the team around).
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Why the hell would the Celtics make that trade? Those guys are over the hill, ancient is a better word.
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No no no no no no no no no, I'm not trading young players to help this team "contend" for a title. They just don't have it in them.
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Another idea is dealing Pierce and KG for Dwight and Artest
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Another idea is dealing Pierce and KG for Dwight and Artest
Lakers don't make that trade I don't think. Howard is a franchise player and trading him for fading HoF players isn't a very smart move.
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Click the link.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=anv897r
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Coach Mike D'Antoni announced Monday night that Pau Gasol, a former All-Star and two-time NBA champion with the Lakers, has been benched, effective immediately, for forward Earl Clark.
The move is considered permanent.
This is not good for anyone. Gasol has bristled at coming off the bench the entire season, even after returning from a concussion, and is unlikely to take this well. Gasol, in the select games he has been healthy enough to play this season, has been inconsistent and lacked focus. Well, more than the rest of the Lakers, I mean.
D'Antoni said his desire is to play small, where he feels the Lakers "play better." Clark has been impressive in his granted minutes.
But this is going to create even more tension, and you have to believe this accelerates the possibility of a Gasol trade. The drama in L.A. continues. The Lakers play the Bulls in Chicago Monday night.
He also said that Gasol and Howard don't play well together on either end of the floor. That said, a Boston-LA deal does make sense.
Boston-
Gasol
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Bass (gives them good spacing and he played with Howard in Orlando)
Terry (gives them scoring off the bench)
Green (would probably thrive in D'Antoni's uptempo system and could see a good amount of minutes at the 4, with Howard protecting him defensively)
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
So Boston gives up depth, which they have a lot of, for their big man need. LA gives up an expendable player, who will probably be relegated to sub 20 mpg, for the depth they sorely lack and players that look to fit well in D'Antoni's system.
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i doubt the fakers want guys with big contracts in 2014-15, think they'll push for pierce in any deal and would want sully. 2014-15 kobe contract is up and la queen is a free agent, look for lakers not to use up cap space in that year, unless it's for a star like howard. I doubt the fakers will therefore touch green or bass contract, they might be open to taking one of terry or lee, i can't see them taking multiples of green, bass, lee or terry. If they do i wouldn't be upset, i just doubt it
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i doubt the fakers want guys with big contracts in 2014-15, think they'll push for pierce in any deal and would want sully. 2014-15 kobe contract is up and la queen is a free agent, look for lakers not to use up cap space in that year, unless it's for a star like howard. I doubt the fakers will therefore touch green or bass contract, they might be open to taking one of terry or lee, i can't see them taking multiples of green, bass, lee or terry. If they do i wouldn't be upset, i just doubt it
That could be a factor, but remember that LA is in "win now" mode. Saving cap space for 2014 doesn't seem feasible unless they think wasting the last couple of years of Kobe's career is worth the opportunity, and only an opportunity when you consider how many teams have used the same approach and stuck out during free agency, of signing a star player or two.
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Agree and I'd probably rather keep Lee than Terry but I'm almost sure the Lakers want to get younger on the wing. I would laugh pretty hard if I saw a Laker playing with the Celtic's logo on his arm...holding an NBA Champ Trophy no less. That might be worth the trade by itself!
For the record I'm 100% in the get Gasol boat. I'd even move to get Stoudemire if they threw in Shumpert.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a77762c
or
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bal58m6
I'd do either of those. This is all under the heading of competing now and getting better now. Not sure NYK would want to make their divisional rival stronger but getting out of Stoudemire's contract is a HUGE incentive.
i doubt the fakers want guys with big contracts in 2014-15, think they'll push for pierce in any deal and would want sully. 2014-15 kobe contract is up and la queen is a free agent, look for lakers not to use up cap space in that year, unless it's for a star like howard. I doubt the fakers will therefore touch green or bass contract, they might be open to taking one of terry or lee, i can't see them taking multiples of green, bass, lee or terry. If they do i wouldn't be upset, i just doubt it
Yeah I'm not sure how much they can dictate when they are limiting Gasol's role and the offers for him have virtually fallen off a cliff. I don't think they'd want 3-4 year contracts up I'm also not sure they can get expirings and young talent for Gasol. I might be wrong. I remember the offers for him being pretty strong last year around this time and in the off season. If Gasol's value is low we should buy low. He's got 3 more good NBA years in my opinion.